with the trending news of TB joshua's 'miscalculation' of the US election, how do we classify him? is he called of God? will God mislead his prophet?

A false prophet is a false prophet.
Let's call a spade a spade.
Joshua is fake. Period.

I feel that there are two types of prophets: false prophets, and those that are yet to be exposed as false prophets. There are no true prophets.

JBUZZ:
A false prophet is a false prophet.
Let's call a spade a spade.
Joshua is fake. Period.

Why do you think he's fake?

Deuteronomy 18:22 When a prophet speaketh in the name of the LORD, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that is the thing which the LORD hath not spoken, but the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously: thou shalt not be afraid of him.

Please seun let theist speak first about what they think as religious people before you put your atheist facts cause the question seems somewhat directed to theist.

Though I believe in the supernatural but God revealing something so inconsequential like the U.S election feels dumb cause they are many things that is to be revealed by him like earthquake,tsunami,flood and the likes so that His people will not perish.

And as for false prophets its hard to know except dumb one's "permit me to say" who don't know their games like this recent prophet releasing prophecies about an election of roughly the most corrupt and immoral country in the world is just pathetic!!!

Any pastor who has more money than an average hard working citizen

Seun:
I feel that there are two types of prophets: false prophets, and those that are yet to be exposed as false prophets. There are no true prophets.

Matthew 24:24

"For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect."

I've always doubt Tb joshua since my secondary school days, so i'm not surprise if he turns out to be a denomic prophet sent from the kingdom of darkness to deceive the elects of God

Seun:
I feel that there are two types of prophets: false prophets, and those that are yet to be exposed as false prophets. There are no true prophets.

Thanks for acting. I'm grateful

Matthew 24:5-14

5. For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.
6. And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.
7. For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and
earthquakes, in divers places.
8. All these are the beginning of sorrows. 9. Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake.
10. And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another.
11. And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.
12. And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.
13. But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.
14. And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.

Seun:
I feel that there are two types of prophets: false prophets, and those that are yet to be exposed as false prophets. There are no true prophets.

I keep telling you sir, when you see a geniue prophet of God, you'll believe in christ and his Kingdom. Sir if you can attend the RCCG DECEMBER HOLYGHOST CONGRESS you'll believe in God by the time you start experiencing the power and presence of God there.

The fact that you prayed or predicted something and it didn't come to pass does not make you a false prophet.

Seun:
I feel that there are two types of prophets: false prophets, and those that are yet to be exposed as false prophets. There are no true prophets.

Another illogical viewpoint. How can you have a false without a "true"?


Who are the co-ignoramus that liked and shared this viewpoint?

Acidosis:
Another illogical viewpoint. How can you have a false without a "true"?

Here is a fake fire-breathing dragon. Where can I find a real fire-breathing dragon?

Seun:

Here is a fake fire-breathing dragon. Where can I find a real fire-breathing dragon?

That's s a cartoon (caricature), not a dragon.

Acidosis:

That's s a cartoon (caricature), not a dragon.

Here's a fake superman. Where's the real superman?

I think I've derailed the thread unintentionally, though. The OP wants a biblical answer. Here's one:

“But you may wonder, ‘How will we know whether or not a prophecy is from the Lord?’ If the prophet speaks in the Lord’s name but his prediction does not happen or come true, you will know that the Lord did not give that message. That prophet has spoken without my authority and need not be feared. - Deut 18:21-22

Seun:

Here is a fake fire-breathing dragon. Where can I find a real fire-breathing dragon?

kikiki Lol your statement and picture does not correlate with the said topic, so it a ''No point''

The days of Fire breathing Dragons had evolved with the ages of the Dinosuars, you preach Evolution so i believe you understand my point without much to be said, now ''Prophets'' is not an animal or thing that can easily evolve, its more of a gift or profession in humans, and as long as the human races continues there would definitely be gifted ones among us, and yes false ones too.

You believe in science and technology, now your point is more of saying because some scientist said there would be Hover technology by 2015, which was even credited with the movie (Back To The Future) and till now we still don't have a successful one yet means that they are false scientists, and just because i can upload a picture of one of such technology and ask you to provide a real one dosen't mean they can or will never exist,, or that they have created a technology e.g a flying car, which has no credited prove yet means they are false and so there are no more scientise on earth because some are false .

You follow up point and Bible quote was on point, though.

shumuel:


kikiki Lol your statement and picture does not correlate with the said topic, so it a ''No point''

The days of Fire breathing Dragons had evolved with the ages of the Dinosuars, you preach Evolution so i believe you understand my point without much to be said, now ''Prophets'' is not an animal or thing that can easily evolve, its more of a gift or profession in humans, and as long as the human races continues there would definitely be gifted ones among us, and yes false ones too.

You believe in science and technology, now your point is more of saying because some scientist said there would be Hover technology by 2015, which was even credited with the movie (Back To The Future) and till now we still don't have a successful one yet means that they are false scientists, and just because i can upload a picture of one of such technology and ask you to provide a real one dosen't mean they can or will never exist,, or that they have created a technology e.g a flying car, which has no credited prove yet means they are false and so there are no more scientise on earth because some are false .

You follow up point and Bible quote was on point, though.

"Back to the future" movie is a work of fiction and does not claim to prophesy what the future holds.

BTW fire-breathing dragons never existed. I think @seun's point was that prophets and prophecies are fake because no one can actually see the future!

ujiriukiri:


"Back to the future" movie is a work of fiction and does not claim to prophecy what the future holds.

BTW fire-breathing dragons never existed. I think @seun's point was that prophets and prophecies are fake because no one can actually see the future!

That notion is pathetic... Through ordinary/mere dreams, people see the future.

Maybe atheists don't dream. I could remember the night I wrote my JAMB exam over 10 years ago. I dreamt about my score. When the results were released, I found exact score on my printout. Please don't tell me my subconscious escaped to JAMB office over the night


I still don't understand why people would assume life is all about the physical (what you can see/touch physically).

The fact that no one can actually touch the human soul and mind shows our very existence is not founded upon the physical. Abi Atheists don't believe in soul and mind again??



If I find out that they do not believe in the above, I will never in my entire life engage any atheist in any rational discussion. That would be the most terrific thing that can happen to any normal human being.

If you believe in the soul/mind, can you touch it? Show me your soul?

If you can't show it, why believe in it? Why would you believe in the soul, and refuse to believe in spirits? spiritual power? supernatural powers?


I know where this discussion would end already --->> "subconscious"

ujiriukiri:


"Back to the future" movie is a work of fiction and does not claim to prophecy what the future holds.

BTW fire-breathing dragons never existed. I think @seun's point was that prophets and prophecies are fake because no one can actually see the future!

kikiki Lol you cleary know nothing, now let me tell you a lot you don't know, many Hollywood movies are credit to either a prophecy or of a technology.

Fire breathing dragons existed, just because they were used in movie fictions does not mean they don't, many animals are said would soon lose its existence e.g The Tiger and the Lion,, what if that happens and in 300 years later such animals are use in a movie fiction, am sure someone would also say they don't exist, just like we have of the dinosuars.

You cleary also never heard of ''Baba Vanga'', please google it now to be enlightened, her prophecies birthed a lot of movies in Hollywood.

Moreso, just because we have fake products does not mean the originals never existed, infact there can't be a counterfeit if there wasn't an original,, Prophets exist and in various ways too, and yes they do know and speak of the future,, a lot of scientist are prophets but prefare to be called scientist, some prefare to be called psychics or Astrologers others sheyman e.t.c.

I that speak am one and i do see the future but its not as simple as you think, a prophet sees only what God shows and tells, unfortunately many want to be over relevant so they speak the nonsense from their hearts which God had not told them, some its the devil playing tricks with them,,
Now with all authority i say PROPHETS exist because am still alive, except you want to believe am an Autoresponder

Acidosis:


That notion is pathetic... Through ordinary/mere dreams, people see the future.

Maybe atheists don't dream. I could remember the night I wrote my JAMB exam over 10 years ago. I dreamt about my score. When the results were released, I found exact score on my printout. Please don't tell me my subconscious escaped to JAMB office over the night


I still don't understand why people would assume life is all about the physical (what you can see/touch physically).

The fact that no one can actually touch the human soul and mind shows our very existence is not founded upon the physical. Abi Atheists don't believe in soul and mind again??



If I find out that they do not believe in the above, I will never in my entire life engage any atheist in any rational discussion. That would be the most terrific thing that can happen to any normal human being.

If you believe in the soul/mind, can you touch it? Show me your soul?

If you can't show it, why believe in it? Why would you believe in the soul, and refuse to believe in spirits? spiritual power? supernatural powers?


I know where this discussion would end already --->> "subconscious"

Lol i don't blame them its those Men of God that wont face what God had told them to do but would be looking for cheap publicity and favourism that i blame.

Have said countless times and i would also repeat it now

'' The day a Man of God deviate into politics is the day The God leaves the Man. ''

Acidosis:


Another illogical viewpoint. How can you have a false without a "true"?


Who are the co-ignoramus that liked and shared this viewpoint?

Thank you jare

Seun:

Here is a fake fire-breathing dragon. Where can I find a real fire-breathing dragon?

Funny! Please, just tell me You aren't serious ooo.

How do you know something is false, if you have no idea of the real one already?

The word 'false' doesn't exist on its own. It depends on the word 'real'.

For you to say something is fake or false, it means you know there's an 'original' or a 'real' one already.

Simple logic.

Acidosis:


Another illogical viewpoint. How can you have a false without a "true"?

Thank you for that.

Acidosis:


That's s a cartoon (caricature), not a dragon.

I Can't laugh enough.

But must you remind Seun that?

Seun:
Here's a fake superman. Where's the real superman?

I think I've derailed the thread unintentionally, though. The OP wants a biblical answer. Here's one:

We all know the real superman is clark

I Can't believe you've also given a biblical answer. OP mark that.

shumuel:


Have said countless times and i would also repeat it now

'' The day a Man of God deviate into politics is the day The God leaves the Man. ''

That's deep!

bennyann:


That's deep!

Had to let it out, i feel so ashamed most times when i see the ways these so called ''Me of God'' we so much respect stoop so low, all for fame and gain.

shumuel:



kikiki Lol you cleary know nothing, now let me tell you a lot you don't know, many Hollywood movies are credit to either a prophecy or of a technology.

Fire breathing dragons existed, just because they were used in movie fictions does not mean they don't, many animals are said would soon lose its existence e.g The Tiger and the Lion,, what if that happens and in 300 years later such animals are use in a movie fiction, am sure someone would also say they don't exist, just like we have of the dinosuars.

You cleary also never heard of ''Baba Vanga'', please google it now to be enlightened, her prophecies birthed a lot of movies in Hollywood.

Moreso, just because we have fake products does not mean the originals never existed, infact there can't be a counterfeit if there wasn't an original,, Prophets exist and in various ways too, and yes they do know and speak of the future,, a lot of scientist are prophets but prefare to be called scientist, some prefare to be called psychics or Astrologers others sheyman e.t.c.

I that speak am one and i do see the future but its not as simple as you think, a prophet sees only what God shows and tells, unfortunately many want to be over relevant so they speak the nonsense from their hearts which God had not told them, some its the devil playing tricks with them,,
Now with all authority i say PROPHETS exist because am still alive, except you want to believe am an Autoresponder

1. Predictions are not prophecies. Predictions are based on current events(in this case technology) and growth rate of these events. They do not claim to be factual. Prophecies on the other hand, claim to tell the future as it is.

2. Archaeologist who have found remains of dinosaurs and other extinct animals are yet to find remains of dragons.

3. Baba Vagna is not new. Her predictions are not strange, most are scientific and politically motivated and can/have been predicted by others. Even the bible predicts some of the things she claims to prophesy. This doesn't make her see the future. Ice caps melting, alien life, invading other planets, rise of Islam, etc are predictions scientist have laid down long before her!

shumuel:



kikiki Lol you cleary know nothing, now let me tell you a lot you don't know, many Hollywood movies are credit to either a prophecy or of a technology.

Fire breathing dragons existed, just because they were used in movie fictions does not mean they don't, many animals are said would soon lose its existence e.g The Tiger and the Lion,, what if that happens and in 300 years later such animals are use in a movie fiction, am sure someone would also say they don't exist, just like we have of the dinosuars.

You cleary also never heard of ''Baba Vanga'', please google it now to be enlightened, her prophecies birthed a lot of movies in Hollywood.

Moreso, just because we have fake products does not mean the originals never existed, infact there can't be a counterfeit if there wasn't an original,, Prophets exist and in various ways too, and yes they do know and speak of the future,, a lot of scientist are prophets but prefare to be called scientist, some prefare to be called psychics or Astrologers others sheyman e.t.c.

I that speak am one and i do see the future but its not as simple as you think, a prophet sees only what God shows and tells, unfortunately many want to be over relevant so they speak the nonsense from their hearts which God had not told them, some its the devil playing tricks with them,,
Now with all authority i say PROPHETS exist because am still alive, except you want to believe am an Autoresponder

This is pathetic

bennyann:


Funny! Please, just tell me You aren't serious ooo.

How do you know something is false, if you have no idea of the real one already?

The word 'false' doesn't exist on its own. It depends on the word 'real'.

For you to say something is fake or false, it means you know there's an 'original' or a 'real' one already.

Simple logic.

The many folktales of the tortoise were all false. Does it mean there were real life events that had the tortoise and other animals talking? Dear friend, some things will only exist in your imagination, and in your imagination alone.