As of Monday, Clinton has received 63.6 million votes and Trump has received 61.9 million - a difference of approximately 1.7 million votes in the final voting count.

This also means that Clinton has won more votes than any presidential candidate in the history of the United States, with the exception of President Barack Obama.

With the State of Michigan as the last state yet to declare its final results, it is thought that Clinton will eventually surpass Trumps total votes by more than 2 million votes.

However, Trump won because the electoral college system of America gave him 290 votes compared to Clintons 232.

Many Americans now argue that the electoral college system has become outdated and undemocratic because just 15 states out of 50 can decide who the President will be regardless of the outcome of the popular vote.

What are your thoughts?

There are popular votes and there are electoral votes . The dynamics in US election is that the first to get 270 electoral votes becomes the president which Trump got while Clinton had the popular votes which leads to nowhere...

gidgiddy:
As of Monday, Clinton has received 63.6 million votes and Trump has received 61.9 million - a difference of approximately 1.7 million votes in the final voting count.

This also means that Clinton has won more votes than any presidential candidate in the history of the United States, with the exception of President Barack Obama.

With the State of Michigan as the last state yet to declare its final results, it is thought that Clinton will eventually surpass Trumps total votes by more than 2 million votes.

However, Trump won because the electoral college system of America gave him 290 votes compared to Clintons 232.

Many Americans now argue that the electoral college system has become outdated and undemocratic because just 15 states out of 50 can decide who the President will be regardless of the outcome of the popular vote.

What are your thoughts?

It's democratic cause it ensures every region is represented well. Even Nigeria does something of that sort, you have to win a certain percentage before you become preesident.

Lies cooked up by the media that was in support of the so called hillary

Unsad:
There are popular votes and there are electoral votes . The dynamics in US election is that the first to get 270 electoral votes becomes the president which Trump got while Clinton had the popular votes which leads to nowhere...

Yes, but is it democratic? Democracy is always about the majority

gidgiddy:


Yes, but is it democratic? Democracy is always about the majority

Of course it's since that's the way elections have been stipulated to be held in the country.

gidgiddy:
As of Monday, Clinton has received 63.6 million votes and Trump has received 61.9 million - a difference of approximately 1.7 million votes in the final voting count.

This also means that Clinton has won more votes than any presidential candidate in the history of the United States, with the exception of President Barack Obama.

With the State of Michigan as the last state yet to declare its final results, it is thought that Clinton will eventually surpass Trumps total votes by more than 2 million votes.

However, Trump won because the electoral college system of America gave him 290 votes compared to Clintons 232.

Many Americans now argue that the electoral college system has become outdated and undemocratic because just 15 states out of 50 can decide who the President will be regardless of the outcome of the popular vote.

What are your thoughts?

That is the way they designed their own democracy. They are trying to give some leverage to the smaller states.

All the states in the US has 2 senators irrespective of population, while the members of the House of Representatives are determined by population of each state.

The electors in each state are determined by adding the numbers of senators of a state to the number of the Representatives the state has at the House.

This invariably gives some minute leverage to the states with smaller population.

It has been like that for decades and all Americans were happy with it, so why bring up the issue of the undemocratic nature of the electoral college now that Trump wins with it based on the lay down procedure . We should stop juvenile crap and thank God for giving the world a person like Trump who will call black a black and white a white

personally i think they should make it BOTH the popular and the electoral votes before one can be declared winner. If a candidate wins just one an loses the other, like Trump, then a rerun should hold.

We have a worse situation in Nigeria where Lagos has over 10 million and states like Ekiti and bayelsa with 1 or 2 million have the same number of Senators and are treated equally for presidential election

If it boiled down to popular votes alone, then the States of New York and California will solely determine the election outcome.

The electoral college recognises the sovereignty of individual states within the Union and as such gives the majority minority states a level playing field to counter the minority majority states.

To put this into better perspective, consider the election result map below :



Trump won more states than Clinton!

This is why the popular vote is secondary to college votes in determining the outcome of the US election.

Yes, it is very democratic. In fact I would prefer the same electoral system or laws in Nigeria. Here is why: The founding fathers of America were very smart individuals and saw that population imbalance in big states could disfranchise smaller states. They envisioned that the president will have to garner electoral votes from all states to clinch victory otherwise...someone could be president by simply winning popular(population votes) in these six states only; California, New York, Ohio, Cleveland, Michigan and Texas. So the rest of the 43 states and capital don't have a say abi? Would you yourself want that? Not fair at all. So the founding fathers were very smart and saw this coming. American electoral system is a balanced system that ensures that everyone or state is represented!

Now, let's discuss that in the context of Nigerian electoral system. Is it fair or do you know that a Northern presidential candidate can win a presidential election by winning all Northern states, including North Central and ride to victory assuming there was a low turnout in SW, SS and SE? American electoral laws were put in place to checkmate situations like this. I would prefer that our electoral laws be reformed to mirror that of America where every state is apportioned electoral votes based on the state's population. For example Lagos will have something like 40 electoral votes, Kaduna 25, Anambra 25, Kano 40, Oyo 20, Enugu 20, Rivers 25, Ekiti 10, Ebonyi 10, Bayelsa 11, e.t.c. It makes it very important for candidates to campaign in all states knowing that the popular votes alone will not ride him or her to victory but must get the electoral vote. A case study is Buhari, he was very reluctant to campaign in SE; because he already figured that Kano popular votes is pretty much the total of all SE popular votes; so makes no sense going there.

BUHARI WOULD NEVER HAVE BEEN ELECTED PRESIDENT OF NIGERIA, IF WE HAD AN AMERICAN ELECTORAL SYSTEM IN PLACE...NEVER! NORTHERN POPULAR VOTES WAS WHAT GAVE BUHARI VICTORY!

omonnakoda:
We have a worse situation in Nigeria where Lagos has over 10 million and states like Ekiti and bayelsa with 1 or 2 million have the same number of Senators and are treated equally for presidential election

They have the same number of senators but different number of reps. The idea of the senate is to give every state, irrespective of your size, an equal voice

Linzo:
It has been like that for decades and all Americans were happy with it, so why bring up the issue of the undemocratic nature of the electoral college now that Trump wins with it based on the lay down procedure . We should stop juvenile crap and thank God for giving the world a person like Trump who will call black a black and white a white

almost 50% are NOT happy with it.

Hint: check the popular vote

gidgiddy:


Yes, but is it democratic? Democracy is always about the majority

Simply put, Trump won more States than Hilary Clinton.

You want to declare a candidate who wins 15 out of 50 States a President and call it democracy?

alezzy13:


almost 50% are NOT happy with it.

Hint: check the popular vote

The only idiots rioting over a Trump victory have been proven to be hired protesters sponsored by George Sorros.

the irony is that the electoral college was supposed to prevent people like trump from becoming president, but it only ended up aiding him.

For the most part i agree with OP. The electoral college system has outlived its usefulness. they should adopt the Nigerian system: ie the overall votes AND a minimum number of votes in a specified number of states before you win presideny. That IMO would be more democratic

alezzy13:


They have the same number of senators but different number of reps. The idea of the senate is to give every state, irrespective of your size, an equal voice

You are not telling us anything we do not know.Smarty pants!! It is the same in the US.

The issue which is similar to that of this thread is the "equality of the states" which goes back to the question of the basis on which states are created.
Equality of states and the degree to which states can determine the outcome of presidential elections and how democratic is it comparing the US to Nigeria. In Nigeria all states are equal for presidential election purposes(regardless of population whilst in America they are not a priori) and the only scenario where the heavy population of one state will have any influence is in the unlikely event that two or more candidates fulfil the requirement for 25% of the votes cast in 2/3 of the states .In that scenario only would the so called popular vote have any impact.
In America states with more people have more say by having more electoral college votes so some states have 3 whilst others have 40 or so.
In Nigeria all states are equal and in my opinion, that is less democratic

989900D:
Not democracy; aristocracy.

If only we could get enough "faithless electors" to do the needful by Dec 19.

It is a shame the pioneer and evangelizer of democracy does not truly practice democracy in the true sense of it.

Hilary's loss pain all the zombies and Afonjas

uduak2016:
Yes, it is very democratic. In fact I would prefer the same electoral system or laws in Nigeria. Here is why: The founding fathers of America were very smart individuals and saw that population imbalance in big states could disfranchise smaller states. They envisioned that the president will have to garner electoral votes from all states to clinch victory otherwise...If someone could be president by simply winning popular(population votes) in these six states only; California, New York, Ohio, Cleveland, Michigan and Texas. So the rest of the 43 states and capital don't have a say abi? Would you yourself want that? Not fair at all. So the founding father were very smart and saw this coming. American electoral system is a balanced system that ensures that everyone or state is represented!

Now, let's discuss that in the context of Nigerian electoral system. Is it fair or do you know that a Northern presidential candidate can win a presidential election by winning all Northern states, including North Central and ride to victory assuming their was a low turnout in SW, SS and SE? American electoral laws were put in place to checkmate situations like this. I would prefer that our electoral laws be reformed to mirror that of America where every state is apportioned electoral votes based on the state's population. For example Lagos will have something like 40 electoral votes, Kaduna 25, Anambra 25, Kano 40, Oyo 20, Enugu 20, Rivers 25, Ekiti 10, Ebonyi 10, Bayelsa 11, e.t.c. It makes it very important for candidates to campaign in all states knowing that the popular votes alone will not ride him or her to victory but must get the electoral vote. A case study is Buhari, he was very reluctant to campaign in SE; because he already figured that Kano popular votes is pretty much the total of all SE popular votes; so makes no sense going there.

You nailed it. Otherwise a muslim fundamentalist can wake up one morning win all core northern states plus support from some yorubaa muslims, gets elected as president of Nigeria against the wishes of Christian yorubaas, SE and SS. Well said!

If Nigeria had that in her system, the over 90% illiterates who voted for Buhari wouldn't have landed us into this colossal derailed and failed government. Majority in every elections are made up of 50 to 90 % illiterates and that was what the drafters of American electoral law avoided.

Politics is local. Whatever rocks their boat and that's more reason why the US shouldn't interfere in the politics of African countries.

In this case, they've not shown good example of what democracy should be.

I don't understand all dis Trump haters... If you ain't happy he won, kill yourself

Olu20090:


You nailed it. Otherwise a muslim fundamentalist can wake up one morning win all core northern states plus support from some yorubaa muslims, gets elected as president of Nigeria against the wishes of Christian yorubaas, SE and SS. Well said!

AND THAT WAS WHAT HAPPENED .........drum rolls....... Buhari is now President.


Back to the American electoral college vs American popular votes discussion.

DeeManD:


AND THAT WAS WHAT HAPPENED .........drum rolls....... Buhari is now President.


Back to the American electoral college vs American popular votes discussion.

Had Clinton won with those liberal states like New york, New Jersey, California, Oregon, Washington and more, gay marriage will be pushed to be legal in all states by federal law. You will wake up one morning to see two men kissing in your neigbohood. Lol! Personally I don't care...I think anyone should marry whomever they want but I think it will infringe on the rights of those states that didn't have a say because of their small population.

uduak2016:
Yes, it is very democratic. In fact I would prefer the same electoral system or laws in Nigeria. Here is why: The founding fathers of America were very smart individuals and saw that population imbalance in big states could disfranchise smaller states. They envisioned that the president will have to garner electoral votes from all states to clinch victory otherwise...someone could be president by simply winning popular(population votes) in these six states only; California, New York, Ohio, Cleveland, Michigan and Texas. So the rest of the 43 states and capital don't have a say abi? Would you yourself want that? Not fair at all. So the founding fathers were very smart and saw this coming. American electoral system is a balanced system that ensures that everyone or state is represented!

Now, let's discuss that in the context of Nigerian electoral system. Is it fair or do you know that a Northern presidential candidate can win a presidential election by winning all Northern states, including North Central and ride to victory assuming there was a low turnout in SW, SS and SE? American electoral laws were put in place to checkmate situations like this. I would prefer that our electoral laws be reformed to mirror that of America where every state is apportioned electoral votes based on the state's population. For example Lagos will have something like 40 electoral votes, Kaduna 25, Anambra 25, Kano 40, Oyo 20, Enugu 20, Rivers 25, Ekiti 10, Ebonyi 10, Bayelsa 11, e.t.c. It makes it very important for candidates to campaign in all states knowing that the popular votes alone will not ride him or her to victory but must get the electoral vote. A case study is Buhari, he was very reluctant to campaign in SE; because he already figured that Kano popular votes is pretty much the total of all SE popular votes; so makes no sense going there.

BUHARI WOULD NEVER HAVE BEEN ELECTED PRESIDENT OF NIGERIA, IF WE HAD AN AMERICAN ELECTORAL SYSTEM IN PLACE...NEVER! NORTHERN POPULAR VOTES WAS WHAT GAVE BUHARI VICTORY!

Electoral system is the worst thing that can happen to nigeria.

FSBoperator:


The only idiots rioting over a Trump victory have been proven to be hired protesters sponsored by George Sorros.

I laff in FSB. Youre obviously confusing the average american voter with his/nigerian counterpart who, for a loaf of bread, will trade his own soul.

alezzy13:


Electoral system is the worst thing that can happen to nigeria.

Explain.

Trump's geographical landslide


[img]http://mishgea.files./2016/11/geographic-landslide1.png?w=529&h=371[/img]

alezzy13:


I laff in FSB. Youre obviously confusing the average american voter with his/nigerian counterpart who, for a loaf of bread, will trade his own soul.

Lol

alezzy13:


I laff in FSB. Youre obviously confusing the average american voter with his/nigerian counterpart who, for a loaf of bread, will trade his own soul.

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/11/soros-son-alex-soros-found-participating-democrats-anti-trump-protest-riots/


Why has Obama or Clinton not call the Protesters to order?

Click on the link above.