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|Questions And Objections With Common-Sense Responses To Atheists by OLAADEGBU(m): 2:48pm On Dec 01, 2016|
In this thread I will be posting questions and objections with short, common-sense responses to those who embrace the foolishness of atheism and the unscientific and unobservable blind faith of evolution.
The Bible has many seeming contradictions within its pages. For example, the four Gospels give four differing accounts as to what was written on the sign that hung on the cross.
"And above His head they put up the charge against Him which read, ‘'THIS IS JESUS THE KING OF THE JEWS'." —Matthew 27:37
"The inscription of the charge against Him read, 'THE KING OF THE JEWS'." —Mark 15:26
"Now there was also an inscription above Him, 'THIS IS THE KING OF THE JEWS'." —Luke 23:38
"Pilate also wrote an inscription and put it on the cross. It was written, 'JESUS THE NAZARENE, THE KING OF THE JEWS'." —John 19:19
Rebuttal to objection #1.
Those who are looking for contradictions may therefore say, "See—the Bible is full of mistakes!" and choose to reject it entirely as being untrustworthy.
However, those who trust God have no problem harmonising the Gospels. There is no contradiction if the sign simply said, "This is Jesus of Nazareth the King of the Jews." The godly base their confidence on two truths:
1) "all Scripture is given by inspiration of God" (2 Timothy 3:16); and
2) an elementary rule of Scripture is that God has deliberately included seeming contradictions in His Word to "snare" the proud. He has "hidden" things from the "wise and prudent" and "revealed them to babes" (Luke 10:21), purposely choosing foolish things to confound the wise (1 Corinthians 1:27).
If an ungodly man refuses to humble himself and obey the gospel, and instead desires to build a case against the Bible, God gives him enough material to build his own gallows. This incredible principle is clearly illustrated in the account of the capture of Zedekiah, king of Judah. Jeremiah the prophet told Zedekiah that God would judge him. He was informed that he would be "delivered into the hand of the king of Babylon"(Jeremiah 32:4). This is confirmed in Jeremiah 39:5-7 where we are told that he was captured and brought to King Nebuchadnezzar, then they "bound him with chains, to carry him to Babylon."
However, in Ezekiel 12:13, God Himself warned, "I will bring him to Babylon …yet he shall not see it, though he shall die there" (emphasis added). Here is material to build a case against the Bible! It is an obvious mistake. Three Bible verses say that the king would go to Babylon, and yet the Bible in another place says that he would not see Babylon. How can someone be taken somewhere and not see it? It makes no sense at all—unless Zedekiah was blinded. And that is precisely what happened. Zedekiah saw Nebuchadnezzar face to face, saw his sons killed before his eyes, then "the king of Babylon… put out Zedekiah's eyes" before taking him to Babylon (Jeremiah 39:6,7). This is the underlying principle behind the many "contradictions" of Holy Scripture (such as how many horses David had, who was the first to arrive at the tomb after the resurrection of Jesus, etc.).
God has turned the tables on proud, arrogant, self-righteous man. When he proudly stands outside of the kingdom of God, and seeks to justify his sinfulness through evidence he thinks discredits the Bible, he doesn't realise that God has simply lowered the door of life, so that only those who are prepared to exercise faith, and bow in humility may enter. It is interesting to note that the seeming contradictions in the four Gospels attest to the fact that there was no corroboration between the writers.
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|Re: Questions And Objections With Common-Sense Responses To Atheists by OLAADEGBU(m): 5:37pm On Dec 01, 2016|
Meagain Nudderacont said: "Actually Ray, atheism is the default position one acquires through logic and reason. There is however a strong argument that belief systems of theists in the supernatural are insane, and frankly quite stupid. You may want to pray a little harder for that "wisdom" you were speaking about."
Ray's rebuttals to objection #2
Ray Answers: Your only default position with atheism is to believe that nothing created everything, or to redefine "nothing" as "something" (which is what Dawkins does). Such a belief-system is scientific lunacy at its best. Atheism is as far from "logic and reason" as the East is from the West. No one needs to pray for wisdom to see this. A child can figure it out by looking around him at the order and beauty of Nature. Our precedent for atheism is not only based on Psalm 14:1 but upon common sense.
Although it may be hard for you to see, my words are motivated only by love, and from a deep concern for where you spend eternity. The greatest favour anyone can ever do for an atheist is to pop his little bubble of delusion and bring him or her back to reality.
see -> www.evolutionVsGod.com
|Re: Questions And Objections With Common-Sense Responses To Atheists by OLAADEGBU(m): 1:14pm On Jan 07, 2017|
Someone Said: "Atheists are free-thinkers."
Ray Answers: Anyone who believes that nothing created everything isn’t a free-thinker. He is free from thinking. The Bible calls him a “fool” (see Psalm 14:1).
|Re: Questions And Objections With Common-Sense Responses To Atheists by OLAADEGBU(m): 1:17pm On Jan 07, 2017|
Someone Said: "I am full of life and happiness. My family brings me joy, among other things. I love living in the here and now, and being accountable to my fellow humans."
Ray Answers: Everything you love is temporal. It will one day be ripped from your hands by death. That could be today--and that's not some sort of scare tactic; it is reality.
|Re: Questions And Objections With Common-Sense Responses To Atheists by OLAADEGBU(m): 1:18pm On Jan 07, 2017|
Someone Said: "Suppose the Muslim hell is the real one. Then YOU lose."
Ray Answers: Muslims aren't fools. They know the Creator exists because of the order of Nature and the existence of the human conscience. They also know that Hell exists, but they have no Savior to avoid it. God provided a Savior for all of humanity. He said that "whoever" trusts in Him will be saved. This is truly good news for the whole world.
Watch --> www.EvolutionvsGod.com
|Re: Questions And Objections With Common-Sense Responses To Atheists by OLAADEGBU(m): 1:20pm On Jan 07, 2017|
Someone Said: "If God wants us all to follow and worship Him, why didn't He create us as such?"
Ray Answers: When He created Adam and Eve, they were without sin. But when they disobeyed God, sin entered their hearts and then passed it on to their offspring. When you are born again God makes you a new creation.
|Re: Questions And Objections With Common-Sense Responses To Atheists by OLAADEGBU(m): 1:22pm On Jan 07, 2017|
If we can't see God, how can we know he exists?
It is not uncommon for skeptics to suppose that Christians are irrational for believing in a God they cannot see. In reality, it is irrational for such skeptics to suppose that what cannot be seen does not exist. First, the fact that something cannot be seen does not presuppose that it doesn't exist. We know that black holes, electrons, the laws of logic, and the law of gravity exist despite the fact that we cannot see them. Indeed, even a full–blown empiricist holds fast to the law of gravity while standing atop the Eiffel tower. Furthermore, as King David exudes, “The heavens declare the glory of God; the skies proclaim the work of his hands" (Psalm 19:1). Or in the words of the apostle Paul, "God's invisible qualities––his eternal power and divine nature––have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse" (Romans 1:20). Put another way, the order and complexity of the visible, physical universe eloquently testify to the existence of an uncaused first cause. Finally, God can be seen through the person and work of Jesus Christ. As Paul explains, "In Christ all the fullness of the Deity lives in bodily form" (Colossians 2:9). Indeed, the incarnation of Jesus Christ is the supreme act of God’s self–revelation. Through the ministry of the Holy Spirit we experience the power and presence of God in a way that is more fundamentally real than even our perceptions of the physical world in which we live.
---Hank Hanegraaff | The Complete Bible Answer Book http://www.equip.org/…/the-complete-bible-answer-bookcolle…/
For further study, see J. P. Moreland and William Lane Craig, Philosophical Foundations for a Christian Worldview (Downers Grove, Ill: InterVarsity Press, 2003); see also Lee Strobel, The Case for a Creator (Grand Rapids: Zondervan, 2004). http://www.equip.org/…/philosophical-foundations-for-a-chr…/
|Re: Questions And Objections With Common-Sense Responses To Atheists by OLAADEGBU(m): 1:24pm On Jan 07, 2017|
Someone Said: "Believers are supposed to live humble lives. Not lives filled with smart phones, laptops, big houses, nice clothes and fancy cars."
Ray Answers: A Christian can be humble and be rich. There is nothing wrong with money. Rather the Bible warns that the love of money (not money) is the root of all kinds of evil. In Scripture, those who are rich are told to use their wealth for good.
|Re: Questions And Objections With Common-Sense Responses To Atheists by OLAADEGBU(m): 1:25pm On Jan 07, 2017|
Someone Said: "He who sees the eyes of a child beaten and molested while his God watched is a seriously sick person for believing in a God."
Ray Answers: It is thoughtless to jump to the conclusion that nothing created everything, simply because God doesn't immediately punish evil. If He intervened and had Judgment Day today, where would you stand under the light of moral perfection? God is holding back from punishing child molesters, rapists, adulterers, fornicators, homosexuals, those who lust, hate, lie, steal and covet, because He is rich in mercy and willing to forgive all who repent and trust in Jesus.
|Re: Questions And Objections With Common-Sense Responses To Atheists by OLAADEGBU(m): 11:04am On Jan 14, 2017|
Samatha Swartz: "The ten commandments that christians cherish starts out: Exodus 20 The Ten Commandments: 1 And God spoke all these words: 2 "I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of Egypt, out of the land of slavery. Did God bring you out of the land of Egypt, out of slavery? NO!?!?!? Then I guess these laws are not for you, are they?"
Ray Answers: You are sadly mistaken. The Bible is filled with "typologies"—leprosy is a "type" of sin, Joseph is a type of Christ, the wilderness of the Hebrew desert is a type of the wilderness of this baron world, etc. Without this understanding the entire Bible will seem to be a jumbled mess of confusion.
Egypt is a type of this sin-filled world, where sinners are slaves to their sins. God brought the Christian out of this world and freed us from slavery to sin and death.
Your conclusion is therefore wrong also. The moral Law isn't just for the Jews. It was given to the whole world so that we would have knowledge of what sin is (see Romans 3:19-20), and it will be the standard by which God will judge the world.
Watch this Free -> www.evolutionvsGod.com
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|Re: Questions And Objections With Common-Sense Responses To Atheists by OLAADEGBU(m): 8:15pm On Jan 17, 2017|
LONGER POST, BUT IMPORTANT
"I have had temptations of sin that I fight off with the help of the Holy Spirit, but I'm afraid that if I sin again, I will be a false convert. I am afraid Jesus will tell me to depart from him on the Day of Judgment. There are many times I am sure of my salvation, but have thoughts of doubts in moments. Is this normal? Would a true convert EVER have doubt?" Devin Bowman
To answer this important question I’m going to pull something from a book I am co-authoring, called, “Audacity,” based on the new movie. It’s only a third written, so I’m jumping the gun a little.
Ben has been doubting his salvation after he witnessed a terrible car accident, so he asked his friend Peter for advice:
"I think this has been my problem. I've always had trouble with having faith in God. I'm not sure why that’s the case. It may be that I like to try and work things out rather than just have faith."
"Let me get my thoughts together for a second here." Peter paused for a few seconds. "You know, I've been thinking about what you just told me...about Corey dying in your arms this morning. I don't think I believe you."
"What do you mean you don't think you believe me?" Ben exclaimed incredulously, his voice coated with shock. "It happened! Do you think that I just made it up? I'm not lying to you Peter. There was an accident and this guy died in my arms! If you don't want to believe me, that's your problem..."
Peter could tell that Ben was a little upset. He didn't like doing this after what Ben had been through, but he felt that it was important. "I have trouble having faith in you Ben," he added.
Ben was flabbergasted. "Come on, Peter…"
"You’re upset aren't you?” Peter cut in. “I can tell by your voice. Let me explain why you're upset. If I don't have faith in you...if I don't believe something you tell me, it means I think you are a liar. You are not worth trusting. Now listen carefully. If you, a mere man, are insulted by my lack of faith in you, how much more do you think that you insult a holy God when you have a lack of faith in Him?"
"Whoa!” Ben breathed in wonder. “I never thought of it like that. You’re right."
“If you and I look at a promise of God and even think ‘how can I be sure this is true?’ we're greatly insulting God and calling Him a liar. I think that you’re right when you said this could be your problem. Listen to this verse from 1 John: ‘He who believes in the Son of God has the witness in himself; he who does not believe God has made Him a liar, because he has not believed the testimony that God has given of His Son.’ The Scriptures say not to depart from the living God through an ‘evil heart of unbelief.’ Any lack of belief in God’s promises are called ‘evil.’
"Do you remember what happened when Zacharias was told by the Angel of the Lord that he would have a son in his old age?" Peter asked.
"Yes,” Ben said thoughtfully. “The angel struck him dumb. I never understood why that happened. All Zacharias did was ask him a question."
"Right. He said, ‘How shall I know this? For I am an old man, and my wife is well advanced in years,’ and he was punished by being struck dumb. The Scriptures tell us why: '…because you did not believe my words which will be fulfilled in their own time.' Just as I insulted you when I doubted your word, Zacharias insulted God by his doubt. He was calling God a liar. Does that make sense?"
"It sure does. So with my doubt, I have actually been adding to my sins."
"True. Never, ever, insult God by doubting His promises. When Jesus said, 'Have faith in God' it wasn’t a suggestion; it was a command. Not believing God is insulting. It’s evil in the truest sense of the word, and it’s shameful. ‘Trust’ is what makes any relationship work. Of course I believe what happened to you this morning. I wouldn't jeopardize our friendship (and anger you) by doubting what you told me. If you don’t get this, you will never get anywhere in your Christian walk. Hebrews 11 says, 'Without faith it is impossible to please Him.' If you want to please God, trust Him. Are you with me?"
"I sure am. I must have been nuts not to have seen this. It’s so simple, and yet so profound. I sure appreciate you telling me this Peter."
"I'm pleased to hear that. Let's do a quick trust test. I will quote two basic promises of God. Here is the first: 'He who comes to me I will in no wise cast out.' Here's the second: 'Whosoever calls upon the Name of the Lord shall be saved.' Do you believe these promises, or do you think that God is lying? Remember what James says:
'…he who doubts is like a wave of the sea driven and tossed by the wind. For let not that man suppose that he will receive anything from the Lord."'
Ben's voice sounded confident as he answered Peter. "Yes! I believe those promises with all of my heart." He laughed. "You know what? It feels good to say I believe God! This is so simple. How could I have missed it?"
So treat doubt in the same way you would treat an adulterous thought. Don’t let it enter your mind.
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|Re: Questions And Objections With Common-Sense Responses To Atheists by Seun(m): 8:16pm On Jan 17, 2017|
Plagiarism isn't acceptable. You must post links to the pages where you got the info.
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|Re: Questions And Objections With Common-Sense Responses To Atheists by DoctorAlien(m): 10:41pm On Jan 17, 2017|
|Re: Questions And Objections With Common-Sense Responses To Atheists by OLAADEGBU(m): 1:20am On Jan 18, 2017|
Someone Said: "You can accept both evolution and God. They're not incompatible."
Ray Answers: God made Adam in His image. Neither God nor Adam was an ape. Jesus said, "In the beginning God made them "male and female." He didn't make them as primordial soup.
|Re: Questions And Objections With Common-Sense Responses To Atheists by Nobody: 7:54am On Jan 18, 2017|
OLAADEGBU:Are you sure God looks like people? See Ezekiel
|Re: Questions And Objections With Common-Sense Responses To Atheists by Seun(m): 8:09am On Jan 18, 2017|
You need to link directly to the pages (not just the sites) where each quote came from to avoid being banned for breaking rule 9.
OLAADEGBU:Actually, humans are apes. Biologically, we have all the characteristics that are used to identify apes as apes. This is an observable fact. The physical differences between humans and chimps are less pronounced than the differences between pugs and greyhounds, which are both dogs. You cannot deny the simple and obvious fact of our anatomical similarities with the other apes, unless you are dishonest or greatly misinformed. Beyond that, our DNA codes, which make us who we are, are very similar to those of other apes. It's unfruitful to reject facts.
Yet the biblical God is unmistakably similar to humans. Perhaps you can reconcile this with the facts by saying that God designed the process of evolution such that it would give rise to an intelligent creature that looks very similar to him. He made man in his image through evolution.
|Re: Questions And Objections With Common-Sense Responses To Atheists by felixomor: 8:17am On Jan 18, 2017|
Our Dna is also similar to that of tobacco and bananas
I have told u before to stop peddling this half baked science.
U r like the child who says a car turned into an aeroplane because he found similarities between the engine of the car and the engine of the aeroplane.
But wait o, going by ur last lines, are u beginning to adopt creative evolution?
|Re: Questions And Objections With Common-Sense Responses To Atheists by Seun(m): 8:41am On Jan 18, 2017|
felixomor:Thank you for saying that. This is one of the key reasons why scientists believe that all living things have a common origin. Though of course the similarity between our DNA and that of the banana plant is much less than the similarity between the DNA of humans and other apes.
U r like the child who says a car turned into an aeroplane because he found similarities between the engine of the car and the engine of the aeroplane.My main point was that we are apes. This is separate from the theory of evolution. If evolution is a lie and God really did create us, then that means that God must have created us as apes! If he also created us in his image, does this imply that apes are God-like? Not my problem.
are you beginning to adopt creative evolutionNo, but I recognize that it's vastly superior to creationism. Evolution is a beautiful theory and it's fantastic that some religious people have found a way to allow themselves to accept it and incorporate it into their thinking while still remaining religious. Kudos to them.
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|Re: Questions And Objections With Common-Sense Responses To Atheists by felixomor: 8:58am On Jan 18, 2017|
Of course, God is the common origin of all living. Without him, there is no life.
And as for God's image
The image of God as used in Genesis does not refer to the physical attributes as that which can be seen in man's DNA morphologically
Rather its the spirit image of the spirit that makes up man.
The person that resides inside the body.
|Re: Questions And Objections With Common-Sense Responses To Atheists by OLAADEGBU(m): 3:45pm On Jan 18, 2017|
"The creator of the Internet, a homosexual, and Bill Gates, who gave away billions to help humanity, and the creator of FaceBook, and another atheists...are all going to Hell?"
"The Internet was the work of dozens of pioneering scientists, programmers and engineers who each developed new features and technologies that eventually merged to become the "information superhighway" we know today."
Being rich or inventing something doesn’t mean that you get an automatic pass if you violate criminal law. Anyone who has violated God's Law (the Ten Commandments) will end up in Hell, irrespective of how rich they are or what they’ve invented.
Bill Gates is not an atheist.
Neither is Mark Zuckerberg: "Mark Zuckerberg says he’s no longer an atheist, believes ‘religion is very important'".
2. The Telegraph reported, "It does force us to sit down with the Pakistan government to renew their commitments, see what they’re going to do in security and make changes to protect the women who are doing God's work and getting out to these children and delivering the vaccine." Source: "Bill Gates interview: I have no use for money. This is God’s work." The Telegraph, 18 Jan 2013, http://www.telegraph.co.uk/…/Bill-Gates-interview-I-have-no…
https://www.facebook.com/official.Ray.Comfort 14 January at 20:00
|Re: Questions And Objections With Common-Sense Responses To Atheists by OLAADEGBU(m): 3:54pm On Jan 18, 2017|
God doesn't look like people rather it is man that was created in the image of God and sin has marred that image.
|Re: Questions And Objections With Common-Sense Responses To Atheists by Nobody: 4:05pm On Jan 18, 2017|
OLAADEGBU:And mixing with Angels, etc
|Re: Questions And Objections With Common-Sense Responses To Atheists by OLAADEGBU(m): 4:13pm On Jan 18, 2017|
The quotes came from the site suggested and specifically his facebook pages I posted. Feel free to check it up.
Evolutionists don't even believe humans are apes but ape-like creatures, they are not the same. As felixomor rightly pointed out, the fact that Ford produced different models doesn't mean that one model evolves into another higher model it just means that they were produced by the same maker. Likewise God, is the same Creator of humans and apes that share similar features, it doesn't mean that apes evolved into human.
The fact that we share similar DNA codes with apes doesn't make us any closer to apes than we are to bananas. Did you know that we share 50% of our DNA codes with banana? Does that make humans 50% bananas?
It is rather humans that are thinking God's thoughts after Him and those thoughts make them creationists. God didn't need billions and millions of years to bring what He created into being, He created them with the Power of His words not by evolution.
|Re: Questions And Objections With Common-Sense Responses To Atheists by OLAADEGBU(m): 4:17pm On Jan 18, 2017|
Man and Angels are both creation of God. Angels were created before man but man is the crown of God's creation because he was created in God's image, angels were not neither were they at any point in time mixed with man.
|Re: Questions And Objections With Common-Sense Responses To Atheists by Nobody: 4:36pm On Jan 18, 2017|
OLAADEGBU:Yes they were
...That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose...
Now think about this. If the Angels had these faces to begin with ...
10 As for the likeness of their faces, they four had the face of a man, and the face of a lion, on the right side: and they four had the face of an ox on the left side; they four also had the face of an eagle.
These are cherubim. We agree the devil was one of such.
Now these angels that descended in genesis, if they came with those faces, and mixed with men (whose faces we are not sure of) doesn't diversity of the human race (and other living creatures) reflect just that? I think so.
One of those Cherubs Ezekiel saw could be Michael, the Arch Angel
|Re: Questions And Objections With Common-Sense Responses To Atheists by Nobody: 5:13pm On Jan 18, 2017|
an elementary rule of Scripture is that God has deliberately included seeming contradictions in His Word to "snare" the proud. He has "hidden" things from the "wise and prudent" and "revealed them to babes" (Luke 10:21), purposely choosing foolish things to confound the wise (1 Corinthians 1:27).Interesting.
|Re: Questions And Objections With Common-Sense Responses To Atheists by OLAADEGBU(m): 5:13pm On Jan 18, 2017|
That verse was referring to genetic engineering not hybrids of man and angels. Man and angels cannot procreate, they are not of the same kind. Every creature of God was created after its own kind and angels don't procreate.
|Re: Questions And Objections With Common-Sense Responses To Atheists by Nobody: 6:05pm On Jan 18, 2017|
|Re: Questions And Objections With Common-Sense Responses To Atheists by MrMontella(m): 6:23pm On Jan 18, 2017|
felixomor:very useless lame analogy
|Re: Questions And Objections With Common-Sense Responses To Atheists by MrMontella(m): 6:24pm On Jan 18, 2017|
felixomor:do animals also have this spirit?
|Re: Questions And Objections With Common-Sense Responses To Atheists by felixomor: 6:27pm On Jan 18, 2017|
|Re: Questions And Objections With Common-Sense Responses To Atheists by rhektor(m): 11:42pm On Jan 18, 2017|
If call you Monkey you will ban me, here you are calling yourself an ape. I am not an ape and can never be an ape. Just imagine if piston is found in generator and it is also found in car engines and the same is found in aeroplane would you call aeroplane a generator? Simply because our DNA code is similar to that of Apes we are Apes? How about plants that also have similar DNA with us are they also Apes?would you call tobacco a Man? How would you refer to a banana? would it even be called mammal not to mention an ape?
Even your big brother Dawkin confusingly accept God when he said " when I say nothing I mean something"
Please stop confusing yourself with this useless theory of evolution which is total nonsense
Just imagine this picture below and tell me what happened to them
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