Anas09:
Hello Christian brethren. I hope this day met you well?

Well, i am studying Hebrews now. From Hebrews 7 to 10 the Holy Spirit is talking to us about the Priesthood of Cbrist. He compared it with the priesthood of Melchezedek, the eternal priest.

We are told that Jesus Himself was the High Priest who offered his own blood in the Holy of Holies in the Heavenly Tabernacle which existed before Moses. We are told that, that Tabernacle is not like the earthly one which was made with human hands and which a human high priest enters once every year with blood for atonement.

We are told that, when Moses was on mount Sinai, he was shown a replica of the Tabernacle in heaven and was asked to built the one in the Wilderness exactly like the one he was shown in a vison up on Mount sinai.

Who serve unto the example and shadow of heavenly things, as Moses was admonished of God when he was about to make the tabernacle: for, See, saith he, that thou make all things according to the pattern shewed to thee in the mount.
Hebrews:8:5

And look that thou make them after their pattern, which was showed thee in the mount.
Exodus:25:40

My Questions are...
1. Why was there a need for a Tabernacle which housed the Holy of Holies, where blood shd be offered in heaven, when it is on earth that sin was committed?


2. When was that Tabernacle built?

Was it before or after the Fall of Adam?

3. Since the Word says, Blood is the only thing that can atone for sin which brought death, what is the connection between the sin Adam committed and shedding of blood which needed another blood for its atonement?

Adam did not shed any blood, how did blood come in and why was the Blood of Christ required to Atone for the sin of Adam?


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KingEbukasBlog:
Hmmm

MrPresident1 is the king of detecting symbolism and allegory . Let's see his version first .

Nice one Anas09 though .

Anas09:
Hello Christian brethren. I hope this day met you well?

Well, i am studying Hebrews now. From Hebrews 7 to 10 the Holy Spirit is talking to us about the Priesthood of Cbrist. He compared it with the priesthood of Melchezedek, the eternal priest.

We are told that Jesus Himself was the High Priest who offered his own blood in the Holy of Holies in the Heavenly Tabernacle which existed before Moses. We are told that, that Tabernacle is not like the earthly one which was made with human hands and which a human high priest enters once every year with blood for atonement.

We are told that, when Moses was on mount Sinai, he was shown a replica of the Tabernacle in heaven and was asked to built the one in the Wilderness exactly like the one he was shown in a vison up on Mount sinai.

Who serve unto the example and shadow of heavenly things, as Moses was admonished of God when he was about to make the tabernacle: for, See, saith he, that thou make all things according to the pattern shewed to thee in the mount.
Hebrews:8:5

And look that thou make them after their pattern, which was showed thee in the mount.
Exodus:25:40

My Questions are...
1. Why was there a need for a Tabernacle which housed the Holy of Holies, where blood shd be offered in heaven, when it is on earth that sin was committed?

2. When was that Tabernacle built?

Was it before or after the Fall of Adam?

3. Since the Word says, Blood is the only thing that can atone for sin which brought death, what is the connection between the sin Adam committed and shedding of blood which needed another blood for its atonement?

Adam did not shed any blood, how did blood come in and why was the Blood of Christ required to Atone for the sin of Adam?

Scholar8200:
Now before the fall, was there a Tabernacle? Yes. Was blood offered therein? No. Why? Because the blood makes atonement for the soul. However, there was no sin to be remitted hence no need for blood to be shed.

The Tabernacle/Temple/Sanctuary is God's Throne:

Therefore are they before the throne of God, and serve him day and night in his temple: and he that sitteth on the throne shall dwell among them.

Revelation 7:15

Remember the Holy of Holies was charaterised by the Mercy Seat and the 2 Cherubs? A type of the Throne Room.


On the basis of 1.

But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever
Hebrews 1:8a

Yes, the soul that sins, it shall die. The blood that speaks better things than that of Abel cries (not for vengeance) that One has died in our place hence, for those who believe this, it becomes INJUSTICE for a Just God to still hold those sins against them since one has paid the ultimate price. As regards Adam's sin, can you further explain what you mean by, "shedding of blood which needed another blood for its atonement?"

Because the soul that sins,it shall die or the wages of sin (not only murder) is death.

The Blood of Christ stands as the evidence that death indeed has taken place; death of one that has no debts/or sins of His own.

But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.

Hebrews 2:9
Blood signifies that death has taken place.

The blood of Abel cried to God and He responded. The Blood of Jesus also cries to the Father for us, and against the adversaries.

The Blood testifies the highlighted and God's judgement is withheld, the old debts are cancelled and the adversary loses his legal ground of attack instead, the God that executed judgement against the gods of Egypt when the blood was applied, now executed judgement swiftly against him when the believer by faith applies the blood.

MrPresident1:
Anas09 and KingEbujasblog

My Questions are...
1. Why was there a need for a Tabernacle which housed the Holy of Holies, where blood shd be offered in heaven, when it is on earth that sin was committed?

It was all allegories. The tabernacle that was built was only the house of the prophet of God, or the Ark of God. Jerusalem itself was the temple of God, while the tabernacle was the house of the Ark of God. The Ark of God was the prophet of God. The Ark of God was Samuel, it was also Prophet Nathan etc. The Holies of Holies was the bedroom of the prophet.


2. When was that Tabernacle built?

Was it before or after the Fall of Adam?

The fall of Adam is an allegory for the fall and devolution of Israel. Adam was the leaders of Israel, Eve was the people of Israel. eg Buhari and his ministers are Adam, we the people, their subjects and followers, are Eve.

The tabernacle was built by Solomon.

3. Since the Word says, Blood is the only thing that can atone for sin which brought death, what is the connection between the sin Adam committed and shedding of blood which needed another blood for its atonement?

Adam did not shed any blood, how did blood come in and why was the Blood of Christ required to Atone for the sin of Adam?

Adam and Eve committed adultery against God by engaging in Idolatry. Idolatry was the original sin, and it was the fruit that Eve ate, and gave to Adam her husband. Literally meaning that it was the people who first started to dabble into idolatry and they eventually convinced the leaders into idolatry. Any woman who is guilty of adultery must die. Israel (Adam and Eve) is God's woman, they were caught in adultery so they must die.
Because God loved His wife so much and did not want her to die, God incarnated in Jesus Christ, and died for her. Jesus Is God. God broke the curse of sin over His wife by dying for her. Who can accuse her of adultery when He has died for her? He paid for her sin so she is free completely.

shadeyinka:
We may not know why the tabernacle was built in heaven. Probably as the Mercy Seat or throne of God.

1. And the overcame him by the Blood of the lamb and the word of their testimony.

2. The Lamb of God slain from the foundations of the world

If the Lamb of God was slain from the foundations of the earth, it meant that God did a preemptive intervention for ALL

It is the same reason why God predestined those who are to be saved...
...to whom He had foreknown, God predestined to confirm to the image of His dear son.

In the spirit, realities are established and then, manifestations can follow in the physical.

The Blood isn't necessary only for atonement but also for Victory and Power in conflict.

They are just spiritual principles established by God as a working rule.

Anas09:

Good, very good.
Now, You said, there was a Tabernacle in heaven before the creation of the Earth right?

Shd we go with the notion that, The Fall of Adam was predestinated? Someone said, 'It was foreknown not predestinated". What is the difference?

There was a Tabernacle, and a Tabernacle comes with atonement, but there can't be any atonement without sin rigjt?

So, was the Tabernacle built in atincipation for the Sin that shd be committed in future?

His throne and Mercy seat is exterblished as being there forever, that is settled.
I totally agree with your other points, but where am interested in is, What is the connection between the dead Adam died with Blood of Jesus being offered in a Tabernacle in Heaven?

Why is there a need for that Tabernacle to be in Heaven.

Scholar8200:
And a Tabernacle is defined as:
And having an high priest over the house of God Hebrews 10:21 He has always had One.

I will come back to this.

A tabernacle does not come with atonement. The issue of atonement only arose when sin came in.

No. Especially considering the fact that Tabernacle = God's House.

Understand that the role of the Blood, inter alia, is access into the Tabernacle i.e Presence of God's Throne.

Anas09:

Pls let us note at this point, that the Tabernacle in question here is not the allegory of a dwelling place or a body.
What i mean is here is the place where Christ as the eternal high priest offered his blood.

On earth, the human high priest went in once a year with the blood of animals to offer for sin.

The Tabernacle which housed the holy of holies. Its actually the Holy of Holies am talking about.

When you say the rule of the blood is to give access to the Tabernacle, do you mean before or after the Fall since we know that the Tabernacle was there before the Fall?

MrPresident1:
Anas09 and KingEbujasblog
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Because God loved His wife so much and did not want her to die, God incarnated in Jesus Christ, and died for her. Jesus Is God. God broke the curse of sin over His wife by dying for her. Who can accuse her of adultery when He has died for her? He paid for her sin so she is free completely. [/b]

EyeHateGod:

Jesu What am i reading e be like say i no day see well today... Do u mean his wife asin Israel?

MrPresident1:


Isaiah 54:5
For thy Maker is thine husband; the Lord of hosts is his name; and thy Redeemer the Holy One of Israel; The God of the whole earth shall he be called.

Anas09:
Hello Christian brethren. I hope this day met you well?

Well, i am studying Hebrews now. From Hebrews 7 to 10 the Holy Spirit is talking to us about the Priesthood of Cbrist. He compared it with the priesthood of Melchezedek, the eternal priest.

We are told that Jesus Himself was the High Priest who offered his own blood in the Holy of Holies in the Heavenly Tabernacle which existed before Moses. We are told that, that Tabernacle is not like the earthly one which was made with human hands and which a human high priest enters once every year with blood for atonement.

We are told that, when Moses was on mount Sinai, he was shown a replica of the Tabernacle in heaven and was asked to built the one in the Wilderness exactly like the one he was shown in a vison up on Mount sinai.

Who serve unto the example and shadow of heavenly things, as Moses was admonished of God when he was about to make the tabernacle: for, See, saith he, that thou make all things according to the pattern shewed to thee in the mount.
Hebrews:8:5

And look that thou make them after their pattern, which was showed thee in the mount.
Exodus:25:40

My Questions are...
1. Why was there a need for a Tabernacle which housed the Holy of Holies, where blood shd be offered in heaven, when it is on earth that sin was committed?

2. When was that Tabernacle built?

Was it before or after the Fall of Adam?

3. Since the Word says, Blood is the only thing that can atone for sin which brought death, what is the connection between the sin Adam committed and shedding of blood which needed another blood for its atonement?

Adam did not shed any blood, how did blood come in and why was the Blood of Christ required to Atone for the sin of Adam?

EyeHateGod:

Jesu What am i reading e be like say i no day see well today... Do u mean his wife asin Israel?

Scholar8200:
After the fall. That was when sin , that is remitted by the blood, came in.

EyeHateGod:

I also remember one passage in the Bible where Yahweh was talking about his naked wife(Israel) and how he clothed her etc but it wasn't adultery na it was Idolatory..

MrPresident1:


Yeah you are right. Israel was committing Idolatry, in the eyes of God Idolatry is adultery. She was God's yet she was committing adultery through idolatry.

EyeHateGod:

Yes it has to be i could see how it'll look from a God point of view..

MrPresident1:


It was bad mehn. Picture it as a man: You marry a beautiful woman, give her everything, you make her queen and put everything under her feet, then she starts messing up. its bad mehn. See how God even put it

Ezekiel 23:20
For she doted upon their paramours, whose flesh is as the flesh of asses, and whose issue is like the issue of horses.

She was so disloyal. But you know what, He still loved her! And was perpetually willing to have her back to Himself. He then made the ultimate sacrifice by dying for her. This is the story of the Negroes.

EyeHateGod:

But don't you think this God attributes sounds more like a Man

MrPresident1:


Again, you hit bullseye.

It is the anthropomorphic nature of God.

Ezekiel 16:20-22
20 Moreover thou hast taken thy sons and thy daughters, whom thou hast borne unto me, and these hast thou sacrificed unto them to be devoured. Is this of thy whoredoms a small matter,
21 That thou hast slain my children, and delivered them to cause them to pass through the fire for them?
22 And in all thine abominations and thy whoredoms thou hast not remembered the days of thy youth, when thou wast naked and bare, and wast polluted in thy blood.

Israel was slaying the children she bore for God to devils. She was passing them through fire to devils.

It is the anthropomorphic nature of God.

KingEbukasBlog:


Yeah , in Christian mysticism . God does not exist , God is . In Judaism , God was just attributed anthropomorphic nature to Him so that humans can understand . That's why I'm leaning towards the creation story and some stories being allegories .

Anas09:
1. Why was there a need for a Tabernacle which housed the Holy of Holies,
where blood shd be offered in heaven, when it is on earth that sin was committed?

Anas09:
2. When was that Tabernacle built?
Was it before or after the Fall of Adam?

Anas09:
3. Since the Word says, Blood is the only thing that can atone for sin which brought death, what is the connection between the sin Adam committed and shedding of blood which needed another blood for its atonement?

Anas09:
Adam did not shed any blood

Anas09:
how did blood come in and why was the Blood of Christ required to Atone for the sin of Adam?

MuttleyLaff:
Kick off with synonyms for tabernacle
Synonyms for tabernacle are: a tent, body, an abode, dwelling, mansion, habitation.

Tabernacles house all sorts of things
We humans are housed in a tabernacle (i.e. our beings are housed in bodies otherwise called tabernacles)
The glory of God when God was with the Israelites in the wilderness, comes tempoparily to reside in the Holy of Holies housed in a Tabernacle
God, whilst on earth in the person of God, the Son, was housed in a tabernacle (i.e. body)

As a side note, the portable tabernacle used by the Israelites in their 40 years wilderness is not to be mistaken for the first temple in Jerusalem built by Solomon which had its own built tabernacle according to King David's design

Blood apparently from the Genesis 4:10 account has a voice, speaks and cries out against injustices

Once a year on the Day of Atonement the High Priest enters the Holy of Holies to sprinkle the blood of sacrificial animals for the atonement of sins

The shedding of blood on earth is meant to be a temporary once a year ritual practice
until the time matures for the one-time blood of Jesus Christ sprinkle for the atonement of man's sin
(i.e. time matured after Calvary)

Christ didn't go into a holy place made by human hands.
He didn't go into a model of the real thing.
Instead, he went into heaven to appear in God's presence on our behalf
- Hebrews 9:24

a minister in the holy places and in the true tabernacle, which the Lord has pitched, not man.
- Hebrews 8:2

The heavenly Tabernacle has been in existence before Adam and before the fall of Adam
It is where God dwells, the tabernacle is pitched in heaven, where God is present

For the life of the flesh is in the blood:
and I have given it to you upon the altar to make an atonement for your souls:
for it is the blood that maketh an atonement for the soul
- Leviticus 17:11

because blood contains life.
I have given this blood to you to make peace with me on the altar.
Blood is needed to make peace with me
- Leviticus 17:11

because the life of any flesh is the blood itself.
Therefore, I'm saying to the Israelis that the blood of any flesh is not to be eaten,
because the life of any flesh is in its blood.
Anyone who eats of it is to be eliminated from contact with his people
- Leviticus 17:14

The connection has to do with DNA, genes and chromosomes
All these three are in the blood and play important roles
- DNA has the building block information "blue-print" of the cell
- Genes are units of heredity which are transferred from a parent to child(ren) and held to determine some characteristics of the offspring child(ren)
- Chromosomes determines your sex or gender

Apart from DNA, genes and chromosomes, what about the role the blood circulatory system plays in our good health delivering nutrients and oxygen to all cells in the body
We all know the implication of having high blood pressure (HBP)
No need for epistles, as with Leviticus 17:11 and 14 above, all ought to be self explanatory, and confirms that the life of the flesh surely is in the blood

The connection is the necessity for a last Adam, the second man whose new Template has an unblemished or untainted blood

¹⁸For you know that it was not with perishable things such as silver or gold that you were redeemed from the empty way of life you inherited from your forefathers,
¹⁹but with the precious blood of Christ, a lamb without blemish or spot.
²⁰He was known before the foundation of the world, but was revealed in the last times for your sake
- 1 Peter 1:18-20

Its correct that Adam did not shed any blood,
but the problem is with the first man's flesh-template which became corrupt after the fall
and if the life of the flesh is in the blood, something terribly wrong happened in Adam's blood the moment he fell
Read the section above with the Leviticus 17:11 and 14 verses for extra details

From one man he has made every nation of humanity to live all over the earth.
He has given them the seasons of the year and the boundaries within which to live.
- Acts 17:26

When Adam sinned, sin entered the world.
Adam's sin brought death, so death spread to everyone, for everyone sinned
- Romans 5:12

¹⁷For the sin of this one man, Adam, caused death to rule over many.
But even greater is God's wonderful grace and his gift of righteousness,
for all who receive it will live in triumph over sin and death through this one man, Jesus Christ.
¹⁸Yes, Adam's one sin brings condemnation for everyone,
but Christ's one act of righteousness brings a right relationship with God and new life for everyone
- Romans 5:18

Adam, as earlier mentioned, is the body-template used for human beings
(i.e. human beings are progenitors from the body mold, pattern or guide used in forming Adam)
and we inherited the bad and the ugly when Adam sinned

According to the Law, nearly everything must be purified with blood, and without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness

The sprinkled blood of Jesus Christ speaks a better word than the blood of Abel
or the sprinkled blood of Jesus Christ does a better work than the blood of sacrificied bulls, calves or goats

Jesus blood was conceived by God when the Holy Ghost came upon Mary
since Jesus' blood did not come from any earthly father, this means the sin nature from Adam couldn't be passed on to Him
Also Mary's blood, like any other pregnant mother's blood which doesnt mix with the foetus' blood, did not mix with Jesus' blood either
hence this means, we have a Jesus blood, free and independent of corrupted DNA and genes

Sin now has the Father's blood which flows in Jesus Christ and given to us to contend with
Sin is the sting that results in death, and the law gives sin its power.
Death, where is your sting? Grave, where is your victory?
Thank God that he gives us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.

The blood of Jesus Christ is similar to replacing a corrupted Microsoft Word template ''normal.dot'' file with a new one
and having stored default settings such as font, font size, content of a file etc restored to the application,
in order to fix problems when creating new Microsoft Word documents seemed impossible due to the template ''normal.dot'' file being corrupted

Anas09:
This is too long nah.

Anas09:
Where do you want me to start answering you now?

MuttleyLaff:
Nobi you ask long questions
I had to restrict and discipline myself trying to control making it short and simple without risking leaving out important facts

Take a pick from any of the 1, 2, 3 sections to start your answering from

Anas09:
E too long.abeg

Anas09:
i go try sha.

MuttleyLaff:
Come easy, go easy
Nothing of great value or worth comes easy
Diamond, pearl, gold, oil, coal etcetera

IMHO, you'll be sharper, if you sincerely do more than try