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Re: Religion And It's Myopic Views Of The World by Richirich713: 11:59am On Dec 08, 2016 |
jonbellion: so something can come from nothing and by nothing, literally nothing? |
Re: Religion And It's Myopic Views Of The World by benzics(m): 12:00pm On Dec 08, 2016 |
Richirich713:lol, so what was God gotten from? And if you dare say nothing, then you yourself is mentally ill! |
Re: Religion And It's Myopic Views Of The World by hopefulLandlord: 12:02pm On Dec 08, 2016 |
KingEbukasBlog: Theist: There's a/are deity/deities and I believe in this deity/deities Atheist: I don't believe in any deity existence of deities to most atheists was clearly illustrated in my previous post which you quoted |
Re: Religion And It's Myopic Views Of The World by Richirich713: 12:03pm On Dec 08, 2016 |
benzics: I've already told u God is eternal? It seems u don't understand what that means, google it. |
Re: Religion And It's Myopic Views Of The World by hopefulLandlord: 12:04pm On Dec 08, 2016 |
Richirich713: Theists just pull infinite regress tactics and use "god" to terminate the regress its pretty dishonest 1 Like |
Re: Religion And It's Myopic Views Of The World by benzics(m): 12:04pm On Dec 08, 2016 |
peacesamuel94:Take note, I said if the priest or whosoever, has already experimented using available evidence, then his discoveries are welcome... But when you start telling us of a talking snake, worldwide flood, creation by speech, you already know that a psychiatric ward is best for you.. . |
Re: Religion And It's Myopic Views Of The World by jonbellion(m): 12:05pm On Dec 08, 2016 |
Richirich713:well "nothing" is a strong word Even at its lowest energy level, there are fluctuations in the quantum vacuum of the Universe. There are quantum particles popping into and out of existence throughout the Universe. There are always quantum fluctuations Though I can't really say for sure the universe came from nothing religous Gods are as fake as el classico matches played at camp nou |
Re: Religion And It's Myopic Views Of The World by benzics(m): 12:06pm On Dec 08, 2016 |
Richirich713: Lol, is that what the Bible, written by a man, told you OK, let us share in your ignorance a little, so god is eternal.. . How did God create the earth from nothing? |
Re: Religion And It's Myopic Views Of The World by Richirich713: 12:09pm On Dec 08, 2016 |
hopefulLandlord: U actually dishonest, I didn't pull God here to end any regress, he ask me wer did God come from, implying that he thinks the word "God" entails a created being, so I corrected him. |
Re: Religion And It's Myopic Views Of The World by benzics(m): 12:09pm On Dec 08, 2016 |
hopefulLandlord:Worst of all is that all their claims and "tactics" were gotten from a "book" written by a mad man.. |
Re: Religion And It's Myopic Views Of The World by jonbellion(m): 12:12pm On Dec 08, 2016 |
"God" is a string term A diestic version of God is highly probable The problem i have is the people that say all sorts of bullshit giving God anthropomorphic qualities they gave a relationship with the creator They spoke to it today God made me a better lover God wrote his "inspired" word Lol Bullshit 5 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Religion And It's Myopic Views Of The World by Richirich713: 12:18pm On Dec 08, 2016 |
jonbellion: thought so, those particles don't literally come from nothing, they come from energy. So I actually do know my physics and u were just bluffing. |
Re: Religion And It's Myopic Views Of The World by jonbellion(m): 12:24pm On Dec 08, 2016 |
Richirich713:and does energy come from nothing 1 Like |
Re: Religion And It's Myopic Views Of The World by peacesamuel94(m): 12:30pm On Dec 08, 2016 |
benzics: One major misconception portrayed by your post is that religion stands as a barrier to research and claims to have all the answers, which is not true, Religion only claims to have the Final Answer to the cause of reality as well as the universal origin. Theists believe God created the world,but for us to understand the world better, research must be carried out, science must be embraced. so as to change it for the better. Science and religion are not antagonistic, they complement each other. science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind. |
Re: Religion And It's Myopic Views Of The World by Richirich713: 12:33pm On Dec 08, 2016 |
benzics: Nope that's is what the definition of God tells me, a perfect being entails an eternal being. Lol First ask ur mother how the universe came from nothing and by nothing ? |
Re: Religion And It's Myopic Views Of The World by Richirich713: 12:36pm On Dec 08, 2016 |
jonbellion: Maybe, but it's impossible for anything to come from nothing and by literally nothing. |
Re: Religion And It's Myopic Views Of The World by Richirich713: 12:43pm On Dec 08, 2016 |
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Re: Religion And It's Myopic Views Of The World by jonbellion(m): 12:49pm On Dec 08, 2016 |
Richirich713:huh
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Re: Religion And It's Myopic Views Of The World by Richirich713: 12:54pm On Dec 08, 2016 |
jonbellion: You'll see |
Re: Religion And It's Myopic Views Of The World by benzics(m): 1:10pm On Dec 08, 2016 |
Richirich713:I am not the one making claims that something can't come from nothing, so tell me how God created the earth from nothing?? Bunch of paradoxical beings, always contradicting themselves since 00bc |
Re: Religion And It's Myopic Views Of The World by Richirich713: 1:12pm On Dec 08, 2016 |
benzics: Don't know. |
Re: Religion And It's Myopic Views Of The World by benzics(m): 1:17pm On Dec 08, 2016 |
peacesamuel94:Here we go again, with this bullshit There was always science long before a mad man thought of religion, so was science lame before religion? The scrolls that the Bible was written on, was it not provided by science? The lamps men were using back before religion, was it not science? Religion is utter Nonsense! |
Re: Religion And It's Myopic Views Of The World by benzics(m): 1:19pm On Dec 08, 2016 |
Richirich713:Lol, and since it's impossible for something to come from nothing, where does energy come from? ? Its high time you lots start thinking! |
Re: Religion And It's Myopic Views Of The World by Richirich713: 1:24pm On Dec 08, 2016 |
benzics: It's impossible for something to come from nothing and by nothing is what I said. It's about high time you lots start listening! |
Re: Religion And It's Myopic Views Of The World by foladara777(m): 3:36pm On Dec 08, 2016 |
Richirich713:Impossible for something to come from nothing and by nothing?? Right... I guess God must have come from something then |
Re: Religion And It's Myopic Views Of The World by KingEbukasBlog(m): 4:45pm On Dec 08, 2016 |
hopefulLandlord: So how are babies atheists since they don't believe in either the existence or non existence of God . 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Religion And It's Myopic Views Of The World by Richirich713: 5:27pm On Dec 08, 2016 |
foladara777: That's a false dilemma(either something came from nothing or from something else). There's three not two options one must consider when evaluating what accounts for or explains the fact something exists. Whatever exists must have an explanation of its existence, either something's existence is explained by another, explained by nothing, or its existence is explained by itself (aka self-existence). Here an analogy given by Saint Anslem to help us get an idea on what is meant by option three: "Suppose on a cold night we come upon a blazing campfire. We note that a rock a few feet from the campfire is warm. If we ask what explains this fact about the rock (that it is warm), it would be absurd to suggest that the explanation is to be found within the rock itself, that there is something about the nature of the rock that makes it warm. The fire and the nearness of the rock to the fire explain the rock’s warmth. Suppose we then note that the fire is also warm. What accounts for the fact that the fire is warm? Here it does not seem absurd to suggest that the explanation lies within the fire itself. It is the nature of a fire to be warm just as it is the nature of a triangle to have three angles. To avoid confusion here we must keep clearly in mind that it is the fact of the fire’s warmth we are trying to explain, and not the fact of the fire’s existence. The fact of the fire’s existence is not due to the fire but to the camper who built the fire. The fact that the existing fire is warm, however, is a fact about the fire that is accounted for by the nature of the fire, by what it is to be a fire. We have here, then, an example of a fact about a thing (the fire’s warmth) that is accounted for not by something else but by the nature of the thing itself (the fire)." God is self-existent and eternal. If we talkin about a being who doesn't have this attributes, then we aren't talking about God but about something else. |
Re: Religion And It's Myopic Views Of The World by foladara777(m): 6:33pm On Dec 08, 2016 |
Richirich713:Apples and oranges. We are discussing the origin of the existence of a person but your reference is the existence of a nature of a thing... My question is not where did God's nature as a good god came from. If that was the question, the analogy to the origin of the warmth of the fire would be relevant but that's not the question. The question is of existence of the person of God and not his nature. For a nature to exist, there must be a thing possessing the nature.For the fire to be warm, there must exist a fire. For God to be good, there must exist a God... So, explain how God exists not how his nature exists |
Re: Religion And It's Myopic Views Of The World by Richirich713: 7:19pm On Dec 08, 2016 |
foladara777: The analogy wasn't meant to explain how God is self-existent, it was meant to give us an idea about what it means to say an explanation of some fact is explain by itself. "Explain how God exists not how his nature exists?" How can I explain how God exists? What does that even mean? Should I answer by saying God has always existed, that he is eternal and self-existent? |
Re: Religion And It's Myopic Views Of The World by foladara777(m): 8:39pm On Dec 08, 2016 |
Richirich713:So, man's existence cannot be explained by itself but God's existence can |
Re: Religion And It's Myopic Views Of The World by Richirich713: 8:47pm On Dec 08, 2016 |
foladara777: Man is contingent, so I don't see that as being a possibility. |
Re: Religion And It's Myopic Views Of The World by foladara777(m): 9:12pm On Dec 08, 2016 |
Richirich713:Man is contingent... What is God then?? |
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