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Re: Why I Think MMM Is Not A "Helping" Scheme by emymeeky: 4:52pm On Dec 13, 2016
soldierdollar:
"Why does the Federal government want MMM banned? A scheme Nigerians are using to help themselves? The national assembly are just too wicked! They are busy "chopping" our national cake but will not allow this God-sent scheme to see the light of the day. God Pass them" ... and a thousand and one more quotations showing how desperate and ignorant Nigerians could be about ponzi schemes.
It is no surprise as to how passionate Nigerians could be about get-rich-quick schemes considering the fact that the current recession is really biting hard. In fact the level of passion exhibited by Nigerians about this scheme has forced many participants to write open letters to Federal authorities warning them to desist from any attempt to be a clog in the wheel of their "progress' . Some have become irrevocably too sure about the sustainability of the pyramid schemes, especially, MMM. I am not here to question the sustainability or otherwise of MMM scheme neither am I trying to pacify you to leave the scheme; I am here to tell you that MMM has not and will never improve the generality of life in Nigeria with the following facts.

(1) MMM has no central account. This well known fact should be a source of worry about the owners' source of income and the sustainability of the scheme. MMM does not not have direct access to your money and thus, does not invest it in order to grow it. Why is MMM being selfless and 'patriotic' in ensuring the smooth running of the scheme? How the heck does it gain from the scheme? Below is the answer to the puzzle.

(2) It may shock you to know that just like you and millions of other participants, nothing prevents MMM from "providing help" and "getting help" from a scheme they created.As the first investor in its own scheme, imagine the millions and chains of referrals in their 'downlines' and thousands of guiders that constitute its team. I may be wrong in the figures , but the number will be quite humongous. Is the amount of money MMM makes enough to pay millions of their participants 30-40 % returns on their investments and 10% to the referrer? Hell No! Then how the heck are they able to keep to their promise of settling investors?

(3) Liken MMM to a large mansion where you have to pay the occupants some money before you are allowed entry into the house. Once you are allowed into the mansion, you have to wait for another stranger who has to pay you 30% + 100% of your money before he could be allowed to live with you. Most times one stranger may not be able to foot the bill. He is merged with one or more strangers to pay you. In other words, the sustainability and longevity of the scheme will rely on the number of new tenants and the amount the new tenants are bringing to the table ( as well as the willingness of old tenants to renew their rent). Will this huge Mansion one day collapse? Or more likely, will this huge mansion ,one day be deserted? Definitely! How? Read below.

(4) Who pays the old tenants? New tenants or old tenants who are willing to renew their rent pay the old tenants. Literally, if you provide help by paying a tenant, the same help will be reciprocated to you with 30 to 40% bonus for being a good kid.Will there be a situation where I will provide help and not receive? Yes.. in the event that new tenants stop coming. But what can really discourage new members from coming?

(a) When everybody have become tenants. In the very near and imminent future, this will be the case.

(b) When the mansion( scheme) has become old such that new tenants decide to look for other houses (schemes) with better offers ( MMM united, MMM japan MMM Illorin) leaving old members stranded in an a state of panic.

(c) when old tenants refuse to renew their rents and decide to rent a house( scheme) elsewhere

(d) when the money new tenants pay as rent is smaller than what the old members are waiting to be paid- Old members paid millions of Naira but new tenants are bringing peanuts because of the reason below.

(e) when there is fear and uncertainty. "Will they ever unfreeze mavrodi accounts after a month? is this an end time sign?" This will of course decrease "investors confidence" and will either make new tenants to stop coming, reduce how much that is being invested or make old tenants not to renew their rents.

(f) When old members, from their profit start building their own mansions in form of houses, cars , business- thus cutting the chances of reinvesting in the scheme which will invariably reduce the amount of money in circulation.
What will be the fate of old tenants waiting to be provided help? Your guess is as good as mine. Will this result to the crash of the scheme? Yes. How soon? I do not know. Why do I think MMM is not a helping scheme? Read below.

(5) As you have now known or previously knew, MMM will one day crash but the date, hour, minute, second is uncertain. What if it crashes? Will the totality of Nigerians be happy? A big No . Why? Let me make a simple illustration. Let's say at the point A,B,C,D paid to E,F,G,H , the system crashes. This will create equal amount of Joy and sorrow. In other words, we may even have more mourners than "merriers" in most cases where many people are merged to pay few persons grin

What have I achieved by writing this epistle?

a) I have established that MMM and similar schemes are not cast with steel. They will one day crash.

b) I have succeeded in establishing that MMM does not improve the generality of the population. Where you rob peter to pay Paul and create equal helpers and stranded 'beggars' does not imply help.

c)I have succeed in reducing your passion for ponzi schemes which is typical of productive nations. Let us be more creative, innovative and productive. MMM has really lead to brain drain in our agile youths.

Is it biblically, Quaranically, morally right to rob peter to pay Paul? Share your thoughts.


I invite Lalasticlala, mynd44 , Seun , Ishilov

- Soldierdollar-
Re: Why I Think MMM Is Not A "Helping" Scheme by Nobody: 4:52pm On Dec 13, 2016
lonelydora:
Biko, you guys should stop creating threads on this MMM, let's finish this our grieve. I just enter this MMM last week Friday after proving stubborn for 4 months

30%,10% referral bonus, $50 I no want again ooooo. All I'm asking for is my capital.



Dangote should just borrow us some part of his heart......He lost $4.6b and still breathing fine. Just ordinary freezing! People dey shout.




No be only capital , you go soon get state

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Re: Why I Think MMM Is Not A "Helping" Scheme by Samtexjohn2: 4:52pm On Dec 13, 2016
Ok
Re: Why I Think MMM Is Not A "Helping" Scheme by NathanBabs(m): 4:53pm On Dec 13, 2016
Ajiswaggs:
Lol....MMM wey Neva crash... See how dis stupid people who have know idea about it dey write upandan.... You guyz and suffering from brain problem... Since you can't understand simple message that was pass by MMM... I don't blame you, I blame seun and other idiots mod wey dey push dis for front-page..... If MMM crashed today....I won't blame MMM or fed govt but d participant of MMM who are also badmouthing it upandan....if we participant can defend dis fake stories upandan...den MMM will live long... Any mod wey ban me no go see 2017 insha allahu....walahi you can dare me...
ur ban nah til 2050 ooo grin grin grin
Re: Why I Think MMM Is Not A "Helping" Scheme by timibare(m): 4:54pm On Dec 13, 2016
Lol

Re: Why I Think MMM Is Not A "Helping" Scheme by MrGerald(m): 4:56pm On Dec 13, 2016
nothing happened to mmm, even earlier before you could withdraw your money it must go through freezing before ready for withdrawal, it's just this timewill last for one month.

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Re: Why I Think MMM Is Not A "Helping" Scheme by Nobody: 4:57pm On Dec 13, 2016
seXytOhbAd:
....... It is over....

Is MMM really a scam?

Like for yes OR share false?

People often say that MMM "helps" people, and there is no central account. Okay. But do you really need a central account to scam people?
Here is how MMM makes its money.

They create a database of accounts (Names, contact details, bank accounts) they cycle through for payment. Now these accounts are not regulated by any external individual . They are regulated only by the administrators of the scheme. So if after paying out for the first six months to nine months to generate "goodwill" and trust, they decide to slowly start keying in new account details of fronts operated by them, it won't be noticed. Remember, schemes like these depend on "new intakes" to cover up irregularities. It makes sense that they used Christmas time rush and also extra bonuses to milk the sheep. Genius scheme if you ask me.

So, do you think MMM is a scam? Like for yes, share for no


Exactly what I told a lot of people - just before it crashes , payouts will be made to accounts operated by these MMM officials. Other accounts will receive zilch and the curtains will be closed , clever isn't it.

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Re: Why I Think MMM Is Not A "Helping" Scheme by GabdelandAgro(m): 4:58pm On Dec 13, 2016
what a great post. anyway, am not against MMM, but those doing it should be careful, and use their brain. I personally believe in doing business to make money, not all these easy-way-out schemes or get-rich-quick schemes.

lastly, i dont do MMM, and I do not condemn MMM, also I refuse to believe MMM is demonic as some religious pastors have said, what has religion and spirituality got to do with a pyramid scheme. I tire for african pastors ooo
Re: Why I Think MMM Is Not A "Helping" Scheme by TBrenks(m): 4:59pm On Dec 13, 2016
neoapocalypse:




No be only capital , you go soon get state

grin grin grin
Re: Why I Think MMM Is Not A "Helping" Scheme by brandyex: 5:00pm On Dec 13, 2016
When u colleeted your money and in minute mmm crashed

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Re: Why I Think MMM Is Not A "Helping" Scheme by almustopha82(m): 5:00pm On Dec 13, 2016
MONEY MONKEY MADNESS

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Re: Why I Think MMM Is Not A "Helping" Scheme by CXLVII: 5:00pm On Dec 13, 2016
Can't even call a colleague who invested NGN1,000,000 right infront me last week friday. The worst parh is that he got a loan to invest in the crap

Guess he is in shock now

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Re: Why I Think MMM Is Not A "Helping" Scheme by olawalebiz100: 5:01pm On Dec 13, 2016
CHECK MY SIGNATURE FOR CCTV
Re: Why I Think MMM Is Not A "Helping" Scheme by philipobiz: 5:01pm On Dec 13, 2016
seXytOhbAd:
....... It is over....

Is MMM really a scam?

Like for yes OR share false?

People often say that MMM "helps" people, and there is no central account. Okay. But do you really need a central account to scam people?
Here is how MMM makes its money.

They create a database of accounts (Names, contact details, bank accounts) they cycle through for payment. Now these accounts are not regulated by any external individual . They are regulated only by the administrators of the scheme. So if after paying out for the first six months to nine months to generate "goodwill" and trust, they decide to slowly start keying in new account details of fronts operated by them, it won't be noticed. Remember, schemes like these depend on "new intakes" to cover up irregularities. It makes sense that they used Christmas time rush and also extra bonuses to milk the sheep. Genius scheme if you ask me.

So, do you think MMM is a scam? Like for yes, share for no
On point

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Re: Why I Think MMM Is Not A "Helping" Scheme by samuel19222(m): 5:01pm On Dec 13, 2016
I was drinking Hollandia yoghurt when someone called me to say that MMM has been frozen. Oboy, the Hollandia started testing like Alomo.
Re: Why I Think MMM Is Not A "Helping" Scheme by ayofag(m): 5:02pm On Dec 13, 2016
Nigerians with wrong impression due to misunderstanding of a simple statement. To all MMM participants, don't panic. All confirmed mavros that is now frozen for a month was originally two weeks. Meaning that from now on, btw now and 24hrs, all the confirmed mavro that is 30days will be matched for GH except the immature mavros. Initially, it was 14days but now one month. Allow your confirmed mavro to reach 30days and seek for GH. All accounts is frozen for now due to the information but btw now and thursday. You can seek for GH if you have reached one month.

MMM......making lives better
Re: Why I Think MMM Is Not A "Helping" Scheme by ecstasy37(m): 5:03pm On Dec 13, 2016
Sergey Panteleevich Mavrodi (Russian: Серге́й Пантелеевич Мавроди; born August 11, 1955) is a Russian ~criminal~ and a former deputy of the State Duma. He is the founder of the МММ series of pyramid schemes. In 2007 Sergei Mavrodi was found guilty in a Russian court of defrauding 10,000 investors out of 110 million rubles ($4.3 million).[1][2][3]

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Re: Why I Think MMM Is Not A "Helping" Scheme by Olubukola16(f): 5:08pm On Dec 13, 2016
Na greed dey kill our people, do once and comot but them no go hear. If you wanna do a thing like that, do something that you won't feel much even if you lose out eventually. Advocates of MMM, sorry o....... If you don't mind, check my signature...... it's very real!!!
Re: Why I Think MMM Is Not A "Helping" Scheme by HEADYWORLD: 5:08pm On Dec 13, 2016
News reaching me now is that, the number of ways to die has increased from 1000 to 1001.... Join MMM
Re: Why I Think MMM Is Not A "Helping" Scheme by PMIcon(m): 5:09pm On Dec 13, 2016
Seun:
Thanks for taking the time to write this out for us.
Why are you people misinforming the public.
Getting money from new tenants to pay old ones Did old tenants say they stopped putting money in.

I intentionally quoted you instead of replying the Op because you seem to allowing misinformation that will ruin the system while deleting posts that gives accurate information because of your bias.

Nobody said there is no risk, not even the sponsors. It's plain -- very obvious on their website. But they warned that people should treat MMM like charity rather than investment. They warned people not give any amount they can't afford to let go. What else should they do?

Greed and self-centeredness is the real risk. Nigerians who will not help a fellow Nigerian in need, are "ready" to risk money so they can get more back.

And nobody should say rubbish that it is not helping anybody. People are doing real businesses with what they get, taking care of their parents, paying school fees and just because someone is not comfortable with the issue of INTEREST he won't let proper information get to front page.

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Re: Why I Think MMM Is Not A "Helping" Scheme by jist2day: 5:10pm On Dec 13, 2016
??

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Re: Why I Think MMM Is Not A "Helping" Scheme by AbuSaad39(m): 5:11pm On Dec 13, 2016
My reaction presently.

Re: Why I Think MMM Is Not A "Helping" Scheme by 2tek: 5:11pm On Dec 13, 2016
MMM has come to stay in Nigeria. There is nothing anyone can do about that. Click like if u agree. Together we will change the world.

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Re: Why I Think MMM Is Not A "Helping" Scheme by Dam5reey(m): 5:12pm On Dec 13, 2016
Love for Money is the Root of all evil...

If you cant resist the temptation of MMM, I'm not sure you can make heaven... cheesy
Re: Why I Think MMM Is Not A "Helping" Scheme by BeeBeeOoh(m): 5:17pm On Dec 13, 2016
knightsTempler:
I was drinking Hollandia yoghurt when someone called me to say that MMM has been frozen. Oboy, the Hollandia started testing like Alomo...
My brother the thing strong gan

Re: Why I Think MMM Is Not A "Helping" Scheme by CarrotAndStick: 5:19pm On Dec 13, 2016
Seun and his team have been using Nairaland to spread dark rumours about MMM. I wonder how much he was bribed or what he stands to gain from this. I'll be the first person to shame all of you when the system kicks back to action come next month.





Till then...

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Re: Why I Think MMM Is Not A "Helping" Scheme by hustla(m): 5:24pm On Dec 13, 2016
haywire07:
Is it ur money?


Better move on
You never know as e dey go, ur money Don enter bush

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Re: Why I Think MMM Is Not A "Helping" Scheme by ophilly: 5:25pm On Dec 13, 2016
dunkem21:


It will now crash well because people will just be looking for ways to pull out their funds finally.

Hmmm, this is my reasoning too. The successful operation of MMM depends on the sustainability of peace of mind for participants. Right now, there is panic in the system and it is only natural for people to pull out their funds asap.

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Re: Why I Think MMM Is Not A "Helping" Scheme by PMIcon(m): 5:25pm On Dec 13, 2016
I've not put my money in MMM but this is misinformation. Did you even try to consult anyone participating at all? Before you receive anything you must first give and many people continue their participation.

You just wrote a long piece of cautious misinformation.
Re: Why I Think MMM Is Not A "Helping" Scheme by Nobody: 5:27pm On Dec 13, 2016
Truth be told there is nothing in life that doesnt have a measure of risk. Even doing business you can lose it all. Do you know how many times Donald trump has declared bankruptcy or how much dangote lost in profits this year. I see MMM has succor away from capitalists. If dangote's company takes a hit in profits, its always the workers that will suffer it. At worse he will declare that compnay bankrupt and keep enjoying the benefits of his other companies. He can even purposely drive some of his companies into bankruptcy like Donald trump has done in the past to make himself more money. Where is the fairness in that for those who have devoted their life and all their efforts and hopes in the company. While I dont participate in MMM, I believe the concept behind it is great. It has clearly shown us now that money itself as an instrument of exchange is a mere illusion of value. Look at it in terms of the mavro, cryptocurrency and the likes. GH and PH. Getting help. They are nothing. Meaningnless jargons yet have so much value in the MMM world. Same as stocks and shares. The value of something to others depends on how much value you personally place on it. My question for you is that do you value your country Nigeria, do you value your family, do you value your ideas, do you value yourself?

CC: Seun

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