I'm looking to build a 3 bedroom, four flat apartment in Ibadan. I already have the Architectural and Structural Drawing, but there has been no progress yet regarding the physical building. This is the first time I'm building, and I don't really know much beyond the little things. I've also read a lot NL threads, so I guess I got some ideas from there.

The problem I'm facing now is with starting the construction and the supervision of the process. It's not something I'm up for since I have no basic knowledge of it, and I want a properly built house (it's going to be rented out). The architect that drew the plan told me he also did supervision work (with the Structural Engineer's assistance) and took me to some of his previously supervised work, and one he's currently working on.

Although, I know it isn't really an Architect's work to Supervise a construction process, the fact that he's shown me he can handle it, coupled with the fact that I'm finding it hard to find an 'experienced', certified builder who will not overcharge me and also help build to taste was making my mind up (leaning the architect's way). I became even more confused, though when I decided to start with the fence. The architect asked the bricklayer to dig 2 ft deep, and that the blinding be 200 or 150 mm (was jargon to me then so I didn't interfere), the bricklayer however said that's not how it's done, touting his experience and old age. He said his standard metric was 1.5ft - depth, and 100mm blinding, which didn't work so well with A.

After the incidence, I tried asking around to see which of them was wrong, most saying 1.5 is standard (i.e, A is being too theoretical, thus being wasteful). I got more stories about architects being bad supervisors and over using materials trying to go by the book (tbh, I want something solid, but if the consequences of a minor 'not by the book' change is negligible, I need someone who'll consider it).

Afterwards, I tried searching for new builders, but none of them were certified or studied for it, so I felt they were no better than the architect in that case. I also believe since the architect drew the plan, he'd be an even better choice with the options I have now.

If you have any opinion or advice on how to proceed or any question to determine what to say, then shoot.

Disclaimer: I have a really thick skin. I'm happy to admit when and that I don't know something, even if it's just too obvious to you.

Bless Y'all and Merry Xmas in Advance.

Guy, that's the challenge with most bricklayers and artisans on site. They make a lot of assumptions based on experience from a previous job, which oftentimes is replete with errors, forgetting that the Architect is the creator of the current design and knows best what he was thinking while designing the building. Even if you get a certified builder, you will still need the Architect to do the overall supervision because, he is the chief consultant. The builder has to do his work to the architects specs. The reason most buildings collapse is people boycotting standards, which architects are trained to insist on. That is why some will tell you the architect is wasting material. That material you don't want to use now, you may have to destroy the building and start all over to correct the errors that will show up later. A typical example is when we advise clients to introduce damp proof membrane on the walls before pouring over site concrete and because of trying to save a few thousands, they go ahead and later the paint on the interior walls starts flaking and house starts smelling with maps on the wall, due to rising damp. I am sure you have seen such maps of Africa on the external walls of buildings around you. Those are the kinds of buildings your bricklayer is drawing experience from, which requires pulling down for a correction to be made because tiling the surfaces of such walls is only dealing with the external. If the foundation be destroyed, what can the righteous do? A word is enough for the wise.

I'm back with another question this time. So I asked a builder to work on a full quotation for the foundation of the plan, I was amazed when he came back and told me the plan had more pillars than necessary (50 columns). He said the building doesn't need more than 32 by his calculations. He brought me an estimate for the plan as is, but said 50 pillars wasn't necessary.

The building is 12963 by 29250. I can take a picture of the plan and upload it, but I'd like to know if 50 is truly excessive, or if this is just builders trying to cut corners. As much as I'd like to build a solid structure, I wouldn't want to waste anything unnecessarily.

I appreciate any input. Merry Xmas.

JohnIfie:
I'm back with another question this time. So I asked a builder to work on a full quotation for the foundation of the plan, I was amazed when he came back and told me the plan had more pillars than necessary (50 columns). He said the building doesn't need more than 32 by his calculations. He brought me an estimate for the plan as is, but said 50 pillars wasn't necessary.

The building is 12963 by 29250. I can take a picture of the plan and upload it, but I'd like to know if 50 is truly excessive, or if this is just builders trying to cut corners. As much as I'd like to build a solid structure, I wouldn't want to waste anything unnecessarily.

I appreciate any input. Merry Xmas.

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JohnIfie:
I'm looking to build a 3 bedroom, four flat apartment in Ibadan. I already have the Architectural and Structural Drawing, but there has been no progress yet regarding the physical building. This is the first time I'm building, and I don't really know much beyond the little things. I've also read a lot NL threads, so I guess I got some ideas from there.

The problem I'm facing now is with starting the construction and the supervision of the process. It's not something I'm up for since I have no basic knowledge of it, and I want a properly built house (it's going to be rented out). The architect that drew the plan told me he also did supervision work (with the Structural Engineer's assistance) and took me to some of his previously supervised work, and one he's currently working on.

Although, I know it isn't really an Architect's work to Supervise a construction process, the fact that he's shown me he can handle it, coupled with the fact that I'm finding it hard to find an 'experienced', certified builder who will not overcharge me and also help build to taste was making my mind up (leaning the architect's way). I became even more confused, though when I decided to start with the fence. The architect asked the bricklayer to dig 2 ft deep, and that the blinding be 200 or 150 mm (was jargon to me then so I didn't interfere), the bricklayer however said that's not how it's done, touting his experience and old age. He said his standard metric was 1.5ft - depth, and 100mm blinding, which didn't work so well with A.

After the incidence, I tried asking around to see which of them was wrong, most saying 1.5 is standard (i.e, A is being too theoretical, thus being wasteful). I got more stories about architects being bad supervisors and over using materials trying to go by the book (tbh, I want something solid, but if the consequences of a minor 'not by the book' change is negligible, I need someone who'll consider it).

Afterwards, I tried searching for new builders, but none of them were certified or studied for it, so I felt they were no better than the architect in that case. I also believe since the architect drew the plan, he'd be an even better choice with the options I have now.

If you have any opinion or advice on how to proceed or any question to determine what to say, then shoot.

Disclaimer: I have a really thick skin. I'm happy to admit when and that I don't know something, even if it's just too obvious to you.

Bless Y'all and Merry Xmas in Advance.

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JohnIfie:
I'm looking to build a 3 bedroom, four flat apartment in Ibadan. I already have the Architectural and Structural Drawing, but there has been no progress yet regarding the physical building. This is the first time I'm building, and I don't really know much beyond the little things. I've also read a lot NL threads, so I guess I got some ideas from there.

The problem I'm facing now is with starting the construction and the supervision of the process. It's not something I'm up for since I have no basic knowledge of it, and I want a properly built house (it's going to be rented out). The architect that drew the plan told me he also did supervision work (with the Structural Engineer's assistance) and took me to some of his previously supervised work, and one he's currently working on.

Although, I know it isn't really an Architect's work to Supervise a construction process, the fact that he's shown me he can handle it, coupled with the fact that I'm finding it too obvious to you.

Bless Y'all and Merry Xmas in Advance.

Who told you dat?

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mccoy47:


Who told you dat?

Forget structual engineers! It's thw architects job to ensure dat d builders precisely follow what is in black and white.

people should make comment on. what they really have knowledge about

For this era you must be don

Oga let's see your plan first then we will advise appropriately

OP go by the Architect standard.Don't compromise. Bricklayers are not formally trained to build, they learn through trial and error, so don't follow their advice bec they are mostly quack. I will advise to seek experts advice when working on your building project. They are here on Nairaland with good academic qualifications. OP consider those lives that may be lost if showdy job is done on that building. Don't be penny wise and Pound foolish. In the long run you may pay heavily for showdy job collapsed building.

lakesider:


people should make comment on. what they really have knowledge about

JohnIfie:
I'm looking to build a 3 bedroom, four flat apartment in Ibadan. I already have the Architectural and Structural Drawing, but there has been no progress yet regarding the physical building. This is the first time I'm building, and I don't really know much beyond the little things. I've also read a lot NL threads, so I guess I got some ideas from there.

The problem I'm facing now is with starting the construction and the supervision of the process. It's not something I'm up for since I have no basic knowledge of it, and I want a properly built house (it's going to be rented out). The architect that drew the plan told me he also did supervision work (with the Structural Engineer's assistance) and took me to some of his previously supervised work, and one he's currently working on.

Although, I know it isn't really an Architect's work to Supervise a construction process, the fact that he's shown me he can handle it, coupled with the fact that I'm finding it hard to find an 'experienced', certified builder who will not overcharge me and also help build to taste was making my mind up (leaning the architect's way). I became even more confused, though when I decided to start with the fence. The architect asked the bricklayer to dig 2 ft deep, and that the blinding be 200 or 150 mm (was jargon to me then so I didn't interfere), the bricklayer however said that's not how it's done, touting his experience and old age. He said his standard metric was 1.5ft - depth, and 100mm blinding, which didn't work so well with A.

After the incidence, I tried asking around to see which of them was wrong, most saying 1.5 is standard (i.e, A is being too theoretical, thus being wasteful). I got more stories about architects being bad supervisors and over using materials trying to go by the book (tbh, I want something solid, but if the consequences of a minor 'not by the book' change is negligible, I need someone who'll consider it).

Afterwards, I tried searching for new builders, but none of them were certified or studied for it, so I felt they were no better than the architect in that case. I also believe since the architect drew the plan, he'd be an even better choice with the options I have now.

If you have any opinion or advice on how to proceed or any question to determine what to say, then shoot.

Disclaimer: I have a really thick skin. I'm happy to admit when and that I don't know something, even if it's just too obvious to you.

Bless Y'all and Merry Xmas in Advance.

Haven't had 3 experiences in construction, I will advise you do not consider an architect for supervisory work. The best professional you can use for building construction are the builders. You can negotiate your pay and it is was always between the rate 7.5% and 10% of construction, finishing and any other work he handles. You can reach my engineer on 07069768989. He handled all my 3 buildings and even just completed one.

The depth for foundation of any building depends on the texture of the land and what is to be built on it. Regardless of the experiences of the artisans, they are still far below professional advise.

I wish you the best.

Make una help the guy for Open forum. Which one be pm me here and there. Or pay for advice?

@op, no follow anybody go corner go discuss. If they can't offer valuable information here so that we all can benefit, make dem carry their advice go. Chances are that you may be scammed once you begin to entertain/patronize these side talks. Scammers have their tentacles up already as e be like say this man wey ready to build house get plenty money.

Be wise!

The architect wanting you to excavate to that extent is very right. Did you say by book only, you will know his worth when things go wrong which I pray wouldn't happen. Architects are the chief builders and lords of any construction, those who know their importance dnt toy with them but if u blive an artisan over a professional then you are on a very long tin. Am an architect n wouldnt mind offering u some professional advice freely. #peace
I'm in Ibadan for now as well

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JohnIfie:
I'm looking to build a 3 bedroom, four flat apartment in Ibadan. I already have the Architectural and Structural Drawing, but there has been no progress yet regarding the physical building. This is the first time I'm building, and I don't really know much beyond the little things. I've also read a lot NL threads, so I guess I got some ideas from there.

The problem I'm facing now is with starting the construction and the supervision of the process. It's not something I'm up for since I have no basic knowledge of it, and I want a properly built house (it's going to be rented out). The architect that drew the plan told me he also did supervision work (with the Structural Engineer's assistance) and took me to some of his previously supervised work, and one he's currently working on.

Although, I know it isn't really an Architect's work to Supervise a construction process, the fact that he's shown me he can handle it, coupled with the fact that I'm finding it hard to find an 'experienced', certified builder who will not overcharge me and also help build to taste was making my mind up (leaning the architect's way). I became even more confused, though when I decided to start with the fence. The architect asked the bricklayer to dig 2 ft deep, and that the blinding be 200 or 150 mm (was jargon to me then so I didn't interfere), the bricklayer however said that's not how it's done, touting his experience and old age. He said his standard metric was 1.5ft - depth, and 100mm blinding, which didn't work so well with A.

After the incidence, I tried asking around to see which of them was wrong, most saying 1.5 is standard (i.e, A is being too theoretical, thus being wasteful). I got more stories about architects being bad supervisors and over using materials trying to go by the book (tbh, I want something solid, but if the consequences of a minor 'not by the book' change is negligible, I need someone who'll consider it).

Afterwards, I tried searching for new builders, but none of them were certified or studied for it, so I felt they were no better than the architect in that case. I also believe since the architect drew the plan, he'd be an even better choice with the options I have now.

If you have any opinion or advice on how to proceed or any question to determine what to say, then shoot.

Disclaimer: I have a really thick skin. I'm happy to admit when and that I don't know something, even if it's just too obvious to you.

Bless Y'all and Merry Xmas in Advance.

Dude, I'm going to be very direct -

1. Decide if u want a quality building or just a building
2. 100mm is not and will never be a foundation, its referred to as blinding, 225mm is even more appropriate
3. That the bricklayer is 100 years old and as built 100 houses doesn't make him right
4. 1.5ft deep foundation? wait till erosion shows you its too shallow; the books says 3ft but the Architect doing 2ft is considerate
5.

Although, I know it isn't really an Architect's work to Supervise a construction process,

- its obvious you've been talking to the wrong people - Architects are the team leaders and in-fact building rules says Architect MUST supervise all projects assisted by others.
6. The mistake you'll make is when you start listening to artisans over professional - especially when you have very little experience.


I'm not following so mention me if you have a query I shd see.
GOOD LUCK

nellend:
The architect wanting you to excavate to that extent is very right. Did you say by book only, you will know his worth when things go wrong which I pray wouldn't happen. Architects are the chief builders and lords of any construction, those who know their importance dnt toy with them but if u blive an artisan over a professional then you are on a very long tin. Am an architect n wouldnt mind offering u some professional advice freely. #peace

I think you,ve said it as it shd be.... I cant imagine saying 2ft is too deep, I wouldnt even recommend 2ft except while digging I notice the land is firm...

A question for you before any advice. Are you a Igbo? I mean do you belong to FLAT HEADS RACE?

JohnIfie:
I'm looking to build a 3 bedroom, four flat apartment in Ibadan. I already have the Architectural and Structural Drawing, but there has been no progress yet regarding the physical building. This is the first time I'm building, and I don't really know much beyond the little things. I've also read a lot NL threads, so I guess I got some ideas from there.

The problem I'm facing now is with starting the construction and the supervision of the process. It's not something I'm up for since I have no basic knowledge of it, and I want a properly built house (it's going to be rented out). The architect that drew the plan told me he also did supervision work (with the Structural Engineer's assistance) and took me to some of his previously supervised work, and one he's currently working on.

Although, I know it isn't really an Architect's work to Supervise a construction process, the fact that he's shown me he can handle it, coupled with the fact that I'm finding it hard to find an 'experienced', certified builder who will not overcharge me and also help build to taste was making my mind up (leaning the architect's way). I became even more confused, though when I decided to start with the fence. The architect asked the bricklayer to dig 2 ft deep, and that the blinding be 200 or 150 mm (was jargon to me then so I didn't interfere), the bricklayer however said that's not how it's done, touting his experience and old age. He said his standard metric was 1.5ft - depth, and 100mm blinding, which didn't work so well with A.

After the incidence, I tried asking around to see which of them was wrong, most saying 1.5 is standard (i.e, A is being too theoretical, thus being wasteful). I got more stories about architects being bad supervisors and over using materials trying to go by the book (tbh, I want something solid, but if the consequences of a minor 'not by the book' change is negligible, I need someone who'll consider it).

Afterwards, I tried searching for new builders, but none of them were certified or studied for it, so I felt they were no better than the architect in that case. I also believe since the architect drew the plan, he'd be an even better choice with the options I have now.

If you have any opinion or advice on how to proceed or any question to determine what to say, then shoot.

Disclaimer: I have a really thick skin. I'm happy to admit when and that I don't know something, even if it's just too obvious to you.

Bless Y'all and Merry Xmas in Advance.

bros,what you're experiencing now is what i foursth experienced in the field and it might get worse as the building progresses to decking level as concrete mix ratios start flying around but i would advise you to stick with the architect, he would surely use/waste more materials but it's likely only him can build that house exactly as designed. even if you get another architect, opinions might still vary.i would also advise you to upload clear copies of both the architectural and structural drawings. you would also have difference of opinions on iron reinforcements.

GoldCircle:
Make una help the guy for Open forum. Which one be pm me here and there. Or pay for advice?

@op, no follow anybody go corner go discuss. If they can't offer valuable information here so that we all can benefit, make dem carry their advice go. Chances are that you may be scammed once you begin to entertain/patronize these side talks. Scammers have their tentacles up already as e be like say this man wey ready to build house get plenty money.

Be wise!

I support your opinion on this. Many scammers on prowl insisting to be seen in camera! Na wa for this guys o! No monkey business here! period! pm me pm me , watsapp me etc rubbish

OP, be careful.

There are some people coming out on this thread that are not fit to build an outhouse.

In a building project, the builder, structural engineer, mechanical engineer, etc, are themselves supervised by the architect. Ideally they should meet with him to get approval for payment or changes on site. He is the one who protects the interest of the client.

Don't make the mistake of listening to artisans instead of professionals. Artisans may bring cheaper ideas based on experience but no two sites / projects are the same and the seemingly expensive option given by the architect may save you extra cost and headache tomorrow.

Hire a builder and let him run all his changes / suggestions through the architect. The builder supervises the site and the architect manages the builder.