KingEbukasBlog:


Hmmm brother John

The First Cause is God .

It does not need to be a certain way before it is accepted as God .

The certain way you are thinking maybe an old bearded guy sitting on the throne with emotions and all - that is called anthropomorphism .

Its just a way of giving God personal attributes to make It comprehensible to the human reader

Check this out : https://www.nairaland.com/3504236/xenophanes-criticism-anthropomorphism-vs-triune

dalaman:
Happy birthday bro johnydon22. Wishing you many good years ahead.

urchcoded:

Den, why must d chain be broken at d point where God has to come in... We could just break it anywhere dan dat

Nwanna i never chop much shaa... I wan prepare for church now... Lemme go and play the keyboard for dem @church...

Yea i still go to church

johnydon22:


Lol... The question was very straight sir and this does not answer the question one bit or address the basis of its logic or do you want me to break it down further?

Anyway that's ok i understand, anybody else care to help?

dalaman:


Allah and Yahweh are the same.supreme beings? How?

KingEbukasBlog:


Let me put it is straight to you , its an illogical question . That was all I was trying to tell you .

johnydon22:


Thank you

hahn:


Where is the rice and chicken and beer and weed na?

Today happens to be my wedding anniversary too. If to say we dey close we for flex together

johnydon22:
So can we then put it that whatever it is that was self existent is God or must this self existent thing be special in a particular way in order to be referred to as God?

KingEbukasBlog:


The same supreme Being bro , just different concepts that seam conflicting .

dalaman:


In your opinion right?

niyihawking:

so, who told you all these lies
have you been to the second heaven before,to know that their is a third one?

I hate engaging scientifically unsound people

if the sun is blocking the third heaven, what heaven is Sirius(the brightest star in the night sky) then?, the 7th heaven?.....I pity your ignorance
I can bet you don't even know that the sun is one of the stars in the sky(there are bigger ones)

you even talking as if the sun is a fence guiding a property.

don't ever mention me again as I can tolerate engaging a deluded mind, it pieces me off, only an animal can say this.

KingEbukasBlog:


Alright then

You claimed different concepts of God was created by the elites to control the masses . And I asked you to show me which masses the deistic concept of God is supposed to control . And I also reminded you that the classical deists were no elites .

So please respond

urchcoded:
Before u call me an idiot, i did believe in God but I'm not sure i believe now until someone or he somehow show me dat he actually exists... Any way i was discussing with some die hard Christian... Told her God don't exist. She asked me who created d world i replied i'on know she said is God. I asked who den created God she said she doesn't know... So dis is my opinion....

The first man now sits on the floor looking at the fire he made from stones, the shelter he made from Wood, the cloths he made from plants... But now says to him self who now made the flowers, the sky, the seas, he is very sure it is someone like him but just more powerful, more wise and more everything he(man) is so he said it must be God. Hence it would be only reasonable to say man created God in his own image.... And not the other way round... *thanks*

johnydon22:
my bae dey come my house, goan celebrate by yourself cus i'm not going anywhere today at all

johnydon22:
expatiate.... Lets see

ScepticalPyrrho:
Belief is only required when a thing is not evidential.
I wont say I believe there is sun or moon, they are evidently obvious.

KingEbukasBlog:


Brother Hahn . Personal attacks are certainly unnecessary . I've stopped trolling by the way.

I'm sure you haven't seen me personally attack someone for a long time

Seun:
This video, titled "The thing that made the things for which there is no known maker" illustrates your points very well:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IVbnciQYMiM

However, based on the little I've read people didn't start up by inventing God. Monotheism is actually a recent phenomenon in human history. People started out by worshipping powerful things in nature like the sun, moon, thunder, etc. Then they came up with the concept of gods that control different aspects of their lives, such as gods of war (Yahweh of the bible and Ogun of the Yorubas) and goddesses of fertility. They offered sacrifices to the gods that were responsible for the type of blessings that they needed. Then they developed the concept of a hierarchy among the gods, with one god being recognized as the leader of the other gods and the first god to have existed. For the Hebrews this was known as Elohim, and for Yorubas this was Eledumare/Olorun/Olofi (a kind of trinity I guess).

At some point in history, some Jewish followers of Yahweh who were linked to a king came to believe that their god of war was the top god and the Israelites were his chosen people. With the king's support, they decided that no other god should be worshipped in Israel. But the Israelites already had a body of literature based on the idea of a pantheon of gods including Yahweh with Elohim as the leader, so they had to rewrite their literature to fit the idea of Yahweh as the god of Israel. They altered some of the existing stories an added theirs, but they didn't do it perfectly. So in Genesis, there are two stories of the origin of man, and God is referred to as Elohim many times. So when God says "let us do X" in Genesis, that was Elohim, the head of the gods, addressing the other lesser gods, such as Yahweh. And Baal, by the way.

Somewhere along the line followers of Yahweh became convinced that not only was the god of Israel the most powerful god in the world, a notion based on ethnic pride, he was also the only true god in the world. All other gods were false gods. Thus, God was born. We know that Yahweh wasn't always considered as God because there are verses of the bible that entertain the notion of other gods. E.g. stuff like "who is like unto thee, O Yahweh, among the gods, who is like thee?" Btw, Yahweh was a jealous god, so it was totally ok to kill anybody who worshipped a different god, whether they were foreigners whose land the Israelites wanted or fellow Israelites who dared to worship Baal.

Monotheism is an intolerant concept born of tribalism, arrogance, and a desire to justify acts of violence against worshippers of other gods.

Note: This is my current understanding but I most certainly got some of the details wrong. Later I will recheck and correct the wrong parts.

Seun:
This video, titled "The thing that made the things for which there is no known maker" illustrates your points very well:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IVbnciQYMiM

However, based on the little I've read people didn't start up by inventing God. Monotheism is actually a recent phenomenon in human history. People started out by worshipping powerful things in nature like the sun, moon, thunder, etc. Then they came up with the concept of gods that control different aspects of their lives, such as gods of war (Yahweh of the bible and Ogun of the Yorubas) and goddesses of fertility. They offered sacrifices to the gods that were responsible for the type of blessings that they needed. Then they developed the concept of a hierarchy among the gods, with one god being recognized as the leader of the other gods and the first god to have existed. For the Hebrews this was known as Elohim, and for Yorubas this was Eledumare/Olorun/Olofi (a kind of trinity I guess).

At some point in history, some Jewish followers of Yahweh who were linked to a king came to believe that their god of war was the top god and the Israelites were his chosen people. With the king's support, they decided that no other god should be worshipped in Israel. But the Israelites already had a body of literature based on the idea of a pantheon of gods including Yahweh with Elohim as the leader, so they had to rewrite their literature to fit the idea of Yahweh as the god of Israel. They altered some of the existing stories an added theirs, but they didn't do it perfectly. So in Genesis, there are two stories of the origin of man, and God is referred to as Elohim many times. So when God says "let us do X" in Genesis, that was Elohim, the head of the gods, addressing the other lesser gods, such as Yahweh. And Baal, by the way.

Somewhere along the line followers of Yahweh became convinced that not only was the god of Israel the most powerful god in the world, a notion based on ethnic pride, he was also the only true god in the world. All other gods were false gods. Thus, God was born. We know that Yahweh wasn't always considered as God because there are verses of the bible that entertain the notion of other gods. E.g. stuff like "who is like unto thee, O Yahweh, among the gods, who is like thee?" Btw, Yahweh was a jealous god, so it was totally ok to kill anybody who worshipped a different god, whether they were foreigners whose land the Israelites wanted or fellow Israelites who dared to worship Baal.

Monotheism is an intolerant concept born of tribalism, arrogance, and a desire to justify acts of violence against worshippers of other gods.

Note: This is my current understanding but I most certainly got some of the details wrong. Later I will recheck and correct the wrong parts.

Richirich713:


Believe just means accepting something to be true.

urchcoded:
Before u call me an idiot, i did believe in God but I'm not sure i believe now until someone or he somehow show me dat he actually exists... Any way i was discussing with some die hard Christian... Told her God don't exist. She asked me who created d world i replied i'on know she said is God. I asked who den created God she said she doesn't know... So dis is my opinion....

The first man now sits on the floor looking at the fire he made from stones, the shelter he made from Wood, the cloths he made from plants... But now says to him self who now made the flowers, the sky, the seas, he is very sure it is someone like him but just more powerful, more wise and more everything he(man) is so he said it must be God. Hence it would be only reasonable to say man created God in his own image.... And not the other way round... *thanks*

BaEnki:


Okay,
Firstly I never mentioned masses, I said frail minds, unless you think that's what I meant, or that frail minds equates masses.
So having said that, by asking that which masses the destic concept of God suppose to control, I believe that we are on the same term that God is just a concept, moreover the elites I was referring were not deist, rather a theist. Sorry this is coming late, I have been busy here.

ogologoamu:
@ op, why is it that no human even scientists with their sophisticated gadgets have been able to travel to the sun and come back alive?.

KingEbukasBlog:


Please no one should pay attention to this

What kind of repugnant assumptions are these

Monotheism started with urreligion which was monotheistic in nature and it was the first form of religion

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Urreligion

Judaism has made it clear anthropomorphic characteristics were given to God - God is not a person .

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Personal_god#Judaism

Here is a thread explaining that God is not limited to religion

https://www.nairaland.com/3500235/must-read-god-without-religion

Seun:

I'm baffled by the nonsensicality of your confident response to my post. Nothing you have posted actually has anything to do with anything.

KingEbukasBlog:


The four arguments for the existence of God

1. The Cosmological Argument

2. The Moral argument

3. The Teleological Argument

4. Ontological Argument

With these , it can be deduced beyond doubt that God exists .

Ps: Infinite regress does not explain anything and its the atheist's resort when a logical necessity which is the First Cause eludes him .

It is absolutely logical that something Self existent (God) caused other things to exist . It also been proven the universe is one big effect and not a cause .

KingEbukasBlog:


This is false and here is the real story :

http://www.reformjudaism.org/exodus-not-fiction