SHALOM!

Ken4Christ:
Pastor Kumuyi message is a timely one. I see nothing wrong with every single line of his message. I am not a member of Deeper life and I don't even agree with a few of their doctrines but this message is on track.

Sexual promiscuity is already on the increase even amongst professing believers.

People no longer endure sound doctrines but they love to attend Churches where they are told what they want to hear.

Please, those of you criticizing this message, give your scriptural perspective on every single line you do not agree with.

Only those who want to continue in their sinful ways will criticize this message.

The Message is NOT "on-track."

I shall, as requested, give a BREAK-DOWN of what is wrong with it.

*PASTOR W. F. KUMUYI MESSAGE TO THE CHURCHES*

0. This is not consistent with W.F. KUMUYI'S known ministerial style.

I slept around 10:20pm, not quite long after laying on the bed, I heard God calling Me Audibly So I Woke Up. When I Checked My Time, It Was 11:30P.M. Suddenly, I Felt The Urge To Pray So I Left The Bedroom To The sitting room & started Praying._

1. When these people say "THEY PRAY," they NEVER tell us the MAGIC METHOD OF PRAYING that leads to a VISION.

Everyone else has to BLUNDER ABOUT, and HOPE that they STRIKE OIL someday.

Whereas he is quite free with unnecessary details about when he slept, when he woke- which are unimportant- but not how he prayed- which is very important!

_All Of A Sudden, My Eyes Opened And I Was In Another Realm. I Saw An Array Of Ladies Both Young And Old, Very Beautiful, Coming From The Sea Side. And I Asked God; Who Are These?_ And He Said, _*"These Are Marine Spirits That Have Been Commissioned By The Devil To Drag Many To The Kingdom Of Darkness. His Time Is Almost Up And He Has Vowed To Cause Many To Fall"*_. I Asked, Why Women? He Responded, _*"They Are Not Really Women But Are Evil Spirits That Have Taken A Feminine Form."*_

_So I Asked; What Is Their Mission And He Said, See! All Of A Sudden I Saw, People Having Sex. What Amazed Me Was That Some Were Having Sex By The Wayside, Some In Bushes, Some On Beaches, Some In Offices And In Open Places. So, I Asked Why?_ And He Said _*"These Are Sent To Spread Lust And Cause Many To Fall Into The Sin Of Fornication."*_ He Said, *"Very Soon, Fornication Will Be Legalized."*

*"The Spirits Are Meant To Befriend Many Young Ladies, Show Them Care And Eventually Initiate Them To Be Used By The Enemy."* _I Saw Many Young Ladies. Unsuspecting Ladies Being Initiated And As Soon As They Were Initiated, They Had An Insatiable Desire For Sex._

_I Also Saw Sugar Mummies Luring Young Men With Money And Cars. Right After Sleeping With Them, They Are Gone._

_I Saw New Dresses Being Introduced. Dresses That Expose All Parts Of The Body. In Fact, I Saw A Very Fair Lady That Was Almost Naked. About 3 Quarter Of Her Breast Was Exposed And The Dress She Wore Was Very Transparent That One Could Virtually See Her unclothedness. Then I Saw Many People Buying These Dresses; Skimpy Short Skirts And Transparent Leggings And Blouses That Expose The Cleavage. Bleaching Of The Skin Was On The Rise. I Saw Them Pouring Potions On The Eye To Lure Men With Their Eyes_.

*"Tell The Church To Watch"*, He Said. *"They Will Try To Enter The Church, Target Pastors And Members, Especially From Choirs."* _I Saw Members Of The Church Being Possessed And Sleeping With Each Other_.

_*Amazingly,*_ _I Saw Two Ladies In A Particular Choir That Were Lesbians. Then I Saw Men Of God Sleeping With Members. Some Slept With Members Before They Mounted Pulpits._

_I Saw That Pastors Are Battling Within Because There Is Not Just A Crack But An Opening On The Wall. Satan Has Entered Their Lives. Some Were Caught In The Web Of Pornography And Masturbation._

_In Fact, I Saw A Particular Pastor Watching Pornography And Masturbating In His Room. To Him The Room Was Locked And He Thought No One Was Seeing Him But I Saw That The Wall To His Room Facing The Public Was Broken And People Were Watching Him Without His Knowledge. And God Said To Me_ *"Whatever Is Being Done In Secret Is Already Open."*

_I Also Saw Women Becoming Unsubmissive And Disrespectful To Their Husbands And This Act Frustrated Husbands To Fall Prey To These Spirits When They Left Home._

_I Saw Many Being Manipulated Through Food And Clothes. And I Saw Many Chains As Well. And He Said To Me,_ *"These Are Chains Of Addiction That Has Kept Many People In Sexual Bondage."*

_Some Women Were Showering Enchanted Gifts To Pastors And Were Gradually Changing Their Status._

*"Tell My People To Stay Within The Boundaries Of My Word. Let Them Not Depart From Them. Tell Them To Watch And Pray. Let Them Be Focused On Me And This Will Help Them Avoid Every Distraction Of The Enemy."*

BITTER TRUTH: -
Believed It Or Not, Accept It Or Not.
You Can Be In Deeper Life Bible Church And Your Life Can Still Be Shallow And Deep In Sin.*_

_*You Can Attend The Redeemed Christian Church Of God And Yet Your Life Remains Unredeemed.*_

_*You Can Be A Member Of Winner's Chapel And Still Be A Slave Of Sin, Fulfilling All It's Lusts Till You Die.*_

_*You Can Be In Mountain Of Fire Ministries And Your Life Is Still In The Valley Of Lukewarmness And Spiritual Coldness.*_

_*You Can Be Among The Salvation Army And Still Suffer Defeat; Not Knowing What It Means To Be Saved From Sin*_.

_*You Can Be In Christ Embassy And Still Be Working Directly As Satan's Immoral Ambassador In His Evil Embassy.*_

_*You Can Be In Dunamis And Yet You Remain Powerless Spiritually, Lacking Basic Grace!*_

_*You Can Attend The Lord's Chosen Church And Yet Be Among The Rejected Many.*_

_*You Can Speak In Tongues And Miss Heaven.*_

_*You Can "Win Souls" And Miss Heaven.*_

_*You Can See Vision And Miss Heaven*_.

_*You Can Cast Out Devil And Miss Heaven.*_

_*You Can Perform Miracles And Still Miss Heaven.*_

_*You Can Read The Whole Bible And Miss Heaven.*_

_*You Can Attend All Fellowship Activities And Camp meetings And Miss Heaven.*_

_*You Can Have Anointing And Miss Heaven*_.

_*You Can Have All Spiritual Gifts And Miss Heaven*_.

_You Can Wield Power And Unction And Still Miss Heaven._

_*But You CANNOT Live A HOLY LIFE AND MISS HEAVEN....*_

_*HOLINESS IS THE REAL DEAL !*_

_Thanks For Your Attention._
_Forwarding This Post Is Evangelism_.
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oaroloye, you didn't make any point as to what is wrong with Pastor Kumuyi vision experience. I expected you to use Scriptures to counter his claims.

If he mentioned the time of the vision and what he was doing when the vision came, what is wrong about it?

When Peter saw a vision, look at the narration;

Acts 10:9 - 11.
9 On the morrow, as they went on their journey, and drew nigh unto the city, Peter went up upon the housetop to pray about the sixth hour:

10 And he became very hungry, and would have eaten: but while they made ready, he fell into a trance,

11 And saw heaven opened, and a certain vessel descending unto him, as it had been a great sheet knit at the four corners, and let down to the earth.

The time of the vision was mentioned.

The event before the vision was also mentioned. Peter was about to eat.

It was stated he also prayed and details of the prayers was not mentioned.

There is nothing wrong with Kumuyi experience and the exhortations that followed.

His mention of different Churches is just a way of telling us that the ticket to heaven is not about the Church you belong to. Yes, you must identify with a local church but if you do not live a life consistent with the word of God, you will not make it.

SHALOM!

Ken4Christ:
oaroloye, you didn't make any point as to what is wrong with Pastor Kumuyi vision experience. I expected you to use Scriptures to counter his claims.

I am just getting started.

I have a life outside these Forums, you know.

If he mentioned the time of the vision and what he was doing when the vision came, what is wrong about it?

It is an oratory device to embellish the idea that this vision actually happened.

The author dies not really care that we know what time he slept or woke.

We are given these trivial facts, but not important facts.

When Peter saw a vision, look at the narration;

Acts 10:9 - 11.

9 On the morrow, as they went on their journey, and drew nigh unto the city, Peter went up upon the housetop to pray about the sixth hour:

10 And he became very hungry, and would have eaten: but while they made ready, he fell into a trance,

11 And saw heaven opened, and a certain vessel descending unto him, as it had been a great sheet knit at the four corners, and let down to the earth.

The time of the vision was mentioned.

The event before the vision was also mentioned. Peter was about to eat.

It was stated he also prayed and details of the prayers was not mentioned.

THE ISLAMIC FORGERY, "THE GOSPEL OF BARNABAS" HAS YAHSHUA RETORT:

"Every Evil perpetrated in the World is justified by Sinners on the excuse that SOME ELDER DID IT FIRST!"

That comment is nearly funny, and almost true.

If it were a value point, we should be unable to discern Good from Evil.

If the Acts narration were relevant, we should also cut off people's ears, because "SAINT" PETER did it once?

THE BIBLE IS STUFFED WITH POOR NARRATION.

However, that is an obstacle to UNBELIEVERS and HYPOCRITES- but NOT True Worshippers of YAHWEH GOD, Who reveals to us ANY details of any VAGUELY-ALLUDED-TO incident.

If you people knew how to read, you would know about this.

I attempted to disseminate that Knowledge, but it seems you people are too Self-Important, Proud, Arrogant, and, above all, COWARDLY, to learn. You believe that you can dictate to God whom He can send to rescue you, and how that rescue is implemented.

There is nothing wrong with Kumuyi experience and the exhortations that followed.

If you see nothing wring with the vision or the exhortations, EITHER they must be PERFECT, or else YOU are BLIND.

Which is more likely?

In any event, NEITHER "WILLIAMS KUMUYI" nor" WILLIAM KUMUYI" teach HOW TO READ, neither HOW TO DUPLICATE HIS VISIONS AND DREAMS, and SEE THEM FOR OURSELVES- which is what they would do, IF GOD TRULY SENT THEM.

THOUSANDS OF YEARS AGO THE SCRIPTURES TAUGHT THE EXAMPLES OF JOSEPH AND DANIEL- AND YOU BLOCKHEADS LOOK ON AS IF I WERE TALKING GIBBERISH, BECAUSE I TEACH HOW TO DO THAT?

His mention of different Churches is just a way of telling us that the ticket to heaven is not about the Church you belong to. Yes, you must identify with a local church but if you do not live a life consistent with the word of God, you will not make it.

HOW DO YOU KNOW ALL OF THE INTENTIONS OF THE AUTHOR- WERE YOU THE AUTHOR? (Not impossible.)

It is a RANT against THE LEADING FULL GOSOEL PENTECOSTAL CHURCHES, condemning membership of them BY INNUENDO, without IDENTIFYING A SINGLE THING WRONG WITH THEM!

Contrast that with REVELATION 2-3.

YAHSHUA, speaking by JOHN, gave an INCISIVE ANALYSIS of EXACTLY what was wrong with THE SEVEN LEVELS OF CHURCHES.

The supposed vision of W.F. KUMUYI does NOTHING to HELP the Church.

THAT IS "SOMETHING WRONG WITH IT" RIGHT THERE!

Are you saying that you STILL do not SEE that?