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Are Sub-saharan Africans Intellectually Inferior To Other Races? by Nobody: 10:52am On May 15, 2017 |
Are sub-saharan Africans intellectually inferior on the average to other races? If we accede to the fact that intelligence is heritable and we also agree that the environment places certain constraints on the individuals living within that environment, and these constraints influence the evolution of these individuals, then why can't we agree that intelligence should vary among human populations who evolved in different environments? Why do we oppose any claim that asserts the superiority or inferiority of a certain race in comparison to another race, when obviously they evolved in unique environments with unique constraints? If we agree that natural selection is the vehicle that has driven genetic and phenotypical disparities evident in different races, why then do we oppose views that assert the disparities in intelligence, given the fact that intelligence has genetic underpinnings? 3 Likes 5 Shares |
Re: Are Sub-saharan Africans Intellectually Inferior To Other Races? by Nobody: 11:04am On May 15, 2017 |
I recently had an argument with Sarassin and this was part of my argument. There are observable, comparable variations in the expression of various traits noticeable in different races and regions of the world. Are east Africans better at long distance running than every other region in this world? Yes. Do black Africans make better athletes than every other race in the world? Yes. Do the South Americans, Portuguese and Spanish make better skillful footballers than every other region in the world? Yes. 11 Likes 3 Shares |
Re: Are Sub-saharan Africans Intellectually Inferior To Other Races? by Nobody: 11:13am On May 15, 2017 |
Why isn't anyone saying anything? You all agree with me? 1 Like |
Re: Are Sub-saharan Africans Intellectually Inferior To Other Races? by Nobody: 11:16am On May 15, 2017 |
More of my arguments. My evidence for the intellectual inferiority of the black race is in the image the black race unabashedly portrays. It's evident in it's history and in its current state. 8 Likes 5 Shares |
Re: Are Sub-saharan Africans Intellectually Inferior To Other Races? by Nobody: 11:31am On May 15, 2017 |
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Re: Are Sub-saharan Africans Intellectually Inferior To Other Races? by ifenes(m): 11:36am On May 15, 2017 |
Trudax: Question: have you ever been outside Africa? 6 Likes |
Re: Are Sub-saharan Africans Intellectually Inferior To Other Races? by Nobody: 11:39am On May 15, 2017 |
ifenes: I have, but how is this question relevant to the argument? 1 Like |
Re: Are Sub-saharan Africans Intellectually Inferior To Other Races? by ifenes(m): 11:49am On May 15, 2017 |
Trudax: Perhaps it might be. Sometimes it is necessary to see how the sub Saharan black performs in a particular field when brought up in a favourable environment. All humans have the same level of intelligence as far I have seen. In my college years I was one of the few blacks in the class and we were excellent. I don't see the point of this self degrading discussion. 11 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: Are Sub-saharan Africans Intellectually Inferior To Other Races? by Nobody: 11:54am On May 15, 2017 |
Omohayek, I would like your views on this question. |
Re: Are Sub-saharan Africans Intellectually Inferior To Other Races? by Nobody: 11:58am On May 15, 2017 |
There is no relationship between intelligence and ethnicities. If any person is exposed to knowledge, he could be and if he/she isn't, then he/she couldn't. 5 Likes |
Re: Are Sub-saharan Africans Intellectually Inferior To Other Races? by Nobody: 12:10pm On May 15, 2017 |
Trudax: And this formed a part of my reply to you; Sarassin: Good luck with this. 2 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: Are Sub-saharan Africans Intellectually Inferior To Other Races? by Nobody: 12:11pm On May 15, 2017 |
ifenes: How can you claim all humans have the same intelligence when we evidently differ in every other expressable trait? If there are genes that control every other trait, couldn't it be that there are genes that control intelligence and some races tend to have more highly evolved forms of these genes and possess it in greater number among their population? But your FEW black classmates are just a minority in respect to the entire black population. How can you use their example as a conclusive proof to make the assertion that every race has the same intelligence? The Chinese outperform every other race irrespective of their environment. And their performance also corresponds with the results of IQ tests which blacks tend to underperform other races on the average. I think the culture, structure and environment of a large group of individuals, is a more reliable way of evaluating variables such as intelligence. That's why in my argument against Sarassin, I used the the history and present situation of sub-saharan Africa to illustrate my point. I don't think this is a self degrading question. I think it's one of the problems underlying sub-saharan Africa's underdevelopment and why it's lagging behind in various areas, and acknowledging it, is the first step at mitigating this problem. 4 Likes 3 Shares |
Re: Are Sub-saharan Africans Intellectually Inferior To Other Races? by Nobody: 1:03pm On May 15, 2017 |
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Re: Are Sub-saharan Africans Intellectually Inferior To Other Races? by Nobody: 1:20pm On May 15, 2017 |
Cc Catfishbilly, hardmirror, Hahn, Jackbizzle, johnydon22, plaetton, loj, dalaman, deepsight, I would appreciate your comments on this thread. |
Re: Are Sub-saharan Africans Intellectually Inferior To Other Races? by Probz(m): 1:33pm On May 15, 2017 |
bigfrancis21 does best on these kind of threads. |
Re: Are Sub-saharan Africans Intellectually Inferior To Other Races? by ooman(m): 1:34pm On May 15, 2017 |
Trudax: I dont think you have data concerning genes that code for intelligence. When you do, you can make your conclusion. For now, intelligence is like a memory stick, only those with data are useful, no matter there capacity. Hope you understand why your argument is wrong. 4 Likes |
Re: Are Sub-saharan Africans Intellectually Inferior To Other Races? by hahn(m): 1:40pm On May 15, 2017 |
Let me book space first and then reason the matter This is a very delicate issue |
Re: Are Sub-saharan Africans Intellectually Inferior To Other Races? by Nobody: 1:46pm On May 15, 2017 |
ooman: There has not been data concerning the genes that control intelligence because people like you and Sarassin and all politically correct academics and so called liberals, strongly oppose and stifle the efforts of anyone who asks these kind of questions. My argument is from observation, which I laid out in my first two posts, and it's strongly supported by various IQ tests that have been conducted globally, which there is enough data for. 1 Like |
Re: Are Sub-saharan Africans Intellectually Inferior To Other Races? by plaetton: 1:47pm On May 15, 2017 |
Trudax: Hhhhmmm. It's difficult to honestly answer this question without appearing self-deprecating. Going by the letter of the question, my answer is yes( and many will come for my head). Intellectually inferior in the sense that we , our entire cultural setups are somewhat impediments to intellectual exploration and expansion. Our intellectual shortcomings are by NO means, and let me emphasize it, BY No means genetic, but due to accumulated and entrenched cultural/religious norms and habits. N:B And let me emphasize that I personally make a distinction between intelligence and intellectual expression. The difference between the two are culture. Every human is embued with intelligence. Intellectualism is the expression of that innate intelligence. Some cultures foster the expression of intelligence, intellectualism, while many cultures, such as we have in subsahara Africa, impedes the expression of that innate intelligence. I hope the above makes some sense. I am not even sure it does. 11 Likes 7 Shares |
Re: Are Sub-saharan Africans Intellectually Inferior To Other Races? by CatfishBilly: 1:52pm On May 15, 2017 |
I don't think any race is inherently superior to the other intellectually. Even the flawed pseudoscience of phrenology failed to establish this. 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Are Sub-saharan Africans Intellectually Inferior To Other Races? by Nobody: 1:54pm On May 15, 2017 |
plaetton: Isn't the act of consciously repeatedly setting up impediments to intellectual exploration and expansion a marker of unintelligence, especially among the majority who create these impediments? Why do you think they aren't genetic when we know that smart parents give birth to smart kids? Also, since behaviors and physical traits are heritable, hence genetic, why is intelligence any different? 4 Likes |
Re: Are Sub-saharan Africans Intellectually Inferior To Other Races? by Nobody: 2:00pm On May 15, 2017 |
CatfishBilly: I think Caucasians would disagree with you. They have established that east Asians are intellectually superior to them. Their level of academic performance on the average proves this, their average statistical IQ scores proves this, and the current state of east Asians countries and the advances they have made economically, scientifically and technologically proves this. Please answer this question: Are east Africans, that is Kenyans and Ethiopians, better at long distance running? |
Re: Are Sub-saharan Africans Intellectually Inferior To Other Races? by ooman(m): 2:00pm On May 15, 2017 |
Trudax: Its not about the question asked, the question is valid. It's about the truth of the answers. There is no genetic database nor standard for intelligence that can be compared which can lead to conclusions that whites are smarter. Again, not all whites are smart, its just that their works are propagated than ours. There are also exceptional inventors, doctors, writers etc from Africa who are recognized worldwide. Your argument would have some validity if all non africans are smarter than all Africans 1 Like |
Re: Are Sub-saharan Africans Intellectually Inferior To Other Races? by Nobody: 2:10pm On May 15, 2017 |
ooman: IQ tests are a standard. I am not saying they are the best standard that could ever be created, but their results are highly predictive of aspects of intelligence that encompass the ability to learn, to think critically, to decipher complex problems and abstract reasoning. It's no surprise that geniuses like Albert Einstein, Steven Hawkins and Steven Weinberg, score higher that majority of the world's population. According to IQ tests, East Asians score higher on the average, not even Caucasians. So I don't even know where you are getting the idea that I am suggesting that whites are intellectually superior to other races. |
Re: Are Sub-saharan Africans Intellectually Inferior To Other Races? by plaetton: 2:11pm On May 15, 2017 |
Trudax: There has been a long scientific debate about nature vs nurture. NATURE gives you, everyone, certain dispositions. But NURTURE( social/ cultural environment) can either foster or impede the expression of these dispositions. Our social/ cultural setup impedes the intellectual potential. Just look at Nigeria, for example, country that produces the best in almost Field of human endeavor the Diaspora, but has very serious, very chronic intellectual dearth back home, with everyone, old and young , still beholden to stone age superstitions from the middle East, embracing and hugging them as if they were our very own. Look at our educational setup back home ,where my child's biology teacher, rather than taking and tasking her , step by step, on the wonder of photosynthesis, would rather the young minds that god is responsible for photosynthesis. Or the 90 or so religious fellowships at kingebukasblog Delta State university. Can you see that as with our forefathers, so it is today or even worse on the continual war against intellectualism in our society. The African mind is rewired to be anti intellectual right from childhood. Look at how many charlatans like Adeboye, Oyedepo, Mbaka there are in every nook and corner of Nigeria promoting magical thinking, an open war against intellectualism. 11 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: Are Sub-saharan Africans Intellectually Inferior To Other Races? by ooman(m): 2:19pm On May 15, 2017 |
Trudax: Do u know blacks outside Africa also score higher in such tests. Do u know iq test is not the conclusive test for intelligence? Do you know that not all who score higher in such test are exceptional in logic and science? You need to make more research about iq test and its place in intelligence. There's more to intelligence than such tests. 2 Likes |
Re: Are Sub-saharan Africans Intellectually Inferior To Other Races? by ooman(m): 2:20pm On May 15, 2017 |
Plaetton, Deepsight, long time. |
Re: Are Sub-saharan Africans Intellectually Inferior To Other Races? by plaetton: 2:22pm On May 15, 2017 |
ooman:Yeah Man, longest time. Nice to see ya again. |
Re: Are Sub-saharan Africans Intellectually Inferior To Other Races? by ooman(m): 2:23pm On May 15, 2017 |
plaetton: Just passing by... |
Re: Are Sub-saharan Africans Intellectually Inferior To Other Races? by dalaman: 2:31pm On May 15, 2017 |
I think we are inferior intellectually and in terms of intelligence. 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Are Sub-saharan Africans Intellectually Inferior To Other Races? by Nobody: 2:33pm On May 15, 2017 |
plaetton: I also share your sentiments on religion and culture. But I also think that in this day and age with constant exposure to information, these cultural structures aren't as potent as you claim, and shouldn't be used as an excuse. Also, I think innate traits can override cultural limitations, especially in the area of examining ideas and arriving at valid conclusions, which is a telling sign of intelligence. I was also born in a strongly religious environment, but as I grew older, I started to think and question and I was able to free myself from"cultural impediments." The cultural impediments present in my environment didn't suppress my innate ability to critically examine ideas. I am sure there are people who also share this testimony, probably even yourself. The lack of critical and objective thinking is a marker of of unintelligence and it correlates strongly with religious piety. Gallop carried out polls on the level of piety in different countries of the world. Sub-saharan African countries were statistically proven to have the most pious population with the level of piety exceeding 95% in most sub-saharan countries, including Nigeria. Haven't you wondered why despite your efforts at pointing out the flaws in people's beliefs on this forum, despite how much time you spend, despite the overwhelming amount of evidence you provide, majority of the people still cling tenaciously to their religious beliefs? I don't think this is a cultural problem, I think it's just a lack of innate intellectual resources. 7 Likes 3 Shares |
Re: Are Sub-saharan Africans Intellectually Inferior To Other Races? by Nobody: 2:47pm On May 15, 2017 |
ooman: But the Blacks outside Africa, on the average, don't score up to Caucasians or Asians, even when Black children are adopted by Caucasian parents in completely different environments. Can you stop being defensive and engage with my argument? I never said IQ tests are a conclusive test for intelligence, what I said was that it correlates with the aspects of intelligence I used in the caveat I stated in my previous response to you. I will state that caveat again: Although IQ tests aren't the best judge of intelligence, it's results are highly indicative of the learning ability, critical thinking, complex problem solving and abstract reasoning. I think you need to make more research about IQ tests. And IQ tests aren't even the bedrock of my argument. I examined sub-saharan Africa's history and its current picture and I found it reflective of an intellectual inferiority to other races and regions. My arguments are in my first two posts. I think you missed it. 1 Like |
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