Moonstone:

In my opinion there is nothing metaphorical about Songs of Solomon. I don't think it has to do with God and mankind.
I have never, in all my life, seen mammary glands being described like the way it was in that book. It was so poetic and actually passionate. If it is metaphorical what do those 'fawns' represent?

"2Your navel is a rounded goblet
       that never lacks blended wine.
       Your waist is a mound of wheat
       encircled by lilies.

3 Your bosoms are like two fawns,
       twins of a gazelle."

"7 Your stature is like that of the palm,
       and your bosoms like clusters of fruit.

8 I said, "I will climb the palm tree;
       I will take hold of its fruit." 
       May your bosoms be like the clusters of the vine,
       the fragrance of your breath like apples,

9 and your mouth like the best wine"

This is only from Chapter 7 - NIV.
Please can someone find the metaphor in these verses?

This is exactly why this book is ignored in most sermons. No one has really ever preached on this book in detail. Only when it comes to weddings.

- I am not saying it is non-sexual . . .

Check my previous post . . . quoted below.

No2Atheism:

One thing i can conclude . . . that:
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- On the surface, does the Song of Solomon look like a highly playful scenario between a man and a woman . . . YES

- Is it also possible that there are deeper non-sexual spiritual connotations to the Songs of Solomon . . . YES

- Sex is not unholy . . .

- It inappropriate acts of sex that is unholy . . . the bible has made it clear when sex is considered holy . . .

- What I am saying is that our mind is the one that makes Songs of Solomon unholy . . .

- Sex was created for both pleasure and procreation . . .however it is the exposure to pornography and acts of fornication, adultery, homosexualism and the likes that end up tarnishing the image of sex in the minds of many.

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- Abraham and Sarah have been reported in the bible to play with each other . . . (the bible did not say what they were doing was wrong). Does that now mean Abraham and Sarah are doing something unholy . . .off course not . . .



- the issue here is that: our mind is filled with filthy imaginations


- Hence in consequence . . . most believers prefer to stay away from the Songs of Solomon cus they simply do not trust their own mind . . . I for one do not trust my own mind . . . hence personally I also prefer not to indulge myself in the Songs of Solomon. . . cus I know I have a wandering and highly sensitive mind (which has ended up causing me a lot of pain, trauma and anguish), hence one of the only ways to control my wandering and sensitive mind is to watch wat i expose it to. Hence since someone like me knows that Songs of Solomon contains highly playful instances between a man and a woman, then the most logical action to take is to avoid.

However it is to be noted that cus I am avoiding it does not mean it is unholy . . . far from it . . . what is happening is that my mind cannot handle what is being said there . . . cus my own mind turns what is holy into something corruptible.



- Also being married goes a long way to help control a wandering mind . . . hence in as much as the Songs of Solomon might look like a big deal to single individuals . . . I doubt its really a big deal to married individuals.


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Hence I still stand by the following statements . . .


My Answer to the following Questions are given below:
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Is it truth the Songs of Solomon is unholy . . . NO

So whats the problem . . . Our mind

What do i mean . . . Our mind is messed up and filled with filthy imaginations that we tend to see normal things sanctioned by The Creator as filthy occurences.

Why . . . Part of the nature of Sin that we had as a result of the fall in the Garden of Eden.

@spikey
repent

It all deepens un the direction the reader thinks towerds. Be thou godly or not wasn't mentioned anywhere in the 'Holy Scriptures' so i think what is conveyed from the mindset determines.
P.

Songs Of Solomon is not unholy, if it was
It wouoldn't be in the bible.

Lol. I can't say jerk off here but I can say it in other threads?
Just lol!

There is nothing Unholy about the Love of a man (solomon) to a woman he truly and erotically was attracted to. Songs of Solomon, just like all the Books compiled together to form what we call the Bible, were thesis written by man, with inspirations. Even Chinua Achebe was inspired when he wrote "Things Fall Apart". Songs of Solomon is a compilation of the poems solomon wrote to the only woman he could not bed, but was deeply attracted to sexually, and I see nothing wrong with that, not all. That it is included as one of the Books of the Bible indicates something u all need to figure out. Nothing evil about sexual love.

It's not.  Human sexuality is not ungodly.
Songs of Solomon is a poetic illustration of man's God-given sexual desire.

Nice topic, cos i was just reading Song(not Songs) of Solomon yesterday. it was interesting and all but basically i just began to feel that instead of getting some divine revelations i was intruding on someone's private love letter collections. so i just couldn't go on. i'll probably gather the courage to try again sometime much later.

@poster

What do you expect from a man who married 300 wives and 700 concubines? Obviously, even in his dream, he will be sleeping with some of them. Or, just analyse it, 700 is about 2 years when counted out daily. Could he slept have with TWO of them on a daily basis? Even if he did, he would hv only met with a wife/concubine once a year.

Anyway, Solomon was just a man. And s.ex is for man not for angels. The Bible is not against it in any way. What the Bible forbids is s.ex outside marriage, & all those (including Solomon) who practised it got their recompense, most of them instantly.

Abu Zola (m)
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Thank God, the christians are now acknowledging the err, lewdness and aspersion in their holy book. Once again i thank God am a muslim

This Muslim brother speaking blaspemy should know that Solomon is NOT God. He was never represented as such. Again, was there no Sulaimon (Sulaiman) in Islam? Who was Sulaimon?

because you are a christian doesnt mean your loins dont work.

Jesoul:
Edit: Oh dear. It appears the thread so far has gone in a direction I was not seeking. Ejo, subsequent posters please address the topic. Gracias!

EDIT#2: Please note: In regards to the title, of course I do not personally think SOS is "unholy and ungodly", it was simply a play on words to reflect how people in general shy away from the book. It seems this obvious fact is not that obvious to many.

buahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

- Take it easy . . . I know u are feeling awkward about what has happened and how the thread as been hijacked . . .

- Stop disturbing urself about what people are doing to what you say . . .

- You have already done ur best to make sure people do not misconstrue your statement . . .

- If anyone misconstrues ur statement, then that is there problem . . .


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I for one would certainly vouch for u as regards the fact that u meant the thread simply as a means of discussion . . . just ignore those that have decided to turn it upside down . . .

Don't mind them. They usually look for opportunities like this to showcase their hatred towards christians & christianity. As for the one that said 'christianity is as stupid as stupid', with ur mouth you have said it, and by the words of our mouths we will be judged. Hope u've not forgotten that in ur haste to say something spiteful. Why do u always parade yourselves as 'holier' than others? If everything is alright with u guys, why is it that one of u- a devout one at that- has brought de country grief? And u marry more than one wife too, ? Wat of VVF- where is it rampant?
P.S we're supposed to have matured enough in this country. Whether we like it or not we're ONE PEOPLE. Casting ur brother or sister bring applause to you.
Are u a christian?Have u read the book or just going by the title de poster used? I'm sure de poster didn't quite mean anything negative with that.
@all, Let's not try to use our human minds to reason out the morale behind the book. We might make serious deviations. One thing I know: if the book was so bad, it wouldn't have found its way into God's own book. No way.

P.S moderator take it easy now, I neva wrote silly, hmm!! And pleeeease the casting DOES NOT bring applause, not the other way round.

i read SOS yesterday night and man that book is something else o, it really affected the way i think about this boy-girl thing. . .

@myjoe
there's something i dont get though, you said its between solomon, a sheperd boy and the girl, the commentaries i read list it as being between solomon and a girl he wants to marry. . .

@spikey
it's not nec. what you said, its how u said it, you were being flippant when er'one was talking about serious stuff!

JeSoul:

  Most preachers do not even preach from it, I guess they are scared of something lol. Personally, I think its a fascinating book with incredibly great poetry.

  Some christians choose to view it as symbolism, God's love to man, others (myself included) as love between a man and woman. I'm curious as to which side of the isle NL christians sit on. Please have your say . . .

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Edit: Oh dear. It appears the thread so far has gone in a direction I was not seeking. Ejo, subsequent posters please address the topic. Gracias!

EDIT#2: Please note: In regards to the title, of course I do not personally think SOS is "unholy and ungodly", it was simply a play on words to reflect how people in general shy away from the book. It seems this obvious fact is not that obvious to many.

hello sweet heart, where have u been hiding? i have not seen any of new videos from u yet. as for the SOS, it is both ways, remember scriptures do not have any private interpretation but for preachers to shy away from it, that is just dead wrong

Solomon 8 :8 nice verse

all this one na talk - if SOS were in the Quran and not the Bible - we know how much lasciviousness , porn, etc our NL crusaders would be reading into it  

anyway - carry on with analysis

"All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness," 2 Timothy 3:16   It is safe to conclude that all scriptures were divinely inspired by God and that obviously includes the Songs of Solomon. The bible originary contained 73 books which has been pruned down to 66 over centuries. It's safe to say that the Song of Solomon would not have been included in it if God did not have a reason for it to be included.

oyb:

all this one na talk - if SOS were in the Quran and not the Bible - we know how much lasciviousness , indecency, etc our NL crusaders would be reading into it  

anyway - carry on with analysis

some. . .not all

God put songs of solomon in the bible to showcase (1) the kind of love he has for us (2) the kind of love which He would like couples to have for each other. Let us remember that God Himself is love so love is a good thing

ichommy:

Solomon 8 :8 nice verse

she has no b.r.e.a.$.T? oh my

- The issue here is the people are scared of talking about play play between a man and a woman . . .

- The issue is that sex is sanctioned by The Creator . . .aka where the Bible says : be fruitful and multiply . . . hence sex is sanctioned . . .

- The problem is that indiscriminate sex, adultery, fornication, lewd sex, bestiality and homosexuality . . . are not allowed.

- People are scared of reading songs of solomon because people are scared of confronting the fact that they have a dirty mind  . . . (i know i have a dirty mind hence i don't deceive myself) . . .

- There is nothing spectacular about Songs of Solomon since it is someting that is normal between a married man and wife . . .

- highly playful scenarios^TM between a married man and wife is allowed  . . . and it is non of our business. . .

No2Atheism:

highly playful scenarios^TM

lol

Songs of Solomon, that is my second most favourite book. I like Ecclesiastes most. If only,

This religion section is too damn boring for me. Your posts are too long and senseless

farruks brothers are not invited to comment on this topic not after what they have caused Nigeria because of religion.

Mr. Joe and No2Atheism comments on this subject are commendable.

Though I appreciate the comments of above named persons, I will like to include my comment bellow for the sake of clarification.

“THE whole world was not worthy of the day in which this sublime Song was given to Israel.” Thus the Jewish “rabbi” Akiba, who lived in the first century of the Common Era, expressed his appreciation for The Song of Solomon. The book’s title is a contraction of the opening words, “The superlative song, which is Solomon’s.” According to the Hebrew word-for-word text, it is the “Song of the songs,” denoting superlative excellence, similar to the expression “heavens of the heavens,” for the highest heavens. (Deut. 10:14) It is not a collection of songs but one song, “a song of the utmost perfection, one of the best that existed, or had ever been penned.”

King Solomon of Jerusalem was the writer of this song, as is borne out by its introduction. He was highly qualified to write this supremely beautiful example of Hebrew poetry. (1 Ki. 4:32) It is an idyllic poem loaded with meaning and most colorful in its description of beauty. The reader who can visualize the Oriental setting will appreciate this still more. (Song of Sol. 4:11, 13; 5:11; 7:4) The occasion for its writing was a unique one. The great king Solomon, glorious in wisdom, mighty in power, and dazzling in the luster of his material wealth, which evoked the admiration even of the queen of Sheba, could not impress a simple country girl with whom he fell in love. Because of the constancy of her love for a shepherd boy, the king lost out. The book, therefore, could rightly be called The Song of Solomon’s Frustrated Love. Jehovah God inspired him to compose this song for the benefit of Bible readers of the ages to follow. By the time he wrote the song, Solomon had “sixty queens and eighty concubines,” compared with “seven hundred wives, princesses, and three hundred concubines” at the end of his reign.—Song of Sol. 6:8; 1 Ki. 11:3.

WHY BENEFICIAL

What lessons are taught in this song of love that the man of God might find beneficial today? Faithfulness, loyalty, and integrity to godly principles are clearly shown. The song teaches the beauty of virtue and innocence in a true lover. It teaches that genuine love remains unconquerable, inextinguishable, unpurchasable. Young Christian men and women as well as husbands and wives can benefit from this fitting example of integrity when temptations arise and allurements present themselves.

But this inspired song is also most beneficial for the Christian congregation as a whole. It was recognized as part of the inspired Scriptures by the Christians of the first century, one of whom wrote: “All the things that were written aforetime were written for our instruction, that through our endurance and through the comfort from the Scriptures we might have hope.” (Rom. 15:4) This same inspired writer, Paul, could well have had in mind the Shulammite girl’s exclusive love for her shepherd when he wrote to the Christian congregation: “For I am jealous over you with a godly jealousy, for I personally promised you in marriage to one husband that I might present you as a chaste virgin to the Christ.” Paul also wrote of the love of Christ for the congregation as that of a husband for a wife. (2 Cor. 11:2; Eph. 5:23-27) Not only is Jesus Christ the Fine Shepherd for them but he is also their King who holds out to his anointed followers the indescribable joy of “marriage” with him in the heavens.—Rev. 19:9; John 10:11.

Certainly these anointed followers of Christ Jesus can benefit much from the example of the Shulammite girl. They also must be loyal in their love, unenticed by the materialistic glitter of the world, keeping balance in their integrity clear through to the attainment of the reward. They have their minds set on the things above and ‘seek first the Kingdom.’ They welcome the loving endearments of their Shepherd, Jesus Christ. They are overjoyed in knowing that this dear one, though unseen, is close beside them, calling on them to take courage and conquer the world. Having that unquenchable love, as strong as “the flame of Jah,” for their Shepherd King, they will indeed overcome and be united with him as fellow heirs in the glorious Kingdom of the heavens. Thus will Jah’s name be sanctified!—Matt. 6:33; John 16:33.

i once attended a wedding programme in a church, and a verse of SOS was read out by the pastor when joining the couples.

i think it was meant for the married couples

TrueSeeker:

Though I appreciate the comments of above named persons, I will like to include my comment bellow for the sake of clarification.

“THE whole world was not worthy of the day in which this sublime Song was given to Israel.” Thus the Jewish “rabbi” Akiba, who lived in the first century of the Common Era, expressed his appreciation for The Song of Solomon. The book’s title is a contraction of the opening words, “The superlative song, which is Solomon’s.” According to the Hebrew word-for-word text, it is the “Song of the songs,” denoting superlative excellence, similar to the expression “heavens of the heavens,” for the highest heavens. (Deut. 10:14) It is not a collection of songs but one song, “a song of the utmost perfection, one of the best that existed, or had ever been penned.”

King Solomon of Jerusalem was the writer of this song, as is borne out by its introduction. He was highly qualified to write this supremely beautiful example of Hebrew poetry. (1 Ki. 4:32) It is an idyllic poem loaded with meaning and most colorful in its description of beauty. The reader who can visualize the Oriental setting will appreciate this still more. (Song of Sol. 4:11, 13; 5:11; 7:4) The occasion for its writing was a unique one. The great king Solomon, glorious in wisdom, mighty in power, and dazzling in the luster of his material wealth, which evoked the admiration even of the queen of Sheba, could not impress a simple country girl with whom he fell in love. Because of the constancy of her love for a shepherd boy, the king lost out. The book, therefore, could rightly be called The Song of Solomon’s Frustrated Love. Jehovah God inspired him to compose this song for the benefit of Bible readers of the ages to follow. By the time he wrote the song, Solomon had “sixty queens and eighty concubines,” compared with “seven hundred wives, princesses, and three hundred concubines” at the end of his reign.—Song of Sol. 6:8; 1 Ki. 11:3.

WHY BENEFICIAL

What lessons are taught in this song of love that the man of God might find beneficial today? Faithfulness, loyalty, and integrity to godly principles are clearly shown. The song teaches the beauty of virtue and innocence in a true lover. It teaches that genuine love remains unconquerable, inextinguishable, unpurchasable. Young Christian men and women as well as husbands and wives can benefit from this fitting example of integrity when temptations arise and allurements present themselves.

But this inspired song is also most beneficial for the Christian congregation as a whole. It was recognized as part of the inspired Scriptures by the Christians of the first century, one of whom wrote: “All the things that were written aforetime were written for our instruction, that through our endurance and through the comfort from the Scriptures we might have hope.” (Rom. 15:4) This same inspired writer, Paul, could well have had in mind the Shulammite girl’s exclusive love for her shepherd when he wrote to the Christian congregation: “For I am jealous over you with a godly jealousy, for I personally promised you in marriage to one husband that I might present you as a chaste virgin to the Christ.” Paul also wrote of the love of Christ for the congregation as that of a husband for a wife. (2 Cor. 11:2; Eph. 5:23-27) Not only is Jesus Christ the Fine Shepherd for them but he is also their King who holds out to his anointed followers the indescribable joy of “marriage” with him in the heavens.—Rev. 19:9; John 10:11.

Certainly these anointed followers of Christ Jesus can benefit much from the example of the Shulammite girl. They also must be loyal in their love, unenticed by the materialistic glitter of the world, keeping balance in their integrity clear through to the attainment of the reward. They have their minds set on the things above and ‘seek first the Kingdom.’ They welcome the loving endearments of their Shepherd, Jesus Christ. They are overjoyed in knowing that this dear one, though unseen, is close beside them, calling on them to take courage and conquer the world. Having that unquenchable love, as strong as “the flame of Jah,” for their Shepherd King, they will indeed overcome and be united with him as fellow heirs in the glorious Kingdom of the heavens. Thus will Jah’s name be sanctified!—Matt. 6:33; John 16:33.

I think this is the most useful post on this entire thread. Thanks for sharing this, The Seeker.

P.S. JeSoul I made a mistake in my post when I said the young virgin girl was espoused to King Solomon . I meant King Solomon was trying to woo her.