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Re: Islamisation Of Nigeria:Why's Mr President Still In The "holy Land"? (OIC) by ajalio(f): 9:49pm On Jan 21, 2010 |
@edoyad Ohh no, I does not want to criticise you, there you have misunderstood me. Actually, I wanted to explain to you, why the things are so. However, it has little sense if you do not believe in God. Therefore, I have asked you whether it was serious yours when you said, you do not believe in God. |
Re: Islamisation Of Nigeria:Why's Mr President Still In The "holy Land"? (OIC) by edoyad(m): 10:00pm On Jan 21, 2010 |
I don't know what to say, Let's just say religion doesn't explain so many things to me. But i do like the aspect of religion that teaches love, compassion, morality, helpfulness and all. That's why even one is not a christian you have to admire how it is able to criticize itself and correct certain short comings. By the way ajali do you know what European country has the highest number of turks in their borders ? |
Re: Islamisation Of Nigeria:Why's Mr President Still In The "holy Land"? (OIC) by ajalio(f): 10:20pm On Jan 21, 2010 |
Well edoyad, peace and love are the foundation in both religions. Read my post in other thread, then you know why I can say this. And nothing happens without reason, believe me please. What concerns your question after the Turks. Germany with 3.5 millions has by far most Turks in Europe. |
Re: Islamisation Of Nigeria:Why's Mr President Still In The "holy Land"? (OIC) by edoyad(m): 10:49pm On Jan 21, 2010 |
Just wondering how you'd feel if the increasing no. of turks one day reached a sizeable number and started to wreak havoc on your hard built democracy. I'm sure you wouldn't like that. Sorry for askin so many questions but i like to learn. Do you know anything about the Ninety five theses and Duke Frederick of Saxony ? |
Re: Islamisation Of Nigeria:Why's Mr President Still In The "holy Land"? (OIC) by ajalio(f): 11:22pm On Jan 21, 2010 |
@edoyad Well, you are still very young and will still learn a lot and collect experiences. I live already a few years longer and divide my knowledge with pleasure with you. I would have personally really no problem with even more Turks in my country. Quite honestly., because Islam like he is original and is lived on most Muslims, can never endanger a democracy and also does not want it. I would defend myself against the false-escorted radical Islamism of course. About Martin Luther and 95 theses I can tell you a lot. About Duke Frederick I do not know a lot. Feel free to ask what ever you want. |
Re: Islamisation Of Nigeria:Why's Mr President Still In The "holy Land"? (OIC) by edoyad(m): 11:47pm On Jan 21, 2010 |
Just wanted what the 95 theses was really about, what transpired at worms and also anything about the guy, What's his name again ? |
Re: Islamisation Of Nigeria:Why's Mr President Still In The "holy Land"? (OIC) by ajalio(f): 11:47pm On Jan 21, 2010 |
@edoyad Sorry, I have mistaken there something, of course I know also about Duke Frederick. He exerted himself for Martin Luther and helped him. |
Re: Islamisation Of Nigeria:Why's Mr President Still In The "holy Land"? (OIC) by edoyad(m): 12:05am On Jan 22, 2010 |
No i meant the Bohemian guy who was burnt before Martin Luther |
Re: Islamisation Of Nigeria:Why's Mr President Still In The "holy Land"? (OIC) by ajalio(f): 12:20am On Jan 22, 2010 |
First part Martin Luther, actually:Luder, was born on the 10th of November, 1483 in Eisleben and grew up in Mansfeld. The father, Hans Luther, was a strict, rough man and furious Priest hater, the mother anxiously, religious; both were simple and diligent. A religion full by fright pictures linked with a strictly strict education have formed Luthers childhood and religious position. Lawyer He should become a lawyer by the will of his ambitious parents. In 1501 he began the basic study at the university of Erfurt. However, he disappointed them: Briefly after he had acquired the authorisation with the Master's degree to turn to the real degree, he entered on the 17th of July, 1505 into the strict Augustinian's hermit's cloister in Erfurt. Martin Luther travelled in 1510 by order of his orden to Rome, studied theology and took over after his doctorate in 1512 the Bible professorship from Johann von Staupitz at the university of Wittenberg.The Dominican's mendicant Johannes Tetzel began in 1517 to sell by order Albrecht's von Brandenburg letters of indulgence whose proceeds were determined for the construction of the Peter's church in Rome. Really, however, half should be used of it to erase Albrecht's debts with the Fugger. The Hohenzollern prince had bought an office accumulation forbidden after canon law of the Curia to himself with the borrowed money: He was a mark count of Brandenburg, archbishop of Magdeburg, administrator of the dioceseHalberstadt, archbishop and elector of Mainz; pope Leo X appointed him still the cardinal in 1518. As a rule Johannes Tetzel was supported by the local clergy. About Tetzels selling of indulgences the Wittenberger theologian Martin Luther expressed outrage. On the 31st of October, 1517 he has struck 95 theses into Latin language against the door of the castle church of Wittenberg to request skilled theologians, to discuss the outgrowths of the indulgence business. Luther did not refuse the indulgence in principle, but he turned against every thoughtlessness concerning the sacrament of the coaches. Martin Luther was done by the indulgence quarrel on and on in his criticism, first only in mismanagement in the church, also in the Roman-Catholic apprenticeship. Johannes Tetzel and the inhabitant of Ingolstadt theologian Johanne Eck accused him, finally, of the heresy. In July, 1518 the Curia opened a procedure against Luther and asked him to come to Rome. If he was followed the summons, the church would let him possibly on the pyre have burnt. However, Luthers sovereign, the Saxon elector Friedrich of the manner, exerted himself for the engaged critic of ecclesiastical mismanagement and reached that he did not need to travel to Rome, but from the 12th to the 14th of October, 1518 on the Augsburg Reichstag of the papal legacy cardinal Thomas Cajetan de Vio was interrogated. Three quarters a year later Martin Luther provided for new explosive in Leipzig when he can be provoked by Johannes Eck for the assertion, also popes and councils are not infallible and could wander. His criticism expanded, finally, also on the sacraments and other areas of the Roman-Catholic apprenticeship. He published 1520 three programmatic writings: (1) nation German in the Christian nobility, (2) of the freedom of a Christian's person, (3) De captivitate Babylonica. |
Re: Islamisation Of Nigeria:Why's Mr President Still In The "holy Land"? (OIC) by ajalio(f): 12:43am On Jan 22, 2010 |
Are you still awake? hahaha, then here part two and the third part about the 95 these will be the last Luther refused the pope and the ecclesiastical hierarchy as the last authority in religious questions. The uppermost authority comes up only to the holy writing. The ecclesiastical sacraments work – according to Luther – not on account of a formal ceremonial, a magic of the priest, but immediately by the faith. He saw the priest not as a rapt, inalienable mediator between God and person, but as a minister without privileges. At the Roman-Catholic mess the people formed only the audience. However, Luther incorporated the municipality expressly in the service. Logically he wanted that was spoken and was sung in the church in German. Martin Luther promoted the popular Choralsingen in German and animated the hymn chanted only till then with pilgrimages anew, because he believed in the moral strength of the song; of the instrumental music he subordinated like the pope an immoral effect. The pope asked him on the 15th of June, 1520 to submit and threatened him with the anathema ("Exsurge Domine". On the 10th of December, 1520 Luther burnt an impression the papal bull and some volumes of canonical right in present of colleagues and students before the Elstertor in Wittenberg. With it he separated ostentatiously from the Roman-Catholic church; on the 3rd of January, 1521 pope Leo X excommunicated him. The anathema caused traditionally the outlawry in the Emperor's name. But the self-confident states made Karl V keep to the electoral capitulation of 1519, according to which no imperial relative without hearing might be outlawed. The king asked the reformer to justify himself on the Wormser Reichstag and assured him of free escort. A worldly committee should consider about a judgment of the pope! In Worms Luther was interrogated on the 17th of April, 1521 and asked whether he is ready to revoke his theses. He asked for time to reflect, put on a speech in the evening and confessed on the next day to his views. In May, 1521 Karl V with approval of the Reichstag imposed the outlawry in the Emperor's name on him and forbade his confession (Wormser edict). Luther had departed on the 26th of April, 1521 from Worms and had been attacked on the 4th of May in the Thuringian wood by representatives of Friedrich of the manners feignedly. He submitted and can be brought on Wartburg above Eisenach in security. There he translated the new will into German. Besides, in the mind of the humanists he went back to the springs. Therefore, he used as a submission instead of the official version, the Vulgata, from Erasmus von Rotterdam 1516 published and with a Latin translation provided Greek original text. However, he did not shy away to transfer freely if it was a matter for him of formulating vividly, because he wanted to write general-understandably, so that the Gospel also disclosed to less educated layman. Martin Luther rejected the celibacy, because he held the abstinence for unnatural. On the 13th of June, 1525 he married the 26-year-old, in 1523 for the cloister of Nimptschen with Grimma fled former Cistercian's nun Katharina von Bora (1499 - 1552). With her he generated six children. In addition, he recorded eleven children of late used in his family with. On the 18th of February, 1546 Martin Luther died in Eisleben. |
Re: Islamisation Of Nigeria:Why's Mr President Still In The "holy Land"? (OIC) by Nobody: 12:58am On Jan 22, 2010 |
Being a member of OIC means that all nigerian women should start wearing hijabs and every nigerian man should start growing a full lenght beard like Bin laden.ANY NIGERIAN woman who refuses to wear hijabs would be beaten with horse whips by the islamic police and the south would be forced to accept islam by the fulani.hausa jahadists.Hmm these clowns frm the north think they own nigeria. |
Re: Islamisation Of Nigeria:Why's Mr President Still In The "holy Land"? (OIC) by edoyad(m): 1:03am On Jan 22, 2010 |
@ajali that was a beautiful peace, karl v is ofcourse Charles v. Unfortunately after this time the ugliest wars began to ravage europe as catholic and protestant slaughtered each other in the name of god. Things Europe experienced 400 years ago are reaching us now. |
Re: Islamisation Of Nigeria:Why's Mr President Still In The "holy Land"? (OIC) by ajalio(f): 1:06am On Jan 22, 2010 |
yes you're right please bear with me, the 95 these last a little longer it isn't so easy for me to translate it in english very fast |
Re: Islamisation Of Nigeria:Why's Mr President Still In The "holy Land"? (OIC) by edoyad(m): 1:14am On Jan 22, 2010 |
Just take your time and translate, i'm not asleep yet, obviously |
Re: Islamisation Of Nigeria:Why's Mr President Still In The "holy Land"? (OIC) by ajalio(f): 2:24am On Jan 22, 2010 |
thank God, it is done Martin Luther: 95 theses 1. Because of love to the truth and in the aspiration to fathom this should be argued in Wittenberg under the chairmanship of the venerable father Martin Luther, Master of the free arts and the holy theology as well as their well-arranged professor there, about the following clauses. Therefore, he asks those who cannot be present and debate orally with us to do this in absence in writing. In the name of our Jesus Christ, amen. 2. Because our Jesus Christ speaks: "Does permance" etc. (Matth. 4.17), he has wanted that the whole life of the religious should be permance. 3. This word cannot be understood by the permance as a sacrament - i.e. from the confession and satisfaction - which is administered by the priestly office. 4. It refers not only to an internal permance, such would be none if she did not cause outwardly various plants to the killing of the meat. 5. Hence, the punishment remains, as long as the hatred for itself - this is the true heart permance - continues, so up to the entrance in the kingdom of heaven. 6. The pope wants to and can remit no punishments, except such which he has imposed on grounds of his own decision or that of the ecclesiastical statutes. 7. The pope can remit a debt only by the fact that he it as from God remit explained and testified, of course he can remit it in the cases reserved to him; if one wanted low-eighth, the debt would completely continue. 8. God remits generally to nobody the debt without subjecting him at the same time modest in all to the priest, his deputy. 9. The ecclesiastical regulations over the permance are obliging only for the living persons, accordingly nothing may be imposed on the dying. 10. Hence, acts the holy mind who works by the pope, to us towards well if he always excludes the case of the death and the highest need in his decrees. 11. Ignorantly and badly act those priests who save for the dying ecclesiastical premances for the purgatory. 12. The opinion that an ecclesiastical permance punishment can be converted into a purgatory punishment is a weed which has apparently been sowed, while the bishops slept. 13. Earlier the ecclesiastical permance punishments were imposed not after, but before the absolution, as it were as a touchstone for the sincerity of the remorse. 14. The dying are solved by the death of all, and for the ecclesiastical statutes they are quite dead because they are released from right because of of it. 15. If the position of a dying and the love (towards God) is imperfect, the inevitably brings him big fear, and this is the bigger, the more slightly that is. 16. This fear and this fright are enough for itself alone - to be quiet from other - to put out the torment of the purgatory; since they come to the horror of the desperation quite near. 17. Therefore, it seem to differ hell, purgatory and sky in the same manner like desperation, approximate desperation and security. 18. Obvious the souls in the purgatory need the increase of the love just like a decrease of the horror. 19. Obvious it is also proved neither by reason nor written reasons that they are beyond the state in which they can acquire salaries or in which the love can increase. 20. Obvious this is also not proved that they - at least not everybody - are sure their bliss and are certain, although we are sure theirs. 21. Hence, the pope with the perfect decree of all punishments does not mean simply the decree of all punishments, but only that which he himself has imposed. 22. Therefore, wander those indulgence preachers who say that by the indulgence of the pope the person of every punishment freely and gets rid. 23. Rather he remits to the souls in the purgatory no punishment for which they would have had to atone after the ecclesiastical statutes in this life. 24. If any decree of all punishments can be granted, then indeed alone the most perfect, that is, however, generally to somebody, completely few. 25. So a large part of the people is deceived necessarily by that in ball and curve and largely spoken made promises of the remission. 26. The same power which the pope has with regard to the purgatory in the general one owns every bishop and every minister in his diocese or his parish in particular. 27. The pope acts very properly of not turning to the souls (in the purgatory) the forgiveness on grounds of his - to him for it not available - key power, but on the way of the recommendation. 28. Human apprenticeship announce those who say, that the soul (from which purgatory) flies up as soon as the money sounds in the box. 29. Indeed, as soon as the money sounds in the box, profit and greed can grow, but the recommendation of the church stands only on the will of God. 30. Who knows then whether all souls want to be ransomed in the purgatory as it should not have been, the case for example, with holy Severin and Paschalis. 31. Nobody is certain to the genuineness of his remorse, much less whether he has attained complete decree (sin punishment). 32. So seldom one acts in right Wise permance, so seldom one buys in the right Wise indulgence, namely exceptionally seldom. 33. Who believes to be able to be certain by a letter of indulgence of his welfare, will be condemned for ever with his masters. 34. Not enough one can watch out for those which call the indulgence of the pope that incalculable gift of God by which the person is reconciled with God. 35. Those indulgence mercies refer because only to the punishments settled by people of the sakramentalen satisfaction. 36. Not like a Christian preach those who teach that the souls (from which ransom purgatory) or acquire confession letters remorse are not necessary for them. 37. Every Christian who really is penitent is entitled to complete decree of punishment and debt, also without indulgence letter. 38. Every true Christian, he is alive or dead, interest in all goods of Christ and the church, from God to him also without indulgence has letter given. 39. However, the decree and the interest (in the called goods) which the pope provides may be respected by no means slightly because they show explanation of the divine forgiveness - as I already said. 40. It might be also difficult for the most taught theologians very much to praise the fullness of indulgences and the sincerity of the remorse before the people at the same time. 41. Frank remorse longs for and loves the punishment. However, the fullness of the indulgences makes uninterested and teaches to hate them, at least it suggests this. 42. Only with care the apostolic indulgence may be preached, so that the people mean not falsely, he is to be preferred to other good plants of the love. 43. One should teach the Christians: It is not the opinion of the pope that the acquisition is to be compared by indulgence in any manner with plants of the mercy. 44. One should teach the Christian: To give to the arm or to lend the destitute is better, than to purchase indulgence. 45. Since by a plant of the love there grows the love and the person becomes better, but by indulgence he becomes not better, but is released only partially from the punishment. 46. One should teach the Christians: Who sees a destitute, him passes over and instead of this gives for the indulgence, purchases not the indulgence of the pope, but gets the rage of God. 47. One should teach the Christians: Which do not live in the abundance should keep the of vital importance for their house being and waste on no account for the indulgence. 48. One should teach the Christians: The purchase of indulgence is a voluntary affair, not compulsory. 49. One should teach the Christians: The pope has with the granting of indulgence a prayer offered for him more urgently and wishes it, therefore, also more than provided money. 50. One should teach the Christians: The indulgence of the pope helps if one does not put his trust in it, but very injuriously, if one gives up about that the fear of God. 51. One should teach the Christians: If the pope knew the extortion methods of the indulgence preachers, he would rather see the Peter's church sinking in cinder, as that it would be built with skin, meat and bone of his sheep. 52. One should teach the Christians: The pope would be as it is his duty, ready - if necessary - to sell the Peter's church to give that from his money to a large part to which certain indulgence preachers get the money from the pocket. 53. To expect the welfare on grounds of a letter of indulgence is futile, even if the (indulgence) commissioner, the pope even their souls pledged for it. 54. They arrange that for the indulgence sermon the word of God comes in the surrounding churches completely to the silence, are enemies of Christ and the pope. 55. Wrong happens to the word of God if in the one and same sermon on the indulgence the same or longer time is used than for that. 56. The opinion of the pope is absolutely they: If the indulgence - is celebrated as the least - with a bell, a procession and a service, the Gospel should be preached - as the highest - with hundred bells, hundred processions and hundred services. 57. The treasure of the church from which the pope distributes the indulgence is called with the people Christ neither enough nor is known. 58. Obvious he does not exist in temporal goods, because they would distribute many of the preachers not so easily with full hands, but collect only. 59. However, he also does not exist of the salaries of Christ and the saints because these cause mercy for the inside person as well as cross, death and hell for the external one permanently without pope. 60. Holy Laurentius has said that the treasure of the church her arms are, but the use of this concept corresponded to the view of his time. 61. Well-founded will say that the keys of the church - which are given by the salary of Christ - that treasure explain. 62. Of course the power of the pope alone is enough to the decree of punishments and to the forgiveness in besondern, him for reserved cases. 63. The true treasure of the church is the holy of holies Gospel of the magnificence and mercy of God. 64. This is rightly generally odious because he makes from the first last. 65. Nevertheless, the treasure of the indulgence is liked rightly exceptionally because he makes from the last first. 66. So the treasure of the Gospel is the net with which one caught once the owners of wealth. 67. The treasure of the indulgence is the net with which one catches now the wealth of propertied. 68. The indulgence which the indulgence preachers loudly recommend as extraordinary mercies can be really valid for what concerns the good business. 69. However, they are, compared to the mercy of God and the admiration of the cross, indeed, quite slightly. 70. The bishops and priests are held to admit the commissioners of the apostolic indulgence with all deference. 71., But even more they are held to exert eyes and ears that those do not preach her own phantasies instead of the papal order. 72. Who speaks against the truth of the apostolic indulgence, that would be rejected and cursed. 73. But who appears against the ungovernability and cheek of the words of the indulgence preachers, that would be blest. 74. As the pope rightly flings his spell ray against those which invent concerning the indulgence business on mannigfache Wise deception, 75. Thus he wants to fling even more the spell ray against those which reflect under the pretext of the indulgence on deception concerning the holy love and truth. 76. It is to be thought idiotically that the papal indulgence is mighty enough to release a person, even if he would have done - what is impossible - the God's bearing power. 77. We state against the fact that the papal indulgence can also not take away the slightest venial sin what concerns their debt. 78. If it means, also holy Peter could distribute if he was now a pope no bigger mercies, this is a sacrilege of holy Peter and the pope. 79. We state against the fact that this like every any pope has bigger ones to make because the Gospel, "mental powers and gifts,to make healthy" etc., how it 1. Chose. 12 is called. 80. Blasphemy is to be said that this amounted (in the churches) at excellent place established indulgence) cross which is provided with the papal coat of arms to the cross of Christ. 81. The bishops, priests and theologians who suffer that one offers such sermon to the people will have to give for it account. 82. This cheeky indulgence sermon does not make easy for also learnt men to protect the respect of the pope against wilful criticism or even against subtle questions of the laymen. 83. For example: Why does the pope not remove the purgatory from around the holiest love and the highest need of the souls for the sake of - as for really convincing reason - because he, nevertheless, countless souls ransoms around the disastrous money for the construction of a church for the sake of - as for very flimsy reason? 84. Or: Why do the requiems as well as annual celebrations continue for the deads, and why he returns (the pope) not the foundations which have been made for it, or does permit her return if it is already a wrong to pray for the ransomed? 85. Or: What this is for a new devoutness before God and the pope that they allow to an atheist and enemies to ransom a devout and from God beloved soul for his money; however, around own need of this devout and beloved soul for the sake of they do not release this because of free given love? 86. Or: Why do become the ecclesiastical premance statutes, "are actual and are dead by disuse" in themselves long ago abolished and, however, still by the granting of indulgence with money replaced as if they were extremely alive? 87. Or: Why does the pope who is richer today than the richest Crassus, build not at least one church Saint Peter rather from his own money than that of the poor believers? 88. Or: What remits the pope in which he gives their interest, by perfect remorse a claim have on complete decree and complete participating? 89. Or: What better happen to the church, as if the pope, as he does it (now) once, handed over 100 spot during the day to every believer this decree and this Participating? 90. Why the pope searches the welfare of the souls more than the money by the indulgence; why does he lift earlier the lasted letters and indulgences now which are as effective, nevertheless? 91. Tells to suppress these extremely embarrassing objections of the laymen only by force and not to remove by reasonable counterarguments to put out the church and the pope to the laughter of the enemies and to make the Christendom unhappy. 92. If, hence, the indulgence was preached to the mind and the view of the pope according to, these (objections) resolved everybody just like that, there would not be them at all. 93. Therefore away with all those prophets who preach the Christian: peace, peace", and is no peace. 94. Probably it may go to all the prophet who preach the Christian: "cross, cross", and is no cross. One should encourage the Christians that they strive to follow their head Christ by punishments, death and hell 95. and that trust rather to come by a lot of murky ale into the kingdom of heaven, as to calm themself in wrong ecclesiastical security. |
Re: Islamisation Of Nigeria:Why's Mr President Still In The "holy Land"? (OIC) by ajalio(f): 2:31am On Jan 22, 2010 |
Nevertheless, it is right, the youth from today has no more staying power. Now you have well fallen asleep. LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL, |
Re: Islamisation Of Nigeria:Why's Mr President Still In The "holy Land"? (OIC) by Fhemmmy: 2:32am On Jan 22, 2010 |
Holy land? i will like to know what it means to be holy according to all these. |
Re: Islamisation Of Nigeria:Why's Mr President Still In The "holy Land"? (OIC) by ajalio(f): 2:35am On Jan 22, 2010 |
Fhemmmy: As well as I have understood it, it is meant from poster ironically. |
Re: Islamisation Of Nigeria:Why's Mr President Still In The "holy Land"? (OIC) by Fhemmmy: 2:37am On Jan 22, 2010 |
Ok oh . . . .it is well |
Re: Islamisation Of Nigeria:Why's Mr President Still In The "holy Land"? (OIC) by WilyWily7: 9:36am On Jan 22, 2010 |
tom28:In Islam, the longer your beard the higher your rank/Status |
Re: Islamisation Of Nigeria:Why's Mr President Still In The "holy Land"? (OIC) by edoyad(m): 10:03am On Jan 22, 2010 |
@ajali i fell asleep waiting for you, do you sleep at all ? STAYING POWER Any way i have studied all 95 of the theses so you have to award me with an Advanced diploma in German religious history . Martin Luther was a brave man, a prussian revolutionary like Karl Marx and Engels. I wonder why your people don't come in that mould anymore ? My favorite thesis was no. 87 which asked why the rich Leo didn't use his own money to build the cathedral instead of extorting poor people ? I also liked no. 93 that said they preach peace, peace, peace but do not show peace. Christianity has come a long way since then, hope others can do the same ? |
Re: Islamisation Of Nigeria:Why's Mr President Still In The "holy Land"? (OIC) by g1(m): 10:23am On Jan 22, 2010 |
davidylan: david thanks for your reply, sorry i am a bit late replying, so are saying that we should stop all muslims from going to our airports? |
Re: Islamisation Of Nigeria:Why's Mr President Still In The "holy Land"? (OIC) by hatch: 10:40am On Jan 22, 2010 |
g1: @g1 It beats my imagination how some dumb people like davidylan reason and come to their conclusions about other religions such as Islam. |
Re: Islamisation Of Nigeria:Why's Mr President Still In The "holy Land"? (OIC) by g1(m): 10:56am On Jan 22, 2010 |
hatch#: haba Hatch i understand your grudge with david but do we have to resort to name calling to pass our message across?, this goes to david and other nairalanders too, we are here to discuss as nigerians (hausa,igbo,youruba,ijaw,efik,idoma,gwari,muslim,christians,atheists, etc) , peace to all |
Re: Islamisation Of Nigeria:Why's Mr President Still In The "holy Land"? (OIC) by edoyad(m): 11:26am On Jan 22, 2010 |
But you have not answered the question on why you want Nigeria to be in the OIC ? What do we expect to gain from a group of countries of which one is not listed among the top fifteen economies in the world ? Is there any country in the OIC which has a christian president ? Could that be the explanation for reluctance of Yaradua to hand over to brother Jonah so as not to anger his hosts ? Questioni questions questions . |
Re: Islamisation Of Nigeria:Why's Mr President Still In The "holy Land"? (OIC) by saintneo(m): 12:11pm On Jan 22, 2010 |
please see members of OIC website http://www.oic-oci.org/member_states.asp we are one of them already.
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Re: Islamisation Of Nigeria:Why's Mr President Still In The "holy Land"? (OIC) by WilyWily7: 1:21pm On Jan 22, 2010 |
o.i.c=organization of terrorist islamic criminals |
Re: Islamisation Of Nigeria:Why's Mr President Still In The "holy Land"? (OIC) by edoyad(m): 3:57pm On Jan 22, 2010 |
Bolded part is to remind us of who hold the key positions in the Nigerian Economy ; CBN, NNPC, FINANCE MINISTRY Charter of the Organisation of the Islamic Conference In the name of Allah, the most Compassionate, the most Merciful We the Member States of the Organisation of the Islamic Conference, determined: to acknowledge the Conference of Kings, Heads of State and Government of the Member States convened in Rabat from 9 to 12 Rajab, 1389 H, corresponding to 22 to 25 September 1969, as well as the Conference of Foreign Ministers held in Jeddah from 14 to 18 Muharram 1392 H corresponding to 29 February to 4 March 1972; to be guided by the noble Islamic values of unity and fraternity, and affirming the essentiality of promoting and consolidating the unity and solidarity among the Member States in securing their common interests at the international arena; to adhere our commitment to the principles of the United Nations Charter, the present Charter and International Law; to preserve and promote the lofty Islamic values of peace, compassion, tolerance, equality, justice and human dignity; to endeavour to work for revitalizing Islam’s pioneering role in the world while ensuring sustainable development, progress and prosperity for the peoples of Member States; to enhance and strengthen the bond of unity and solidarity among the Muslim peoples and Member States; to respect, safeguard and defend the national sovereignty, independence and territorial integrity of all Member States; to contribute to international peace and security, understanding and dialogue among civilizations, cultures and religions and promote and encourage friendly relations and good neighbourliness, mutual respect and cooperation; to promote human rights and fundamental freedoms, good governance, rule of law, democracy and accountability in Member States in accordance with their constitutional and legal systems; 2 to promote confidence and encourage friendly relations, mutual respect and cooperation between Member States and other States; to foster noble Islamic values concerning moderation, tolerance, respect for diversity, preservation of Islamic symbols and common heritage and to defend the universality of Islamic religion; to advance the acquisition and popularization of knowledge in consonance with the lofty ideals of Islam to achieve intellectual excellence; to promote cooperation among Member States to achieve sustained socioeconomic development for effective integration in the global economy, in conformity with the principles of partnership and equality; to preserve and promote all aspects related to environment for present and future generations; to respect the right of self-determination and non-interference in the domestic affairs and to respect sovereignty, independence and territorial integrity of each Member State; to support the struggle of the Palestinian people, who are presently under foreign occupation, and to empower them to attain their inalienable rights, including the right to self-determination, and to establish their sovereign state with Al-Quds Al-Sharif as its capital, while safeguarding its historic and Islamic character, and the holy places therein; to safeguard and promote the rights of women and their participation in all spheres of life, in accordance with the laws and legislation of Member States; to create conducive conditions for sound upbringing of Muslim children and youth, and to inculcate in them Islamic values through education for strengthening their cultural, social, moral and ethical ideals; to assist Muslim minorities and communities outside the Member States to preserve their dignity, cultural and religious identity; to uphold the objectives and principles of the present Charter, the Charter of the United Nations and international law as well as international humanitarian law while strictly adhering to the principle of non-interference in matters which are essentially within the domestic jurisdiction of any State; to strive to achieve good governance at the international level and the democratization of the international relations based on the principles of equality and mutual respect among States and non-interference in matters which are within their domestic jurisdiction; Have resolved to cooperate in achieving these goals and agreed to the present amended Charter. 3 CHAPTER I Objectives and Principles Article 1 The objectives of the Organisation of the Islamic Conference shall be: 1. To enhance and consolidate the bonds of fraternity and solidarity among the Member States; 2. To safeguard and protect the common interests and support the legitimate causes of the Member States and coordinate and unify the efforts of the Member States in view of the challenges faced by the Islamic world in particular and the international community in general; 3. To respect the right of self-determination and non-interference in the domestic affairs and to respect sovereignty, independence and territorial integrity of each Member State; 4. To support the restoration of complete sovereignty and territorial integrity of any Member State under occupation, as a result of aggression, on the basis of international law and cooperation with the relevant international and regional organisations; 5. To ensure active participation of the Member States in the global political, economic and social decision-making processes to secure their common interests; 6. To promote inter-state relations based on justice, mutual respect and good neighbourliness to ensure global peace, security and harmony; 7. To reaffirm its support for the rights of peoples as stipulated in the UN Charter and international law; 8. To support and empower the Palestinian people to exercise their right to selfdetermination and establish their sovereign State with Al-Quds Al-Sharif as its capital, while safeguarding its historic and Islamic character as well as the Holy places therein; [size=16pt]9. To strengthen intra-Islamic economic and trade cooperation; in order to achieve economic integration leading to the establishment of an Islamic Common Market;[/size] 10. To exert efforts to achieve sustainable and comprehensive human development and economic well-being in Member States; 11. To disseminate, promote and preserve the Islamic teachings and values based on moderation and tolerance, promote Islamic culture and safeguard Islamic heritage; 12. To protect and defend the true image of Islam, to combat defamation of Islam and encourage dialogue among civilisations and religions; 13. To enhance and develop science and technology and encourage research and cooperation among Member States in these fields; Please read on [url=http://www.oic-oci.org/is11/english/Charter-en.pdf ] http://www.oic-oci.org/is11/english/Charter-en.pdf [/url] Nigerians keep sleeping, you hear ? |
Re: Islamisation Of Nigeria:Why's Mr President Still In The "holy Land"? (OIC) by VPersie: 4:38pm On Jan 22, 2010 |
Davidylan Edoyad Sunny BoBo = Retarded Modaphucjkers |
Re: Islamisation Of Nigeria:Why's Mr President Still In The "holy Land"? (OIC) by edoyad(m): 5:29pm On Jan 22, 2010 |
Same thing Major Gideon Orkar was called, have you read his coup speech mr. [size=14pt]Van Persie[/size] ? Think i don't know your real username ? I'm a natural profiler and i connect dots pretty well that's why i know your real username with the prominent K on it. I also know Nigerians have to be vigilante. |
Re: Islamisation Of Nigeria:Why's Mr President Still In The "holy Land"? (OIC) by Goldmind1(m): 5:38pm On Jan 22, 2010 |
So my country is truly among OIC nations. ALU! ABOMINATION! The whole nation would have been islamized if not for the South east and South west. |
Re: Islamisation Of Nigeria:Why's Mr President Still In The "holy Land"? (OIC) by Nobody: 8:00pm On Jan 22, 2010 |
g1: Apologies for being harsh but this is incredibly dumb and i dont see where i insinuated such. Millions of arab muslims fly through Ben Gurion airport in Israel every yr . . . despite the fact that Israel is highly security conscious and is about the only country to employ racial profiling to prevent terrorist attacks. hatch#: You work in Yemen, i'm not surprised you cant reason. |
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