LiberaDeus:
The christards An2Elect and the OP Hier cant even get their stories straight.

They cant even agree on how one should be saved whether by grace alone, grace and works, works first then grace, grace first then works and grace

When you guys are done arguing with yourselves, continue threatening us with your fictitious god/hell

onyenze123:

Then yours is INCORRECT. Case closed

Hier:


loooool, you could school me about them

I gat all the time in the world.

Thanks

correctguy101:


You could get them to educate you on what they believe or visit jw.org.

BTW, lemme mention one I know here. Jman04 I think. (NOT sure if CAPSLOCKED is one but he strikes me as one)
if they get this mention, they'll try update you knowledge of the JW maybe here or in another thread.

But I prefer their kinda Christianity, no much wahala except for the trekking

LiberaDeus:
The christards An2Elect and the OP Hier cant even get their stories straight.

They cant even agree on how one should be saved whether by grace alone, grace and works, works first then grace, grace first then works and grace

When you guys are done arguing with yourselves, continue threatening us with your fictitious god/hell

Hier:


Subjective views, do you believe in Mohammed

Hier:


missed you, where have you been

Hier:


Some JW came to my home some months and we talked for about 3 hours debating and quoting scriptures, I will say I know a little. Especially, their hatred for the Hell message

You prefer their kinda Christianity?? Are you one of them or you are an atheist? well, if atheist, bye

onyenze123:


Subjective view? Exactly. Can we now agree religion is not objective (since there is no concrete proof) but subjective (only by faith)?

FYI: I believe in God, not Yahweh, Vinshu, Buddha, Mohammed. I believe in one God who is the source of all energy (infinite energy) and eternal consciousness. It is only a believe without definite proof for now but in do hope in no distant time, Quantum physics will explain it.

vaxx:
science and technology can't explain nature.

that is what scientists do not accept. the more they they try, the more they get confused.

big bang theory has been rejected by many scientists now likewise evolution.

I will end here with a quote. "little knowledge of science makes you an atheist; in-depth knowledge of science makes you believe in God”.

science and technology can't explain nature.

bennyann:


I miss you more. I've been seeing your threads and I'm proud of them.

I've been around, trying to put some things in place before coming back here in an active mood. Thank you so much for asking. I hope you've been good?

onyenze123:




A quick one: Do you know it was once believed that Lightening and Thunder ( Which is a natural phenomenon) was caused by Gods? If you check history you will see some Gods bearing the "god of lightening and thunder". This continued for years until science made us to understand that lightening is an electrical energy discharge and thunder is the accompanying sound.

Now Mister imagine flying to New York from Nigeria without meteorological data, how is that journey gonna be?

Or you gonna put your faith in God this time around?

I agree Science doesn't have all the answers but the positive is they are constantly researching thereby advancing Humanity

vaxx:
yes a good point there.

. But surprisingly, scientists still don't fully understand how the initial spark forms that generates such powerful lightning. and no research yet has ever explained that. nature can't be understand, and that is why they always contradict themselves. may be scientists will take it as a fact some day.


I will never underrate science. science had made a lot of progress that has help humanity. at least from the days of abacus to modern day computer. kudos to them.


may be one day science will develop a drug that can cure laziness , make you laugh when you are sad and so on.

onyenze123:


Discovery is a gradual and steady process. That they don't understand it today doesn't mean they can't discover it tomorrow. If you know anything about scientific methodology, you won't be saying Scientists contradict themselves. There is sth called hypothesis, go and study.

Nature can be understand. All it takes is research and finance.

bennyann:


Na that one go make you happy now

None of them stand alone. If Bible talk about grace and still talk about works, e mean say both go together.

But can you try tell me your mind on it, like when you were still a Christian. I mean give us your mind on it as though you're an intelligent Christian who understands the Bible.

For now act as a Christian for my sake

0temAtum:


The scientists explain much of nature, religion explained none. They just merry-go-round about natural phenomenon and teach themselves dogmas about those occurrences.
Eta-n-tagba 13:1-2
1. An ignorant person(a religious person) will explain what he does not understand in a way that his fellow ignorant homos shall think that they now understand it vividly.
2. But all such are false knowledge.

onyenze123:


Discovery is a gradual and steady process. That they don't understand it today doesn't mean they can't discover it tomorrow. If you know anything about scientific methodology, you won't be saying Scientists contradict themselves. There is sth called hypothesis, go and study.

Nature can be understand. All it takes is research and finance.

vaxx:
science and technology can't explain nature.

that is what scientists do not accept. the more they they try, the more they get confused.

big bang theory has been rejected by many scientists now likewise evolution.

I will end here with a quote. "little knowledge of science makes you an atheist; in-depth knowledge of science makes you believe in God”.

LiberaDeus:


My dear Bennyann, i am just stating what am seeing.

As for my opinion on grace and works

The honest truth is that christianity starts from faith which leads to saving grace then as a christian you are meant to show good works and transform yourself to live a holy life by the help of the holy spirit. Your admittance into heaven is based on your works(not carnal works) but spirit inspired works. Your admittance is based on the holiness that has been nurtured into you due to your obedience to the spirits leading and conviction and most importantly grace.

To sum it up, christianity is about being saved from sin and being transformed to be a holy person so you can be deemed worthy of reunion with God.

Now the opinion up there is a honest opinion and summary of what the bible teaches if only it wasnt built on fantasy. If only it was real

Ranchhoddas:
Help me with a list of scientists that have rejected the big bang.

I ALSO WANT TO SEE THIS "LIST".

correctguy101:


You could get them to educate you on what they believe or visit jw.org.

BTW, lemme mention one I know here. Jman04 I think. (NOT sure if CAPSLOCKED is one but he strikes me as one)
if they get this mention, they'll try update you knowledge of the JW maybe here or in another thread.

But I prefer their kinda Christianity, no much wahala except for the trekking

I WAS EMBARRASSED THE DAY 2 MATURED JW MEN PULLED UP AT MY PLACE AND WE STARTED TO TALK.. AND THEY MENTIONED THAT THERE ARE ONLY 2 GODS BELIEVED BY HUMANS. GOD (JESUS'S FATHER) AND ALLAH, THE FAKE ONE BELIEVED BY MUSLIMS.

I SPENT ABOUT 3 HOURS SCHOOLING THEM ABOUT THE THOUSANDS OF GODS IN HISTORY, THEIR ORIGIN AND VARIOUS ATTRIBUTES...

I LATER TOLD THEM TO JOIN ME IN SERVING HORUS, OR PERISH FOREVER.

I'M SURE THEY WENT BACK TO THEIR CHURCH TO TESTIFY THAT THEY HAD ENCOUNTERED THE DEVIL IN PERSON.

I HAVE TIME FOR EVERY TYPE OF NONSENSE.

CAPSLOCKED:





I WAS EMBARRASSED THE DAY 2 MATURED JW MEN PULLED UP AT MY PLACE AND WE STARTED TO TALK.. AND THEY MENTIONED THAT THERE ARE ONLY 2 GODS BELIEVED BY HUMANS. GOD (JESUS'S FATHER) AND ALLAH, THE FAKE ONE BELIEVED BY MUSLIMS.

I SPENT ABOUT 3 HOURS SCHOOLING THEM ABOUT THE THOUSANDS OF GODS IN HISTORY, THEIR ORIGIN AND VARIOUS ATTRIBUTES...

I LATER TOLD THEM TO JOIN ME IN SERVING HORUS, OR PERISH FOREVER.

I'M SURE THEY WENT BACK TO THEIR CHURCH TO TESTIFY THAT THEY HAD ENCOUNTERED THE DEVIL IN PERSON.

I HAVE TIME FOR EVERY TYPE OF NONSENSE.

correctguy101:


I was just joking about with you. lols.

You wey I know well for nairaland?
Though you don't know this moniker but since I don't have time switching between monikers, I decided to continue using this one.

But believe me, you met dumb JW adherents.
I've even met many like that and as I don't like idiots so I begged him and the lady with him not to visit me again (had to for the slowpoke was mighty persistent).

When you meet with a JW like Jman04, you'll prefer JW if you hadn't had my kind of experience. lols.

Enjoy mate

onyenze123:


Subjective view? Exactly. Can we now agree is n was objective (since there is no concrete proof) but subjective (only by faith)?

FYI: I believe in God, not Yahweh, Vinshu, , Monhammed. I believe in one God who is the source of all energy (infinite energy) and eternal a aess. It is only a believe without definite proof for now but in do hope in no distant time, Quantum physics will explain it.

bennyann:

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I miss you more. I've been seeing your was just browsing this afternoon and this idea came to me.


I've been around, trying to put some things in place before coming back here in an active mood. Thank you so much for asking. I hope you've been good?

correctguy101:


I was just joking about with you. lols.

You wey I know well for nairaland?
Though you don't know this moniker but since I don't have time switching between monikers, I decided to continue using this one.

But believe me, you met dumb JW adherents.
I've even met many like that and as I don't like idiots so I begged him and the lady with him not to visit me again (had to for the slowpoke was mighty persistent).

When you meet with a JW like Jman04, you'll prefer JW if you hadn't had my kind of experience. lols.

Enjoy mate

correctguy101:


Nope, they don't hate hell, they just let you know that the meaning isn't a kinda fire but a state. something they call sheol. something like that, they'll explain better to you or you just visit their website.

Me ke atheist? No way. Neither am I Christian

My experiences no fit let me. I know better when it comes to topics as these.

Hier:


An average lover of Nl has monikers

Ken4Christ:
Hell is real and it's a place of torment. You go there by choice. Don't let anyone deceive you. Jesus taught about hell in such a way that it didn't leave any ambiguity on its nature. There are times he used words like, everlasting punishment, fire that cannot be quenched. He also said there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth day and night.

Don't gamble with your life Hell is real.

DOCTUFOS:
26. Now I said to Adeiza, I cannot bring those children to you here, for they are locked up in the room as a punishment for their wickedness. And they shall remain in that place forever.
27. When Adeiza could not persuade me to release them, I said to him, follow me. And he followed me to the place where my children lay. And Ufedo followed us also. And when we were in the place, we coughed greatly because of the ground pepper I had sprinkled there.
28. And Adeiza said, for how many days have you kept them here without feeding them? And I said, for three days. And Adeiza said, you are the most wicked being I have ever seen.
29. For what offence could have been so great committed against you to warrant starvation of your our creatures which you gave life to?
30. Now while Adeiza spoke, they groaned in pain and said, let us accept Ufedo as our lord now. Let him be everything and anything you have made him to be, but take us out of this hot room and feed us. For you are our father.
31. And I said, no, for it is not my principle to let you out forever. And Adeiza said to me, you are mad, Omokwo. Shall we chase a bad child to the tiger to prey upon?
32. Now set them free or else I shall set them free myself and go apart from you forever.
33. Now when Adeiza said this, I wept. And my children wondered why I wept. And I said, it is only the third day, but I cannot withstand the suffering I put my children to anymore.
34. How then shall there be a god who shall cast his homo in the fire forever without feeding them or forgiving them. Behold I say, such god should be given a chieftancy title in the kingdom of the monsters. For it is not possible for a father to subject his children to starvation and confinement for petty things done, let alone leaving them in a fire forever.
35. Therefore Ajanigo, Alolo, Ebo and Ariga, go and think about that idea of a fire burning your ancestors forever and relate it with the experience you have had here today.
36. For I tell you the truth, whoever makes an afterlife of fire for humanity is a devil and his rivals and superiors who are better than him shall not allow such kind of fire to remain burning. For even as Adeiza forced me to end this punishment, so shall the higher beings who are wise stop whoever that being is who made an eternal fire as a place to be after death.
37. For foolishness is the portion of Yahweh if indeed he ever nursed such kind of afterlife in his mind, let alone making it real. Therefore my children, forgive me for subjecting you through these three days of fasting and heat. For this I do to save you and your future from becoming useless to yourself by wasting your time worshipping a god who is a terrorist.

bennyann:




mop I
I knew you know the word better, though you're a deist. Hmmmm, just like akintom who is an atheist.

Thanks dear LiberaDeus, I enjoyed it all and gained something and you've also voiced my understanding, more also in a very biblical way.

For the first time let me hail your all round intelligence

You didn't disappoint me at all. Thanks for this honour.

Ranchhoddas:
Help me with a list of scientists that have rejected the big bang.