any creature is at the mercy of its creator, whatever pleases the creator that's what he will do. Moreover, oh man, who are you to question God. There are sins God himself has forgiven us but we must bear the consequence, that's the dynamics of nature.

joe4real12:

Nice one!
Vs 20 to 23 summarizes it all.

Correct! Reading from verse 1 will actually give a better insight to those that have not read the passage before

i undastand sum pples feeling towards dis my question,tinkin my questioning and being inquisitive is wrong,but jst because i hav a fada who provides my evryday nids doesnt mean i wunt ask questions when need be or i'll be conditioned to do his will.

CHAVINCI:
In church today, we talked about 1 kings chapter 21 where it tells the injustice king ahab did to Naboth and his children, yes it was very cruel and wicked, but my point is when GOD decided to punish Ahab which of course he repented and wore sack clothes and so GOD extended his hand of mercy on him by saying the punishment meant for him would happen to his children, don't you think that is a misguided justice on the part of GOD?

I mean why would people who know nothing about how a sin was committed pay the price? And if GOD had truly forgiven him, then why punish his children, is that still called forgiveness?

Are you a true Jehovah's witnesses? Is that what the watchtower thought you?
You went to kingdom hall you said church.

Be careful

CHAVINCI:
In church today, we talked about 1 kings chapter 21 where it tells the injustice king ahab did to Naboth and his children, yes it was very cruel and wicked, but my point is when GOD decided to punish Ahab which of course he repented and wore sack clothes and so GOD extended his hand of mercy on him by saying the punishment meant for him would happen to his children, don't you think that is a misguided justice on the part of GOD?

I mean why would people who know nothing about how a sin was committed pay the price? And if GOD had truly forgiven him, then why punish his children, is that still called forgiveness?

Because if God didn't wipe out the family, by royal tradition; descendants of Jezebel would have ruled Israel. Plus his family never repented from their sins.... They all served idols

Eleru gberu re. God please don't make me pay for the sin I knew nothing about

HardMirror:

when we say religion is all man made, we don't say it cos we hate God, we say it because of contradictions like this. man who made religion is not perfect so don't expect to make sense of religion. that is why you need faith, I mean stubborn faith to remain a Christian or Muslim in particular. let's wait and see the concocted answers the Christians will invent in defence of their God.

If you ask me, I believe those who planned christianity never envisage that there will be a time when people ask questions about their religion and knowledge will be at the fingertips of anyone who seek it.

CHAVINCI:
In church today, we talked about 1 kings chapter 21 where it tells the injustice king ahab did to Naboth and his children, yes it was very cruel and wicked, but my point is when GOD decided to punish Ahab which of course he repented and wore sack clothes and so GOD extended his hand of mercy on him by saying the punishment meant for him would happen to his children, don't you think that is a misguided justice on the part of GOD?

I mean why would people who know nothing about how a sin was committed pay the price? And if GOD had truly forgiven him, then why punish his children, is that still called forgiveness?

are you a witness??

Lessonteacher:
WHICH SIDE ARE YOU ON?

The side of sarcasm, apparently.

jesbu:

Are you a true Jehovah's witnesses? Is that what the watchtower thought you?
You went to kingdom hall you said church.

Be careful

this guy wantu make the type of mistake Peter did against the gentiles..

CHAVINCI:
In church today, we talked about 1 kings chapter 21 where it tells the injustice king ahab did to Naboth and his children, yes it was very cruel and wicked, but my point is when GOD decided to punish Ahab which of course he repented and wore sack clothes and so GOD extended his hand of mercy on him by saying the punishment meant for him would happen to his children, don't you think that is a misguided justice on the part of GOD?

I mean why would people who know nothing about how a sin was committed pay the price? And if GOD had truly forgiven him, then why punish his children, is that still called forgiveness?

U obviously went to kingdom hall today. But a little bit of study from you would have cleared it all. U obviously wanted to just discredit God. Now here is a little help in getting the full picture. Goto 1kings 10: full story is there. Ahab sons were all bad and wayward. Jehovah knows what he's doing. We learnt never to question his authority. But u didn't want to believe that part...

God is lonely and a sadist by nature
Your father should be able to relate

lagostokd:
I doubt you're a good student of the Bible for asking this question in the first place especially on this forum.

What happened to your Sunday School?

Read Ezekiel 18 very well to answer your question

That's the point!

jesbu:

Are you a true Jehovah's witnesses? Is that what the watchtower thought you?
You went to kingdom hall you said church.

Be careful

He must be an interested person.

CHAVINCI:
In church today, we talked about 1 kings chapter 21 where it tells the injustice king ahab did to Naboth and his children, yes it was very cruel and wicked, but my point is when GOD decided to punish Ahab which of course he repented and wore sack clothes and so GOD extended his hand of mercy on him by saying the punishment meant for him would happen to his children, don't you think that is a misguided justice on the part of GOD?

I mean why would people who know nothing about how a sin was committed pay the price? And if GOD had truly forgiven him, then why punish his children, is that still called forgiveness?

please bro... Quick question...... Which church?

jesbu:

Are you a true Jehovah's witnesses? Is that what the watchtower thought you?
You went to kingdom hall you said church.

Be careful

u should have allowed him MUMU himself finish

CHAVINCI:
In church today, we talked about 1 kings chapter 21 where it tells the injustice king ahab did to Naboth and his children, yes it was very cruel and wicked, but my point is when GOD decided to punish Ahab which of course he repented and wore sack clothes and so GOD extended his hand of mercy on him by saying the punishment meant for him would happen to his children, don't you think that is a misguided justice on the part of GOD?

I mean why would people who know nothing about how a sin was committed pay the price? And if GOD had truly forgiven him, then why punish his children, is that still called forgiveness?

What you are saying invariably is that God does not understand Jutice, That he does not know how to run things.
You are saying in effect, "I can do better than him".
ONE thing only i can deduce from your post is that you are NOT a Christian, but a 'christian', someone who just goes to church to evade stigmatization. A church goer.
....If your not, but a baby believer, your pastor/teacher is the first person ask about your Confusion, before coming to public to make fool of your self.

elderhimself:
Roman 9:15
For he says to Moses, "I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion."

Exodus 33:19
"And will be gracious to whom I will be gracious"



.....so, can we even dare to ask of God why he does anything he wishes??...... NEVER !!!!!!

A very cocky statement

See d degree of agenderlessness in nairaland

[quote author=CHAVINCI post=57822912]In church today, we talked about 1 kings chapter 21 where it tells the injustice king ahab did to Naboth and his children, yes it was very cruel and wicked, but my point is when GOD decided to punish Ahab which of course he repented and wore svack clothes and so GOD extended his hand of mercy on him by saying the punishment meant for him would happen to his children, don't you think that is a misguided justice on the part of GOD?

I mean why would people who know nothing about how a sin was committed pay the price? And if GOD had truly forgiven him, then why punish his children, is that still called forgiveness? [ visit this link bro and get your answers https://www.jw.org/en/publications/magazines/watchtower-simplified-april-2017/do-you-share-gods-sense-of-justice/ ]

Revelation 21:8 speaks of the second death, now when one has reached this stage, then there is no longer forgiveness, but if one dies physically, we cannot conclude that God didn't forgive The person, because he died physically,
there are two types of death, and God-s forgiveness is meant for the spiritual death not the physical one, the way the disciples of Christ died, one may say there were sinners, but that was not the case, physical death amounts to nothing compared to the spiritual one,
The Lord bless
From Mahlatse South Africa
i love nairaland and all Nigerians
more grace upon such people of respect, dignity, intelligence and spiritual knowledge,
Nigeria is blessed to have al, manner of people with great personalities.

xtivin:
any creature is at the mercy of its creator, whatever pleases the creator that's what he will do. Moreover, oh man, who are you to question God. There are sins God himself has forgiven us but we must bear the consequence, that's the dynamics of nature.

True that, the consequences have to be there for rebellion against the creator of creation

CHAVINCI:
In church today, we talked about 1 kings chapter 21 where it tells the injustice king ahab did to Naboth and his children, yes it was very cruel and wicked, but my point is when GOD decided to punish Ahab which of course he repented and wore sack clothes and so GOD extended his hand of mercy on him by saying the punishment meant for him would happen to his children, don't you think that is a misguided justice on the part of GOD?

I mean why would people who know nothing about how a sin was committed pay the price? And if GOD had truly forgiven him, then why punish his children, is that still called forgiveness?

Ordinarily, don't you know that if a man is silly and maybe a drunkard, that his children will suffer for his stupidity if he refuses to send them to school..

Ok, when David pleased God and God promised that the family of David will always have a king on the throne of Isreal, were the children of David part of the good deeds ? No, but they have been chosen to enjoy what they didn't work for.

Likewise, if you are born to wealthy parents and they leave you 10 properties to take care of ? Did you deserve it ?

So stop asking questions about how just Gods judgements are so he wont get annoyed with you.

drnoel:


A very cocky statement

Yeeepp... I know that.

Do i need corrections anywhere?

DEAR OP
have you ever asked God why he kept you alive even when a nearest person to you dies?
Have you asked him why he didn't pass instantaneous judgement to you when you sin because you're not better than Ananais and Sapphire who died for lying to him?
Your earthly parents do leave properties to you after their demise, and likewise a fully indebted man leaves behind debts for his children after death.
God forgives because it pleases him to do so.
When USA killed Osama Bin Laden, they didn't only kill him, but also his family. same goes to Gaddafi.
A child doesn't know sin between age 1-5 but can you tell me something within that child that makes him to commit his first sin?
Or can't you comprehend how you started sinning when in fact you knew nothing about sin in your infant years. God forgives whom he wishes to forgive and gives real punishment to whosoever, even to 4 generations. Pray that God should not make the same statement he made concerning Pharaoh in your life because I don't know who's gonna be your helper if God's hand is on your generation.

CHAVINCI:
in church today,we talked about 1 kings chapter 21 where it tells d injustice king ahab did to naboth and his children,yes it was very cruel and wicked,but my point is when GOD decided to punish ahab wich of course he repented and wore sack clothes,and xo GOD extended his hand of mercy on him by saying d punishment meant 4 him wuld happen to his children,dont u tink dat is a misguided justice on d part of GOD,i mean y wuld pple who knws notin about how a sin was committed pay d price,and if GOD had truly forgiven him,den y punish his children,is dat still called forgiveness?

Firstly, we need to look at the passage to actually see what it says and not assume what it says.
Firstly, the passage does not appear to say anything about Naboth's children. It talks about Naboth. Here is exactly what it says.

1Ki 21:13 And there came in two men, children of Belial, and sat before him: and the men of Belial witnessed against him, even against Naboth, in the presence of the people, saying, Naboth did blaspheme God and the king. Then they carried him forth out of the city, and stoned him with stones, that he died.
1Ki 21:14 Then they sent to Jezebel, saying, Naboth is stoned, and is dead.

Secondly, i do not have the place in the Bible where God forgave Ahab. The Bible does not state that, that is your assumption and it is wrong as the Bible shows that God punished Ahab as stated. Here it is.


1Ki 21:19 And thou shalt speak unto him, saying, Thus saith the LORD, Hast thou killed, and also taken possession? And thou shalt speak unto him, saying, Thus saith the LORD, In the place where dogs licked the blood of Naboth shall dogs lick thy blood, even thine.
1Ki 21:21 Behold, I will bring evil upon thee, and will take away thy posterity, and will cut off from Ahab him that pisseth against the wall, and him that is shut up and left in Israel,
1Ki 21:23 And of Jezebel also spoke the LORD, saying, The dogs shall eat Jezebel by the wall of Jezreel.
1Ki 21:24 Him that dieth of Ahab in the city the dogs shall eat; and him that dieth in the field shall the fowls of the air eat.

The punishment stated here are (1.)verse 19 "In the place where dogs licked the blood of Naboth shall dogs lick thy blood."
(2.) verse 21 "I will bring evil upon thee, and will take away thy posterity, and will cut off from Ahab him that pisseth against the wall." That is, all Ahab's sons(piss against the wall) would die.
(3.) verse 23 "The dogs shall eat Jezebel by the wall of Jezreel."
(4.) verse 24 "Him that dieth of Ahab in the city the dogs shall eat; and him that dieth in the field shall the fowls of the air eat." That is an ignoble and shameful death, no burial for Ahab's sons.

Those were the judgement/punishment listed as four above. Were they forgiven like you assumed? NO They were fulfilled to the letter as will be shown below. However there was some LENIENCY/MERCY shown in the judgement.
1Ki 21:29 Seest thou how Ahab humbleth himself before me? because he humbleth himself before me, I will not bring the evil in his days: but in his son's days will I bring the evil upon his house.

The judgement would not happen in his days or before his eyes e.g like David who lost about two or three of his sons in his days. All the judgement/evil happened still.

Now to the fulfillment. Evil did not leave Ahab for instance like the next chapter shows despite Ahab's craftiness and cleverness.
1Ki 22:23 Now therefore, behold, the LORD hath put a lying spirit in the mouth of all these thy prophets, and the LORD hath spoken evil concerning thee.

See punishment 1 fulfilled below.
1Ki 22:37 So the king died, and was brought to Samaria; and they buried the king in Samaria.
1Ki 22:38 And one washed the chariot in the pool of Samaria; and the dogs licked up his blood; and they washed his armor; according unto the word of the LORD which he spoke.

Punishment 2 and 4 are interwoven as it affects the same set of people, all Ahab's sons. Ahab had over 70 sons according to the Bible. One would think it is impossible for the punishment above to be fulfilled but it was. After Ahab died, Ahaziah his son took over the throne. He died in two years in sickness.

2Ki 1:17 So he died according to the word of the LORD which Elijah had spoken. And Jehoram reigned in his stead in the second year of Jehoram the son of Jehoshaphat King of Judah: because he had no son.

After Ahaziah, Jehoram his brother(another of Ahab's sons) took over the throne. He lasted a little for about 12 years and was quite close to Elisha the prophet despite his evil deeds, unlike his father Ahab that was forever fighting Elijah the prophet. He(Jehoram) also died though, he was killed by one of his servants Jehu. That was after he was also wounded in battle, his brother Ahaziah was wounded by falling off the stairs or so.
2Ki 9:24 And Jehu drew a bow with his full strength, and smote Jehoram between his arms, and the arrow went out at his heart, and he sunk down in his chariot.
2Ki 9:25 Then said Jehu to Bidkar his captain, Take up, and cast him in the portion of the field of Naboth the Jezreelite: for remember how that, when I and thou rode together after Ahab his father, the LORD laid this burden upon him;
2Ki 9:26 Surely I have seen yesterday the blood of Naboth, and the blood of his sons, saith the LORD; and I will requite thee in this plat, saith the LORD. Now therefore take and cast him into the plat of ground, according to the word of the LORD.

As for the rest of Ahab's many sons, here is the account of their death and the cutting of Ahab's posterity.

2Ki 10:6 Then he wrote a letter the second time to them, saying, If ye be mine, and if ye will hearken unto my voice, take ye the heads of the men your master's sons, and come to me to Jezreel by tomorrow this time. Now the king's sons, being seventy persons, were with the great men of the city, which brought them up.
2Ki 10:7 And it came to pass, when the letter came to them, that they took the king's sons, and slew seventy persons, and put their heads in baskets, and sent him them to Jezreel.


2Ki 10:10 Know now that there shall fall unto the earth nothing of the word of the LORD, which the LORD spoke concerning the house of Ahab: for the LORD hath done that which he spoke by his servant Elijah.
2Ki 10:11 So Jehu slew all that remained of the house of Ahab in Jezreel, and all his great men, and his kinsfolk, and his priests, until he left him none remaining.
2Ki 10:17 And when he came to Samaria, he slew all that remained unto Ahab in Samaria, till he had destroyed him, according to the saying of the LORD, which he spoke to Elijah.

Punishment number 3 goes without saying as it is a popular account but i would post it anyway,

2Ki 9:32 And he lifted up his face to the window, and said, Who is on my side? who? And there looked out to him two or three eunuchs.
2Ki 9:33 And he said, Throw her down. So they threw her down: and some of her blood was sprinkled on the wall, and on the horses: and he trod her under foot.
2Ki 9:35 And they went to bury her: but they found no more of her than the skull, and the feet, and the palms of her hands.
2Ki 9:36 Wherefore they came again, and told him. And he said, This is the word of the LORD, which he spoke by his servant Elijah the Tishbite, saying, In the portion of Jezreel shall dogs eat the flesh of Jezebel:

So there you have it, there was no forgiveness for Ahab but leniency/mercy in judgement by postponement. Now to whether the judgement was unjust or misguided, that has already been answered by other even as i scanned through the first page. The reality of life is that man's actions and inactions affect others. Like they say, the leader's sin is a leading sin and the father's sin is a fathering sin. Your grandparents decisions affect you till tomorrow. It affects your genes, your blood group, your genotype, your nationality, your health. When we talk of health history, there's usually the need to know if a particular ailment is in your family because the reality is that that tendency is there for you to be affected. That is the reality of life. Whether that is fair or unfair is not just for argument, neither does it disprove the existence of God as some lazy atheists would want you to believe. If your parents went with the slave trade, you probably may be french today or american and yout condition would not be the same. Same thing if your dad took some decisions that might have made him very very rich or very very poor, it would definitely affect the children. Nevertheless, all these is not exactly set in stone, there is always hope when there is life and a will. that's a long story for another day though.