johnydon22:
perhaps

as are obviously saving our time debating who is allowed to criticize religion or not



Below answer of yours answers this perfectly






Can a religious person also claim that his religious beliefs and ideas proves the existence of God?

You and I cannot deny people always use religion to ferry God, to deny this is to live in denial.

So if a theist can use religion to argue for God, someone else can also do same to argue against it.

The fair jurisdiction is: if an atheist cannot use religion against God when in such an argument centered around religion and God then a theist cannot use religion for God.

johnydon22:
Oh God!!!

johnydon22:
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johnydon22:
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johnydon22:
perhaps

as are obviously saving our time debating who is allowed to criticize religion or not

Below answer of yours answers this perfectly

Can a religious person also claim that his religious beliefs and ideas proves the existence of God?

You and I cannot deny people always use religion to ferry God, to deny this is to live in denial.

So if a theist can use religion to argue for God, someone else can also do same to argue against it.

The fair jurisdiction is: if an atheist cannot use religion against God when in such an argument centered around religion and God then a theist cannot use religion for God.

spacetacular:


An atheist cannot use religion to argue against God simply because religion holds NOTHING against God!

For an atheist to use religion to argue against God they would need to dwell on fantasy and assumptions neither of which are scientific facts.

Which still brings us back to the fantasy world of atheists. Right here we have read atheists use fantasy to explain away God and you wonder why you should not dwell on religion as an atheist? It reveals your fantasy filled lives.

Dwell on God in isolation and present your scientific findings which rule out God. Can you do this without touching religion?

felixomor:


An atheist is never aware of his own assumptions.

KingEbukasBlog:


Let's be honest here bro . You've watched debates between atheists and theists - with theists like Dr Craig , Alvin Platinga , John Lennox etc and atheists like Lawrence Krauss , Richard Dawkins etc involved . No one mentions the bible , visit DrCraig's website where talks about theism philosophy and science @

reasonablefaith.com I don't think you'd see any question concerning God from an atheist answered with a bible quotation or religious talk but when its from a religious person , he does so to reveal or explain the bible's position on that issue raised .

You don't discuss religion with an atheist , its not necessary since atheism does not question religion just God .

As a Christian , I bring the bible when an atheist makes a claim that should involve using the bible .

Give me an example of a religious person using religion to prove God

KingEbukasBlog:


I think atheists can't do without talking about religion . They employ religious skepticism(which does not question the existence of God) because it makes it feel like atheism has more to offer than just lacking the belief in deities .

Atheism is empty , it focuses on the existence of deities , its gets emptier when you realize that it just rejects deification , it is not even a philosophical or scientific position that warrants arguments , logic or science .

KingEbukasBlog:


I think atheists can't do without talking about religion . They employ religious skepticism(which does not question the existence of God) because it makes it feel like atheism has more to offer than just lacking the belief in deities .

Atheism is empty , it focuses on the existence of deities , its gets emptier when you realize that it just rejects deification , it is not even a philosophical or scientific position that warrants arguments , logic or science .

johnydon22:
I thought we have established the fact that one can talk about religion independent of the premise of Gods existence.



Someone might just want to be a religious skeptic, aren't they free to be anymore?

are they not allowed to be religious skeptics?

If they are allowed then on what ground are we raising the alarm.



There is a symbol in Catholic liturgy, a ship and a sea. This symbolizes that the church is a ship that ferries humans across the sea of worldly attachments to heaven.

So an atheist attacking the concept of God may do so often due to the fact that the concept of God is always ferried across a ship of religion at least in theism.

I'm sure if he wants to attack deism he won't also bring up the Quran or veda as points to use.

We are about heading back to where we started

Seun:
What do you believe? (I'm not familiar with your position).

4kings:

Freethinking deist.

Proudgorgeousga:


thread closed.

spacetacular:


In such an insightful discussion this is all you could say? How did that put an end to the discussion when it's shown to be prematurely said.

johnydon22:
tags are no longer my thing

KingEbukasBlog:


1. Which superhuman is worshiped in religions like Unitarian Universalism , Confucianism , Jainism, Buddhism , Raelism ?

2. Atheists have been part of the aforementioned since atheism is the rejection of the deification of an entity . E,g Steve Jobs was atheist Buddhist , Sir Tim Berners-Lee is a religious atheist who is part of Unitarian Universalism

3. The deists totally reject religion (revealed theology) . Revealed theology brings about theistic religions and this is what the deists reject .They focus on natural theology .

4. There are atheists who acknowledge the existence of the First Cause but reject its deification

5. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atheism_and_religion

6. There are occult groups that atheists are part of . Eg LaVeyan Satanism - which is totally atheistic . There are also atheist witches in Wicca and Chaos magic
https://www.quora.com/How-should-I-practice-witchcraft-being-an-atheist

Please research on these things before putting forward a rebuttal . Discard that erroneous belief that atheism rejects religion because there are atheists who are in religion , witchcraft , occultism and deism is without religion .

KingEbukasBlog:


This is the reason why this thread was created. When you have atheists like seun and this other guy believing that questioning religious books and religion means questioning God

superhumanist:


They are right technically.

hahn:


Pardon me Bubu, but if atheists should discuss god and not religion then which god exactly should we discuss about?

STUPUDTHEISTS:
Who's hiding my damn post? I didn't break no rule man.

I think it all makes sense why 'em crybaby theists whinge on this thread about atheists critiques on their mythologies. They are tired of seeing atheists pointing out the ridiculousness of their Bible based god. Watching your precious guarded belief being pummeled by the savage atheists can be heartbreaking. I understand why they have to open a stupid thread and cry out their hearts. Lol

Everybody has the right to critique any idea, theist or non-theist. Frankly speaking, I think this is just another useless thread from the cry baby Christians. We've not seen a Moslem on this thread so far.

The title of this thread should be, "Atheists please stop criticizing my Bible mythology."

STUPUDTHEISTS:
I've seen many atheists but I do not know of any who can endure theists' idiocy like Johnydon22.

Dude can romance with dogmatic and close-minded theists who aren't giving a single Bleep for his own argument.

I wish he can stop sparing his minutes on all these Yahweh's servant with preconceived belief.

KingEbukasBlog:

I'm yet to see any atheist refute my position on this thread

spacetacular:


In such an insightful discussion this is all you could say? How did that put an end to the discussion when it's shown to be prematurely said.

KingEbukasBlog:


Atheism is actually pretty simple, just follow the theist wherever he leads you . Theists deify anything , so your job as an atheist is to reject the deification . You don't even need a reason for the rejection, just do it.

Pardon me Bubu, but if atheists should discuss god and not religion then which god exactly should we discuss about?

KingEbukasBlog:


Atheism is actually pretty simple, just follow the theist wherever he leads you . Theists deify anything , so your job as an atheist is to reject the deification . You don't even need a reason for the rejection, just do it.

Pardon me Bubu, but if atheists should discuss god and not religion then which god exactly should we discuss about?

And also why have theists been unable to agree on ONE god? (Just had to throw this in)

Hopefully you will be able to read this and respond accordingly.

STUPUDTHEISTS:


Can a deist discuss religion?

KingEbukasBlog:


I'm yet to see any atheist refute my position on this thread