otr1:
Are you kidding me? Which of the Peshitta are you talking about in the same sentence with catholic church? Now, tell me the name of the catholic that "did" Peshitta.

you already gave the name of the person many ascribed the Syriac revisions are ascribed to, St Lucian of Antioch. what you didn't note is that he was a Catholic in the Church and in communion with his bishop.



NB. for those who may not be aware most historian do not think the Peshitta was done by one translator. instead it was done by several, the Jews may have first translated the old testament then the Christians from the 2nd century to the 5th added their canon as it was used in church.
and more importantly the Church in those century were Catholic and whatever Christian translator you put forth it would still be a Catholic.

Babacele:
very subtle of you......you used a word (author) you are afraid to defend because of obvious untruths you guys have been peddling. No doubt and beyond any doubt ,the Catholic church made the bible available to the world( copying from old patches and papyrus; translating, compiling, debating, preserving and protecting the different holy writing s especially the post OT scriptures) and has never claimed She wrote Genesis, The Psalms nor the Revelation and neither is their authorship in doubts .

Guy, that claim will never give you salvation. That Catholic Church complied the Bible will never give any Catholic Salvation.

When you die, Jesus won't ask you if you belonged to a church which complied the Bible, What will be required of you will be the New Nature in Christ. Do you have it?

Are you Saved, Transformed, Sanctified, and Renewed? Is your name written in the Book of Life? If you meet Jesus today, will He say to you, 'Come my faithful servant and enter into my rest?', if not, sorry. All these noise here is a waste of time.

Ubenedictus:
I think it was a comprehension problem on your part.


the Catholic church gave us the bible doesn't imply she authored the books in it.

it means you won't have a Christian bible if not for what God used the Church to do.

there were many books that early Christians read in Church, like Shepherd of hermas,gospel of Barnabas, letter of Clement e.t.c. it was the Church that sat and determined which were scripture and which weren't canonical. simply put if not for the Church you won't have a Bible at all, what you'll have is about 100 books all readable.

the Church didn't just set the canon of scripture, she preserved and circulated it, preached it and expounded it for 2000 years.


you wouldn't even know to read the gospel of Mathew instead of the gospel of James if the Church hadn't set the canon and given it to you.

This is the question i have been asking you Catholics for ever. Long before there was a Catholic Church, there were Churches, how did these Churches able to function without the complied Bible? Oh wait!!!, the books were in parchments.
Case in point, Jesus was in the Synagogue and it was handed to him the book of Isaiah and he read where it was written about him..., Parchments.

The Early Church did well with the parchments, pls give my ears a rest.

Now let me say to you what i said to the other brother. When we meet the Master, he won't require from us our credentials of where we worshipped, we are expected to check if our names are written in the Book of Life, if they are not found therein, the noise here will just be noise.


No man can enter into the Kingdom of God except they be Born Again, FINISH, No long talk.

Ubenedictus:

of course Catholics respect the words of their pastors, the Catholic priest bears the anointing of the apostles successors and Jesus said to his apostles "he who hears you hears me"

If the anointing of the Apostle's Successors were and are on the priests of the Catholic Church, the Catholic Church would have been about Jesus, not about Mary and using Jesus as a supplement or an after thought.

Mary is a god in Catholic Church. Funny enough
She was never even mentioned after the death of Christ. She never even demanded any special attention or commendation as a mother of the Master.

Do you remember she served, (took care of feeding and others welfare things) of Christ like the other women did? She was never given a special place amongst the brethren, where did the Catholic Church got the veneration of Mary from? The Apostles never adulated her, if they did and then passed it down, pls show me.

Ubenedictus:

So yes I am happy to respect the words of a clergyman the Bible supports that.

Do you respect the words of the Clergy outside the Catholic Church Church? Why then do you taunt me with 'What your pastor says', everytime. And it just happens that, every word which proceeds from Oyedepos mouth, has a scripture behind it. The Man is totally about the Scriptures. He is a Walking Talking Bible. I'm a student of the word, and will never be there if the word wasn't there.

Ubenedictus:

Good enough Catholic priests are usually knowledgeable in their general knowledge

Yeah right, Christ called you into ministry to rely ona General Knowledge rather than the Wisdom of the Holy Spirit which comes solely from the scriptures. I know, it's that general knowledge that has filled the whole place with the pagan traditions of Rome. Yeah i know that.

Ubenedictus:

... you on the other hand have given us a remix of the king Henry saga and falsely accused Rome of spreading the Christian faith with a sword in Europe...

Lolzzz, You talk about history but you forget we sef can read this history. Did the Catholic take the Gospel to the world for the sake of saving souls Christ died for, wasn't it to conquer lands in the name of Rome and for Rome?

The Portuguese who came to take slaves in Africa, did they present the gospel of salvation to us? No.

The Spanish who destroyed the Incas, Mayans, and Aztec Kingdoms and established the Latin America, was it for the souls of men or for land?

Do you know that the first missionaries in Nigeria were not Catholics but Baptists?

The Anglican Church is more or less Catholic, we have nothing in common with them. We look into the scripture depending on the Holy Spirit for revelations and guidance, not on traditions of men. That's why i don't need Bishop Oyedepo for much. He trains us as pastors to stand everywhere and take charge.

quote author=Ubenedictus post=60896091]
certainly these simply shows your lack of historical knowledge similar to what obtains among pastors,the HOLY spirit didn't teach you these history remix. That is all you and your pastors.[/quote]
When you say History, i know you are talking about what the Catholic Church has concocted for you. lolzzzzz. I read unbiased history, written by Historians not people who have an agenda to promote.

Encyclopedias are there, i started reading this things as a little Catholic girl, i don't why the fascination with this matters, but I was reading.

Brother, if you really read the Bible and not the history written by men to control men, you'd leave the Catholic Church.

Listen, no single person preached me out of the Catholic Church, you couldn't. My passion drives me.

I want to know Jesus, and how to do that, i read the Bible by myself with inner hunger, and the Bible began to speak back to me. I began getting inside to the words which to others are just words.

You can't really read the Bible and not be a Christian.

Pls, go easy with your pastors this, your pastors that,

I know Jesus for myself.

Babacele:
" likes to claim" ? ....but isnt it true that she played an unprecedented role in midwifing the Bible ? Why the Holy Spirit allow the Catholic church to play this big role may elude your understanding but it is a fact you can't wish away: that She gave the Bible to the world.

St Paul never knew the books of Proverbs, Revelation or Mathew were or would be in existence when he wrote his epistles and never talked about them nor was he aware that several holy writings would assembled, debated, some removed and others canonized and a 66 books compiled in one package called the Bible. Neither is any apostle or disciple of Christ aware that a 66 book had been ordained by God when each of them including John of the Revelation wrote their inspirations down , hence the ' do not add or subtract' claim was strictly for the book of Revelation and not for the bible that has been subjected to different additions and subtractions at different councils before the present 68,69 or 66 books depending on your choice of the Christian sects.

more like 73 books

Babacele:
" likes to claim" ? ....but isnt it true that she played an unprecedented role in midwifing the Bible ? Why the Holy Spirit allow the Catholic church to play this big role may elude your understanding but it is a fact you can't wish away: that She gave the Bible to the world.

The Catholic Church did not write any part of the Bible. Moreover, even before the council you guys like to claim decided the Canon of the Bible sat, the Canon of the Bible had pretty much been set by concensus of use. How can you claim that the Catholic Church "gave the Bible to the world" with quotes like this? "Socialism, Communism, clandestine societies, Bible societies... pests of this sort must be destroyed by all means." The encyclical Quanta Cura Issued by Pope Pius IX, December 6, 1866

St Paul never knew the books of Proverbs, Revelation or Mathew were or would be in existence when he wrote his epistles and never talked about them nor was he aware that several holy writings would assembled, debated, some removed and others canonized and a 66 books compiled in one package called the Bible. Neither is any apostle or disciple of Christ aware that a 66 book had been ordained by God when each of them including John of the Revelation wrote their inspirations down , hence the ' do not add or subtract' claim was strictly for the book of Revelation and not for the bible that has been subjected to different additions and subtractions at different councils before the present 68,69 or 66 books depending on your choice of the Christian sects.

Again, I say that it would be credulous of anyone to believe that Paul never thought that his letters would be used as guidance by the churches, or that the apostles would write books which the churches would find useful. Don'the make it look like the Catholic Church prescribed to us the books in the Bible now. These books were in use before Constantine founded the Catholic Church.

I think you're sick and confused

chynie:

I laugh u in latin
1, bible was compiled by the early Christians who laid the Catholic foundation
2, same catholics brought the Bible to u and i
3, they contributed more to education which means more access to Bible
4, the Bible is the truth but other books contains truth also
Your other points are personal views and sounds silly.
The Catholic Church just like other churches has doctrines but the obsession with Catholic Church is amazing. Yet you ppl that critize the church wouldnt mind being naked and eating grass cos pastors ask you to do so and you will claim you are on the right track. Peace

Does mean they should be involved in idolatry?
Isn't the Bible clear on that aspect that they still stick to it

analice107:

Guy, that claim will never give you salvation. That Catholic Church complied the Bible will never give any Catholic Salvation.

When you die, Jesus won't ask you if you belonged to a church which complied the Bible, What will be requite will be the New Nature is Christ? Do you have it?

Are you Saved, Transformed, Sanctified, and Renewed? Is your name written in the Book of Life? If you meet Jesus today, will He say to you, 'Come my faithful servant and enter into my rest?', if not, sorry. All these noise here is a waste.

Yes we know but the fact still remains that it was the Catholic church which decided the books that made it to the Bible. The same Catholic church was responsible for it's delineation into chapters

analice107:

This is the question i have been asking you Catholics for ever. Long before there was a Catholic Church, there were Churches, how did these Churches able to function without the complied Bible? Oh wait!!!, the books were in parchments.
Case in point, Jesus was in the Synagogue and it was handed to him the book of Isaiah and he read where it was written about him..., Parchments.

The Early Church did well with the parchments, pls give my ears a rest.

Now let me say to you what i said to the other brother. When we meet the Master, he won't require from us our credentials of where we worshipped, we are expected to check if our names are written in the Book of Life, if they are not found therein, the noise here will just be noise.


No man can enter into the Kingdom of God except they be Born Again, FINISH, No long talk.

The collection of scriptures called the Bible did not exist before it was created by the Catholic church of the fourth and fifth centuries. BTW the patriarchs whom you called Early church saw themselves as Catholics and practised same doctrines as Catholics. We have in existence writings of Christian leaders if the late first,second,third and fourth centuries if Christianity

PaChukwudi44:

Yes we know but the fact still remains that it was the Catholic church which decided the books that made it to the Bible. The same Catholic church was responsible for it's delineation into chapters

So?

analice107:

So?

That is a historical fact so no one should dispute it

PaChukwudi44:

Yes we know but the fact still remains that it was the Catholic church which decided the books that made it to the Bible. The same Catholic church was responsible for it's delineation into chapters

Will this enlist your name into the Book of Life?

You ignoramuses should try and get yourself acquainted with church history before rushing to make a fool of yourself. The Apostles didn't just write scriptures, they also groomed people to take over from them.Some of this men wrote books.All the gospels were anonymous it was through the church fathers we got to know their authors.

They were several writings flying around in the second, third and fourth centuries all claiming to be scriptures. The Bible then did not exist then. They was no canon nor any single collection of books called Bible. It was the Catholic church which selected the the books that finally made it to the Bible

PaChukwudi44:

The collection of scriptures called the Bible did not exist before it was created by the Catholic church of the fourth and fifth centuries. BTW the patriarchs whom you called Early church saw themselves as Catholics and practised same doctrines as Catholics. We have in existence writings of Christian leaders if the late first,second,third and fourth centuries if Christianity

I know right? Just like the Muslim claim Abraham, Moses, David, Solomon and Christ were all Muslims so the Catholics claim Peter, Paul, Mary, Luke were all Catholics.

Wait!!!, What has their being Catholics got to do with anything anyways?

I asked you a question, Does Christ know you? If death meets you this night and before Jesus you stand, shall He say to you, "Come into my Kingdom my good and faithful servant? Will he ask you which church you attended?

If the trumpet blows now, will to rapture?


Think about your eternity not the Church.

PaChukwudi44:
That is a historical fact so no one should dispute it

Does that historical fact put your name in the book of life?

analice107:

Will this enlist your name into the Book of Life?

Neither will telling lies against the church of God

analice107:

I know right? Just like the Muslim claim Abraham, Moses, David, Solomon and Christ were all Muslims so the Catholics claim Peter, Paul, Mary, Luke were all Catholics.

Wait!!!, What has their being Catholics got to do with anything anyways?

I asked you a question, Does Christ know you? If death meets you this night and before Jesus you stand, shall He say to you, "Come into my Kingdom my good and faithful servant? Will he ask you which church you attended?

If the trumpet blows now, will to rapture?


Think about your eternity not the Church.

Was it a Catholic that created this thread?
After compilation translating and spreading the Bible one riffraff creates a dumb thread about the Bible to mock the Catholic church and you expect us to keep quiet

PaChukwudi44:

Was it a Catholic that created this thread?
After compilation translating and spreading the Bible one riffraff creates a dumb thread about the Bible to mock the Catholic church and you expect us to keep quiet

Why are you dodging my questions?

PaChukwudi44:

Neither will telling lies against the church of God

Hahahahahahahahaha. The Catholic Church is the Church of God? Do you know you are the Church, not that organization or a gigantic building?

analice107:

Guy, that claim will never give you salvation. That Catholic Church complied the Bible will never give any Catholic Salvation.

When you die, Jesus won't ask you if you belonged to a church which complied the Bible, What will be required of you will be the New Nature in Christ. Do you have it?

Are you Saved, Transformed, Sanctified, and Renewed? Is your name written in the Book of Life? If you meet Jesus today, will He say to you, 'Come my faithful servant and enter into my rest?', if not, sorry. All these noise here is a waste of time.

you should have told yourself and the OP before you folks fed the flame of ignorance and veiled hatred for the Catholic church that have survived 2000years of onslaught from the hades.

Babacele:
you should have told yourself and the OP before you folks fed the flame of ignorance and veiled hatred for the Catholic church that have survived 2000years of onslaught from the hades.

Lolzzz, Listen, the Apostasy house will survive till Christ Comes. Do you think it's a coincidence? She is the LovePeddler, Babylon the Great, the Great LovePeddler who will gather the whole earth and galvanize them under one world church to worship the Beast.

It's beginning to happen, follow up the antecedents of your Popes especially Francis. The guy just declared the One World Government, Urging America to flag it up. The platform upon which the Antichrist shall stand to rule the entire earth in due time .

The office of the Pope shall be the Office of the False Prophet to the Antichrist. He will converge the world leaders to embrace the Beast.

Check out what the Pope is up to now. We are watching you guys.

analice107:

Lolzzz, Listen, the Apostasy house will survive till Christ Comes. Do you think it's a coincidence? She is the LovePeddler, Babylon the Great, the Great LovePeddler who will gather the whole earth and galvanize them under one world church to worship the Beast.

It's beginning to happen, follow up the antecedents of your Popes especially Francis. The guy just declared the One World Government, Urging America to flag it up. The platform upon which the Antichrist shall stand to rule the entire earth in due time .

The office of the Pope shall be the Office of the False Prophet to the Antichrist. He will converge the world leaders to embrace the Beast.

Check out what the Pope is up to now. We are watching you guys.

We know you lots have labelled many of our popes " the Antichrist" So how many Antichrists do you have? stale. I d rather prefer an ' antichrist' who shares in the suffering of the poor, extends a hand of brotherhood and love to Muslims in an hostile world, promotes discipline in Christ Jesus and advocates good governance as a panacea to most world problems to a daddy GO performing miracles, preaching veiled hatred for Islam, promoting prosperity rather than socio- economic Justice .

............in one breath you said Christ won't ask about your religion but your deeds, in the same breath you , God, condemned the Catholic totally . By their fruits....

Babacele:

We know you lots have labelled many of our popes " the Antichrist" So how many Antichrists do you have? stale

lolzzz. Eschatology is lost on you. No Pope is an AntiChrist. But the office of the Pontifex Maximus will be The Fasle Prophet to the AntiChrist.

All the Popes which will come before the Beast will galvanize the world's Religions under one umbrella called the One Faith, One World Government, and will be so Charismatic in presenting these ideologies that the world will see a reason to agree, then he will turn it all to the Beast.

Babacele:

I'd rather prefer an ' antichrist' who shares in the suffering of the poor, extends a hand of brotherhood and love to Muslims in an hostile world, promotes discipline in Christ Jesus and advocates good governance as a panacea to most world problems to a daddy GO performing miracles, preaching veiled hatred for Islam, promoting prosperity rather than socio- economic Justice

It's obvious you know nothing about the person of the Antichrist. When it comes to Charisma and public show of kindness and benevolence, your pope is kid running in the park. Go and read the Prophecies of Daniel. Do you think a Nation like Israel will strike a deal with a man who has questionable demeanor?

Everything the Popes and this Pope is doing is to receive the Public's acceptance of their ideologies when the time is right. Making friends with the enemy of the Church of Jesus Christ.

Well, give the Muslims 10years more, they will overrun the Vatican, behead the Pope in St. Peters Square on global TV and turn the Vetican to a Mosque. Keep clapping for him as he stands against the Body of Christ and embraces satan.

Babacele:

..........in one breath you said Christ won't ask about your religion but your deeds, in the same breath you , God, condemned the Catholic totally . By their fruits.....

lolzz, Guy, if your name is not found written in the Book of Life, forget it. Be it Pope, priest, Pastor or president. If the Book gets opened and your name is not there, you'd be directed to where the rich man is.

Did Jesus establish a religion on earth? Did he built an Organisation? No.

What Jesus did is restore man back to the Kingdom he lost in Adam in Eden. Jesus came to restore man back to the mandate given to him in Eden, 'Go into the world and Dominate it'. Dominating, administrating, ruling and taking charge of the earth and most importantly being reborn and renewed in Spirit was the purpose of Christ coming into this earth.

We are Spirit beings living in earthly bodies. God is a spirit and He created us for fellowship primarily, but when we died in Adam, that fellowship ceased, because the part in us which fellowships with God died,

IT IS THAT PART OF US, CHRIST CAME TO RESTORE BACK, TO ENABLE US FELLOWSHIP WITH YAHWEH WHILE WE ARE STILL ALIVE, AND BE WITH HIM WHEN WE DIE.

Now, do you have that new life in Christ? It's far from being about the Church you attend.

When you die without that life, you'd be left outside where there's darkness and gnashing of teeth.

PaChukwudi44:
You ignoramuses should try and get yourself acquainted with church history before rushing to make a fool of yourself. The Apostles didn't just write scriptures, they also groomed people to take over from them.Some of this men wrote books.All the gospels were anonymous it was through the church fathers we got to know their authors.

They were several writings flying around in the second, third and fourth centuries all claiming to be scriptures. The Bible then did not exist then. They was no canon nor any single collection of books called Bible. It was the Catholic church which selected the the books that finally made it to the Bible

You guys like boast!

JMAN05:


You guys like boast!

The truth hurts lol.The other one is now ranting about pope been an Antichrist confused lots

analice107:




lolzzz. Eschatology is lost on you. No Pope is an AntiChrist. But the office of the Pontifex Maximus will be The Fasle Prophet to the AntiChrist.

All the Popes which will come before the Beast will galvanize the world's Religions under one umbrella called the One Faith, One World Government, and will be so Charismatic in presenting these ideologies that the world will see a reason to agree, then he will turn it all to the Beast.


It's obvious you know nothing about the person of the Antichrist. When it comes to Charisma and public show of kindness and benevolence, your pope is kid running in the park. Go and read the Prophecies of Daniel. Do you think a Nation like Israel will strike a deal with a man who has questionable demeanor?

Everything the Popes and this Pope is doing is to receive the Public's acceptance of their ideologies when the time is right. Making friends with the enemy of the Church of Jesus Christ.

Well, give the Muslims 10years more, they will overrun the Vatican, behead the Pope in St. Peters Square on global TV and turn the Vetican to a Mosque. Keep clapping for him as he stands against the Body of Christ and embraces satan.

lolzz, Guy, if your name is not found written in the Book of Life, forget it. Be it Pope, priest, Pastor or president. If the Book gets opened and your name is not there, you'd be directed to where the rich man is.

Did Jesus establish a religion on earth? Did he built an Organisation? No.

What Jesus did is restore man back to the Kingdom he lost in Adam in Eden. Jesus came to restore man back to the mandate given to him in Eden, 'Go into the world and Dominate it'. Dominating, administrating, ruling and taking charge of the earth and most importantly being reborn and renewed in Spirit was the purpose of Christ coming into this earth.

We are Spirit beings living in earthly bodies. God is a spirit and He created us for fellowship primarily, but when we died in Adam, that fellowship ceased, because the part in us which fellowships with God died,

IT IS THAT PART OF US, CHRIST CAME TO RESTORE BACK, TO ENABLE US FELLOWSHIP WITH YAHWEH WHILE WE ARE STILL ALIVE, AND BE WITH HIM WHEN WE DIE.

Now, do you have that new life in Christ? It's far from being about the Church you attend.

When you die without that life, you'd be left outside where there's darkness and gnashing of teeth.

Mumbo-Jumbo! .
........it is funny how you manage to reconcile ' no pope is an Antichrist' , ' office of pontifex maximus' ' all popes before the beast' ,and all other funny hypothesis you bandy up and down...
Did you say the kingdom Jesus lost in Eden? ooh you don't even understand the allegory in that story of creation ....
May thy faith heal thee.

Babacele:
Mumbo-Jumbo! .
........it is funny how you manage to reconcile ' no pope is an Antichrist' , ' office of pontifex maximus' ' all popes before the beast' ,and all other funny hypothesis you bandy up and down...
Did you say the kingdom Jesus lost in Eden? ooh you don't even understand the allegory in that story of creation ....
May thy faith heal thee.

You are so lost. I'm a talking to a kid?

The office of the Pope is the office of the False Prophet to the Antichrist. You don't need to believe it.


Jesus lost a kingdom? Pls go take your meds.

analice107:

You are so lost. I'm a talking to a kid?

The office of the Pope is the office of the False Prophet to the Antichrist. You don't need to believe it.


Jesus lost a kingdom? Pls go take your meds.

lolzz, Guy, if your name is not
found written in the Book of Life,
forget it. Be it Pope, priest, Pastor
or president. If the Book gets
opened and your name is not
there, you'd be directed to where
the rich man is.
Did Jesus establish a religion on
earth? Did he built an
Organisation? No.
What Jesus did is restore man
back to the Kingdom he lost in
Adam in Eden. Jesus came to
restore man back to the mandate
given to him in Eden, 'Go into the
world and Dominate it'.

analice107:

This is the question i have been asking you Catholics for ever. Long before there was a Catholic Church, there were Churches, how did these Churches able to function without the complied Bible? Oh wait!!!, the books were in parchments.
Case in point, Jesus was in the Synagogue and it was handed to him the book of Isaiah and he read where it was written about him..., Parchments.

The Early Church did well with the parchments, pls give my ears a rest.

Now let me say to you what i said to the other brother. When we meet the Master, he won't require from us our credentials of where we worshipped, we are expected to check if our names are written in the Book of Life, if they are not found therein, the noise here will just be noise.


No man can enter into the Kingdom of God except they be Born Again, FINISH, No long talk.

i am an atheist, and pls let no one tell me that because of that, i am the last person to have an opinion here.

Yes, Jesus was given the scrol of Isiah to read, that's because the Jews had already completed their cannon in the concil of jamnia 33 BC and the catholics never claimed they compiled the OT as they only adopted that from the jews.

Secondly, you people talk in a way that i feel you are very much afraid of something! Some people asked me what it would cost me to believe in god and i only need to look at the attitude i am seeing here to be able to be greatful for not believing in the god delusion. To believe in god, judging from the attitude i am seeing from you in particular, i have to say that it would cost me my open mind. Just because you do not like a people doesnt mean you should deny what those people have done that has impacted on even you!

This is one one the down sides of being too hateful, prejudiced and ultra-propagandist towards another person; you find it difficult, almost impossible, to agree that these people you have demonized for long, are actually not the way you have made them out to be and must have done one or two things that you may be astonished to discover!

If to say you fit say na winners compile the bible, you for talk so, but because you know say e day outrightly ridiculous, na wetin make wey you no talk so.

Lastly, this thred wasn't opened by the catholics, it was opened by a non catholic who, like you found it scandalous that the catholics have ever done anything worthwhile.

The thread is not about what one must posess to enter into the kingdom of god, but about who compiled the bible; therefore, it is no good to bring the "will that make you enter the kingdom of god?". You don't know what you come off as to the likes of us who are non christians, and as a result of that, do not feel the need to take sides, and can be a better judge.

You come off as too desperate!

Na just bible them compile wey you no fit accept so, what about the doctrine of the trinity, as well as you worshiping on a sunday and all the other things i am very keen to talk about here?

The catholic church, a christian church, na em you find very difficult say that go don do something this key to christianity. What if i tell you with proof that what you people teach in churches today is EXACTLY the same thing the Rosicrucians, the masons and mystics of all ages even prior the time of Jesus (the same ones you christians call ocultic and devlish), have been talking about and that you guys are now adopting those teachings and portraying them like they are new divine revelations from your god. You don't even know how the 'devlish' people, as you call them, see you when they hear you preach their own teachings in church and portray them as yours.

MiddleDimension:


Na just bible them compile wey you no fit accept so, what about the doctrine of the trinity, as well as you worshiping on a sunday and all the other things i am very keen to talk about here?

This is where the she and the op will clash na. doctoralien once opened a thread on the changing of Sabbath from Saturday to Sunday by Catholics she vehemently disagreed her cognitive dissonance did not let her see reason.

Even this Op will disagree with the fact that the trinity doctrine is as a result of the Roman church influence.
Christianity just tire me sef.