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Can Evolution Produce An Eye? Not A Chance! by DoctorAlien(m): 12:25am On Sep 25, 2017
by David Menton on August 19 2017

link: https://answersingenesis.org/human-body/eyes/can-evolution-produce-an-eye-not-a-chance/

The human brain consists of approximately 12 billion cells, forming 120 trillion interconnections. The light sensitive retina of the eye (which is really part of the brain) contains over 10 million photoreceptor cells. These cells capture the light pattern formed by the lens and convert it into complex electrical signals, which are then sent to a special area of the brain where they are transformed into the sensation we call vision.

In an article in Byte magazine (April 1985), John Stevens compares the signal processing ability of the cells in the retina with that of the most sophisticated computer designed by man, the Cray supercomputer:

"While today’s digital hardware is extremely impressive, it is clear that the human retina’s real time performance goes unchallenged. Actually, to simulate 10 milliseconds (one hundredth of a second) of the complete processing of even a single nerve cell from the retina would require the solution of about 500 simultaneous nonlinear differential equations 100 times and would take at least several minutes of processing time on a Cray supercomputer. Keeping in mind that there are 10 million or more such cells interacting with each other in complex ways, it would take a minimum of 100 years of Cray time to simulate what takes place in your eye many times every second."

If a supercomputer is obviously the product of intelligent design, how much more obviously is the eye a product of intelligent design? And yet, evolutionists are dead certain that the human eye (and everything else in nature) came into being by pure chance and the intrinsic properties of nature! Evolutionists occasionally admit that it is difficult for even them to believe such a thing. Ernst Mayr, for example, has conceded that:

"It is a considerable strain on one’s credulity to assume that finely balanced systems such as certain sense organs (the eye of vertebrates, or the bird’s feather) could be improved by random mutations." (Systematics and the Origin of Species, p. 296)

Evolutionists rarely attempt to calculate the probability of chance occurrence in their imagined evolutionary scenarios. While there is no way to measure the probability of chance occurrence of something as complex as the eye, there are ways to calculate the probability of the chance occurrence of individual protein molecules that are essential to life. Over 100,000 different kinds of proteins have been identified in the human body, and each has a unique chemical composition necessary for its own particular function.

Proteins are polymers, whose chemical composition depends on the arrangement of many smaller subunits called amino acids. There are 20 different kinds of amino acids that are used to construct the proteins of all living organisms, including man. These amino acids are linked together end-to-end (like a string of beads) to form a single protein macromolecule. The average protein consists of a string of 500 amino acids. The total number of combinations of 20 different amino acids in such a string is, for all practical purposes, unlimited. Each protein in our body, however, must contain a specific sequence of amino acids if it is to function properly. It is the task of the genetic system in our cells to organize the assembly of the amino acids into precisely the right sequence for each protein.

Proteins have been called informational macromolecules because their amino acid sequence spells out information, in much the same way as the letters of the alphabet can be arranged to form a sentence or paragraph. We can appreciate the improbability of randomly assembling one of the essential proteins of life by considering the probability of randomly assembling the letters of the alphabet to form even a simple phrase in English.

Imagine if we were to try to spell out the 23 letters and spaces in the phrase “THE THEORY OF EVOLUTION” by using the evolutionary principle of chance. We might proceed by randomly drawing characters from a Scrabble set consisting of the 26 letters of the alphabet plus a space (for a total of 27). The probability of getting any particular letter or space in our phrase using this method would be one chance out of 27 (expressed as 1/27). The probability of getting all 23 letters and spaces in the order required for our phrase can be calculated by multiplying together the probability of getting each letter and space (1/27 × 1/27 × 1/27—for a total of 23 times). This calculation reveals that we could expect to succeed in correctly spelling our phrase by chance, approximately once in eight hundred, million, trillion, trillion draws! If we were to hurry the process along and draw our letters at the rate of a billion per second, we could expect to spell our simple little phrase once in 26 thousand, trillion years! But even this is a “virtual certainty” compared to the probability of correctly assembling any one of the known biological proteins by chance!

The 500 amino acids that make up an average-sized protein can be arranged in over 1 × 10600 different ways (that’s the number ONE followed by 600 zeros)! This number is vastly larger than the total number of atomic particles that could be packed into the known universe. If we had a computer that could rearrange the 500 amino acids of a particular protein at the rate of a billion combinations a second, we would stand essentially no chance of hitting the correct combination during the 14 billion years evolutionists claim for the age of the universe. Even if our high-speed computer were reduced to the size of an electron and we had enough of them to fill a room measuring 10 billion cubic light years (about 1 × 10150 computers!), they would still be exceedingly unlikely to hit the right combination. Such a “room” full of computers could only rearrange about 1 x 10180 combinations in 300 billion years. In fact, even if all the proteins that ever existed on earth were all different, our “room” full of computers would be exceedingly unlikely to chance upon the combination of any one of them in a mere 300 billion years!

Evolutionists counter that the whole probability argument is irrelevant since evolution is utterly purposeless, and thus never tries to make anything in particular! They insist, moreover, that “natural selection” makes the impossible, possible. But evolutionists were vigorously challenged on this claim by mathematicians in a symposium held at Massachusetts Institute of Technology (the proceedings were published in the book, Mathematical Challenges to the Neo-Darwinian Interpretation of Evolution). Murray Eden, Professor of Engineering at M.I.T. said:

The chance emergence of man is like the probability of typing at random a meaningful library of one thousand volumes using the following procedure: Begin with a meaningful phrase, retype it with a few mistakes, make it longer by adding letters; then examine the result to see if the new phrase is meaningful. Repeat this process until the library is complete.

I will leave it to the reader to consider the probability that an intelligent Designer and Builder can intelligently design and build an eye.

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Re: Can Evolution Produce An Eye? Not A Chance! by sentalfa: 12:26am On Sep 25, 2017
doG did it.
Re: Can Evolution Produce An Eye? Not A Chance! by felixomor: 4:18am On Sep 25, 2017
A fool sees an IBM computer,
He acknowledges The maker of the computer

The same fool sees a human being which is a billion times more complex than the computer, he assumes the human is a product of random accident.

Nice one, Op.
Not a chance.

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Re: Can Evolution Produce An Eye? Not A Chance! by butterflylion: 5:52am On Sep 25, 2017
DoctorAlien:
by David Menton on August 19 2017

link: https://answersingenesis.org/human-body/eyes/can-evolution-produce-an-eye-not-a-chance/

The human brain consists of approximately 12 billion cells, forming 120 trillion interconnections. The light sensitive retina of the eye (which is really part of the brain) contains over 10 million photoreceptor cells. These cells capture the light pattern formed by the lens and convert it into complex electrical signals, which are then sent to a special area of the brain where they are transformed into the sensation we call vision.

In an article in Byte magazine (April 1985), John Stevens compares the signal processing ability of the cells in the retina with that of the most sophisticated computer designed by man, the Cray supercomputer:

"While today’s digital hardware is extremely impressive, it is clear that the human retina’s real time performance goes unchallenged. Actually, to simulate 10 milliseconds (one hundredth of a second) of the complete processing of even a single nerve cell from the retina would require the solution of about 500 simultaneous nonlinear differential equations 100 times and would take at least several minutes of processing time on a Cray supercomputer. Keeping in mind that there are 10 million or more such cells interacting with each other in complex ways, it would take a minimum of 100 years of Cray time to simulate what takes place in your eye many times every second."

If a supercomputer is obviously the product of intelligent design, how much more obviously is the eye a product of intelligent design? And yet, evolutionists are dead certain that the human eye (and everything else in nature) came into being by pure chance and the intrinsic properties of nature! Evolutionists occasionally admit that it is difficult for even them to believe such a thing. Ernst Mayr, for example, has conceded that:

"It is a considerable strain on one’s credulity to assume that finely balanced systems such as certain sense organs (the eye of vertebrates, or the bird’s feather) could be improved by random mutations." (Systematics and the Origin of Species, p. 296)

Evolutionists rarely attempt to calculate the probability of chance occurrence in their imagined evolutionary scenarios. While there is no way to measure the probability of chance occurrence of something as complex as the eye, there are ways to calculate the probability of the chance occurrence of individual protein molecules that are essential to life. Over 100,000 different kinds of proteins have been identified in the human body, and each has a unique chemical composition necessary for its own particular function.

Proteins are polymers, whose chemical composition depends on the arrangement of many smaller subunits called amino acids. There are 20 different kinds of amino acids that are used to construct the proteins of all living organisms, including man. These amino acids are linked together end-to-end (like a string of beads) to form a single protein macromolecule. The average protein consists of a string of 500 amino acids. The total number of combinations of 20 different amino acids in such a string is, for all practical purposes, unlimited. Each protein in our body, however, must contain a specific sequence of amino acids if it is to function properly. It is the task of the genetic system in our cells to organize the assembly of the amino acids into precisely the right sequence for each protein.

Proteins have been called informational macromolecules because their amino acid sequence spells out information, in much the same way as the letters of the alphabet can be arranged to form a sentence or paragraph. We can appreciate the improbability of randomly assembling one of the essential proteins of life by considering the probability of randomly assembling the letters of the alphabet to form even a simple phrase in English.

Imagine if we were to try to spell out the 23 letters and spaces in the phrase “THE THEORY OF EVOLUTION” by using the evolutionary principle of chance. We might proceed by randomly drawing characters from a Scrabble set consisting of the 26 letters of the alphabet plus a space (for a total of 27). The probability of getting any particular letter or space in our phrase using this method would be one chance out of 27 (expressed as 1/27). The probability of getting all 23 letters and spaces in the order required for our phrase can be calculated by multiplying together the probability of getting each letter and space (1/27 × 1/27 × 1/27—for a total of 23 times). This calculation reveals that we could expect to succeed in correctly spelling our phrase by chance, approximately once in eight hundred, million, trillion, trillion draws! If we were to hurry the process along and draw our letters at the rate of a billion per second, we could expect to spell our simple little phrase once in 26 thousand, trillion years! But even this is a “virtual certainty” compared to the probability of correctly assembling any one of the known biological proteins by chance!

The 500 amino acids that make up an average-sized protein can be arranged in over 1 × 10600 different ways (that’s the number ONE followed by 600 zeros)! This number is vastly larger than the total number of atomic particles that could be packed into the known universe. If we had a computer that could rearrange the 500 amino acids of a particular protein at the rate of a billion combinations a second, we would stand essentially no chance of hitting the correct combination during the 14 billion years evolutionists claim for the age of the universe. Even if our high-speed computer were reduced to the size of an electron and we had enough of them to fill a room measuring 10 billion cubic light years (about 1 × 10150 computers!), they would still be exceedingly unlikely to hit the right combination. Such a “room” full of computers could only rearrange about 1 x 10180 combinations in 300 billion years. In fact, even if all the proteins that ever existed on earth were all different, our “room” full of computers would be exceedingly unlikely to chance upon the combination of any one of them in a mere 300 billion years!

Evolutionists counter that the whole probability argument is irrelevant since evolution is utterly purposeless, and thus never tries to make anything in particular! They insist, moreover, that “natural selection” makes the impossible, possible. But evolutionists were vigorously challenged on this claim by mathematicians in a symposium held at Massachusetts Institute of Technology (the proceedings were published in the book, Mathematical Challenges to the Neo-Darwinian Interpretation of Evolution). Murray Eden, Professor of Engineering at M.I.T. said:

The chance emergence of man is like the probability of typing at random a meaningful library of one thousand volumes using the following procedure: Begin with a meaningful phrase, retype it with a few mistakes, make it longer by adding letters; then examine the result to see if the new phrase is meaningful. Repeat this process until the library is complete.

I will leave it to the reader to consider the probability that an intelligent Designer and Builder can intelligently design and build an eye.

My guy this is even the least of the problem. They do not know that every single stage of their eye evolution was riddled with an insane amount of randomness. Before one single part of the eye was formed the chances of that happening were a mathematical improbability but somehow evolution got it right. cheesy

Somebody here now would come along and start trying to tell you how the eye is not perfect and that a perfect all powerful God should have made it perfect.

Sometimes you cannot help but laugh at some foolish talk from foolish people.

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Re: Can Evolution Produce An Eye? Not A Chance! by originalKsp(m): 7:25am On Sep 25, 2017
DoctorAlien:

I will leave it to the reader to consider the probability that an intelligent Designer and Builder can intelligently design and build an eye.

Whether the world is designed or not follows from 2 premises:

1. Something exhibits signs of design
2. Anything exhibiting sign of design must be designed
Conclusion: if something exhibits signs of design, then it must have been designed.

One cannot accept both premises and deny the conclusion. What the evolutionists do is to deny any of the 2 or both because they know if they accept Both premises, then they must accept the conclusion.

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Re: Can Evolution Produce An Eye? Not A Chance! by butterflylion: 7:38am On Sep 25, 2017
originalKsp:


Whether the world is designed or not follows from 2 premises:

1. Something exhibits signs of design
2. Anything exhibiting sign of design must be designed
Conclusion: if something exhibits signs of design, then it must have been designed.

One cannot accept both premises and deny the conclusion. What the evolutionists do is to deny any of the 2 or both because they know if they accept Both premises, then they must accept the conclusion.


Gbam! No mind those deceivers. Anything is acceptable except intelligent design grin

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Re: Can Evolution Produce An Eye? Not A Chance! by DoctorAlien(m): 1:22pm On Sep 25, 2017
butterflylion:


My guy this is even the least of the problem. They do not know that every single stage of their eye evolution was riddled with an insane amount of randomness. Before one single part of the eye was formed the chances of that happening were a mathematical improbability but somehow evolution got it right. cheesy

Somebody here now would come along and start trying to tell you how the eye is not perfect and that a perfect all powerful God should have made it perfect.

Sometimes you cannot help but laugh at some foolish talk from foolish people.

Hehe smiley
Re: Can Evolution Produce An Eye? Not A Chance! by DoctorAlien(m): 1:59pm On Sep 26, 2017
Bump!
Re: Can Evolution Produce An Eye? Not A Chance! by obisco4u: 8:36pm On Sep 26, 2017
Can God create a perfect, flawless world? NOT A CHANCE!
Re: Can Evolution Produce An Eye? Not A Chance! by DoctorAlien(m): 8:39pm On Sep 26, 2017
obisco4u:
Can God create a perfect, flawless world? NOT A CHANCE!

The world was created perfect and flawless.

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Re: Can Evolution Produce An Eye? Not A Chance! by obisco4u: 8:47pm On Sep 26, 2017
DoctorAlien:

The world was created perfect and flawless.
Proof? Which world exactly?
Re: Can Evolution Produce An Eye? Not A Chance! by DoctorAlien(m): 8:50pm On Sep 26, 2017
obisco4u:


Proof? Which world exactly?

Now, that is not the topic of the thread. This thread is about whether evolution could have produced the eye. Let us not derail it.

Create a thread on whether God created/could create a perfect world and invite me. I assure you, I'll answer every reasonable question you have.
Re: Can Evolution Produce An Eye? Not A Chance! by DoctorAlien(m): 10:16am On Sep 27, 2017
Good morning
Re: Can Evolution Produce An Eye? Not A Chance! by DoctorAlien(m): 2:08pm On Sep 28, 2017
Good afternoon
Re: Can Evolution Produce An Eye? Not A Chance! by DoctorAlien(m): 5:39pm On Sep 29, 2017
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Re: Can Evolution Produce An Eye? Not A Chance! by sonofthunder: 8:57pm On Sep 29, 2017
DoctorAlien:
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round of applause sir...

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Re: Can Evolution Produce An Eye? Not A Chance! by DoctorAlien(m): 11:46am On Sep 30, 2017
"To whom then will ye liken me, or shall I be equal? saith the Holy One.Lift up your eyes on high, and behold who hath created these things, that bringeth out their host by number: he calleth them all by names by the greatness of his might, for that he is strong in power; not one faileth." Isaiah 40:25-26
Re: Can Evolution Produce An Eye? Not A Chance! by DeSepiero(m): 12:04pm On Sep 30, 2017
DoctorAlien:


The world was created perfect and flawless.

How can one know the truth if the truth is possibly distinct from ones strongly held preconceived notions?
Re: Can Evolution Produce An Eye? Not A Chance! by scaler345: 12:06pm On Sep 30, 2017
AIG
I pass.
Re: Can Evolution Produce An Eye? Not A Chance! by DoctorAlien(m): 12:17pm On Sep 30, 2017
scaler345:
AIG
I pass.

This is a logical fallacy called argumentum ad hominem which means attack on the person and not on his argument. Why don't you refute with evidence any of the points made in the article?
Re: Can Evolution Produce An Eye? Not A Chance! by DoctorAlien(m): 12:21pm On Sep 30, 2017
DeSepiero:


How can one know the truth if the truth is possibly distinct from ones strongly held preconceived notions?

I believe the truth is attested to by evidence. One is bound by a moral obligation not to deny the truth, provided that it has been proven beyond reasonable doubts to be the truth.

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Re: Can Evolution Produce An Eye? Not A Chance! by Ahasco(m): 12:36pm On Sep 30, 2017
That's the power of imagination
Re: Can Evolution Produce An Eye? Not A Chance! by plaetton: 1:07pm On Sep 30, 2017
felixomor:
A fool sees an IBM computer,
He acknowledges The maker of the computer

The same fool sees a human being which is a billion times more complex than the computer, he assumes the human is a product of random accident.

Nice one, Op.
Not a chance.
And this is how fools reason.
They skip many critical thoughts, and arrive at foolishness.

Now to the subject.

Actually an IBM computer is a simple example of the process of evolution.

I challenge you, if you're smart enough, to think deeply about the IBM Computer and how it demonstrates the processes of evolution.

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Re: Can Evolution Produce An Eye? Not A Chance! by DoctorAlien(m): 1:13pm On Sep 30, 2017
plaetton:

And this is how fools reason.
They skip many critical thoughts, and arrive at foolishness.

Now to the subject.

Actually an IBM computer is a simple example of the process of evolution.

I challenge you, if you're smart enough, to think deeply about the IBM Computer and how it demonstrates the processes of evolution.

How does IBM computer, which was intelligently thought out, and consciously assembled by an intelligent Designer demonstrate evolution which claims that systems a billion times more complex and balanced than the IBM Computer came out of the chance occurrence of impossible events?
Re: Can Evolution Produce An Eye? Not A Chance! by felixomor: 1:21pm On Sep 30, 2017
plaetton:

And this is how fools reason.
They skip many critical thoughts, and arrive at foolishness.

Now to the subject.

Actually an IBM computer is a simple example of the process of evolution.

I challenge you, if you're smart enough, to think deeply about the IBM Computer and how it demonstrates the processes of evolution.
Hmmm, i feel you

Yeah the IBM computer evolved from biro and paper.
Some wind blew the biro and it started to write on the paper and after sometime, the paper became molten iron and it became a factory according to the forces of physics...

Yeah yeah cool
Ediorts

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Re: Can Evolution Produce An Eye? Not A Chance! by DoctorAlien(m): 1:24pm On Sep 30, 2017
felixomor:

Hmmm, i feel you

Yeah the IBM computer evolved from biro and paper.
Some wind blew the biro and it started to write on the paper and after sometime, the paper became molten iron and it became a factory according to the forces of physics...

Yeah yeah cool
Ediorts

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Re: Can Evolution Produce An Eye? Not A Chance! by Ranchhoddas: 1:27pm On Sep 30, 2017
plaetton:

And this is how fools reason.
They skip many critical thoughts, and arrive at foolishness.

Now to the subject.

Actually an IBM computer is a simple example of the process of evolution.

I challenge you, if you're smart enough, to think deeply about the IBM Computer and how it demonstrates the processes of evolution.
I bet you he cannot.

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Re: Can Evolution Produce An Eye? Not A Chance! by plaetton: 1:32pm On Sep 30, 2017
DoctorAlien:


How does IBM computer, which was intelligently thought out, and consciously assembled by an intelligent Designer demonstrate evolution which claims that systems a billion times more complex and balanced than the IBM Computer came out of the chance occurrence of impossible events?
This post above, for anyone who understands the theory of evolution, is actually a good argument FOR the theory of evolution.
What an irony. grin

Think deeply.
You're thinking in very shallow, very unscientific terms.
And this is the reason understanding the theory of evolution is difficult, if not impossible for you folks.

The point is that cognitive dissonance , which by the way, is a real psychological phenomenon, would not allow you to even try to understand the basic ideas about evolution.

It baffles me why you guys commit this incredible folly of trying to argue against something for which you lack the basic understanding.
It really baffles me.

Let's be honest here.
You're here to preach and promote your skydaddy, not to discuss or possibly learn anything new about the theory of evolution.
If you really wanted to learn, everything you need to learn about the theory of evolution is in the public domain.

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Re: Can Evolution Produce An Eye? Not A Chance! by plaetton: 1:34pm On Sep 30, 2017
felixomor:

Hmmm, i feel you

Yeah the IBM computer evolved from biro and paper.
Some wind blew the biro and it started to write on the paper and after sometime, the paper became molten iron and it became a factory according to the forces of physics...

Yeah yeah cool
Ediorts
Lol.
I give you E for effort.

Try harder.
Re: Can Evolution Produce An Eye? Not A Chance! by felixomor: 1:36pm On Sep 30, 2017
plaetton:

Lol.
I give you E for effort.

Try harder.

Sorry, you are not qualified to give anything.
Your reasoning is below the barest minimum required here.
Re: Can Evolution Produce An Eye? Not A Chance! by DoctorAlien(m): 1:39pm On Sep 30, 2017
[s]
plaetton:

This post above, for anyone who understands the theory of evolution, is actually a good argument FOR the theory of evolution.
What an irony. grin

Think deeply.
You're thinking in very shallow, very unscientific terms.
And this is the reason understanding the theory of evolution is difficult, if not impossible for you folks.

The point is that cognitive dissonance , which by the way, is a real psychological phenomenon, would not allow you to even try to understand the basic ideas about evolution.

It baffles me why you guys commit this incredible folly of trying to argue against something for which you lack the basic understanding.
It really baffles me.

Let's be honest here.
You're here to preach and promote your skydaddy, not to discuss or possibly learn anything new about the theory of evolution.
If you really wanted to learn, everything you need to learn about the theory of evolution is in the public domain.
[/s]

How does the intelligent design of the IBM Computer demonstrate evolution which claims to be propelled by blind, unintelligent forces of nature in no particular direction?

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Re: Can Evolution Produce An Eye? Not A Chance! by Ranchhoddas: 1:42pm On Sep 30, 2017
DoctorAlien:


How does IBM computer, which was intelligently thought out, and consciously assembled by an intelligent Designer demonstrate evolution which claims that systems a billion times more complex and balanced than the IBM Computer came out of the chance occurrence of impossible events?
Evolution is not a "chance occurrence of impossible events". It is a stepwise process involving gradual incremental changes over an an extended period of time.
Think about the IBM analogy again. From the large and slow mainframe computers all the way to the pocket-sized devices we have today. Computers have changed drastically over time to get to the fastest and most efficient possible systems. It's not chance. It's not random. It's evolution.
I know you'll get it.
Felixmoron won't.

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