A-40:

@Ritchboy
Can you tell me when last you heard Zidane missed a penalty? Go and ask David James and Iker Casillas how Zizou's freekicks stretched em past their elastic limits. Zizou's dead ball abilities can't be phocked with! He is The Cool

Pace is not a compulsory attribute for a midfield general or playmaker. Xavi,Cesc,Lampard,Ballack,Alonso,Mendieta (in his prime),Veron,Riquelme,Effenberg,Andreas Moller et al are playmakers that are or where not pacy does it dent their credentials? I think not! Strikers like Kluivert,Rivaldo,Del Piero,Bergkamp where not exactly speedstars and their lack of speed doesn't diminish their street cred
As for shooting and finishing i have used the Lampard & Xavi example too many times. If you can't beat your chest and tell me that Lampard is better than Xavi since he finishes and scores better than you don't have an argument on the Ronnie & Zizou tip. What next would you tell us that Ronald Koeman is better than Maldini since he is a better finisher?

Stamina you say again? What stamina? A Ronaldinho that would not track back if he loses posession even if a Tec9 was pulled at his mom is who you are saying has stamina. I laugh in Mr Ibu. Whats the fuss bout stamina when Zizou has longevity

If we where rating players based on their Agility then Julius Aghahowa,Cele Babayaro and Obinna Nsofor would be the best 3 players ever. Agility as a playmaker attribute? Thats just desperate

Efficiency? Hehe you must be Al Gore giving a lecture on global warming and energy efficiency. As abstract as your claim is i would still be quick to tell you that Ronaldinho and efficiency are like two d.i.c.ks that can't mix

my wahala exactly.

Why would anyone want to tell me, even after after all his credentials, that he is over hyped.

A40
ur arguments are ridiculous. You cant just single out one ability and say 'if we judge players on that ability, then player x is better than player y'. What about the other abilities? Obviously it would be daft to conclude Lampard is better than Xavi based on ONE ABILITY(shooting) when Xavi does many other things better than Lampard. Do you now see how absurd your logic is?
Even more absurd is giving examples of players who didnt have pace and saying it didnt stop them from being great. Tell me, if any of them had pace, wouldnt it have made them even better players than they were/are?

Ronaldinho is more efficient than Zidane. Efficiency and Statistics walk hand in hand, and Ronaldinho's stats obliterate Zidane's. Zidane only managed 12 goals ONCE in his entire career, that is very POOR for an attacking midfielder who is supposed to be the best thing since mobile phones, no matter how you twist it. Even a washed up Ronnie has managed 12 goals already this season in just 27 games(it took Zidane 49 games to do same). In fact, in Ronaldinho's worst season(06/07) in his prime, he still scored 25 times. . . Zidane would have sacrificed his first son to appease the gods if he ever managed that.

So for the last time, if one player completely destroys another in terms of ability, efficiency/statistics, and versatility, what is the basis for comparison? Oh i forgot, the latter played well in two finals. I laugh in Na'vi.

ritchboy i respect u cos of ur outspokeness and gunner cred but eyin junoir better than zizou? i laff in reverse hyena, zidane who scored in major competition finals who single handedly made the brazilian team in 06 that included same dinho look like zamfara utd

@Ritchboy
There are certain abilities that just don't count in midfield play and those are what you have been listing all thread long.
As for the Xavi & Lampard thingy you made me bring it up cos you kept harping on shooting & finishing in our argument besides all the players i listed did not need pace to get around the pitch! They had sufficient pace to dominate their positions for 90mins! Any other thing is surplus to requirement

As regards efficiency and your points thereof i can only laugh in Fatman Scoop cos if we go by your flawed thesis your darling Ronaldinho is surely not fit to shine the boots of a Messi and a C.Ron
Did you also factor that Zizou plays deeper than Ronnie and is bound to get more goals. Plus we don't even know their conversion ratios so your claim is a bit wild and is more generic than specific cos if Zidane scores 12 from 40 shots on goal and Ronnie scores 25 from 100 shots on goal can you say Ronnie is more efficient? Simply say he's scored more goals and you'd have an argument
Lets retrace our steps shall we

Pace - Not a necessity for a player in Zidane's position. The reason why is simple there are a gazillion people holding down that role without it

Agility - Another surplus to requirement! a scalar quantity. How do you measure agility

Stamina - Ichiro's Law states that a player that cannot track back to save his momma's life cannot be said to have stamina

Versatility - A specialist is more valuable than a Jack of all trades anywhere on this planet

Very soon you would tell us Ronnie is better cos he rocks a ponytail and Zidane is bald

Ronaldinho at his peak was shit at the mundial Zidane at his peak owned Mundials

ritchboy:

Efficiency and Statistics walk hand in hand, and Ronaldinho's stats obliterate Zidane's. Zidane only managed 12 goals ONCE in his entire career, that is very POOR for an attacking midfielder who is supposed to be the best thing since mobile phones, no matter how you twist it. Even a washed up Ronnie has managed 12 goals already this season in just 27 games(it took Zidane 49 games to do same). In fact, in Ronaldinho's worst season(06/07) in his prime, he still scored 25 times. . . Zidane would have sacrificed his first son to appease the gods if he ever managed that.

So for the last time, if one player completely destroys another in terms of ability, efficiency/statistics, and versatility, what is the basis for comparison? Oh i forgot, the latter played well in two finals. I laugh in Na'vi.

I see you are contradicting your points in our Lampard/Gerrard debate to now make a case for Ronaldinho. . . bloody hypocrite!

Anyway, Zizou was great, but a tad overloved. In 2000 for example, Figo was easily the best player in the world based on form, but Zidane won the WPOTY simply cos France won Euro 2000. . . despite the fact he had a shocking domestic season.

Anyway, what Ronaldinho produced from 2004-2006 was a level of performance that Zidane never achieved in his life. . . but greatness comes with discipline. . . Ronnnie was ill-disciplined at PSG, and ill-disciplined from 2006 onward. . . . hence Zidane is greater than Ronaldinho. . .  .but at their peaks, Ronaldinho > Zidane!

Ibime:

I see you are contradicting your points in our Lampard/Gerrard debate to now make a case for Ronaldinho. . . bloody hypocrite!

Anyway, Zizou was great, but a tad overloved. In 2000 for example, Figo was easily the best player in the world based on form, but Zidane won the WPOTY simply cos France won Euro 2000. . . despite the fact he had a shocking domestic season.

Anyway, what Ronaldinho produced from 2004-2006 was a level of performance that Zidane never achieved in his life. . . but greatness comes with discipline. . . Ronnnie was ill-disciplined at PSG, and ill-disciplined from 2006 onward. . . . hence Zidane is greater than Ronaldinho. . .  .but at their peaks, Ronaldinho > Zidane!

Useless argument. . . . . .In other words, Linekar is greater than Maradona because Maradona was ill-disciplined?
Cheese n Rice. . . . .Kluivert is also greater than Romario cos Romario was ill-disciplined?
When exactly did you start watching football in the global level?

~Sauron~:

Useless argument. . . . . .In other words, Linekar is greater than Maradona because Maradona was ill-disciplined?
Cheese n Rice. . . . .Kluivert is also greater than Romario cos Romario was ill-disciplined?
When exactly did you start watching football in the global level?

Zidane had over a decade at the top. Ronaldinho only had 3.

Therefore Zidane is greater than Ronaldinho.

If you ask me, at their peaks Ronaldinho was better than Zidane. . . but he cannot be greater than Zidane cos greatness requires discipline and longevity.

Ibime:

Zidane had over a decade at the top. Ronaldinho only had 3.

Stop exaggerating. . . . .Zidane had no brilliance for a decade.
As at 1999, Roy Keane was mopping the floor with Zidane in European games so quit this wankery.

Therefore Zidane is greater than Ronaldinho.

I disagree. . . . Zidane cannot be greater than Ronaldinho based on that fact.
Is Henry greater than Fat Ronaldo just because Henry has longevity? We are comparing the best of Dinho vs the best of Zidane.
Only a blind man will choose Zidane based on what threat they pose to opponents.

If you ask me, at their peaks Ronaldinho was better than Zidane. . . but he cannot be greater than Zidane cos greatness requires discipline and longevity.

By your logic, Kevin Phillips is greater than Van Basten. . . . .Sol Campbell is greater than Sammer and Okocha is greater than Maradona.

Eastbay:

So poorly that Real Madrid were willing to make him the World's costliest footballer in 2001.
Besides,Ronaldinho was worse at PSG.
Zizou rules by a stretch and a mile.

I never said Zizou played poorly @ juve however anyone who watched Serie A during that period would categorically tell you that Rui Costa was every bit as good as Zidane during their time in Serie A.
As i've said in my previous post, IMO Zidane is  better than Dinho(cuz of country's performance) but not by much.

Ibime:

Anyway, Zizou was great, but a tad overloved. In 2000 for example, Figo was easily the best player in the world based on form, but Zidane won the WPOTY simply cos France won Euro 2000. . . despite the fact he had a shocking domestic season.

That is the reason why I don't take the FIFA WPOTY Awards seriously. The Ballon D'or is the more prestigious award.

chic2pimp:

I never said Zizou played poorly @ juve however anyone who watched Serie A during that period would categorically tell you that Rui Costa was every bit as good as Zidane during their time in Serie A.

I raised that issue because you wanted to know what Zizou did while with Juve.
If Zizou was ordinary,Real wouldn't splash that amount of cash on him.

Eastbay:

I raised that issue because you wanted to know what Zizou did while with Juve.
If Zizou was ordinary,Real wouldn't splash that amount of cash on him.

By the same token, Real splashed 30 milla on Xabi Alonso and Alonso is shyte.
Man City splashed 47 milla on Tevez and the tarado is animal dung.

Zidane @ Juventus was a mediocre player.
Scholes and Keane mopped the floor with his bald head in the years between 1997 and 1999.

Eastbay:

I raised that issue because you wanted to know what Zizou did while with Juve.
If Zizou was ordinary,Real wouldn't splash that amount of cash on him.

I asked the dude that question because It seems he was only judging Zidane's performance based on a few youtube clips.
We all know Zizou was far from being Ordinary and anyone that says otherwise is only kidding himself.

~Sauron~:

By the same token, Real splashed 30 milla on Xabi Alonso and Alonso is shyte.
Man City splashed 47 milla on Tevez and the tarado is animal dung.

Zidane @ Juventus was a mediocre player.
Scholes and Keane mopped the floor with his bald head in the years between 1997 and 1999.

You've got to be kidding me right?
The years he played in Italy were his best years. It was those years that cemented his legacy as a great player.
Lol @ Bald head .
Between the years 1997-1999 the only midfielder that could lay claim to being better than Zidane was Fernando Redondo.

chic2pimp:

You've got to be kidding me right?
The years he played in Italy were his best years. It was those years that cemented his legacy as a great player.

He was not better than Roy Keane in the years between 1997 and 1999.
It was the World Cup that cemented his legacy as a great player not his club contribution. . . .Edgar Davids was a better performer even in those years.

Between the years 1997-1999 the only midfielder that could lay claim to being better than Zidane was Fernando Redondo.

I will put Roy Keane in that category as well.
Zidane had no answer to Keane's trickery in Turin when Roy Keane pissed all over Juventus midfielders in the best away performance United have ever copped under SAF.

~Sauron~:

He was not better than Roy Keane in the years between 1997 and 1999.
It was the World Cup that cemented his legacy as a great player not his club contribution. . . .Edgar Davids was a better performer even in those years.

Ofcourse he was better than Keane during that period.
It was both his club and International performances that cemented his legacy.
He was instrumental in juve's scudetto wins.

~Sauron~:


I will put Roy Keane in that category as well.
Zidane had no answer to Keane's trickery in Turin when Roy Keane pissed all over Juventus midfielders in the best away performance United have ever copped under SAF.

Trickery ke Bulldozery you mean r
There is no denying it, Keane was superb in the away leg but that does mean he was better than Zizou during that period, of course not.

chic2pimp:

Ofcourse he was better than Keane during that period.
It was both his club and International performances that cemented his legacy.
He was instrumental in juve's scudetto wins.

Zidane was a nobody before France 98. . . . .FACT!!!
The grand players before that tournament were Del Piero, Fat Ronaldo, Luiz Enrique, Effenberg, etc.
Who was Zinedine Zidane in European football in those years? Scholes sodomised him constantly in those formative years.
He won a world cup they hosted scoring 2 goals against Brazil in the Final after playing shyte teams in the group stages. . .

Trickery ke Bulldozery you mean r
There is no denying it, Keane was superb in the away leg but that does mean he was better than Zizou during that period, of course not.

I hope you know that wasn't the only time Keane had used Zidane's bald head to mop the floor.
Juventus were in United's group in 97/98 season and Scholes made Zidane look like a houseboy in those games.
In 1999, despite Del Piero's 1st minute goal at OT, Scholesy punished Zidane and gave him the running around of his life. . . .

Zidane said this after the game. . . . "My toughest opponent? Scholes of Manchester. He is the complete midfielder.
Scholes is undoubtedly the best midfielder of his generation."

~Sauron~:

Zidane was a nobody before France 98. . . . .FACT!!!
The grand players before that tournament were Del Piero, Fat Ronaldo, Luiz Enrique, Effenberg, etc.
Who was Zinedine Zidane in European football in those years? Scholes sodomised him constantly in those formative years.
He won a world cup they hosted scoring 2 goals against Brazil in the Final after playing shyte teams in the group stages. . .

Zizou was not 'A Nobody', he wasn't well known that's all. After all he came third in the Ballon D'or votings in 1997.
How can a player who came third in the Ballon d'or votings not be a Grand Player while the likes of Del Piero and Luis Enrique were? .
Also, The Dude won the worldcup whilst giving one of the most memorable performances in a Worldcup finals and all you could think of was the teams France played in the group stages

~Sauron~:

I hope you know that wasn't the only time Keane had used Zidane's bald head to mop the floor.
Juventus were in United's group in 97/98 season and Scholes made Zidane look like a houseboy in those games.
In 1999, despite Del Piero's 1st minute goal at OT, Scholesy punished Zidane and gave him the running around of his life. . . .

Zidane said this after the game. . . . "My toughest opponent? Scholes of Manchester. He is the complete midfielder.
Scholes is undoubtedly the best midfielder of his generation."

I watched every Man United vs Juve game during Zidane's years @ The Del Alpi and I've never saw Scholes teach Zidane a footballing lesson.
Also regarding that quote I bet Zizou said the same thing about many opponents.

chic2pimp:

Zizou was not 'A Nobody', he wasn't well known that's all. After all he came third in the Ballon D'or votings in 1997.

When you are not well known. . . .You are a NOBODY!!!

How can a player who came third in the Ballon d'or votings not be a Grand Player while the likes of Del Piero and Luis Enrique were? .

Ballon d'Or does not always reflect what goes on the pitch.
Zidane was not among the players to watch before France 98.

Also, The Dude won the worldcup whilst giving one of the most memorable performances in a Worldcup finals and all you could think of was the teams France played in the group stages

Memorable? What was so memorable about France 98 final?
It was a HOME game for France plus the fact that Ronaldo became ill just before the game.

I watched every Man United vs Juve game during Zidane's years @ The Del Alpi and I've never saw Scholes teach Zidane a footballing lesson.
Also regarding that quote I bet Zizou said the same thing about many opponents.

I am not so sure you did. . . . . . .

Ibime
how did i contradict myself? I judge players primarily on ability & efficiency(which is usually reflected in statistics). Thats not to say efficiency=statistics, a player's efficiency isnt always reflected in his stats i.e Iniesta, and vice versa i.e Lampard, whose stats define the word "misleading".
Gerrard's ability murders Lampard's, and they are equally efficient. Overall, Gerrard shytes on Lampard with relative ease.

A40
while Messi and Ronaldo's stats are probably as good as Dinho's, Dinho slaughters Messi and Ronaldo combined in terms of ABILITY.
Although Zidane played slightly deeper, Ronnie played WIDE and Zidane played central. Last time i checked, goals are scored from the middle of the park.
Of course, a player who scores 25 times from 100 shots is more efficient than a player who scored 12 times from 40 shots, as long as they played the same number of minutes. There is a BIG difference between shot conversion ratio and efficiency.

And A40 has the audacity to tell us pace isnt relevant for an attacking midfielder. . . His reason: there are good attacking midfielders that didnt have it. Should i begin to list the names of world class strikers that lacked strength? Maybe strength is useless for a striker. . . you are unbelievable!

Soon A40 would tell us passing, dribbling, shooting, etc are irrelevant in football. . . SATAN WEPT!

@Ritchboy
Haha lemme Pacquiao you once and for all.
Judging by stats please tell us when Ronnie scored 30 goals in a season or scored 10 goals in the UCL. Lemme use your flawed theory against you. Talking about ability do you mean Ronnie's ability to ball-joggle, do snake-bites and dance galala,konto,yahoozey,samba and salsa on the ball or do you mean abilities relevant to footie? If we are talking about the latter then comparing Ronnie to C.Ron is like comparing a Cessna to a Gulfstream V jet cos Ronaldo is stronger,quicker,fitter,better aerially,stronger shot,scores more goals,uses both feet, and can play anywhere in front. So if you still feel Ronaldinho has more ability then I laugh in Yahoozey

What do you mean by goals are scored from the middle of the park? Whats the average goal ratio of a CAM compared to a WF/SS? Oya tell us what we can use to judge efficiency besides shot conversion ratio? Dude are you high on Alomo Bitters?

Pace is relevant in that position but not a necessity! Do i type this in your local dialect? Cos i think i have pointed that out in Terabytes already

ritchboy:

SATAN WEPT!

Hehehe

A40
oh, so you dont see stamina as an important asset in football, but u are telling us Ronaldo is "fitter" than Dinho. You deserve a medal.
Ronaldo would subject his immediate and extended family to Hatian voodoo to possess half of Ronaldinho's abilities. The only things he has over Dinho are his aerial ability and pace(which are both unsurprisingly PHYSICAL attributes). He gets owned BIG TIME in virtually every other department:
Technique - nowhere near Dinho
Passing - nowhere near Dinho
Dribbling - Nowhere near Dinho
Crossing - nowhere near Dinho
First Touch/Ball Control - nowhere near Dinho

It is an insult of titanic proportions to compare Ronaldo's ability to Ronaldinho's. . . Such blasphemy should warrant a 1 year ban.
You are basically saying Ronaldo is better than Dinho in terms of ability, statistics and versatility, and is therefore the better player. . . Shocking!

P.S. I dont see what Ronaldo has to do with the topic(Zidane being a bald overrated Algerian inferior to Ronaldinho)

@Ritchboy
Obviously stamina is required in anything even motorsport but since Dinho can't track back to save his momma's life how can you even claim he has stamina? Fitness is more about your ability to steer clear of injury over the duration of a season, its not exactly the same as stamina

By the way what is your proof that Dinho is a better passer,crosser or dribbler than C.Ron? Do you know how many times he gets pick pocketed for every snake-bite he tries? Highlights and youtube clips wont show you that

Ability - C.Ron has more in his pantry

Stats - C.Ron stomps him in the nuts

Versatility - Omo ma so mo

Incase you never know i brought up the C.Ron angle just to show you how ridiculous your point was if you don't agree that since C.Ron has the better stats,has the little Xtra Ronaldinho is missing because whether you like it or not C.Ron is a better all round player than Ronnie how do you expect me to agree with your assertion that Zizou is inferior because of that same damn reason?

A40
that Ronaldinho has better stamina than Zidane doesnt mean he is a race-horse. That a 5'5 man is taller than a 5'4 man doesnt exactly make him tall, now does it?

Who in his right mind would ask for 'proof' that Dinho passes the ball better than Ronaldo? I mean, are you phucking kiddin me? Cos if ur not, that statement puts ur credibility in serious jeopardy. Soon you would ask me for proof that Ibrahimovic has better technique than Drogba. . . Oh wait, u just said Ronaldo is a better player than Ronaldinho. . . One shocking statement after another, its amazing.

Ronaldinho murders Zidane in terms of ability, efficiency & statistics, so he is clearly the better player(can you name any player that is superior to another in those areas and isnt better? I didnt think so).
Ronaldinho also murders Ronaldo in terms of ability and efficiency(overall contribution to his team). Statistically, Ronaldo has the edge(thanks in large part to one virtuoso season). Overall Ronaldinho is the better player.

But why do i even bother replying, when you would just come back and say "can you prove Ronaldinho is quicker than Zidane?". . . I give up.

@Ritchboy
I'm sure you calculate Ronaldinho's stamina by his ability to do snakebites. A player that would not track back or cross his halfway line ain't got no stamina, a player that was hot for just 3 seasons and fizzled out ain't got stamina. This i'd argue from here to Mount Fuji

Besides you do know there are stats for pass completion. Bring em out and lets crunch numbers, You are not arguing with ya maiguard

You clearly have a problem swallowing your own medicine and i have even helped you clarify issues you obfuscated with abstract grammar. Ronaldinho's numbers are inferior he is less efficient and he lacks a lot of abilities C.Ron posesses! Your logic is what i'm using against you and unlike you i have provided more facts than fiction

Zizou is a living legend, Dinho needs to head-butt somebody soon to be half acclaimed as Zizou is/was.

Chac

Zizou was already making WORLD X1 teams b4 u knew him then, how can u say a 3rd placer in BDor was a nobody, ur dad must not read that !

A40
what facts have you provided?
A. Zidane is a better free kick taker than Ronaldinho. . . LAUGHABLE
B. Ronaldo passes the ball better than Ronaldinho. . . COMICAL
C. Players can be judged by one ability alone. . . PREPOSTEROUS
D. Pace and shooting are irrelevant abilities for an attacking midfielder. . . LUDICROUS
E. Ronaldo is a better "all round" player than Ronaldinho. . . ABOMINABLE
etc etc etc

statements like that have made me lose my appetite for this debate.
now you can go and lie down
EOD

@Ritchboy
Obviously you have run out of opaks tn type. I never said A neither did i say B nor C or D but i defo said E and every stats under the sun is available to back it up. Lemme reconstruct your post anyway

A. Ronaldinho is not better at set-pieces than Zidane they are by and large at par but if you asked me who i would want to take a World cup winning freekick or P.K i'd go for Zidane

B. Prove to us that Ronaldinho passes better or take a hike. I am not Danjuma your maiguard

C. If you are sure you have a cojones and not a chocha quote where i said that

D. Don't be simple minded Ritchboy i know you are smarter than that. I said they where relevant but not a necessity even pointing out other excellent AM'S without those qualities in generous proportions

E. Yup based on the logic you used on the Ronaldinho vs Zidane debate, C.Ronaldo is actually better than Ronaldinho

You have credited me with statements i did not make and made me repeat myself endlessly on a logic so simple even a caveman would understand. I should be the one losing appetite not you

I agree Zidane is over rated...At their best Ronaldinho is much better...France won because they had a great team...
where was Zidane when Real madrid fans gave Ronnie a Standing ovation at the Santiago Bernabeu?
where was Zidane in Euro 04, even in WC 06' franc played poorly at the group stage with Zidane in it...until he was sent off they never played well.
I agree against brazil he played great, the rest was down to french defence and the likes of Viera and Henry winning penalties for Zidane to score...
Anyone in their right minds will realize that Ronaldinho is an incredibly talented footballer,best footballer of the last decade, and at his best not even messi compares to him...
Simply put Zidane is somewhat overrated...Even before him there was Michael Laudrup who is far better than Zidane but most people don't even know him...

I am a big fan of both Zizou and Ronaldinho because they were from somewhere in another galaxy. Well, no one is perfect and absolute better than anyone else, as we could see from them, they had their own strength and uniqueness, also weaknesses. So, let's thank to the god for having opportunities to see them playing , enjoy the game and stop debating cheers

IMO... zidane is not overrated, yes there was some significant flops in his career but there were tremendous highs too..

the team of henry,descamps,barthez,lizarzu,petit was a great one but there is no denying that zidane was the CALM CONTROLLER of that team.. he didnot tear teams apart like maradona or ronaldo did but he rather dictated the teams. he was the most truest playmaker and before seeing zizou in 2006, i only thought that football was all about goals.. in the quarter-final match against brazil, when he gave that fantastic long-range assist to henry from the free-kick, only then i understood that football much much more than just goals.. then i saw how he absolutely controlled the midfield like a calm genius in the semifinal against portugal and scored the only goal from penalty..he again scored from penalty in the final calmly but materazzi event spoiled everything.

zizou had great impacts for france in 98 wc, 00 euro, 04 euro and 06 WC.. without him ,france got out in first round of 02 and 10 WC.. he also was the decider of 02 CL when he scored the stunning left-foot volley to win madrid their 9th CL.. in this sense, he is definitely among the very greatest of all time..

A40: @Ritchboy
Haha lemme Pacquiao you once and for all.
Judging by stats please tell us when Ronnie scored 30 goals in a season or scored 10 goals in the UCL. Lemme use your flawed theory against you. Talking about ability do you mean Ronnie's ability to ball-joggle, do snake-bites and dance galala,konto,yahoozey,samba and salsa on the ball or do you mean abilities relevant to footie? If we are talking about the latter then comparing Ronnie to C.Ron is like comparing a Cessna to a Gulfstream V jet cos Ronaldo is stronger,quicker,fitter,better aerially,stronger shot,scores more goals,uses both feet, and can play anywhere in front. So if you still feel Ronaldinho has more ability then I laugh in Yahoozey

What do you mean by goals are scored from the middle of the park? Whats the average goal ratio of a CAM compared to a WF/SS? Oya tell us what we can use to judge efficiency besides shot conversion ratio? Dude are you high on Alomo Bitters?

Pace is relevant in that position but not a necessity! Do i type this in your local dialect? Cos i think i have pointed that out in Terabytes already

Na A40 hype Ronaldo like this?? #BringBackOurA40