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Re: US, UK Will Not Recognise Catalonia Indepen.... by NickD(m): 8:03pm On Oct 27, 2017
ninjasta:
The UK will not recognise the Catalan
parliament's decision to declare independence
from Spain, Downing Street says.
Theresa May's official spokesman said the
declaration was based on a vote that had been
declared illegal.
He added that the UK wanted to see the unity of
Spain preserved.
The Catalan regional parliament has voted to declare
independence from Spain, while the Spanish
parliament has approved direct rule over the region.
Catalan independence crisis escalates
What powers does Catalonia have?
Moment Catalans declare independence - BBC
News
The UK prime minister's spokesman said in a
statement: "The UK does not and will not recognise
the unilateral declaration of independence made by
the Catalan regional parliament."
"It is based on a vote that was declared illegal by
the Spanish courts. We continue to want to see the
rule of law upheld, the Spanish constitution
respected, and Spanish unity preserved."
Catalan MPs backed the independence motion 70-10
in a ballot boycotted by the opposition.
Spanish Prime Minister Mariano Rajoy had told
senators direct rule was needed to return "law,
democracy and stability" to Catalonia.
UK Foreign Secretary Boris Johnson earlier offered
his support to the Spanish PM.
After a meeting with Portugal's foreign minister in
Lisbon, he said: "We don't think, as far as we
understand the matter, that the referendum on
independence was well-founded in law.
"Therefore we remain very clear in our view that we
should uphold the constitutional integrity and
sovereignty of our Spanish friends and that's really
our commitment and our pledge."

source..
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-41783238?ns_mchannel=social&ns_campaign=bbc_breaking&ns_source=twitter&ns_linkname=news_central
The UK are jokers they could exit from Europe with BREXIT and now another country have done theirs and they won't recognize it jokers.
Re: US, UK Will Not Recognise Catalonia Indepen.... by ivolt: 8:04pm On Oct 27, 2017
gypsey:
thank God! the queen of England will not behead me for calling britain a crooked country, those days are long gone! some european countries are beginning to see their crookedness. nowadays grin

There are no differences between the western European countries and Great Britain(none are saint or
benevolent).
The UK was just more successful in spreading their global dominance, that is why
Europe would rather the UK remain in the EU.

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Re: US, UK Will Not Recognise Catalonia Indepen.... by ivolt: 8:06pm On Oct 27, 2017
NickD:

The UK are jokers they could exit from Europe with BREXIT and now another country have done theirs and they won't recognize it jokers.

EU is not a country, it is an organization with an "exit" clause.
Same cannot be said of real countries who usually don't have an
exit clause.

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Re: US, UK Will Not Recognise Catalonia Indepen.... by ivolt: 8:09pm On Oct 27, 2017
Exclusive32:

That was the department of state and not Trump. remember when tillerson said USA will honor the Iran deal and trump did the opposite. remember when tillerson was saying USA will dialogue with north Korea and Trump was saying different thinks.

You have forgotten that Trump is "America First", he has no real
interest in world affairs safe for one that can bolster his image.
Moreover, I don't think has the power to unilaterally recognize
a country. The executive is the weakest of the US 3 arms of government.

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Re: US, UK Will Not Recognise Catalonia Indepen.... by Exclusive32: 8:13pm On Oct 27, 2017
ivolt:


You have forgotten that Trump is "America First", he has no real
interest in world affairs safe for one that can bolster his image.
Moreover, I don't think has the power to unilaterally recognize
a country. The executive is the weakest of the US 3 arms of government.
but he unilaterally discertify Iran deal. He s the president, he makes important decisions in foreign policies .
Re: US, UK Will Not Recognise Catalonia Indepen.... by Nobody: 8:15pm On Oct 27, 2017
hucienda:
It will be difficult for most countries to support 'cos they also dealing with secessionist movements in theirs - Scotland in the UK; Biafra in Nigeria; Lombardi, Corsica, Sicily in Italy etc.


Yea, that is very true.

But along the line they will accept them. Let the Catalonians fight on if that is what they want.
Re: US, UK Will Not Recognise Catalonia Indepen.... by Martin0(m): 8:15pm On Oct 27, 2017
gypsey:
Great! i am moving to Catalonia! grin i hear their women are very beautiful and sexy tongue with big butts and breasts.

Hahaha;Dsgrin;Dsgringrin odegwu indi igbo of ekwulobiagrin
Re: US, UK Will Not Recognise Catalonia Indepen.... by Txsharp(m): 8:15pm On Oct 27, 2017
There is no doubt about the fact that the actions of the Catalan separatists who declared independence amounted to political brigandage. First, the separatists breached the Spanish constitution by organizing a regional referendum despite the fact that under the Spanish constitution only the Spanish government can call a referendum of any kind. Second, in the so-called referendum which the Catalan separatists organised only around 48% of people who lived in Catalonia actually participated in it since most people stayed away because there was a court order that forbade the referendum. Furthermore, the Catalan separatists grossly erred by using the outcome of that illegitimate exercise as a basis for declaring independence. From clear indications, the so-called catalonia independence is going to be short-lived because apart from the fact that the US and the EU are not going to recognize Catalonia as a country, the Spanish government has stated it's going to suspend the autonomy of the region of Catalonia and dissolve its government while the Catalan separatists who participated in the illegal declaration of independence will be charged for sedition.

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Re: US, UK Will Not Recognise Catalonia Indepen.... by Nobody: 8:16pm On Oct 27, 2017
Bolustical:
You mean the same UK,US and other power that our brothers here in Nigeria are hoping will support them? grin tongue

Adonbilivit!


Read further up.
Re: US, UK Will Not Recognise Catalonia Indepen.... by Nobody: 8:16pm On Oct 27, 2017
ivolt:


There are no differences between the western European countries and Great Britain(none are saint or
benevolent).
The UK was just more successful in spreading their global dominance, that is why
Europe would rather the UK remain in the EU.
true! talk!
Re: US, UK Will Not Recognise Catalonia Indepen.... by Martin0(m): 8:17pm On Oct 27, 2017
gypsey:
you may not be wrong, i suspect same.
not only these countries you have mentioned Above, i believe more and more countries may follow.


Yes not excluding africa
Re: US, UK Will Not Recognise Catalonia Indepen.... by Martin0(m): 8:20pm On Oct 27, 2017
gypsey:
who gives a shiit! what the US or UK thinks! they are the most hypocritical and crooked countries on earth. they go about causing war and killing innocent women men and children and taking their resorces.
they also sell Arms to poor countries. coerce them into waging war against themselves so as to sell more Guns, bombs and grenades to them. they send innocent young American and biritish youths to their deaths in the name of the Army and fighting uneccerssary wars. while the children of their politicians are busy getting Educated so as to take over from were their crooked parents stopped.

Britain sell Arms to yemen, and the yemenis are killing children and women with these arms. even though they will be the first in line to preach peace and they also claim to be a member of united nation

Hmmm I gbadu ugrin
U will be a good politician to the people of ekwulobia I hope it come

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Re: US, UK Will Not Recognise Catalonia Indepen.... by Nobody: 8:21pm On Oct 27, 2017
Bolustical:
In International Politics, RECOGNITION (especially by the big powers) is the most important characteristic of a state as it boost the legitimacy of the government and provide avenue for international trade. This is what the likes of Kanu do not know, that the big powers in their own interests will not recognize the secession of any state any longer because of heir national interests.

And going by the stances of these powers as regards PALESTINE, the KURDS and now CATALONIA, I think those chanting secession here in Nigeria should see the hand writing on the wall.

Moreover, the last successful SECESSION that took place in 2011 (South Sudan) has created more humanitarian problems to the world than its intention of peace thus no one is ready to listen to anything secession or referendum.




California are also agitating to leave American. California is the richest state/ region in America, Catalonia is also richest region in Spain.
Biafra is also the richest region in nigeria.

America do not want California to agitate more, that's why they announced they won't support Catalonia.


But independence is the most important thing. Gradually nations will accept the new country, many will agree to do business with them, many will refuse, but at the end of the day they will be accepted by all. EU, Uk n Us stand on the matter is not surprising. EU, UK n US also didn't support the Kurds referendum.

Do the math.

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Re: US, UK Will Not Recognise Catalonia Indepen.... by ponziponzi(m): 8:40pm On Oct 27, 2017
PrecisionFx:





California are also agitating to leave American. California is the richest state/ region in America, Catalonia is also richest region in Spain.
Biafra is also the richest region in nigeria.

America do not want California to agitate more, that's why they announced they won't support Catalonia.


But independence is the most important thing. Gradually nations will accept the new country, many will agree to do business with them, many will refuse, but at the end of the day they will be accepted by all. EU, Uk n Us stand on the matter is not surprising. EU, UK n US also didn't support the Kurds referendum.

Do the math.

Stop lying, how is Catalonia the richest in Spain?

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Re: US, UK Will Not Recognise Catalonia Indepen.... by GODWIN78(m): 8:41pm On Oct 27, 2017
Bolustical:
In International Politics, RECOGNITION (especially by the big powers) is the most important characteristic of a state as it boost the legitimacy of the government and provide avenue for international trade. This is what the likes of Kanu do not know, that the big powers in their own interests will not recognize the secession of any state any longer because of heir national interests.

And going by the stances of these powers as regards PALESTINE, the KURDS and now CATALONIA, I think those chanting secession here in Nigeria should see the hand writing on the wall.

Moreover, the last successful SECESSION that took place in 2011 (South Sudan) has created more humanitarian problems to the world than its intention of peace thus no one is ready to listen to anything secession or referendum.
stop masturbating with Biafra issue,
our case is different,
hypocrite every were.

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Re: US, UK Will Not Recognise Catalonia Indepen.... by toyinjimoh(m): 8:42pm On Oct 27, 2017
toyinjimoh:
why u de take panadol for another person headache
Re: US, UK Will Not Recognise Catalonia Indepen.... by TI1919(m): 8:44pm On Oct 27, 2017
[s]
enemyofprogress:
when CIA come carry you now,you go begin cry and beg sey no be you talk am
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Re: US, UK Will Not Recognise Catalonia Indepen.... by enemyofprogress: 8:46pm On Oct 27, 2017
TI1919:
[s][/s]
Some people are just too wicked without conscience, selling fake rat poison despite recession, please don't be a victim.
Taste before you pay to ensure it is original.... Original is salty.

Re: US, UK Will Not Recognise Catalonia Indepen.... by Nobody: 8:50pm On Oct 27, 2017
Martin0:


Hmmm I gbadu ugrin
U will be a good politician to the people of ekwulobia I hope it come
No problemo! i will vote for you!
Re: US, UK Will Not Recognise Catalonia Indepen.... by Martin0(m): 8:51pm On Oct 27, 2017
gypsey:
No problemo! i will vote for you!

Hahahah vote for me?grin No na I don't want u to vote for me,lemme vote for ugrin
Re: US, UK Will Not Recognise Catalonia Indepen.... by TI1919(m): 8:52pm On Oct 27, 2017
[s]
enemyofprogress:
Some people are just too wicked without conscience, selling fake rat poison despite recession, please don't be a victim.
Taste before you pay to ensure it is original.... Original is salty.
[/s]


Nairaland e-rat grin cheesy

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Re: US, UK Will Not Recognise Catalonia Indepen.... by Nobody: 8:53pm On Oct 27, 2017
Martin0:



Yes not excluding africa
Africa is a third world country, it will take them 600 years to be like some european countries. sorry! grin

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Re: US, UK Will Not Recognise Catalonia Indepen.... by Martin0(m): 8:55pm On Oct 27, 2017
gypsey:
Africa is a third world country, it will take them 600 years to be like some european countries. sorry! grin

Ow it good u said some European countriesgrin
Meaning we are better that somegrin
Re: US, UK Will Not Recognise Catalonia Indepen.... by Nobody: 8:57pm On Oct 27, 2017
When the US and UK said they do not recognize IPOB as a terror group, they were castigated as agents of terror and balkanization by people here.

When the UK say they do not recognize Catalonia as having the unilateral power to declare independence, they are cast as bastions of great ideals by the same people here.

Are these contrasting arguments by the same people not evidence of cognitive dissonance? Hahahaha.

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Re: US, UK Will Not Recognise Catalonia Indepen.... by Nobody: 9:11pm On Oct 27, 2017
Martin0:


Ow it good u said some European countriesgrin
Meaning we are better that somegrin
yes! some African countries are better than some european countries
Re: US, UK Will Not Recognise Catalonia Indepen.... by Rosskii: 9:14pm On Oct 27, 2017
It is always difficult for national governments to recognise separatist groups in other countries, for the simple fact that that emboldens latent separatist sentiments within their own territories.

After all, as its own dissidents would say, if their govt can recognise THAT foreign separatist group's right to self-determination, WHY can't it do the same at home?

So this is why it would be quite difficult for Biafra to gain significant backing from external actors or foreign powers.

No government wants to preside over the dismantlement of its territory.

The truth is that there is a hardly any nation on earth that is without some element of separatist sentiment brewing somewhere in its superstructure, including ethnically homogeneous nations.

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Re: US, UK Will Not Recognise Catalonia Indepen.... by Martin0(m): 9:16pm On Oct 27, 2017
gypsey:
yes! some African countries are better than some european countries

Oh I seegrin
Well am sure no country in africa act like the England who cause problems to other countries and see it as a way of extracting from their resources...
Re: US, UK Will Not Recognise Catalonia Indepen.... by GODWIN78(m): 9:31pm On Oct 27, 2017
UK are parasites, they got nothing to offer,
we Biafra,s wouldn't be allies with uk,as a matter of fact Catalonia's can exist without UK,
all the countries that was colonised by France have free visa to France,
the UK collect crude oil worth billion,s from Nigeria every year,just because they gave the Hausa Fulani power,we biafra,n,s say no to one Nigeria,
and no mortal man can stop Biafra.

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Re: US, UK Will Not Recognise Catalonia Indepen.... by lindaayim(f): 9:34pm On Oct 27, 2017
bidierichie:
What is their (UK) problem?

Must you force people to stay together?

If you did not recognise their independence, are you feeding them?

Do they ask for your aid?

UK abeg park well and let Catalonia live in peace.
Can't catalonia not recognize UK's brexit? just asking
Re: US, UK Will Not Recognise Catalonia Indepen.... by bidierichie: 9:44pm On Oct 27, 2017
lindaayim:
Can't catalonia not recognize UK's brexit? just asking


The question is......for what?

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Re: US, UK Will Not Recognise Catalonia Indepen.... by salford1: 10:02pm On Oct 27, 2017
martineverest:
UK is scared

I see Europe getting shattered... That's y EU remain silent


I see countries like wallonia, Sicily, Basques, corsica, bravaria, Lombardia,western Sahara, southern Cameron, Andalucia, canary Island, confederate states, Venice, piedmont, Quebec etc in next 5yrs
Quebec would never leave Canada..at the moment..quebec gains much more from Canada.

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Re: US, UK Will Not Recognise Catalonia Indepen.... by ninjasta: 10:35pm On Oct 27, 2017
gbam

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