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Re: The Fatal Error Of Allah by Amberon11: 7:55am On Oct 29, 2017
But Muslims are the dirtiest people in nigeria Na.you have mallams and Northerners that don't bath for months. Hahahah
UmarIbnShittu:

agreed
1. I don't practice the religion which I can't pray to GOD directly
2. I don't practice un hygienic religion both th pastor and followers can just stand anywhere (infront of ladies,children,guyz) like dogs to urinate and they don't clean up, and any slight dirt or impurity I get often get skin irritation ie allergy.
Re: The Fatal Error Of Allah by malvisguy212: 9:59am On Oct 29, 2017
UmarIbnShittu:


last I check it u dat can't comprehend a simple self explanatory verse.


And who has tym for you
if you cannot answer the question, why are you a Muslim ?
Re: The Fatal Error Of Allah by malvisguy212: 10:01am On Oct 29, 2017
plainbibletruth:
It's clear that majority of Moslems have been CONDITIONED to only accept what they are told about the quran, The hadith and Islam.

Point them to a clear INCONSISTENCY or ERROR in the quran (the quran which btw Mohamed never wrote but recited to others who eventually compiled the recitations into a book several years after his death) and they will refuse to see it because that would go against their CONDITIONING. Going ahead to accept weaknesses in Islam would mean confronting the TRUTH; something many of them are unwilling or afraid to face.

That is why NOT ONE OF THEM has been able to answer the questions asked on just a single simple portion of the quran. They just can't face the truth!

Jesus Christ said:
"I am the way, and the TRUTH, and the life; no one comes to the Father except through me"
John 14: 6
God bless you
Re: The Fatal Error Of Allah by malvisguy212: 10:11am On Oct 29, 2017
Emusan:



So you think there's no error in what you quoted, right

A critical examination of this sura you quoted point out many errors that debunked Islam:

1. The Prophets here are the one before Muhammad who are NOT Arabians

2. The people who Allah made covenant with through those Prophets are the people of that time, lineage of those Prophets and tribe of those Prophets. NOT ANOTHER TRIBE OR LINEAGE

Now from the sura you quoted, the sura said "...and then there come TO YOU a messenger fulfilling that which is WITH YOU... "

Notice the "TO YOU & WITH YOU" in the above outline which is the same people those Prophets spoke with.

I can't but help to ask after reading this verse, why would Allah now send a messenger to those who Allah didn't make covenant with?
good observation, welcome bro

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Re: The Fatal Error Of Allah by UmarIbnShittu(m): 10:37am On Oct 29, 2017
Amberon11:
But Muslims are the dirtiest people in nigeria Na.you have mallams and Northerners that don't bath for months. Hahahah


Hadiths on Importance of Cleanliness

Here the Prophet Muhammad (SAW) gave the greatest importance to remaining clean by declaring it as a part of faith.

1. Abu Malik Al-Ash`ari (RA) reported that the Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings be upon him) said:
“Purity is half of iman (faith). “

Prophet Muhammad (SAW) provided Muslims with a means to please Allah (SWT) through something that is beneficial to them.

2. Aisha (RA) reported that the Prophet (SAW) said, “The miswak (a twig used for tooth brushing) cleanses and purifies the mouth and pleases the Lord.”
(An-Nasa’I and IbnKhuzaimah; authenticated by Al-Albani)

3. Abu Hurairah (RA) reported that the Messenger of Allah (SAW) said,
“Were it not that I might overburden my followers, I would have commanded them to use the miswak before every prayer.”
(Al-Bukhari and Muslim)

Prophet Muhammad (SAW) declared personal hygiene to be basic human nature.

4. Abu Hurairah (RA) reported that the Prophet (SAW) said:
“Five practices are of the fitrah (natural disposition): circumcision, shaving the pubic region, clipping the nails and cutting the moustaches short.”
(Al-Bukhari and Muslim)

Prophet Muhammad (SAW) informed us of one of the ways on how to gain forgiveness on the best day for Muslims

5. Abu Dharr (RA) reported that the Prophet (SAW) said:
“Whoever takes a bath on a Friday and does it well, and purifies himself and does it well, and puts on his best clothes, and puts on whatever Allah decrees for him of the perfume of his family, then comes to the mosque and does not engage in idle talk or separate (pushing between) two people; he will be forgiven for (his sins) between that day and the previous Friday.”
(IbnMajah and authenticated by Al-Albani)

Prophet Muhammad (SAW) not only gave importance to personal hygiene by also informed us to keep the environment clean.

6. Mu`adh (RA) reported that the Prophet (SAW) warned,
“Beware of the three acts that cause you to be cursed: relieving yourselves in shaded places (that people utilize), in a walkway or in a watering place.”
(Ranked sound, hasan,by Al-Albani)

7. Abu Dharr Al-Ghafari (RA) reported that the Prophet (SAW) said,
“Removing harmful things from the road is an act of charity (sadaqah).”
(Authenticated by Al-Albani)



So is either you are lying or they don't knw what they are doing or they are not muslims

Wall'Allahu a'alam

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Re: The Fatal Error Of Allah by UmarIbnShittu(m): 10:46am On Oct 29, 2017
malvisguy212:
if you cannot answer the question, why are you a Muslim ?
it because it's soaked tissue paper that is locked inside your skull that why you couldn't see that I and iamgenius have answered your question
Re: The Fatal Error Of Allah by UmarIbnShittu(m): 1:33pm On Oct 29, 2017
malvisguy212:
good observation, welcome bro
*laughing*
Re: The Fatal Error Of Allah by UmarIbnShittu(m): 1:33pm On Oct 29, 2017
malvisguy212:
good observation, welcome bro
undecided
Re: The Fatal Error Of Allah by Emusan(m): 1:35pm On Oct 29, 2017
UmarIbnShittu:


last I check it u dat can't comprehend a simple self explanatory verse.


And who has tym for you

You called it self explanatory verse and yet you're the one who lacked the simple comprehension.

Here is the INTRO of the verse: "3:81. (Recall the time) when Allâh bound (the people) to a covenant through the Prophets (saying),..."

i. (Recall the time): This shows that it's a past event being narrated.
ii. when Allah bound (the people): who are these people?

The people of Muhammed? No!
The people of the Prophets? Yes!

Are the Prophets Arabian? No!

iii. Bound (the people) to a COVENANT through the Prophets: If the Prophets and the people aren't Arabian, why Muhammed an Arabian sent by Allah?

Or you can simply tell us the people who Allah is referring to, than that will clear the air.
Re: The Fatal Error Of Allah by UmarIbnShittu(m): 3:07pm On Oct 29, 2017
Emusan:


You called it self explanatory verse and yet you're the one who lacked the simple comprehension.

Here is the INTRO of the verse: "3:81. (Recall the time) when Allâh bound (the people) to a covenant through the Prophets (saying),..."

i. (Recall the time): This shows that it's a past event being narrated.
ii. when Allah bound (the people): who are these people?

The people of Muhammed? No!
The people of the Prophets? Yes!

Are the Prophets Arabian? No!

iii. Bound (the people) to a COVENANT through the Prophets: If the Prophets and the people aren't Arabian, why Muhammed an Arabian sent by Allah?

Or you can simply tell us the people who Allah is referring to, than that will clear the air.
the people before the prophet Muhammad's (SAW) people
So where is the eror he claimed Allah made
Re: The Fatal Error Of Allah by Deffi(m): 3:13pm On Oct 29, 2017
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Re: The Fatal Error Of Allah by Emusan(m): 4:04pm On Oct 29, 2017
UmarIbnShittu:
the people before the prophet Muhammad's (SAW) people
So where is the eror he claimed Allah made

You agree it's THE PEOPLE before Muhammed, now

"The PEOPLE " are they Arabian or Non-arabian?
Re: The Fatal Error Of Allah by UmarIbnShittu(m): 5:25pm On Oct 29, 2017
Emusan:


You agree it's THE PEOPLE before Muhammed, now

"The PEOPLE " are they Arabian or Non-arabian?
I don't no their tribe how do you expect me to know or did I tell you I'm all-knower?
Re: The Fatal Error Of Allah by Emusan(m): 6:34pm On Oct 29, 2017
UmarIbnShittu:
I don't no their tribe how do you expect me to know or did I tell you I'm all-knower?

OK if you don't know let me ask in this way for a better understanding.

Was there any prophet in Arab before Muhammed that Allah was addressing among the Prophets?

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Re: The Fatal Error Of Allah by UmarIbnShittu(m): 6:45pm On Oct 29, 2017
Emusan:


OK if you don't know let me ask in this way for a better understanding.

Was there any prophet in Arab before Muhammed that Allah was addressing among the Prophets?
Yes they were arab prophets
Re: The Fatal Error Of Allah by enilove(m): 6:59pm On Oct 29, 2017
UmarIbnShittu:
Yes they were arab prophets
Which of them were arab prophets?

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Re: The Fatal Error Of Allah by UmarIbnShittu(m): 7:19pm On Oct 29, 2017
enilove:


Which of them were arab prophets?
Ismaeel(AS)-Ishmeal was originated from Saudi arabia
Lûth(AS)-Lot was originated from Iraq

Shoaib(AS)-jethro was originated from syria

Sir
Re: The Fatal Error Of Allah by plainbibletruth: 7:27pm On Oct 29, 2017
UmarIbnShittu:
Ismaeel(AS)-Ishmeal was originated from Saudi arabia
Lûth(AS)-Lot was originated from Iraq
Sir

Were these the Prophets Allah spoke to who are "to help" the messenger who is to come - Mohamed?
Re: The Fatal Error Of Allah by saintmark88(m): 7:32pm On Oct 29, 2017
Amneron, Analice, oladegbu pls leave Muslims alone...what kind of people r u....u criticize catholics, cricize jw, cele, latter day saint, now Muslims.......what is ur problem...can't u live without criticizing other peoples belief, if u don't stop this den that thing ur looking for u will find it o...be careful
Re: The Fatal Error Of Allah by UmarIbnShittu(m): 7:32pm On Oct 29, 2017
plainbibletruth:


Were these the Prophets Allah spoke to who are "to help" the messenger who is to come - Mohamed?
they've helped "past tense" you might need to review the verse again
And not only the whole of d 24 prophets B4 him


Wall'Allahu a'alam
tym for salat

BRB
Re: The Fatal Error Of Allah by Emusan(m): 7:38pm On Oct 29, 2017
UmarIbnShittu:
Yes they were arab prophets
So you mean Muhammed wasn't the first prophet of Allah in Arab?
You keep complicating issue for Qur'an and Allah
Re: The Fatal Error Of Allah by iamgenius(m): 7:45pm On Oct 29, 2017
UmarIbnShittu:
they've helped "past tense" you might need to review the verse again
And not only the whole of d 24 prophets B4 him


Wall'Allahu a'alam
tym for salat

BRB

Do you have to waste your time with these people? They chose not to say anything about my explanation of the verse. They are only twisting the verse to suit the errors they claim. They'll keep pushing you...
Re: The Fatal Error Of Allah by Emusan(m): 7:49pm On Oct 29, 2017
UmarIbnShittu:
they've helped "past tense" you might need to review the verse again
And not only the whole of d 24 prophets B4 him


Wall'Allahu a'alam
tym for salat

BRB

Just imaging, so it's now "helped" which is past tense whereas see the very version you quoted: "...and then there comes to you a Messenger fulfilling that which is with you, you shall surely believe in him and have to help him.’..."

To you the messenger who will fulfill what is with the people here is obviously Muhammed and the verse goes on to say this same messenger "...SHALL surely..."
Re: The Fatal Error Of Allah by Empiree: 7:52pm On Oct 29, 2017
UmarIbnShittu:
Cc aar rasenius abause
You are dealing with dull people especially Op
Re: The Fatal Error Of Allah by Emusan(m): 7:55pm On Oct 29, 2017
UmarIbnShittu:
Ismaeel(AS)-Ishmeal was originated from Saudi arabia
Lûth(AS)-Lot was originated from Iraq

Shoaib(AS)-jethro was originated from syria

Sir

Why Ishmeal and not Abraham himself?

Then why did Qur'an says Muhammad was the first prophet in Arab?
Re: The Fatal Error Of Allah by Empiree: 7:56pm On Oct 29, 2017
malvisguy212:

Surah 3:81:
Allah took a COVENANT with the PROPHETS, saying: “Now that you have been given the Book and Wisdom; there will come to you a Messenger (MUHAMMAD) who will confirm that which is with you, you will have to believe in him and HELP HIM IN HIS MISSION. ” Then He said “Do you affirm this covenant and agree to take this heavy responsibility?” The PROPHETS replied, “Yes, we do affirm.” Allah said, “Very well, bear witness to this and I too bear witness with you.”

Now,A careful examination of Surah 3:81 reveals the following:
(1) Allah made a Covenant with the Prophets who lived before the time of Muhammad.
(2) These Prophets were called upon by Allah to pledge their support to a forthcoming Messenger who was to appear to them later.
(3) This coming Messenger will confirm the previous
Book of Allah which is in the possession of these
Prophets .
(4) Since this Messenger will come during the lifetime of these Prophets , they will be on hand to personally witness his confirmation of their sacred Book .

YOu already have problems with you funny explanation. Thats where your #1 started
Re: The Fatal Error Of Allah by plainbibletruth: 7:57pm On Oct 29, 2017
UmarIbnShittu:
they've helped "past tense" you might need to review the verse again
And not only the whole of d 24 prophets B4 him
Wall'Allahu a'alam
tym for salat
BRB

Here we go again!

Let me put here part of the version YOU quoted:
"... and then there comes to you a Messenger fulfilling that which is with you, you shall surely believe in him and have to help him ..."

Please, where is "past tense" here?

Allah is telling these prophets that a Messenger will come to them and that they are to "believe" him and "help" him.

They couldn't have believed in him and helped him in the "past", could they?
Re: The Fatal Error Of Allah by UmarIbnShittu(m): 8:06pm On Oct 29, 2017
Emusan:


Just imaging, so it's now "helped" which is past tense whereas see the very version you quoted: "...and then there comes to you a Messenger fulfilling that which is with you, you shall surely believe in him and have to help him.’..."

To you the messenger who will fulfill what is with the people here is obviously Muhammed and the verse goes on to say this same messenger "...SHALL surely..."
the " messenger" is Rasul (SAW) nd the "you" are his (ummah)followers and not the (anbiya)prophet


And this is where I end this dis discussion because like my brother in Islam just said you will keep on twisting the verse till I get provoked then I get agressive

Discussion closed
Re: The Fatal Error Of Allah by UmarIbnShittu(m): 8:12pm On Oct 29, 2017
Emusan:


Why Ishmeal and not Abraham himself?

Then why did Qur'an says Muhammad was the first prophet in Arab?
Because Abraham migrated to saudia where his wife later gave birth to Ismaeel ( in saudia)


Discussion closed
Re: The Fatal Error Of Allah by UmarIbnShittu(m): 8:17pm On Oct 29, 2017
plainbibletruth:


Here we go again!

Let me put here part of the version YOU quoted:
"... and then there comes to you a Messenger fulfilling that which is with you, you shall surely believe in him and have to help him ..."

Please, where is "past tense" here?

Allah is telling these prophets that a Messenger will come to them and that they are to "believe" him and "help" him.

They couldn't have believed in him and helped him in the "past", could they?

discussion closed
Re: The Fatal Error Of Allah by UmarIbnShittu(m): 8:19pm On Oct 29, 2017
Empiree:
You are dealing with dull people especially Op
how do you mean sir
Re: The Fatal Error Of Allah by enilove(m): 8:21pm On Oct 29, 2017
UmarIbnShittu:
Ismaeel(AS)-Ishmeal was originated from Saudi arabia
Lûth(AS)-Lot was originated from Iraq

Shoaib(AS)-jethro was originated from syria

Sir


Ishmael was not a prophet neither was Lot . Jethro was a priest and not a prophet:

Exodus 3:1 KJV
Now Moses kept the flock of Jethro his father in law, the priest of Midian: and he led the flock to the backside of the desert, and came to the mountain of God, ......

A prophet is someone who delivers messages from God to the people.That is, he is someone who utters divinely inspired revelations.

Biblically , Lot was not a prophet because there is no record of any message he received from God for the people arround him as at then.

Ishmael was not a prophet and no record of any divine message he received as well. The fact that he was born by Abraham does not make him a prophet. Abraham had many other children aside from Ishmael and Isaac , can we refer to them as prophets too?

Is there any where in the quran where the messages of God from Ishmael was mentioned?

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