Akin1212:


Exactly, Energy can be useless and destructive. Usable Energy is never useless but can be destructive and yes it is destructive and also constructive. Bermuda triangle, Volcanic eruptions, earthquakes, tornadoes, hurricanes, tsunamis etc etc etc are the destructive signs of energy.

There is no creator anywhere bro. I would say energy is the creator as usual, but I don't want to see it as one because there is none.


An intelligent Creator would not create the bolded above if truly he/it is intelligent, otherwise, it is not intelligent, Hence energy surfaces again.

OkaiCorne:


Like I said before, our lower level as Humans is not the best standard to determine what is perfect or imperfect in the presence of an Eternal Creator.

There's a limit to what we can know before concluding on certain issues.

That notwithstanding, despite our different views on what the Creator is... I have nothing against you...

Religious people... freethinkers, atheists and every other human needs to put their head and hands together to make this world a better place.

I don't see the point in hoping for Heaven or being obsessed with a hell for "sinners" when the world we live in is in shambles.

Akin1212:


But you are wrong, we are directly affected. Tornadoes kill humans and not your creator. So to us no matter how perfect it seems to your creator, it is imperfect.

There's no limit to what we can know, I think we addressed this issue sometimes ago. That is why we keep knowing more every day, we don't have limits. We are not going to stop knowing. Because we don't know some things today does not know we can't know it tomorrow.
If you claim the rest of us are limited in know these claimed perfect imperfections, how did you now know? Your dependence on your creator has singled you out? Please spare me, abeg.

Let's even forget about energy for once I want to tap into your thoughts, tell me about this your eternal creator...

- Does it have a form?
- You said it had no gender, how did you know that?
- Can you see him physically?
- Well, you may not be able to see him physically because you have dismissed our 5 sense can comprehend him, how do you find excluding the 5 senses?

More to follow when these are answered.

OkaiCorne:


Bro...it appears you're asking me these questions with the mentality that I need to see a Sky Daddy in the clouds

If you don't see me as being cunning, you can see my answers from the viewpoint of Energy;

The Eternal Creator has no gender...just as the Human Soul has no gender. Male and Female organs are necessary configurations to serve as open doors for other souls to gain access to this realm of existence.

Can I see Him Physically? Does It have a form? - (Another entry point for Intuition vs Logic)

Your Last question is another case for Intuition vs Logic.

Your viewpoint of the Creator which is Energy does not have a gender.
My viewpoint of the Creator which is Intellect+Consciousness+Energy does not have a gender.

The way the single celled organism to how the Earth is structured to how the Universe is structured (the part we have explored so far) tells me that only random energy alone cannot be responsible...there has to be some degree of intellect and consciousness involved in the process as well.

I hope we are getting somewhere on this..

Akin1212:


The only place we can get to is you telling me about your eternal creator which you're trying to dodge once again.

I said let's quit talking about energy, forget the comparison between energy and eternal creator. Let's focus on eternal creator alone.

Whether you believe in a sky daddy is not the bone of contention, the fact is that you believe in a self aware creator who knows himself as the creator, right? So in light of this your belief, let's start from the top again.

- This your eternal creator, do you take it as God?
- Would you say you believe he exists or you know he exists? Ignore logic vs intuition, just explain your answer.
- Does this eternal creator have where it abides?
- Is this your eternal creator seeking worship or any form of dependence?
- will your eternal creator judge people someday?
- Can you see him physically and does he have form? Ignore logic vs intuition once more. Just answer the question.

More to still follow

Your answers will actually prove if you believe in a sky daddy or otherwise. Please don't dodge the 6 questions.

OkaiCorne:


I ain't dodging bros

1) I take this Eternal Creator as "God" if you understand it on that level...but I am not comfortable addressing the Eternal Creator as God.
2) I know He exists ... the way the explored Universe is structured attests to this.
3) The Eternal Creator is Omniscient (Everywhere at once). We are fragments (seeds) of the Eternal Creator
4) Whether I worship or do not worship the Eternal Creator...it changes nothing. The Eternal Creator does not need my worship to survive. Before I existed on Earth he has been there...when I die He will still be there. It is to my own advantage that I depend on Him and not the other way around
5) The Eternal Creator has given myself and everyone else an assignment to fulfill in this realm of existence. It is only natural for myself to be evaluated on how well I have fared on my assignment. The way you asked this question reeks of religious stench
6) I cannot see Him with the naked eye (perhaps the Energy aspect of Him can be seen)...hence I cannot tell His form.


THIS IS MY HONEST ANSWER AND I HOPE I DON'T GET INSULTED FOR THIS.
Cheers.

Akin1212:


I hope to point it out to you that if you have a spiritual way of life that has a figure that you depend on, then you have a religion.
And let me quickly point another thing out, the universe is not unstable, it is not structured. You have probably mistaken the disorderliness for order. There are great disorders I have mentioned over time. You are using something called the anthropic coincidences.

Back to your answers.

1)The definition of God is a supreme being. If you only see the eternal creator as a supreme being for my own understanding, how else do you REALLY see the eternal creator?
2)How is the world structured? Do you mind explaining?
3)Everywhere every time? If we are fragments of him, does it mean we look like him? And please which race exactly are fragments of this creator because we have distinct types of humans?
4)So you mean this eternal creator does not care if it is being worshipped or not, and there is no punishment for not worshipping him? Is it a choice?
5) This is very confusing, do you mean the eternal creator will judge people? Please answer yes or no.
6) You cannot see him with your naked_ eyes means you don't know which is contrary to your answer in (2) above. You just concluded probably because you encountered wonders you cannot explain. If the energy part can be seen, then what makes the rest invisible?

We've gone past the insulting stage.

OkaiCorne:


Let me answer your questions in no particular order (this feels like an Oprah Winfrey Session )

6) Intelligence and Consciousness are intangible items that cannot be seen with the ordinary eyes. The evidence of Intelligence and consciousness is the output (result) of the efforts (energy) you put into a cause.

4) I will not decide for the Eternal Creator if there is a punishment for worshiping or not worshiping Him. You are better of tapping into (depending on) something greater than your limited capacity as a Human Being to achieve extra-ordinary results.

5) I prefer to use the word EVALUATE rather than Judge...but in the context of the question asked. YES.

3) The Holy books states that we are Created in His Image. I can only conclude on this when I reach a more advanced stage on my journey. I want to see things for myself to also confirm or critique what is in the "Holy Books". I DO NOT HAVE ALL THE ANSWERS RIGHT NOW. I only know in parts

1) I see (my view and opinion...not necessarily the general consensus) the Eternal Creator as more of a Father...than a "God" or Supreme Being. That notwithstanding there is no limit to what the Eternal Creator can do.

2) The Eternal Creator is not a racist...we all have our source in Him.

In conclusion...going by your opening statement...religion and lifestyle are two different things...you can counter this by helping me to identify the religion Buhdda, Moses and Jesus practised in their lifetime... It was the followers who made a religion of out their lifestyles which is somewhat different from what the founders had in mind... it's more of Lifestyle and Mentality...and not a dead religion.


I HOPE YOU UNDERSTAND WHERE I'M COMING FROM...SINCE YOU WERE A CHRISTIAN AS WELL

Akin1212:


I like that you scattered the answer, you saw that I structured the questions very well to trap you and used trickery to scatter my plans. Weldone.


1) I agree that intelligence and consciousness cannot be seen with the eyes because they are not attributes and not physical matter. But we are not talking about seeing intelligence or consciousness, we are talking about seeing the being that possesses these attributes. As far as we are concerned, intelligence and consciousness are measurable quantities that can be measured, questioned and weighed. So, I'll ask the questions again, If the energy part can be seen, then what makes the rest invisible?

2) I am actually not asking you to decide for the eternal creator, I am asking you if the eternal creator will punish those who have failed to worship 'it.' You would know this detail if at all your claims of tapping into the eternal creator are true. You said you have synchronized with it and depend on it. Except and if you don't know him up to the extent of knowing what he intends to do, his plans for humanity and the ending days of our race. Even we who don't depend on any creator we also achieve extraordinary feats.

3) If this eternal creator will judge people, I must say that's a discouraging attribute of the religious God. And since you have decided to exempt this creator from any religion. I guess you have not done a good job. But what exactly is this creator going to judge people for?

4) Which of the holy books? If I am correct, you have detached yourself from religions, so you cannot make reference to religious books. It would mean you are giving points from what you don't subscribe to. If you don't subscribe to a God, that we were made in the image of God is out of place as a point when you're talking about the eternal creator.

However, if you do not know fully about this your eternal creator, you can as well be wrong about his existence. Since you know in parts, you could also be wrong or right. There's no assurance that you are right, neither is there that you're wrong. You are just acting on a set of beliefs.

5) What you see the eternal creator as for the sake of this discussion does not affect the picture you are painting. If notwithstanding the eternal creator does not have limits, then he is a supreme being according to you. And that also fits the description of a God.

6)Nothing to say.

Religion is born out of lifestyle(culture). That's why we have tons of it. There are millions of cultures around the world and each has its own religion. You cannot separate religion and lifestyle. They are both a way of doing certain things. Jesus actually was a Judaist, a religion of which Moses was a proponent. Buddha was also the proponent of Buddism. When you create an ideology, you create a religion. If these people didn't gather people around and create an ideology, nobody will form a religion in their names. So I don't agree that Moses, Jesus, or Buddha didn't have a religion, it would just be wise to say they laid the foundations for the religious builders. They are part of it.They all taught something different from the existing ideologies which gave rooms for other ideologies.

Akin1212:


I like that you scattered the answer, you saw that I structured the questions very well to trap you and used trickery to scatter my plans. Weldone.


1) I agree that intelligence and consciousness cannot be seen with the eyes because they are not attributes and not physical matter. But we are not talking about seeing intelligence or consciousness, we are talking about seeing the being that possesses these attributes. As far as we are concerned, intelligence and consciousness are measurable quantities that can be measured, questioned and weighed. So, I'll ask the questions again, If the energy part can be seen, then what makes the rest invisible?

2) I am actually not asking you to decide for the eternal creator, I am asking you if the eternal creator will punish those who have failed to worship 'it.' You would know this detail if at all your claims of tapping into the eternal creator are true. You said you have synchronized with it and depend on it. Except and if you don't know him up to the extent of knowing what he intends to do, his plans for humanity and the ending days of our race. Even we who don't depend on any creator we also achieve extraordinary feats.

3) If this eternal creator will judge people, I must say that's a discouraging attribute of the religious God. And since you have decided to exempt this creator from any religion. I guess you have not done a good job. But what exactly is this creator going to judge people for?

4) Which of the holy books? If I am correct, you have detached yourself from religions, so you cannot make reference to religious books. It would mean you are giving points from what you don't subscribe to. If you don't subscribe to a God, that we were made in the image of God is out of place as a point when you're talking about the eternal creator.

However, if you do not know fully about this your eternal creator, you can as well be wrong about his existence. Since you know in parts, you could also be wrong or right. There's no assurance that you are right, neither is there that you're wrong. You are just acting on a set of beliefs.

5) What you see the eternal creator as for the sake of this discussion does not affect the picture you are painting. If notwithstanding the eternal creator does not have limits, then he is a supreme being according to you. And that also fits the description of a God.

6)Nothing to say.

Religion is born out of lifestyle(culture). That's why we have tons of it. There are millions of cultures around the world and each has its own religion. You cannot separate religion and lifestyle. They are both a way of doing certain things. Jesus actually was a Judaist, a religion of which Moses was a proponent. Buddha was also the proponent of Buddism. When you create an ideology, you create a religion. If these people didn't gather people around and create an ideology, nobody will form a religion in their names. So I don't agree that Moses, Jesus, or Buddha didn't have a religion, it would just be wise to say they laid the foundations for the religious builders. They are part of it.They all taught something different from the existing ideologies which gave rooms for other ideologies.

OkaiCorne:


Good morning bro,

I am being honest with you. I answered you in that manner because that was the order I got my answers to the questions you asked.

Now that I have answered your questions, can I ask you my questions since we are rubbing minds here?

The Eternal Creator owes no allegiance to any bloody religion, so why do I have to belong to a religion to commune with the Eternal Creator

I wonder if Adam had a religion before communicating with the Eternal Creator (assuming the Biblical story of creation is true)

Based on point number 4 you raised, I have moved on from religion to seek the Truth...but that does not mean religion e.g. Christianity with their Bible as their Holy Book is a TOTAL LIE

I seek out the elements of TRUTH in the Holy books and run with them e.g. Proverbs, Ecclesiastes, Teachings of Jesus e.t.c
Same goes for elements of TRUTH in other manuscripts like the Unknown years of Jesus.

Based on point number 2 you raised...that I am communing (synchronizing) with the Eternal Creator does not mean I would know everything at once in a single day. With time, I get to learn new things. Rome was not built in a day bros.

I have noticed that the average person focuses more on controversies...rather than the TRUTH.

I am not forcing my beliefs on anyone, but I'd rather be judged on the Fruits I bear rather than the words I speak.

To counter your last point...Science is an ideology...but not a religion.

Cheers.

Akin1212:


What are you countering in my last post? I never said science was a religion. did I?

Akin1212:

The eternal creator you're talking about is definitely not God. We all know that the God created in religions owe allegiance to ways of worship(religion). So I don't think it will be wise to seek truths from the holy books as you have reiterated.

Akin1212:

Adam didn't need to have a religion, the story was created by unintelligent people. They didn't actually say much about Adam and Eve. They were just interested in blaming the fictional Satan to make another fictional character look good. Or you think all there was about the fictional Adam was just what was written? A man who was said to live for 500+ years? Excuse me.

Akin1212:

How can you commune with something you cannot even ascertain its form? For all I know, you might be communing with Satan(if it exists) and be thinking you are communing with the eternal creator. Something you don't fully know(according to your own claims) can come in another form to deceive you. So I take it you don't know for sure who it is you're communing with.

Akin1212:

You can ask your questions, I'll be willing to answer them.

OkaiCorne:


Bro...kindly check the flow of our discussion. You earlier said that ideology gives birth to religion...and I said Science is an ideology but not a religion. It was your conclusion on ideology automatically birthing religion I countered...not that I accused you of stating that Science is a religion.

OkaiCorne:

The Eternal Creator has allegiance to no religion..."God" was created by religion. And this partly explains why I said I have moved on from religion. As for thinking whether it is unwise to seek truths from the holy books...I would advise that you should not throw out the baby alongside with the bathing water. There are elements of Truth in the religious books whether you believe them or not...will still work as undeniable principles e.g it's like telling me what is written in Proverbs or Ecclesiastes are outright lies.

OkaiCorne:

I was not the mai-guard at the Garden of Eden...so I have no comments on this one

OkaiCorne:

I am not too bothered with this seed of doubt...as long the fruits I bear makes the world a better place. Always bear in mind that Satan (the term religious people can relate with) is always out for destruction as his final goal... if whatever fruit I bear is the direct opposite of destruction and death...then that means I am definitely not dealing with Satan. For example...when I die, would I be remembered as Mandela or a Hitler?

OkaiCorne:
@ Akin1212

1) If Energy alone is responsible for the creation of the Universe (Advanced Level) and everything in it, kindly give an example at the basic level on how Energy alone with zero input of intelligence and consciousness can create intelligent and conscious life forms?
I remember Graycoder using me as an example of energy alone being responsible for my creation..and I outrightly reject that point of view because my Parents are conscious and intelligent creatures who had to exert energy for my conception (Intelligence+Consciousness+ Energy created me and every other human being I know of...even robots are not exempted)

OkaiCorne:

2) If there is no example to back up your theory at the basic level...then why should the theory be valid at an advanced level?
You can counter this question with a basic example of how energy is solely responsible for the creation of conscious & intelligent life forms and by extension the Universe.

OkaiCorne:

3) If Energy alone is not responsible for the Universe...what else can complement energy to make this possible?
No need to answer this question if you still hold on to the view that Energy is solely responsible for the Universe.

PLEASE TRY NOT TO BE ANGRY AT ME FOR THESE QUESTIONS. THANKS BOSS.

Akin1212:


1) Why are you creating such a fuss? What's life on a basic level? Life is advanced just like the Universe. There is nothing like life on a basic level. The same spontaneity responsible for the creation(expansion) of the universe is the same responsible for life.

You are getting everything wrong, seriously. Now let me break it down for you.

I want to believe Graycoder honestly used you as an example to align with the notion you may have that your eternal creator created everybody, to explain that you are a function of energy as a creator just like everybody. We all know we are a reproductive product of sperm and ovum from your parents. It's only rational because if you believe eternal creator also created you, then why did you parents also conceive you?
Your explanation would be God created you. Which we all know your parents birthed you.
Graycoder's was Energy created you. Which we all know your parents birthed you.

But where the energy became valid in the argument is this. The unconscious energy and unintelligent energy made you look normal and okay, randomly it could have made you blind from birth, lame from birth and other deformities which do happen. But it's not the energy's fault because it is unintelligent and unconscious.

Akin1212:

- And this is where eternal creator or God became invalid in the argument. If an intelligent creator or a conscious God created you and every human being you know, then those who are misformed are probably not humans, what do you call them?

- An intelligent creator will not create a baby with a head as big as a fist, would he? An intelligent creator would not create a lunatic, would he? An intelligent creator would not create a baby that cannot walk and have a very limited chance of survival among fellow humans who walk, would he?

- And if he is in the least conscious at all, he would discover the fetus forming in the womb and attempt to repair it before being born, but he doesn't, does he? You said he cannot do everything, but I guess his mighty powers does not extend to doing things like these, does it?

Energy wins all the time, and I think you need to start outrightly reject accepting that simple fact.




2) I have expressed my answer to you up there, and what you're asking here does not in any form relate to number one question. What is the creation of life at the basic level? There is nothing like that bro.

Energy works both at the basic level and advanced level, I think we need to differentiate what the advance level is and what the basic level is. What do you understand or mean by Advanced level and Basic level? Can you give an example maybe I can understand your question better?




3) Energy alone is solely responsible, universal energy. But when energy, which has always existed, formed the universe, it came along with dark energy and dark matter. Dark energy has been responsible for the expansion and dark responsible for the slowing down of the expansion. These combined effects created an acceleration for the expansion of the universe. And that doesn't really change the fact that Energy is solely responsible because it is the cause, it is the responsible agent for everything. Nothing else.

OkaiCorne:


It's nice of you to bring an advanced level Creator (Eternal Creator) into a basic level argument. My Parents are conscious and intelligent beings...hence energy alone is not sufficient to explain you or my existence as a conscious and intelligent life form.

OkaiCorne:

I have no qualms on the importance of energy in the creation of the Universe...but concluding that energy alone is responsible is an incomplete assertion.

Let's use yourself as an example...if you have energy without consciousness or intelligence, you will not be able to create anything that has a pattern or structure...on the flip-side... without energy, your consciousness and intelligence is irrelevant. Consciousness, Intelligence (don't mistake this for perfection) and Energy are totally dependent on each other in order to create something meaningful.

You can always extrapolate this view point from a basic level to an advanced level...and it would still hold water.

Energy is essential...but can do nothing meaningful on its own without consciousness and intelligence involved.

Akin1212:


Are you reaching this conclusion based on your own discretion and understanding? Or based on my explanations?

I have explained to you that energy which is unconscious and as a result of that also unintelligent can form intelligent, unintelligent and also conscious and unconscious things. Someone who understands this process will basically know that energy is sufficient.

Energy is sufficient, I guess you saw it, hence the hasty conclusion. I did not bring any advance level creator to the basic level of any argument. You will not conclude on my behalf, you cannot.

If you see energy as basic, I cannot help you to see otherwise. You are forcing your eternal creator into the argument, we are not going to get anywhere with that.

Both on the advanced and basic level as you understand it, Energy is solely responsible. No matter what you may think bro.




You know one thing you're doing? You're abusing knowledge. You simply don't know anything about energy.

You don't need to put energy into use before it does work. Energy is spontaneous and nothing can change that.

You need to understand the spontaneity fact before you know if extrapolation is possible, which in fact is. But the acceptance very tough for you.

Why not try to extrapolate the imperfection of your external creator first. If a perfect external creator is making imperfect things, are you not supposed throw it away?

It's very simple, good cannot bore evil, perfection can never bear imperfection.

A perfect eternal creator (intelligent + conscious) cannot bear (unintelligent and unconscious) beings, extrapolate that.

And also extrapolate this, energy(unconscious) can randomly form conscious and unconscious beings

Except if your eternal creator also act randomly, but I doubt that because you have reiterated many times that he structured everything.

Akin1212:


Are you reaching this conclusion based on your own discretion and understanding? Or based on my explanations?

I have explained to you that energy which is unconscious and as a result of that also unintelligent can form intelligent, unintelligent and also conscious and unconscious things. Someone who understands this process will basically know that energy is sufficient.

Energy is sufficient, I guess you saw it, hence the hasty conclusion. I did not bring any advance level creator to the basic level of any argument. You will not conclude on my behalf, you cannot.

If you see energy as basic, I cannot help you to see otherwise. You are forcing your eternal creator into the argument, we are not going to get anywhere with that.

Both on the advanced and basic level as you understand it, Energy is solely responsible. No matter what you may think bro.




You know one thing you're doing? You're abusing knowledge. You simply don't know anything about energy.

You don't need to put energy into use before it does work. Energy is spontaneous and nothing can change that.

You need to understand the spontaneity fact before you know if extrapolation is possible, which in fact is. But the acceptance very tough for you.

Why not try to extrapolate the imperfection of your external creator first. If a perfect external creator is making imperfect things, are you not supposed throw it away?

It's very simple, good cannot bore evil, perfection can never bear imperfection.

A perfect eternal creator (intelligent + conscious) cannot bear (unintelligent and unconscious) beings, extrapolate that.

And also extrapolate this, energy(unconscious) can randomly form conscious and unconscious beings

Except if your eternal creator also act randomly, but I doubt that because you have reiterated many times that he structured everything.

Akin1212:


And of course, there are outright lies in Proverbs, "the fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom." How does fear give anybody wisdom? Funny though.

OkaiCorne:


I can give countless examples of how energy alone is insufficient to create things with order and pattern...or something conscious and unintelligent.

Let us take an average human being for example. When a Human being is asleep (not conscious)...is there anything he can create with the energy and Intellect in Him? CAPITAL ZERO.

OkaiCorne:

You also tried to counter my point of view by going into details of sexual reproduction that we all know...but you have ignored the fact that Parents are conscious and intelligent beings exerting energy in sexual intercourse which makes fertilization of the Ovum possible.

Don't focus on energy alone...Energy can not give you anything reasonable if Intellect and Consciousness is not involved...

OkaiCorne:

And please don't make the mistake of swapping intellect for perfection... because Perfection is relative. If I give an analogy to explain this...you will say it is unrelated.

Akin1212:

If you can give me empirical examples, please go ahead and do so. But don't bring unscientific analogies and expect them to work. Like your artist and painting story. Science and art don't work the same way.

When a human being is asleep, is that the consciousness we are referring to here or is energy ever asleep? This is the problem I have been having with you from day one bro. You keep bringing unrelated examples. I explained the "unconsciousness of energy" to you quite well and you're relating it to sleep. That's not funny at all.

The unconsciousness of energy is that energy does not know itself as energy. It does not even know you, me nor the universe. It's not living, neither is it dead. It doesn't have a mind, a brain, it's just a physical property. How can such a property be conscious? We don't need to drag this further because you are never going to understand what energy is. Energy is not sleeping neither is it in a coma. Energy does not have a mind, how can it be conscious or even sleep at all?


You know sometimes I wonder why it has become so hard for you to see what is laying bare before you bro. Let me clear you on something.

I am not ignoring the facts that parents are conscious or anything, I am trying to show you the fact that energy is responsible and it acts randomly. I actually read and cogitate on your points before I respond. But I am sure you don't even read at all talk more of thinking about my points before you respond.

Truth is if our parents are conscious and intelligent beings, and they are coming together to reproduce their consciousness and intelligence, then they should always get it right all the time. They should always bring forth intelligent and conscious beings as offsprings.
You don't need intelligence to reproduce. It happens at all levels of life. Cells also reproduce asexually, and all are powered by this same Energy.

Or do you want to argue that cells are intelligent? Think bro, think. As a matter of fact, this is a typical comparison of Advanced and Basic levels.
The same energy responsible for binary fission in cells(basic) is the same responsible for sexual reproduction in humans(Advanced). You have to understand these basic things because without them you cannot understand the concept of Energy.



What do you mean by I should not mistake intellect for perfection?

When something is intelligent and the other is not, the intelligent is more perfect than the unintelligent automatically.

It's not by magic or any mystical powers, and we both know that intelligence(two parents) cannot give birth to unintelligent(offspring). Where will it come from?
Two Asians cannot give birth to a black baby, nothing can cause it.

And of course, your analogies are always unrelated.

Akin1212:

If you can give me empirical examples, please go ahead and do so. But don't bring unscientific analogies and expect them to work. Like your artist and painting story. Science and art don't work the same way.

When a human being is asleep, is that the consciousness we are referring to here or is energy ever asleep? This is the problem I have been having with you from day one bro. You keep bringing unrelated examples. I explained the "unconsciousness of energy" to you quite well and you're relating it to sleep. That's not funny at all.

The unconsciousness of energy is that energy does not know itself as energy. It does not even know you, me nor the universe. It's not living, neither is it dead. It doesn't have a mind, a brain, it's just a physical property. How can such a property be conscious? We don't need to drag this further because you are never going to understand what energy is. Energy is not sleeping neither is it in a coma. Energy does not have a mind, how can it be conscious or even sleep at all?


You know sometimes I wonder why it has become so hard for you to see what is laying bare before you bro. Let me clear you on something.

I am not ignoring the facts that parents are conscious or anything, I am trying to show you the fact that energy is responsible and it acts randomly. I actually read and cogitate on your points before I respond. But I am sure you don't even read at all talk more of thinking about my points before you respond.

Truth is if our parents are conscious and intelligent beings, and they are coming together to reproduce their consciousness and intelligence, then they should always get it right all the time. They should always bring forth intelligent and conscious beings as offsprings.
You don't need intelligence to reproduce. It happens at all levels of life. Cells also reproduce asexually, and all are powered by this same Energy.

Or do you want to argue that cells are intelligent? Think bro, think. As a matter of fact, this is a typical comparison of Advanced and Basic levels.
The same energy responsible for binary fission in cells(basic) is the same responsible for sexual reproduction in humans(Advanced). You have to understand these basic things because without them you cannot understand the concept of Energy.



What do you mean by I should not mistake intellect for perfection?

When something is intelligent and the other is not, the intelligent is more perfect than the unintelligent automatically.

It's not by magic or any mystical powers, and we both know that intelligence(two parents) cannot give birth to unintelligent(offspring). Where will it come from?
Two Asians cannot give birth to a black baby, nothing can cause it.

And of course, your analogies are always unrelated.

OkaiCorne:


Why are you insulting me?

The part of your response I bolded, do I not also see you in that light? Two separate people came here to say the same thing about you...but am I not holding that against you especially now that we are through with the insulting stage (or so I thought).

If our discussion is no longer of importance to you...clearly tell me to leave your thread, after all you were the one that opened it, not me.

I thought we have gone beyond the stage of insults...

Akin1212:

If you can give me empirical examples, please go ahead and do so. But don't bring unscientific analogies and expect them to work. Like your artist and painting story. Science and art don't work the same way.

When a human being is asleep, is that the consciousness we are referring to here or is energy ever asleep? This is the problem I have been having with you from day one bro. You keep bringing unrelated examples. I explained the "unconsciousness of energy" to you quite well and you're relating it to sleep. That's not funny at all.

The unconsciousness of energy is that energy does not know itself as energy. It does not even know you, me nor the universe. It's not living, neither is it dead. It doesn't have a mind, a brain, it's just a physical property. How can such a property be conscious? We don't need to drag this further because you are never going to understand what energy is. Energy is not sleeping neither is it in a coma. Energy does not have a mind, how can it be conscious or even sleep at all?


You know sometimes I wonder why it has become so hard for you to see what is laying bare before you bro. Let me clear you on something.

I am not ignoring the facts that parents are conscious or anything, I am trying to show you the fact that energy is responsible and it acts randomly. I actually read and cogitate on your points before I respond. But I am sure you don't even read at all talk more of thinking about my points before you respond.

Truth is if our parents are conscious and intelligent beings, and they are coming together to reproduce their consciousness and intelligence, then they should always get it right all the time. They should always bring forth intelligent and conscious beings as offsprings.
You don't need intelligence to reproduce. It happens at all levels of life. Cells also reproduce asexually, and all are powered by this same Energy.

Or do you want to argue that cells are intelligent? Think bro, think. As a matter of fact, this is a typical comparison of Advanced and Basic levels.
The same energy responsible for binary fission in cells(basic) is the same responsible for sexual reproduction in humans(Advanced). You have to understand these basic things because without them you cannot understand the concept of Energy.



What do you mean by I should not mistake intellect for perfection?

When something is intelligent and the other is not, the intelligent is more perfect than the unintelligent automatically.

It's not by magic or any mystical powers, and we both know that intelligence(two parents) cannot give birth to unintelligent(offspring). Where will it come from?
Two Asians cannot give birth to a black baby, nothing can cause it.

And of course, your analogies are always unrelated.

OkaiCorne:


Going by what I bolded...

1) Are you saying energy is solely responsible for the creation of cells? or energy just empowers cells?


2) I have seen an instance of two white parents giving birth to a black baby. Or do you want to counter me on this one too?
I can bring the evidence here for you ... let me see how you will deny this one.

Akin1212:

If you can give me empirical examples, please go ahead and do so. But don't bring unscientific analogies and expect them to work. Like your artist and painting story. Science and art don't work the same way.

When a human being is asleep, is that the consciousness we are referring to here or is energy ever asleep? This is the problem I have been having with you from day one bro. You keep bringing unrelated examples. I explained the "unconsciousness of energy" to you quite well and you're relating it to sleep. That's not funny at all.

The unconsciousness of energy is that energy does not know itself as energy. It does not even know you, me nor the universe. It's not living, neither is it dead. It doesn't have a mind, a brain, it's just a physical property. How can such a property be conscious? We don't need to drag this further because you are never going to understand what energy is. Energy is not sleeping neither is it in a coma. Energy does not have a mind, how can it be conscious or even sleep at all?


You know sometimes I wonder why it has become so hard for you to see what is laying bare before you bro. Let me clear you on something.

I am not ignoring the facts that parents are conscious or anything, I am trying to show you the fact that energy is responsible and it acts randomly. I actually read and cogitate on your points before I respond. But I am sure you don't even read at all talk more of thinking about my points before you respond.

Truth is if our parents are conscious and intelligent beings, and they are coming together to reproduce their consciousness and intelligence, then they should always get it right all the time. They should always bring forth intelligent and conscious beings as offsprings.
You don't need intelligence to reproduce. It happens at all levels of life. Cells also reproduce asexually, and all are powered by this same Energy.

Or do you want to argue that cells are intelligent? Think bro, think. As a matter of fact, this is a typical comparison of Advanced and Basic levels.
The same energy responsible for binary fission in cells(basic) is the same responsible for sexual reproduction in humans(Advanced). You have to understand these basic things because without them you cannot understand the concept of Energy.



What do you mean by I should not mistake intellect for perfection?

When something is intelligent and the other is not, the intelligent is more perfect than the unintelligent automatically.

It's not by magic or any mystical powers, and we both know that intelligence(two parents) cannot give birth to unintelligent(offspring). Where will it come from?
Two Asians cannot give birth to a black baby, nothing can cause it.

And of course, your analogies are always unrelated.

OkaiCorne:


Unless you want to hide under the guise of typing "Asians" alone. Here are examples of two white parents (not half-caste o) giving birth to blacks and vice-versa;


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WpblcdxKc28



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RHnRRycl_D0

https://www.theguardian.com/theguardian/2003/mar/17/features11.g2

Akin1212:


To be sincere, sometimes you disappoint me bro. It's not an insult oo, but it is a disppointment and I hope you will see it in the post I am writing and the one to follow.

Your first video of whites giving birth to blacks is a hoax. People see things and make controversies out of them. Here is a reliable source where the husband said they adopted the embryos.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/acts-of-faith/wp/2016/04/21/my-wife-and-i-are-white-evangelicals-heres-why-we-chose-to-give-birth-to-black-triplets/?utm_term=.133a583edad9

As I have made the stroll from my wife’s hospital room to the NICU these past few days it has been hard to fathom the way that our family has been put together.

This past Sunday, my gorgeous wife – a white evangelical, like me — gave birth to our beautiful African-American triplet daughters whom we adopted as embryos. These sweet girls will hopefully soon be coming home to meet their 3-year-old African-American brother and 2-year-old biracial sister, both of whom we adopted as infants. The normalcy of this paragraph is something I have come to take for granted. Yet what seems to us to be the logical outcome of being pro-life is still something that to others often needs much explaining.


I am still researching the second video, I will post when I get the truth of it.

On the second one, the baby is not white(race) She is African. Did you watch the video at all?

The voice that explained the phenomenon after the video said, Nigerians have had white parents in history, and just like I said up there, if there are biracial history in their genetic pool then it is a possibility of mixed race and not a distinct race. Brother, two parents cannot be black race and their offspring will be a white race. It's not magic

And if it's not a biracial case, then it must be some kind of rare mutation, but then the baby is still a mutated black race baby.

All these, are still accounted for by Energy.

Akin1212:


Insulting you? You think I am mad or something? Where's the insult in my post?

Is it because I said you don't think at all? I didn't mean it the way you interpreted it if you read the post well. I mean you don't think about my points at all before you respond to them. Like read and think about what I am trying to say.
We have gone past insulting, and I cannot go back even though you're compelling me to do so. I am not insulting you oo, never.

OkaiCorne:


If you care to read the article from the guardian UK


The black woman - with white parents

Sandra Laing was born black, but to white parents. It would have been strange anywhere - but in apartheid South Africa it was disastrous. Rory
Monday 17 March 2003 01.20 GMT
Long before science learned to meddle with genes, there was Sandra Laing. She entered the world in 1955, a beautiful baby by all accounts, who could be expected to grow up in a close-knit family amid mines of gold and forests of pine. At the first sight of Sandra no one, not the nurse, her mother, father or neighbours would admit the obvious. Nature had played a trick. Abraham and Sannie Laing were white, their parents, grandparents and great grandparents were white, yet their daughter was dark. By a biological quirk, the pigment of an unknown black ancestor had lain dormant for generations and manifested in Sandra. Genetic throwbacks were not unheard of but if there was ever a wrong place and wrong time for this phenomenon, it was apartheid South Africa.
Her life is an extraordinary tale of a search for identity in a system built on race and prejudice, where home, school, job and sex life was demarcated by skin colour. Born to a conservative Afrikaner family, Sandra's fate was to not be what she was supposed to be.

It has a happy ending, of sorts, and one which is scheduled to hit bookshops and cinemas now that Hollywood has caught wind of the story. The first biography is due out this year and a British production company has signed a deal with Miramax to make the film. Sandra Laing is about to become famous. Sitting in the back garden of her new house in Leachville, a maze of recently built estates fringing farmland east of Johannesburg, the bulky woman with the crew cut does not much resemble the svelte, toffee-coloured youngster who was photographed hugging a tall, white woman three decades ago. The psychological toll of her traumas has been immense, say friends, and Sandra, 47, is taciturn, the eye contact fleeting, the voice low. "I'm much happier with black people. I am, I was, very shy with white people. Even today I still think white people don't like black people because of the way they treated me." A mild way of putting things from someone who was expelled from school, mocked, abused, persecuted and told she was inferior, something less than fully human, because she lacked the pinkness expected of an Afrikaner descended from Dutch settlers. The nose and lips could be European but the skin is evidence of a liaison between a settler and native, perhaps as early as the 18th century.


You can read the rest here;
https://www.theguardian.com/theguardian/2003/mar/17/features11.g2