Henry120:

LOL

patches689:

Ours is a contract:

- Price

- Quantity of reactors

- Time-frame for delivery

Does yours have any of those things?

No!

patches689:

The link augubgugugg has been posting is:

1. Not from a trusted site'
2. Inconclusive - what is the purpose of the shipment? Evaluation? Arms Expo?
3. Implies that the shipment has been halted

With regards to the data-link, the proof has been posted many times, as well as clear instances of its use.

You have yet to provide any-proof of a Nigerian military wide data-link

Look guy, if you want to keep slamming your head against a wall and denying the facts, that is fine with me. I can keep posting the sources over and over

Henry120:

It implies that an order had been made and signed, we weren't aware of, the orders have already began coming in.

It's basic common sense.

patches689:

First you dont actually have any Oplots

Second, the Mokopa can penetrate it

Third, each Rooivalk can carry 16 Mokopa

This means that just 1 attack with 10 Rooivalk can destroy 160 T-84 Oplots

Mokopa has a range of 10km - this means that we can destroy them from complete safety of your Rolands

You see, we have allready developed missiles to destroy tanks that you dont even have yet.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AqE1Ni8yB_0

SANDF - allways one step ahead

Henry120:
You've not provided anything to show that Data links are in use with your military. This is the fact.

You keep posting stuff that don't exist. You can continue, however, it doesn't mean continuous posting would make it exist.

ZeusAyo: do you know that the moment we add bitsy little manpads to the fray or add SAMs to the weapons suite of the oplot we have successfully denied your roivalk access because am sure the bald head called zuma wouldn't want to loose any of his already insufficient roivalks. **cheers**

patches689:

And what is the population density of our landmass? Are we evenly distributed across it?

We have a higher ratio of helicopters to troops than you do.

Same applies to IFV's, Armor, MRAP's and strike-aircraft

10 Rooivalk have been purchased as we only need 10 for escort duties with Air-mobile units, or as hunter-killer/recon for Mechanised and Armor units

It only took 2 to defeat the M23 and a number of other Rebel groups

24 is what we will need for the planned expansion of the SANDF to 170 000 men under the NDR

patches689:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Link-ZA

http://www.reutechcomms.com/linkza/

http://www.reutech.co.za/news-events/news-archive/50-sandf-s-link-za

http://www.defenceweb.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=6184:zz&catid=79:fact-files&Itemid=159

I am sorry, what were you saying?

Henry120:

Nigeria has 40 attack helicopters for a 150,000 strong army. Still defeats your argument on every angle.

You have 10 helicopters for a 70,000 army. Pathetic


No, you do not.

According to Andrewza, you need 24, however you could only afford 10 since were too broke to afford more and still don't have the money to purchase more.

You did not defeat M23 rebels. It was a joint UN effort with Indian MI-35 helicopters also carrying raids against M23.

patches689:

1. Nigeria does not have a single dedicated, true-blue, attack helicopter and has a MASSIVE shortage of transport helos
2. Yes, we have the same number of helos and less men
3. We will (future tense) need 24 when we expand to 170 000
- We cant buy more as an order of 70+ is needed to re-open production lines
- As proven many times South Africa has 3X the budget Nigeria does, so yes we have the money to do so.
- 10 + 1 for weapons intergration (total of 11) are what we need for the current SANDF
4. Hinds were found to be combat ineffective, Rooivalk called in, M23 defeated soon after. And they were Ukranian Hinds btw.

patches689:

You have no MANPADS that outrange the Mokopa

Insufficient?

Better than your Hinds in every single way, proven time after time

patches689:

Individual data-link capable units =/= Military wide integrated data-links

Dude, our platoon level radios are connected to LinkZA, THAT is integration

Now, show us your military wide data-link

Henry120:

Made a long post, without even addressing the issues raised. Another one of your irrelevant posts.

Henry120:

You want me to show you more, when you've shown us nothing? Are you for real?

patches689:

10km is not very close at all

patches689:

1. Nigeria does not have a single dedicated, true-blue, attack helicopter and has a MASSIVE shortage of transport helos

patches689: 2. Yes, we have the same number of helos and less men
3. We will (future tense) need 24 when we expand to 170 000

patches689: - We cant buy more as an order of 70+ is needed to re-open production lines

patches689: - As proven many times South Africa has 3X the budget Nigeria does, so yes we have the money to do so.

patches689: - 10 + 1 for weapons intergration (total of 11) are what we need for the current SANDF
4. Hinds were found to be combat ineffective, Rooivalk called in, M23 defeated soon after. And they were Ukranian Hinds btw.

agaugust:

NAF F-7 jets air to air PL-9C missiles range is 22km so ALL your Rooivalks are already dead before they even notice a Nigerian T-84 tank.....fool you forgot that not only you have an air force....fool

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agaugust:

NAF F-7 jets air to air PL-9C missiles range is 22km so ALL your Rooivalks are already dead before they even notice a Nigerian T-84 tank.....fool you forgot that not only you have an air force....fool

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Henry120:

You have no Data Links. Let us see photos. More links for links that don't exist. LOL

Try smarter. Show us SANDF operational links?

patches689:

Long post

Nothing that related specifically to the Makopa

10km range

milimeter band radar + datalink

Dead T80

Dont come talk to us about mythical SAM systems

Henry120:

They don't even have an Airforce. They got no money to afford common aviation fuel.

Would you call that an airforce?

agaugust:


Mokopa has 10km range, now show us the range of the FLIR targeting system on your Rooivalk helicopters.....it is less than 5km... Rooivalk will be withing death zone range of Nigerian army k.iller Roland anti-aircraft missiles and Shilka AAA has 7km maximum range.

Fool of Gauteng ; D ; D
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patches689:

First you dont actually have any Oplots

Second, the Mokopa can penetrate it

Third, each Rooivalk can carry 16 Mokopa

This means that just 1 attack with 10 Rooivalk can destroy 160 T-84 Oplots

Mokopa has a range of 10km - this means that we can destroy them from complete safety of your Rolands

You see, we have allready developed missiles to destroy tanks that you dont even have yet.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AqE1Ni8yB_0

SANDF - allways one step ahead

Henry120:
Nigeria operates more than 24 SA 330 Puma and Super Puma helicopters. Nigeria also operates 6 MI-17 transport helicopters. We have received an additional 10 MI-171SH transport helicopters from our old orders.

The MI-35 is a better, more sophisticated attack helicopter than the Rooivalk. It also has the added advantage of carrying 8 fully equipped troops.

The Airforce flies 5 C-130's, 6 G-222 and 2 known Boeing 737-500 planes.



You have a requirement of limited requirement of just 24 helicopters, yet you could only afford 10.


Oh no you don't, and cannot. You're too broke to even pay your limited number of personnel

"Life in the South African military is not seen as desirable by many potential recruits. Pay can be erratic, HIV rates are as high as 25% (making these troops unavailable for external deployment) and an estimated 35% of South Africa's military barracks have been classed as unfit for human occupation since 2007 (Mail & Guardian [Johannesburg], April 21, 2012). Without money to operate sophisticated equipment, skilled staff continue to flee at the end of their enlistment and there is little opportunity for new recruits to train in skills useful in the civilian world. Parliament's Joint Standing Committee on Defense has described abuse of women in the SANDF as "common," adding that many female recruits have been impregnated by their instructors (BUAnews, November 26, 2011). Racial abuse of black subordinates by white senior officers also remains a problem 19 years into the integration process. South African troops are unionized and have at times clashed with police during pay disputes."



No you don't, I've proven that multiple times, and I lack the will to educate you on this matter again.



Oh no you don't. You only have 10, neither could do you have the money to operate them. The U.N pays for the operation of the helicopter in DRC as your government did not have the money to either fly them to the DRC or operate them in the DRC till the U.N reimburses.


South Africa's once-effective air force has new aircraft but cannot afford the fuel and maintenance needed to keep them in the air. Despite this, one element of the air force that did see extensive time in the air was Squadron 21, charged with flying South African VIPs and government ministers. Former defense minister Lindiwe Sisilu booked 203 flights over three years in chartered luxury Gulfstream jets at an estimated cost of $4.5 million. Some 63 of the flights were empty, as they were intended solely to pick the minister up somewhere and take her to another destination in what one opposition critic described as "a staggering waste of money"



This is the Sad state of the south-african military. You can continue living in your fantasy land all you want, it doesn't however change the sad state of the SANDF.

agaugust:

Nigerian army has 'ShekauII' dead body, ask the people who say no, to show us his living body talking

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patches689:

Ours is a contract:

Price

Quantity of reactors

Time-frame

Does yours have any of those things?

No!

Henry120:

They don't even have an Airforce. They got no money to afford common aviation fuel.

Would you call that an airforce?

agaugust:

T-84 tank, not T-80....fool

Nigerian air defence is NOT mythical, we have displyed them in action on this forum. All South African air force aircraft will be sh.ot down in 1 minute.

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patches689:

First, I never said the seekers are a South African invention - so that is irrelevant
Second, mmW is not banned (they are talking about something completely different you illiterate buffoon)
Third, we do have it and it is fitted - burden of proof is on you to show that we do not

#ShowUs Proof Of mmW and IIR on Mokopa Missile

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