andrewza:

Our maindat was to train the ar of CAR and intergrastion of the rebel forcese.

We trained them but you can lead a donky to water but not make it drink. Though those we did train jumped ship and joinded the rebels

Intergrasion never started since there was never enough peace.



The seconded force that was sent in jan this year had the mandate for the protecstion of SANDF asserts and this they completed. And no point did rebels breach the base and they suferd heavy losses. One rebel captian siad he alone lost half of his 500 strong group.

Lowest estermits put rebel losses at 400 highest at 600 most say 500. Sa lost 13 dead and there is phiscaly no way to hide a death in the SANDF it could not even be done in the SADF could get it right. And 27 wounded of those less than 10 are still in hospital. Many where discharged with in a day.


There where misstakes in the CAR disater but they where not at a milltary level but a politcal level.

Now, colour is "just pigment" to you? I thought the reason why we are talking about this was your/other posters' attempt to discredit South Africa's products because of the "white connection". Anyway, every other country in Africa has what Nigeria has. Only difference being that Nigeria has the biggest population in Africa. The diversity we are talking about here is the sort of diversity that allows you to attract and retain global talent. Nigeria's "diversity" is not good enough to do that, primarily because of the insistence on blackness; and therefore, the exclusion of people from other parts of the world

all4naija: @ Sitwell


When has diversity become skin color thing? I am a little bit disturbed about how you view diversity, which from an explanatory definition vantage it is the cultural differences that exist in any society. And, Nigeria is by far one of the most culturally diverse nations of the world. They are seen in the dressing codes, languages,people, traditions,etc of Nigeria on daily basis. If we are to compare Nigeria to SA in this regard there are much to be demanding on the side of the later. Indeed, your very idea of saying Nigeria is not diverse enough is unacceptable and completely absurd.

sithwell:

You have not read all of my posts. To avoid having to repeat myself, I suggest that you go read my posts; understand my argument; and then come come and tell me where I am wrong.

You currently do not get even half my argument. And remember, everything that you say about diversity should ultimately lead to technological advancement - not just pretty and colourful clothes by people largely originating in the same corner of the continent - West Africa.

So, please have another look and then we can chat. You aren't quite ready at the moment, judging by your arguing a point that has already been addressed.

all4naija: But, I quoted the part I responded to. That is what I am all about in your argument. I wish we should understand ourselves better here. At least, it doesn't require reading through all your argument to comprehend the way you view Nigerian society as not diverse enough. I am going to say everything shouldn't otherwise leads to technological advancement but to creates a heterogeneous society that represents different background of those who wholeheartedly accept that nation as theirs. We are begging the question by intentionally aiming at technological advancement through diversity. Yes, technological advancement is arguably a recipe of a modern society, in the contemporary dispensation so called "The New Generation".

Mind you, that particular area I quoted is not actually about technology but about people. So, I am going to say the whole argument is likely not what I am talking about but to quickly express something about the generality of diversity!

sithwell: To emphasise my point and as a response to the "Nigeria is diverse argument", take this link, for example

----> http://www.economist.com/blogs/graphicdetail/2012/02/daily-chart-9

The link represents linguistic diversity based on how likely it is that people meeting will speak different indigenous languages in a country. South Africa lists 24 languages. Nigeria lists 500+ languages. Yet, South Africa is still ranked as being more linguistically diverse than Nigeria.

Why? Well because South Africa's different language speakers venture more outside of their culture and indigenous languages. They are more likely to meet and interact with people from other cultures.


Nigerians do not do that as much as South Africans do. Therefore, even though South Africa has less languages than Nigeria does, we score higher on linguistic diversity. We are far more cosmopolitan and integrated into each other's worlds.

For a country with only 24 languages to beat a country with 500+ languages shows you how fragmented the different people in the 500+ country are.

Now, this is only linguistic diversity. Add onto that other factors, and we would score even higher. Nigeria would score even lower.

Numbers don't lie. Read it. It's there in black and white.

sithwell:

If you're going to argue something so obvious, argue against the link I just posted. Numbers don't lie.

I will have to do some work now, but I will catch you tomorrow.

Gnight.

all4naija: Seriously, you failed to see what diversity was all about from this your response. Using language diversity to explain this very idea as to the link you posted nullifies what I would have accepted to be self-explanatory post, because, the chart only explains why SA is more higher than Nigeria on that chart for the simple reason of Greenberg's diversity index(which is disputable because it is based on location). The correct information is that Nigeria is more linguistically diverse than SA any day through collated date - link 1 HERE and link 2 HERE. However, I don't quite agree in the real sense one would accept the Greenberg's diversity index(as posted in The Economist) to based language diversity on location that is a clear indication of what you are trying to insinuate with Nigeria is not diverse enough rhetoric.

GeneralJ:

If they completed it then how come seleka boiz are riding around town like a boss in your trucks lol, they can't even protect ordinary pickup trucks haha

sithwell:

1. Very quickly, you can't dispute a study by using a wiki link, so - fail! I won't read that. We don't do wiki on this forum.

2. The study I linked you to is not based on location. It's based on behaviour. Fail!

3. The second link you posted lists the NUMBER of languages spoken. It doesn't speak to my point, which is integration and being cosmopolitan - in deed and in thought. Once again - fail !

You don't get my argument; and you don't get your own argument, All4Naija.

I should go. Perhaps tomorrow, you would have slept over it.

Night, night.

andrewza:

I have anserwed that qustion before. SA gave the CAR armt 1 billion rand worth of milltary aide. Including donated vechikes

andrewza:

I have anserwed that qustion before. SA gave the CAR armt 1 billion rand worth of milltary aide. Including donated vechikes

all4naija:
1. Yet you can dispute an argument based on a link from 'The Economist'. That nullifies your first point.Failure!

2. It is based on location not behavior - "which scores countries on the probability that two citizens will share a mother tongue". You failed!

3.The second link is not about language NUMBER(size)alone but about STATUS,FAMILY of a country. I never said it speaks about your point either but to clarify you about the generality of diversity. So you failed that!

I hope to get your argument besides what I quoted earlier and responded to, sithwell.

Take good care of yourself. Morrow!

MajorJ:

Donated vehicles with South African flags on them??

all4naija: South Africa did that to protect their interest in that country. To get the right to CAR economy and possibly their natural resources!

sithwell:

I'm still here cause I know you!

Listen wena - here's a short lesson, seeing as you're struggling as usual

A representative sample is taken. Ok? Understand that bit? And THEN based on the sample, behaviour is assessed. Speaking a mother tongue is a behaviour. It's not a location issue. This is then adjusted against the size of the population in the country. Do you get that? It's a behavioral enquiry. "Meet", "Speak" = behavior, adjusted against population size. It's got nothing to do with location. It's purely a numbers game assessing behaviour and interaction between cultures.

Ok - lesson over. Oh, by the way - FAIL !!!!

Secondly, even if you were correct that Nigeria is more linguistically diverse than SA, there is only a .2 point difference between the countries. Now, given that Nigeria has 500+ languages and SA, 24; SA is far more culturally integrated. We should be bottom of the pile, given that we have less that 50 languages. Yet, we are right up there with big-population countries. No amount of denial can blind you to that. We are unmatched in Africa. We are cosmopolitan with a capital letter "C".

And this is the point that you will find throughout my posts. Which point you still don't get.

Even if this point were also to prove wrong, SA still has far more of the sort of diversity that attracts global talent. Afterall, you and I are only talking about linguistic diversity. Only a fraction of the available indicators. Ultimately, my point is about the sort of diversity that means that the incidence of cultural shock is less in SA than it is in Nigeria. And that sort of diversity incorporates race, history, origin and culture. Speaking a thousand tribal languages means nothing really.

Regarding being worldly, you might as well speak one language. You don't have useful diversity.

Having a bed of differently coloured roses is unlike having a bed of roses, tulips and ferns. Nigeria is the former. SA is the latter. And THAT is the absolute point.

Now, I'm really going.

This is really goodnight. :-)

I know you will come with another excuses to support your claim.

Firstly, the probability of two people sharing a mother tongue is based on their location than their behavior(mother tongue, which is not the object but the subject of this matter). That the two people are likely to have the mother tongue has to do with the region they are located (in the case of SA you made mentioned of)than the way they conduct themselves.

Okay. Lesson accessed. You failed and keep pointing to the wrong thing in the matter of that Greenberg's diversity index.

Secondly,it is correct Nigeria in absolute capacity is more linguistically diverse than SA. Even Pauper New Guinea is at the very top though with little population with over 850 languages yet less integrated. That alone nullifies your point using less-language and well- integrated options to support your biased claims. I can only relate with the fact that what put SA on top(cannot top Nigeria on a factual ground) is racial shades of color in that society and that doesn't point out all there is about diversity as against location(which scores countries on the probability that two citizens will share a mother tongue - Greenberg's diversity index).

What attracts global talents in SA than the other African countries is not actually about diversity but about its development, mainly infrastructural development. The idea there is cultural diversity in SA than Nigeria in this your claim, as I am surprised to learn here, is not a yard stick to measure cultural diversity, which if Nigeria and SA are given the privileges to showcase their cultural diversity Nigeria will obviously be on the lead. You don't have to think there are no Europeans, Indians, Chinese,colored,etc people in Nigeria but in a very small numbers. The cultural nuances of Nigeria are as many as the numbers of ethnic languages. You are being mislead by that The Economist link to think the other way round.

The truth is that Nigeria have identity that is diverse enough to put it in the situation it find itself today. That diversity you can spot any where they are in the world. So, it is clear South Africa is really worldly in a sense, where you might be speaking a single language and we all know that to be far from being diversity as you laid claim to with less-language assertion.

That is where you missed it, bed of roses, tulips and ferns are still flowers which is reflected in the racial color of your society yet you leave out the diversity that comes with the plethora of cultural background of colorful roses, tulips, ferns, the perfume of lavenders, the broad leave of plantains, palms,etc as in the case of Nigeria. In other words, Nigeria can as well testify to all the different diversities(in small population - the reason why they are not so pronounced) in your society with many more from the indigenous people as well. That is, Nigeria have SA diversity as well as much more indigenous people's differences.

Okay. See you soon.

andrewza:

And your point is what?

all4naija: My point is that it is based on selfish aim to do that why claiming to be helping to find solutions to the problems in that region. In the real sense, SA is not a saint as it is trying to claim.

andrewza:


Lol. Every one dose somthing for personal gain.

Nigeria is in malili because it becam a BH save haven

all4naija: In the real sense Nigerian military being in Mali is not for selfish interest, unlike SA foraging for resources and staging economic imperialism for unknown reasons yet covered them up as though finding solutions to the problems in the region.

all4naija: My point is that it is based on selfish aim to do that why claiming to be helping to find solutions to the problems in that region. In the real sense, SA is not a saint as it is trying to claim.

DictatorZAR:

So other countries who has troops in CAR is, why don't anyone say anything about the French and Chad support for rebels. France was even the headquarters of these rebels. People keep quite when others do things to protect national and neocolonial interests, but hey the French media has already brainwashed allot of you fools here.

all4naija: In the real sense Nigerian military being in Mali is not for selfish interest, unlike SA foraging for resources and staging economic imperialism for unknown reasons yet covered them up as though finding solutions to the problems in the region.

DictatorZAR: Now when it comes to US-military ambitions on the continent South Africa and its Southern African counterparts are the main reason USAFRRICOM has failed to reach every corner of Africa.

Here's an overview on SANDF's stance on AFRICOM which also led to SA goverment officials threatening Botswana for there cozy US-military relations.

General Carter Ham head of US-AFRICOM command recently told Mail&Guardian on there relations with Africa and especially SA. I quote

"We don't to go where we are not wanted. We recognize sovereignty. We've got no intention of pushing ourselves into a place where we not wanted."

Last year former ANC deputy secretary general Thandi Modise, was quoted having told Botswana National Front that there are some leaders within SADC who "want to host people who want to hurt us. They. Think as long as they can get funding from these Western People they are fine. But I can tell you that we not happy at all."


AFRICOM appears to have a good relationship with West African countries, with its largest force around 2000 troops in Djibouti, where Ham said they are helping to strengthen East African Forces.

The relationship with SADC is however yet to blossom into what AFRICOM wishes to have.

As for AFRICOM's relationship with South Africa, Ham believes there is an opportunity to an improvement.

"We are not always going to agree, we are two bog countries, but that's okay," he said.
http://m.mg.co.za/index.php?view=article&urlid=2013-03-21-africom-struggling-to-win-south-africas-blessing

Now SA has refused to allow imperialist nations access to within 1000km to its borders Nigeria has allowed Niger to do as they please. No if only the so called Giants can live up to there socalled military states as west africa's big brother.

Thiza: South African troops should feel good about their performance which was no disgrace at all....atleast they gave a good account of themselves than be disarmed.

Tragedy has affected all of the best militaries of the world but however is not how many times one falls but how many times you stand up and be counted.

United States suffered humiliating defeat in Vietnam
Soviet Union (Russian) experianced the same fate in Afghanistan.
Guatemala Special Forces suffered 12 against LRA IN DR Congo.
Indian forces disarmed and held hostage by rebels in Sierra Leone.
Nigerian forces humiliated in Darfur.
British Commandos captured by rebels in Sierra Leone.
19 US Rangers killed in Mogadishu.
More than 500 Russians special forces killed by Chenchen rebels in Grozny.

Countless countries have experianced such set backs and SANDF IS NOT THE FIRST AND NOT THE LAST.....BUT SHOULD BE PROUD TO FOUGHT A GOOD FIGHT WHICH NIGERIANS ENVY