@Madawaki01 i salute you sir !

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[size=16pt]weakness of south african navy Type 209 submarines[/size]


south african navy Type 209 submarine has only a submerged range of 740km and nigeria is 5,000km away.

Range:

11000 Nautical miles (nmi) at 10 knots, surfaced,
(20,000 km at 20 km/h)


8,000 nmi at 10 knots, snorkeling,
(15,000 km at 20 km/h)


400 nmi at 4 knots, submerged
(740 km at 7 km/h)


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Type_209_submarine


this is the weakness of south african navy submarines i said i have seen and i will post, the naval blockade if attempted will be a total disaster leading to the wiping out of south africa's expensive but not so effective navy.


south africa will not be able to torpedo NNS ARADU, she will be safe in harbour because south african submarines CANNOT reach nigerian waters 5,000km away without surfacing or snorkeling and nigerian super spy satellites and the powerful ATR-42 Surveyor aircraft master of the ocean will see your submarines coming, then NNS ARADU withdraws into safe harbour sourrounded by anti-submarine and anti-frogmen nets and mines.

the submarines need to be exposed to surface in nigerian waters to give them range, and they will be sunk by NAF Alpha jets and L-39 Albatross jets, or even Mi-35 nd Mi-171 terminator helicopter gunships, as the submarine sails in that vulnerable mode.

south african navy submarines have NO capacity to remain in nigerian waters for more than one single day (and that is if they ever reach nigerian EEZ ocean territory alive without being sunk by NAF aircraft rockets) and mount a naval blockade without running out of diesel/fuel or being sunk from the air by jets or helicopters.

they CANNOT mount a naval blockade 5,000 km away from home. FACT !!!!

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i am beginning to see signs that nigerian military top brass have analysed every threat possible from all other african countries and have a combat solution to every possible threat.

reason they are not afraid of anybody buying any weapons we dont have in nigeria.

i think the only hurry now that nigerian military wants to quickly settle is the beyond visual range ultra modern AKASH 35km range land based anti-aircraft missiles purchase from india.

this will give us more air defence range against countries like Egypt since Roland SAM range is about 8km.

with the coming AKASH SAM, coming Type 056 Stealth warship, coming Pipavav Tiger class Stealth warship, the existing PL-9C air to air missiles, Otomat anti-ship missiles, beyond visual range ASPIDE anti-aircraft missiles with 75km range for air defence at sea, Bofors F-77 40km range artillery, APR-40 mobile Rocket artillery with 45km range, Palmaria mobile artillery with 30km range, ATR-42 Surveyor aircraft, Spy Satellites in orbit.....

even Egypt will think twice before attacking nigeria.

South Africa wont even try it, they will look for another way of committing suicide at home in soweto . FACT !!!


http://beegeagle./2013/03/07/india-to-help-nigeria-modernise-her-air-defences-spotlight-on-the-indian-made-akash-medium-range-area-defence-missile-system/


[img]http://3.bp..com/_44d3OT-xI3U/SvcUNZho4lI/AAAAAAAABL0/tn0Rd7d11i0/s1600/Akash%2BChart-2.JPG[/img]

In fact you are just redundancy for the Indian Mars Mission

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mars_Orbiter_Mission

Tracking and command

The Indian Space Research Organisation Telemetry, Tracking and Command Network performed navigation and tracking operations for the launch with ground stations at Sriharikota, Port Blair, Brunei and Biak in Indonesia,[53] and after the spacecraft's apogee becomes more than 100,000 km, two large 18-metre and 32-metre diameter antennas of the Indian Deep Space Network will be utilised.[54] NASA's Deep Space Network will provide position data through its three stations located in Canberra, Madrid and Goldstone on the U.S. West Coast during the non-visible period of ISRO's network.[55] Additional monitoring is provided by technicians on board two leased ships from Shipping Corporation of India, SCI Nalanda and SCI Yamuna which are currently in position in the South Pacific near Fiji.[54][56]

agaugust:


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the next lie you will tell us here is that your grandmother is still a virgin as at today

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You don kill me.

He has become so predictable

Which group would you honestly want to belong to,no lie o!! Nigeria or South Africa.

They said we cant track them using satellites abi?

http://www.nigerianeye.com/2012/05/nigerian-satellites-to-monitor.html

The Federal Government will soon deploy satellites to trace movement of suspected terrorists and their locations in the country. The Director General of the National Space Research and Development Agency (NASRDA), Dr Seidu O. Mohammed said yesterday said there will be training sessions for the security agencies in the next few weeks.
“We will also use communications satellites and global positioning systems to monitor every neighbourhood. We believe that is possible here and we are making effort to do that,” he said. “The training is for military and para-military, we will bring them here and train them on how to use our data, because every satellite launch has its own parameters and you need to understand them, before you operate them.” Nigeria Sat 2 and Sat X are high resolution satellites with the ability to give very close images.

agaugust:

any dummy can post lies on wikipedia dude, reason why i use it with caution and compare other sources, then i use my common sense too.

the south african long range sniper shot is fake , according to your own SANDF army general. we posted that source many times here at that time.

SANDF members are not supposed to commend anything that concerns UN activities. The UN has spokesperson to do that hence no South African has the authority to over step such boundries. The snyper shot is a reality chief, even the dead officer of the rebels will confirm that to you that he was wiped out of the face of the earth from a long distance that he could never imagine can have an impact. SANDF spokesperson are not fools like Nigerians spokesperson who would go and tell the whole world that Shekau is dead. Our spokesperson are first briefed by intelligence, and thereafter they are being adviced of whether it willl be worthwhile to overstep boundries and comment about activities that involve another organisation. In that case, they are more likely to play ignorant.

drag_on: Which group would you honestly want to belong to,no lie o!! Nigeria or South Africa.

South Africa.

agaugust:

Nigeria, the biggest war ever on African soil is Biafran war 1967-1970 with half a million soldiers fighting on both sides and the largest marine/amphibious landing in african history was done by nigerian navy warships and army 3rd marine commandoes.

now go drink your own urine , you need natural cure therapy

http://globalsecurity.org/military/world/nigeria/marine-commando.htm

3rd Marine Commando Division

The 3rd Marine Commando "Division" was a regular army formation, assembled during the civil war, with some amphibious capabilities as part of their remit. They were never designated as special forces as most of their listed and recorded engagements were conventional combat operations. The founder, then Colonel Benjamin Adekunle, simply changed the name from the 3rd infantry division without formal approval from Army HQ. The 3rd Marine Commando was stretched across a vast area of jungle and riverain creeks called the “southern front” extending 150 miles from the Orashi river through Owerri, Aba and Ikot Ekpene to Itu along the Cross-River.

Amphibious landings by the Nigerian marines led by Major Isaac Adaka Boro captured the Niger Delta cities of Bonny, Okrika and Port Harcourt on 26 July 1967. The Bonny landing of July 1967 was hailed as the first such operation by any Third World country. The 3 Marine Commando landing at Bonny was the first large scale amphibious operation planned and executed by the Nigerian Armed Forces. The troops were hurriedly assembled and launched into operation. Quite a number of them suffered sea sickness which impacted negatively on their fighting efficiency. The casualties suffered during the landing were attributed to inadequate sea familiarisation by the troops.

This was followed by the Delta Ports Amphibious Operations in September 1967 to recapture the riverside ports of Warri, Koko and Sapele from the Biafrans. Another major operation was mounted on 19 October 1967 to liberate Calabar by November 1967, followed by the amphibious landing of the 3 Marine Commandos at a beachhead in Oron to capture the mainland of Cross River State.

The only thing that stood between Col. Mohammed and Onitsha was the great Niger Bridge. However, while he was standing on the Asaba end of it contemplating driving across Biafran sappers blew it up. The 2DIV assault river crossing of the River Niger to take Onitsha on 9 October 1967 was under then Lt. Col. Murtala Mohammed. Using Inland Waterway ferries, and preceded by a three to four day artillery and air bombardment, on the night of October 8, 1967 two poorly trained and equipped federal battalions landed on the shores of Onitsha near the market. Ferries bringing reinforcements (including Panhard armored vehicles and ammo) to them were abandoned midstream by scared civilian ferry pilots. It became a turkey shoot with panicky federal troops roaming around in a discoordinated fashion. The Onitsha landing disaster took a great toll on Federal troops due to the ad hoc manner the troops embarked on the operation without adequate watermanship skill and air support. Two more attempts at a frontal river crossing were made before efforts to take Onitsha from Asaba were finally abandoned. In January 1968, after the abortive attempts to capture Onitsha from Asaba, Murtala moves up the Niger, crosses it at Idah and advances down to Awka and Onitsha, and captured Onitsha on 21 March 1968.

Shell did not only bankroll Nigerian war efforts against Biafra. It offered logistics to the Nigerian Marines by actively using its empty tankers to ferry Nigerian soldiers from Lagos to the ports of Biafra. The Nigerian federal forces launched one of their final offensive the Biafrans on 23 December 1969 with a major thrust by the Nigerian marines led by Colonel Olusegun Obasanjo which split the Biafran enclave into two. Another offensive was launched on 7 January, 1970 which led to the surrender of the Biafran forces on 13 January, 1970 with Ojukwu fleeing to Ivory Coast.

In January 1970, Nigerian marines invaded a Red Cross hospital near Orlu in Biafra, took all the food and raped the white nurses. In Owerri, looting took place right on the main square in front of of visiting newsmen. Several marine enlisted men simply entered a house and started ransacking it. On the other side of the square, a drunken marine spotted a young refugee with his wife. The marine demanded the wife and was about to make off with her when a marine lieutenant happened by. The lieutenant pulled out his .45 and shot the soldier in the foot. Neither rape nor looting is condoned by Nigerian officers. One marine was shot to death on the spot when he was found raping an Ibo girl near the Owerri radio station. He was not even arrested and tried. "There was no need," an officer said, matter-of-factly. "He was caught in the act." Afterwards, a particular western foreign power, demanded and insisted on the dismantling of the Nigerian Marine Commandos.




Nigerian Civil War Amphibious Operations


Amphibious Army-Navy assault at Bonny on July 26, 1967.

Successful

This opposed beach landing operation also involved the use of merchant ships from the Nigerian National Shipping Line. It was the first joint Army-Navy combat operation in post-colonial Nigeria.


Joint amphibious Army-Navy operations at Escravos, Koko, Youngtown, Sapele and Warri during operations to clear the Midwest. (August and September 1967)

Successful

These landings were mostly unopposed.


Operation Tiger-Claw: Joint amphibious Army-Navy assault on Calabar on October 18, 1967.

Successful




Joint amphibious assault on Oron, March 1968.

Successful

This was the first full coordinated tri-service joint operation, involving the NA, NN and NAF.

Fighter Pilot:

SANDF members are not supposed to commend anything that concerns UN activities. The UN has spokesperson to do that hence no South African has the authority to over step such boundries. The snyper shot is a reality chief, even the dead officer of the rebels will confirm that to you that he was wiped out of the face of the earth from a long distance that he could never imagine can have an impact. SANDF spokesperson are not fools like Nigerians spokesperson who would go and tell the whole world that Shekau is dead. Our spokesperson are first briefed by intelligence, and thereafter they are being adviced of whether it willl be worthwhile to overstep boundries and comment about activities that involve another organisation. In that case, they are more likely to play ignorant.

Even if true, so what? It just shows you can shoot from a distance, but no show close up.

Shekau is dead. What is your point?

agaugust:


i am beginning to see signs that nigerian military top brass have analysed every threat possible from all other african countries and have a combat solution to every possible threat.

reason they are not afraid of anybody buying any weapons we dont have in nigeria.

i think the only hurry now that nigerian military wants to quickly settle is the beyond visual range ultra modern AKASH 35km range land based anti-aircraft missiles purchase from india.

this will give us more air defence range against countries like Egypt since Roland SAM range is about 8km.

with the coming AKASH SAM, coming Type 056 Stealth warship, coming Pipavav Tiger class Stealth warship, the existing PL-9C air to air missiles, Otomat anti-ship missiles, beyond visual range ASPIDE anti-aircraft missiles with 75km range for air defence at sea, Bofors F-77 40km range artillery, APR-40 mobile Rocket artillery with 45km range, Palmaria mobile artillery with 30km range, ATR-42 Surveyor aircraft, Spy Satellites in orbit.....

even Egypt will think twice before attacking nigeria.

South Africa wont even try it, they will look for another way of committing suicide at home in soweto . FACT !!!

[img]http://3.bp..com/_44d3OT-xI3U/SvcUNZho4lI/AAAAAAAABL0/tn0Rd7d11i0/s1600/Akash%2BChart-2.JPG[/img]

Agaugust busy ranting like an embecile "blah! Blah! Blah! Blah!" Without facts

agaugust:

how many south african army soldiers have died in wars or fire fights since the past 25 years ? only 15 killed by seleka

how does that make an whole army battle hardened ?

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This is so true, but try telling this to MikeZa who is under the impression SANDF is battle hardened , so laughable. I have said talk to me about SADF but not SANDF. This of course means the SANDF has no history of modern warfare.

Nigeria has been in constant warfare since 1990 and this little Hollywood man is trying to lecture us

rka1:

http://globalsecurity.org/military/world/nigeria/marine-commando.htm

3rd Marine Commando Division The Bonny landing of July 1967 was hailed as the first such operation by any Third World country.

mother of all battles in the history of Africa

Fighter Pilot:

Agaugust busy ranting like an embecile "blah! Blah! Blah! Blah!" Without facts

source :

http://beegeagle./2013/03/07/india-to-help-nigeria-modernise-her-air-defences-spotlight-on-the-indian-made-akash-medium-range-area-defence-missile-system/


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rka1:

Even if true, so what? It just shows you can shoot from a distance, but no show close up.

Shekau is dead. What is your point?

Shekau, the man reported to have been killed.

agaugust:

source :

http://beegeagle./2013/03/07/india-to-help-nigeria-modernise-her-air-defences-spotlight-on-the-indian-made-akash-medium-range-area-defence-missile-system/


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Extra link
http://defenceforumindia.com/forum/indian-air-force/36402-india-help-boost-nigeria-s-air-defences.html

Fighter Pilot:

Shekau, the man reported to have been killed.

You are well behind the times. I am not going to do your job for you. Google is your friend or go back several pages to find out how the video was faked.

Even the Americans confirmed it is fake.

drag_on:

Extra link
http://defenceforumindia.com/forum/indian-air-force/36402-india-help-boost-nigeria-s-air-defences.html

thanks

Fighter Pilot:

Shekau, the man reported to have been killed.

you can stay and live behind time if you wish, afterall south africans dont use their heads

"The United States of America has confirmed the death of the dreaded Boko Haram leader, Abubakar Shekau.
The Council on Foreign Relations, a US security think-tank, made this confirmation after a thorough investigation.
The Council also claimed that the video released by Boko Haram, where Shekau appeared, was tailored."

http://thenews-chronicle.com/us-confirms-shekaus-death/

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Nigerian Navy takes delivery of new Manta, Shaldag boats

Written by Oscar Nkala, Tuesday, 26 November 2013

A Shaldag fast patrol boat.The Nigerian Navy (NN) has taken delivery of three new 17 metre-long Manta Mk II ASD Littoral Interceptors and one new 25 metre-long Shaldag Mk II Fast Patrol Craft to help the force battle rampant maritime crime.

The four boats were commissioned into service at the NNS Beecroft Naval Base on Victoria Island in Lagos last week by NN Chief of Naval Staff Vice Admiral Dele Ezeoba. The commissioning event also included a tour of the facility where the navy is building the country's second locally-made warship, a 38 metre-long Seaward Defence Boat (SDB), due for delivery in June next year.

The NN now has 22 of the 17 metre-long Manta Mk II ASD Littoral Interceptors while the number of Israeli-made Shaldag Fast Patrol Craft (FPC) vessels has increased to five. The first two Shaldag FPCs were delivered in 2009 while two more were commissioned into service in February this year.

[b]The Shaldag design is in service with the Israeli Navy and other customers in Europe, Asia and Africa. It was developed and built by Israel Shipyards Ltd in the late 1980s but upgraded over the years based on combat experience. [/b]The type is powered by two diesel engines driving two water jets, which give an acceleration time to 40 knots of 40 seconds. The Shaldag Mk II has a length of 24.8 metres, a displacement of 58 tons and a range of 650 nautical miles.

Standard equipment on most Shaldag versions includes an X-band surveillance/navigation radar and electro-optical sensor system for day and night surveillance. A number of armament options are available, including fore and aft deck guns, and heavy machineguns on the fly bridge. The guns can be remotely controlled (such as the 23/25 mm Typhoon and 12.7/7.62 mm Mini-Typhoon) or manually operated. In addition, a 20-23 mm naval gun can be mounted on the rear gun mount or four to eight short range missiles can be carried.

The Suncraft International Manta Mk II is powered by two 1 200 hp diesel engines, giving a top speed between 45 and 50 knots. The 16.5 metre long vessels feature ballistic protection, carry a crew of six and have a range of 250 nautical miles at 35 knots.

The Nigerian government has scaled up the promotion of local defence procurement for the army, air force, navy and the police in a bid to spur the growth of the local defence industry.

Ezeoba said due to the success of the localisation programme, the NN factory has now developed the capacity to manufacture vessels ranging between 10 and 50 metres in length. "The Nigerian Navy will no longer buy a ship of between 10 and 50 meters in size, because we have the capacity and capability to build them in our dockyard," he said.

He said the navy will start manufacturing warships and commercial vessels for the African market. Nigeria has also ordered two 1 800 ton P-18N offshore patrol vessels from the China Ship Building and Offshore International Co Ltd. The Type 056 platform vessels, which feature flight decks and aircraft hangars, are expected to be delivered between April and May 2014.

In August this year, the Nigerian Navy contracted Kelvin Hughes Surveillance to fit the vessels with tactical navigation and situational awareness radar systems.

Nigeria has also ordered two new OCEA FPB 98 Mk.II Coastal Patrol Craft and is expected to take delivery of two more ex-US Coastguard vessels, USNS John McDonnell and USCGC Gallatin, in due course.

http://www.defenceweb.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=32827:nigerian-navy-takes-delivery-of-new-manta-shaldag-boats&catid=51:Sea&Itemid=106

Looks like more arms are ammo are rolling in.


http://leadership.ng/news/251113/army-acquires-arms-ammunitions-fight-boko-haram

Army Acquires Arms, Ammunitions To Fight Boko Haram

By: Midat Joseph on November 25, 2013 - 10:00pm
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The Chief of Army Staff, Lieutenant General Azubuike Ihejirika on Monday said the Army authority has just acquired a cargo of new arms and ammunitions to fight terrorism.

The Army boss, who spoke at the opening ceremony of the 2013 convention of the Nigerian Army Regiment Sergeant Majors (RSM), said Army's equipment were not obsolete as alleged.

Ihejirika, who was represented by Director of Administration, Army Headquarters, Major General Mohammed D. Abubakar, said, "many of our armaments are current ones and more armament are being procured. In fact, a cargo just arrived Abuja on Friday with so many equipment for our use. Over time, procurement of armaments was slow, but of recent, we have embarked on a lot of procurement to enable us meet the challenges we are facing."

Addressing the RSMs drawn from all Army divisions across the country, the Army Chief said the theme of the convention, 'Enhancing the Capacity of the RSM Towards Effective Unit Administration in the Nigerian Army' was timely, considering the nature of security challenges the Nigerian Army was grappling with, alongside the expectation of the citizenry.

"The convention is, therefore, important as you the RSMs are the bridge between the officer cadre and the men. You are the pivot around which discipline and performance of the Nigerian Army revolves. The main objective of the convention is to provide an avenue for Army Headquarters to obtain your views and opinions on contemporary issues affecting the Nigerian Army.

"Of utmost importance is the issue of regimentation which is within your schedule of responsibilities and has a great effect on unit administration and discipline. Your views will be collated as inputs for formation or modification of policy decisions," he said.

He, however, tasked the RSMs to participate actively and come out with meaningful suggestions that would take the Army to greater heights.

Earlier in his welcome, the General Officer Commanding, 1 Division Nigerian Army, Major General Garba A. Wahab, noted that the convention was also meant for the RSMs to brainstorm on continuation of issues related to regimentation and professionalism.

He concluded that the convention had been a veritable ground for sharing knowledge and ideas, and getting to understand the seriousness of the security challenges facing the country and coming up with ideals to deal with the challenges.

Umkhonto Surface-to-Air-Missiles can now be fired through land based launchers, the GBADS, meaning that they can now be used by the South African Army.

Here are the variants of Umkhonto:
1. Umkhonto IR B1(Range 12 000m)
B2(Range 15 000m)
2. Umkhonto ER (Range 20 000m)
3. Umkhonto R (Range 80 000m)

http://itweb.co.za/mobilesite/defenceweb/home/item_id-32171/

http://m.engineeringnews.co.za/article/denel-demonstrates-greater-surface-to-air-missile-range-and-local-air-defence-system-2013-10-09

http://www.defencetalk.com/denel-tests-extended-range-umkhonto-surface-to-air-missile-49350/

Fighter Pilot: Umkhonto Surface-to-Air-Missiles can now be fired through land based launchers, the GBADS, meaning that they can now be used by the South African Army.

Here are the variants of Umkhonto:
1. Umkhonto IR B1(Range 12 000m)
B2(Range 15 000m)
2. Umkhonto ER (Range 20 000m)
3. Umkhonto R (Range 80 000m)

http://itweb.co.za/mobilesite/defenceweb/home/item_id-32171/

http://m.engineeringnews.co.za/article/denel-demonstrates-greater-surface-to-air-missile-range-and-local-air-defence-system-2013-10-09

http://www.defencetalk.com/denel-tests-extended-range-umkhonto-surface-to-air-missile-49350/

even the 20km range umkhonto missile is NOT YET in service. still under testing, it takes time to complete missile tests to avoid failure in battlefield engagement. so please dont ever post the fake imaginary 80km variant on this forum again, you hear me ?

also, NOT every DENEL tested weapon or munition is in service with south african military.

you only have what you buy. nigerian army too pays for DICON weapons before we can induct them into service.

dont think government arms company will give free weapons to any military anywhere, USSR tried it and her economy collapsed.

lastly, there is NO Umkhonto missile ever built to range of 80km, it is just a proposal and hope for the future.

the longest range Umkhonto missile ever built in this world is only 20km and still under testing.

"Denel Dynamics, the guided weapons division of South Africa's Denel, carried out the first live-fire tests of the land-based version of its Umkhonto naval surface-to-air missile (SAM) between 1 and 3 October.

The tests also saw an Umkhonto-IR destroy a target at 20 km for the first time, a feat achieved after recent modifications to the Block 2 variant"

SOURCE : http://www.janes.com/article/28033/land-based-umkhonto-fired-for-the-first-time

nigeria has ASPIDE beyond visual range anti aircraft missile with range 75km, don't feel too bad about naija's missile superiority, after all nigeria is a senior brother to south africa.

SOURCE : http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/missile/row/aspide.htm


soweto's air defence missile capability is still much far behind that of lagos, live with it because you cannot deal with it.

you like to suck your thumb like a toddler, okay go ahead

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Fighter Pilot:

Agaugust busy ranting like an embecile "blah! Blah! Blah! Blah!" Without facts

How can you understand when you are not a Nigerian Any Nigerian that is familiar with the military understands that well. So zip it

agaugust:


even the 20km range umkhonto missile is NOT YET in service. still under testing, it takes time to complete missile tests to avoid failure in battlefield engagement. so please dont ever post the fake imaginary 80km variant on this forum again, you hear me ?

also, NOT every DENEL tested weapon or munition is in service with south african military.

you only have what you buy. nigerian army too pays for DICON weapons before we can induct them into service.

dont think government arms company will give free weapons to any military anywhere, USSR tried it and her economy collapsed.

lastly, there is NO Umkhonto missile ever built to range of 80km, it is just a proposal and hope for the future.

the longest range Umkhonto missile ever built in this world is only 20km and still under testing.

"Denel Dynamics, the guided weapons division of South Africa's Denel, carried out the first live-fire tests of the land-based version of its Umkhonto naval surface-to-air missile (SAM) between 1 and 3 October.

The tests also saw an Umkhonto-IR destroy a target at 20 km for the first time, a feat achieved after recent modifications to the Block 2 variant"

SOURCE : http://www.janes.com/article/28033/land-based-umkhonto-fired-for-the-first-time

nigeria has ASPIDE beyond visual range anti aircraft missile with range 75km, don't feel too bad about naija's missile superiority, after all nigeria is a senior brother to south africa.

SOURCE : http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/missile/row/aspide.htm


soweto's air defence missile capability is still much far behind that of lagos, live with it because you cannot deal with it.

you like to suck your thumb like a toddler, okay go ahead

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What do you understand by phase1 and phase2 in any project. The project is ready to be used anytime South Africa engage into war. As we speak Umkhonto missiles can be fired from GBADS. Denel (SA government owned company) has plenty of these in stock. Remember, this is not Roland which can just be jammed by an ordinary fly and which cannot even fire at night when its radar has been tempered with. This is UMKHONTO IR

Umkhonto R also called block 3 with an extended range of up to 80 000m has already been developed. Due to budget constraints denel looks for a partner for large production of this masterpiece.

Just send your low-cost Chengdu F7-Ni in Soweto to have a taste of it and they will tell you thereafter when your pilots arrive home on body bags.

My father is way older than a country called Nigeria which is claiming to be brother of SA.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nigeria

Fighter Pilot: Umkhonto R also called block 3 with an extended range of up to 80 000m has already been developed. Due to budget constraints denel looks for a partner for large production of this masterpiece.

shouldn't our two countries work together instead of fighting on the internet ?

Denel chasing orders worth R35 billion.

http://itweb.co.za/mobilesite/defenceweb/home/item_id-32546/

Denel on the 21 Nov won a missile contract in UAE.

http://itweb.co.za/mobilesite/defenceweb/home/item_id-32761/

Fighter Pilot: My father is way older than a country called Nigeria which is claiming to be brother of SA.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nigeria

its not like the "Rainbow Nation" of yesterday is older than i or my country men then fighting in somalia.

What really suprises me is that even though your country has 170million people to our 50million you are still behind us in gdp and also have no modern fighters that could even compare to the gripen along with this the so called "unproven" rooivalk recently killed m23 rebels in the congo on november 4th a day later I quote"the remaining m23 senior comanders have now fled across the border into rwanda" also on the 5th november reuters reported that"m23 rebels have decided to lay down their arms" I enjoyed nigerias large input into the region... oh wait ther was none further south africa could easily relaunch its nuclear program to which nigeria would be helpless as south africa has also previously begun developing a ICBM which was stopped but if we really wanted we could just drop nukes from one of our c-130's and finally to end IF there was a war between the two nations and sanctions were placed on them who would still have a advanced arms industry capable of building mirages(atlas cheetas)aswell as rooivalks,r5 rifles ,various artilery pieces,aa guns and basically anything that would be needed for war