Professionalism is made of such stuff

MikeZA: Your army lacks armoured vehicles most of them aren't operational because of your poor decisions when it comes to acquisitions and maintenance.

You mean this? We don't have these.

SANDF is not a Rag Tag Army

If Wishes were horses many would have prefered SANDF to be their Military of choice

[size=16pt] Nigeria has the weakest military in the world. Fact!!!. Ladies and Gentlemen that was a long tiring journey in order to establish who has the strongest military in Africa and this topic should however be closed once and for all because Nigeria is undoubtedly not one of the best militaries in Africa.

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To be honest, sercurity guards in SA are better trained and more competent than the useless nigerian military.
While SA standards are first world, everything about Nigeria is 3rd and even 4th world.

agaugust: We have seen men at play....SANDF, now let us see real men at war....Naija army !

Are you sure those are not rebels or Boko Haram? It is a lie that soldiers are not supposed to look fine and neat. Having been a soldier myself, I was taught that discipline is maintained through neatness in the way you wear your uniform as a soldier. Your boots must shine and your uniform must be well ironed so as to look different to rebels.

@Msauza It is indeed time this gets thread locked, it has gone on for too long, we Nigerians have already proven we are the pride of Africa in every single way possible since the very beginning of this thread, whereas jobless South African bush warriors continue to post pictures of white people on training exercises in a thread about who has the strongest military in Africa, i don tire, lock thread.

osystein: To be honest, sercurity guards in SA are better trained and more competent than the useless nigerian military.
While SA standards are first world, everything about Nigeria is 3rd and even 4th world.

lmao! what standards are first world? you couldn't even hold seleka rebels in CAR.. these guys are jokes..

and if Nigerian army are "useless" according to you, stop sending your soldiers to come train here

Only pride remains for Nigeria as of reality South Africa has proven through facts to be atleast 50 Years ahead of the Nigerian rag tag army....which has only 1 year combat experiance and now wants to tell the world that they have arrived.....before making more noise please find the missing girls and then you can seek respect......REMEMBER AN EMPTY VESSELS MAKES THE LOUDEST NOISE

Thiza: Only pride remains for Nigeria as of reality South Africa has proven through facts to be atleast 50 Years ahead of the Nigerian rag tag army....which has only 1 year combat experiance and now wants to tell the world that they have arrived.....before making more noise please find the missing girls and then you can seek respect......REMEMBER AN EMPTY VESSELS MAKES THE LOUDEST NOISE

empty vessels post poses while "filled" vessels post war front pictures... there's a huge difference... nice training pictures by the way

dragon2: South Africa’s failure to successfully engage some of Africa’s most troublesome conflict zones has undermined the country’s credibility and cast doubt about whether South Africa should be perceived as the continent’s regional military and political leader. Ineffectual leadership is at the heart of the matter. President Zuma has made some dubious decisions regarding South Africa’s regional foreign policy, and his inability to meaningfully address the plethora of domestic problems facing the country raises question about its suitability as Africa’s de facto leader.

In spite of its own domestic challenges, Nigeria appears better suited to assume a position of future leadership going forward. While South Africa attempted to push for a power sharing government in Ivory Coast and was slow to unfreeze the assets of the National Transition Council in Libya, Abuja acted swiftly and decisively in both cases. Nigeria’s success in helping end the conflicts in Sierra Leone and Liberia have also given it clout in terms of finding solutions to regional conflicts. In recognition of its growing leadership role, Nigeria recently won the backing of the African Union to once again become a non-permanent member of the UN Security Council.

South Africa would do well to make itself more visible as part of UN peacekeeping missions, especially now that Nigeria has announced it is pulling many of its peacekeeping troops out of Darfur and Mali in order to tackle the Boko Haram insurrection at home. However, facing mounting pressure at home and given the pending 2014 general election, it appears unlikely that President Zuma will commit significant troops — even to AU and UN-backed peacekeeping missions — in the near future. The true test of whether South Africa will be able to reach its potential as a political and military leader in Africa will depend on its ability to successfully address its mounting domestic issues while implementing a foreign policy that is not at odds with its own stated objectives.

http://www.internationalpolicydigest.org/2013/07/27/why-south-africa-is-not-fit-to-lead-africa/

this is one fact these dull south Africans (especially @patches) have refused to swallow. if you like buy nuclear weapons, you remain the last option when it comes to continental authourity and military power.
you are yet to pay the price, so cannot be trusted to lead militarily.

accept your new boss and pay homage.

Big mouth and endless ego wont make Nigeria the best military against South Africa....most of the weapons shown on these photos besides fighters are designed, planned, produced and marketed by South Africa.....can that be said about Nigeria

Thiza: Big mouth and endless ego wont make Nigeria the best military against South Africa....most of the weapons shown on these photos besides fighters are designed, planned, produced and marketed by South Africa.....can that be said about Nigeria

nigeria designs many of her weapons as well... so still waiting for war front poses

For nearly 3 years Nairas have posted all the weapons they produces but nothing match what South Africa has and sell to the world. Stop being dilussional or memory lapses....this topic was exhausted and Naira were exposed to be a small ammunition producing, small arms producing and servicing of broken springs.....NO STORY TO WRITE ABOUT.

Here is the real and true story to write about : DESIGNED, PRODUCED, MANUFACTURED BY SOUTH AFRICA

Thiza: For nearly 3 years Nairas have posted all the weapons they produces but nothing match what South Africa has and sell to the world. Stop being dilussional or memory lapses....this topic was exhausted and Naira were exposed to be a small ammunition producing, small arms producing and servicing of broken springs.....NO STORY TO WRITE ABOUT.

Here is the real and true story to write about : DESIGNED, PRODUCED, MANUFACTURED BY SOUTH AFRICA

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G6 and G5 Artillery guns of South Africa were designed by Canada and Iraq.....

Now 'stolen' glory by DENEL....

South African second dullest brain CANNOT design artillery...

Glory stealing Soweto thief !


"Contrary to mythology, the G5 is not a South African design, but rather the work of one Gerald Vincent Bull (1928-1990), who based the barrel design on his earlier work for the Canadian and US governments. Input from Iraq, under the designation FF551, led to revisions of the design"

http://www.defenceweb.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=13102:Bleep&catid=79:fact-files&Itemid=159


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Apostle1RSA: You ill-informed fellow Africans....dont ever fool yourselves into thinking that SANDF is inferior to Morocco or Nigerian Armies. Yoooo please dont come here and write jajaragh comments..... SANDF is ranked in the same league with US Army, Russia, etc......here in Africa we can whoop any one *ass* any time we feel like doing so.

Why did your South African military not whip Seleka rebels that drove your army away from their base in Bangui C.A.R.?


"What is certain, I personally, General Arda Hakouma Seleka Chief of Staff, Chief Of Operations, so I am the one who directed the battle, I saw 36 South African dead and 22 wounded. That’s for sure, and there were prisoners too, we handed them over to Fomac [The regional African peacekeeping force for CAR]," he said .

http://www.english.rfi.fr/africa/20130404-witness-saw-over-50-bodybags-heading-south-africa-amid-allegations-involving-zumas-n

patches689:

Yes, because we are so heavily involved in AU deployments.

Also, those positions are political not operational

Your man will be flying a desk

Nigerian army is NOW fully in charge of OPERATIONS of the AU African force, you have shock and epilepsy already, so chew this...

"Nigerian army Brigadier-General Tijjani Golau has assumed duty as the new Chief of Staff of the African Union Standby Force in the Peace Support Operations Division of the AU Commission, prior to this appointment Brigadier-General Golau was Director, Nigerian Army Centre for Counter Terrorism and Counter Insurgency, the officer is expected to enhance the full [size=14pt]operationalisation[/size] of the African Standby Force."

http://www.punchng.com/news/nigerian-general-appointed-au-standby-force-chief-of-staff/


PHOTO: SOUTH AFRICAN ARMY IN AFRICAN UNION UNDER THE COMMAND AND CONTROL OF THEIR NEW MASTERS THE NIGERIAN ARMY

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@AUGUSTUS REPEATING A LIE MANY TIMES UNTIL PEOPLE START TO BELIEVE IT......SANDF TRASHED SELEKA AND G6 WAS DESIGNED BY CANADIAN IN SOUTH AFRICA AND MANUFACTURED IN SOUTH AFRICA....CRY YOU BITTER BABY......NIGERIA IS USELESS AND DEPENDED ON UK, USA, CHINA AND FOREIGN POWERS FOR ITS EXISTENCE.

MANY WESTERN COUNTRIES HAVE COME TO YOUR ASSISTANCE IN FIGHTING BH....A WAR YOU FAILED TO PROSECUTE ON YOUR OWN, MANY INSTANCES YOUR MILITARY HAVE RUN AWAY THAN FACE SHAKUR'S BOYS.

Agaubububu your army can even hold onto their land in the North of your country and you got the nerve to talk about us in CAR. WE ALL KNOW WHAT REALLY HAPPEN THERE YOUR DI@KHEAD.

Chief of Army Staff, Lt-Gen. KTJ Minimah has confirmed the long held secret that desertion, acts of cowardice and indiscipline within the army in the ongoing fight against terrorism was one of the greatest setbacks in checkmating Boko Haram insurgency in the country.

In a communiqué issued at the end of the third quarterly conference of the COAS, via the Defence Headquarters twitter handle @DefenceInfoNG, being a highlight of the COAS admonition, Minimah said “the rising acts of indiscipline and unprofessional conduct by troops was unbecoming and charged Commanders at all levels to put a stop to it as the Nigerian Army was a professional organization.”

He recalled the attempted mutiny by troops in Maiduguri, the Borno State capital, against the then GOC 7 Division, Maj.Gen Ahmadu Mohammed saying, “A few issues needs to be urgently addressed that have caught my attention in recent weeks.

Principal among these is the rising acts of indiscipline and unprofessional conduct by troops. In this regard, the recent mutinous act in Maiduguri and reported destruction of public property in Lagos readily comes to mind. As a professional army, the conduct of our troops must be above board at all times”

Blaming it on the fact that most people, who joined the military in recent times, do so out of the need for employment and not passion for military service, Minimah said, “Desertion is part of warfare. We must accept that since the era of the Cartagena wars, soldiers had deserted from battle field. In our own case, we are doing recruitment now and we are also receiving presentations from across the country, from people who want their wards to be enlisted in the army”.

“But we need to have a thorough recruitment because mind you, there is high level of unemployment on ground; most people want jobs and if that job means joining the army fine. It is a source of employment.

However, when the reality of the military service comes, he drops his riffles. So desertion will continue to be there. We had desertion in ECOMOG; in the Nigerian Civil war and now it will continue to be there”.

“Also, acts of indiscipline will continue to be there but when they are caught, they are investigated and when they are found questionable they will face the Court-Martial”.

“Like I said, in a few months time, the war will be over. But I cannot give you a clear calendar date because this is war on terrorism. It cannot be determined in terms of concrete date”.
On allegations that the army was underperforming in the war on terror, he said, “The Nigerian Army is performing. I know the expectations of the Nigerian citizens but the expectation is rather too much in haste.
We need some time; we need patience and you must know we are fighting terrorism. We are not fighting a conventional war. Nigerian Army is a conventional and regular army”.

“The terrorist is someone you don’t know. It may be someone who sold food or fruit to you in the morning and by the afternoon he is the terrorist. We are having all that inter-play in the battle front in the North-East. We have to be conscious to separate the terrorist from the law abiding citizens and we also have human rights to protect”.

“We are fighting Nigerian citizens we are not fighting foreigners; so caution must be exercised. I appeal and assure that we will certainly surmount it but we also need support from the nation, from all segments of society and from the people including the media. And we need patience and time for us to do it.
We also have the equipment and the FG is introducing fresh and newer equipment to us which in a short while hopefully be there for use”.

http://www.vanguardngr.com/2014/07/boko-haram-soldiers-chicken-battle-gen-minimah/

Troop101: Agaubububu your army can even hold onto their land in the North of your country and you got the nerve to talk about us in CAR. WE ALL KNOW WHAT REALLY HAPPEN THERE YOUR DI@KHEAD.

The thread/weblink below has shown us hundreds of photos of Nigerian army holding all Nigerian land openly. Now, we want you to show us photos of Boko Haram holding Nigerian land openly, not hiding in the bush secretly to avoid being slaughtered by powerful Nigerian army.

Seleka rebels are in photos holding South African army vehicles, base, weapons and uniforms openly in the city of Bangui NOT secretly hiding in a bush-forest.....and South African army and air force dare not go and challenge them for one minute

https://www.nairaland.com/1801690/photos-nigerian-armys-campaign-north

PHOTO: SELEKA REBELS BOLDLY POSE FOR PHOTOS IN FRONT OF SOUTH AFRICAN MILITARY BASE, AFTER KICKING OUT THE OCCUPANTS

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@AUGUSTUS .....Please this is not the second world war and stop posting such horrific pictures of Nigerian IGIRIGI

The Nigerian military is at the forefront of the war on terror but it is doubtful if it can win this war.

In Nigeria, both our government and the military forces have proved incapable of defeating a small army of insurgents whose activities are limited to the North-East zone. This is in spite of billions of naira in defence spending since 2010. In recent years, Boko Haram has become more daring in its attacks. Apart from conducting suicide bombings, it has continued to carry out coordinated raids on villages and military formations. In these attacks, hundreds of people including soldiers are being killed. The army has often told Nigerians it is winning the war. But Nigerians have dismissed the claims as propaganda because the attacks have become more frequent and deadlier. Why has the war on terror become so intractable? Why have the military forces become so impotent?

Having failed so far, it has become critical to question the ability of our military to win this war. Really, it is becoming apparent that the war on terror may never be won by the military. Recently, President Goodluck Jonathan sought a whopping addition of $1bn foreign loan to tackle Boko Haram. Nigerians are understandably righteously outraged that the war on terror has become a conduit given that between 2012 and 2013 over N3trn, which is about 25 per cent of the national budget, was expended on defence alone. Where did all the money go? By requesting more money without demanding accountability and addressing alleged corruption in the military, the Jonathan administration is indirectly undermining its own effort to combat our security challenges. If money alone had been the issue, the war on terror would have been won a long time ago.

http://www.punchng.com/opinion/why-the-military-cannot-defeat-boko-haram/

Thiza: @AUGUSTUS .....Please this is not the second world war and stop posting such horrific pictures of Nigerian IGIRIGI

Why not?

Igirigi APC proudly made in Nigeria by Nigerian army itself (Not Canadian/Iraqis like SA designed G5 artillery), is made in this year 2014, and the Igirigi has been battle tested in real war zone.

South African Rooikat army IFV you post here is a 1990s product that has NEVER been tested in ANY battle in real war, so....Igirigi for show !

No world war II APC looks like Igirigi, rather your SANDF Ratel IFV looks ugly when put beside NA Igirigi, you need beauty cosmetics, not us

agaugust:

Why not?

Igirigi APC proudly made in Nigeria by Nigerian army itself (Not Canadian/Iraqis like SA designed G5 artillery), is made in this year 2014, and the Igirigi has been battle tested in real war zone.

South African Rooikat army IFV you post here is a 1990s product that has NEVER been tested in ANY battle in real war, so....Igirigi for show !

No world war II APC looks like Igirigi, rather your SANDF Ratel IFV looks ugly when put beside NA Igirigi, you need beauty cosmetics, not us

Why can you not show us the Igirigi in combat?

Must i list our modern MRAPs that have seen combat?

We build everything, missiles, IFV's, artillery we upgrade tanks etc etc etc

Yet you brag about an MRAP of which you only have imaginary 3D drawings?

Clown.

agaugust:

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G6 and G5 Artillery guns of South Africa were designed by Canada and Iraq.....

Now 'stolen' glory by DENEL....

South African second dullest brain CANNOT design artillery...

Glory stealing Soweto thief !


"Contrary to mythology, the G5 is not a South African design, but rather the work of one Gerald Vincent Bull (1928-1990), who based the barrel design on his earlier work for the Canadian and US governments. Input from Iraq, under the designation FF551, led to revisions of the design"

http://www.defenceweb.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=13102:Bleep&catid=79:fact-files&Itemid=159


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Designed by a Canadian in South Africa.

Built in South Africa.

If it wasnt for South Africa it would not exist.

Iraqi's had nothing to do with it... if they did... why did they have to buy them from us?

agaugust:

The thread/weblink below has shown us hundreds of photos of Nigerian army holding all Nigerian land openly. Now, we want you to show us photos of Boko Haram holding Nigerian land openly, not hiding in the bush secretly to avoid being slaughtered by powerful Nigerian army.

Seleka rebels are in photos holding South African army vehicles, base, weapons and uniforms openly in the city of Bangui NOT secretly hiding in a bush-forest.....and South African army and air force dare not go and challenge them for one minute

https://www.nairaland.com/1801690/photos-nigerian-armys-campaign-north

PHOTO: SELEKA REBELS BOLDLY POSE FOR PHOTOS IN FRONT OF SOUTH AFRICAN MILITARY BASE, AFTER KICKING OUT THE OCCUPANTS

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According to the wall street journal BH does hold plenty of Nigerian land
http://online.wsj.com/articles/boko-haram-captures-nigerian-town-1405867543

That photograph cost the Seleka 800 men to take. It costs BH nothing to casually slaughter your civilians.

agaugust:

Nigerian army is NOW fully in charge of OPERATIONS of the AU African force, you have shock and epilepsy already, so chew this...

"Nigerian army Brigadier-General Tijjani Golau has assumed duty as the new Chief of Staff of the African Union Standby Force in the Peace Support Operations Division of the AU Commission, prior to this appointment Brigadier-General Golau was Director, Nigerian Army Centre for Counter Terrorism and Counter Insurgency, the officer is expected to enhance the full [size=14pt]operationalisation[/size] of the African Standby Force."

http://www.punchng.com/news/nigerian-general-appointed-au-standby-force-chief-of-staff/


PHOTO: SOUTH AFRICAN ARMY IN AFRICAN UNION UNDER THE COMMAND AND CONTROL OF THEIR NEW MASTERS THE NIGERIAN ARMY

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SANDF has no men directly under AU command.

And the head of the AU is a South African.

Your general salutes a South African.

Your general is also in command of a unit that as of this time does not exist.

What an acheivement.. no wonder they chose a Nigerian... you guys love your imaginary armies

agaugust:

Why did your South African military not whip Seleka rebels that drove your army away from their base in Bangui C.A.R.?


"What is certain, I personally, General Arda Hakouma Seleka Chief of Staff, Chief Of Operations, so I am the one who directed the battle, I saw 36 South African dead and 22 wounded. That’s for sure, and there were prisoners too, we handed them over to Fomac [The regional African peacekeeping force for CAR]," he said .

http://www.english.rfi.fr/africa/20130404-witness-saw-over-50-bodybags-heading-south-africa-amid-allegations-involving-zumas-n

We have proven that he lied about 36 dead South Africans.

So he is clearly telling lies about the rest.

Probably as his ego is damaged after only 200 men stopped thousands of Seleka dead for 13 hours.