petra1:



It's only as administrative illustration . That doesn't mean he's referring to them as our high priests . Look at the scripture below For example

Exodus 7:1
And the Lord said unto Moses, See, I have made thee a god to Pharaoh: and Aaron thy brother shall be thy prophet

Was Moses a god? Was Aaron a prophet no? But administrative Illlustration . It simply means Moses will speak hriygh Aaron just as God speaks through a prophet

Is that why Adeboye twisted the parable of the sower in Mark chapter 4 Jesus was talking about sowing the gospel to win believers but Adeboye twisted it to mean sowing money to your G.O(himself) to reap a hundred fold return. If you read the Mark 4:8 (that Adeboye quoted out of context and twisted) in proper context, reading the whole chapter from verse one to twenty were Jesus explained the parable himself, you will realise that adeboye's interpretation is not only false but self serving and fraudulent.

petra1:



It's only as administrative illustration . That doesn't mean he's referring to them as our high priests . Look at the scripture below For example

Exodus 7:1
And the Lord said unto Moses, See, I have made thee a god to Pharaoh: and Aaron thy brother shall be thy prophet

Was Moses a god? Was Aaron a prophet no? But administrative Illlustration . It simply means Moses will speak hriygh Aaron just as God speaks through a prophet

Don't u think it would b wise to allow redeem defend itself, Mr sheeple? Abi na u write open heavens?

OK o

CHARLOE:

Don't u think it would b wise to allow redeem defend itself, Mr sheeple? Abi na u write open heavens?

They can't defend themselves as the biblical evidence against their fraudulent teaching is overwhelming. It was this hundred fold return crap that finally convinced me that Adeboye is a fraud.

OkCornel:
These kind of messages are rampant where mammon has replaced God in such a church.

Unbridled thirst for temporary wealth without considering the fact that the treasures of today ends up becoming the trash of tomorrow.

The pursuit of fleeting pleasures at the expense of eternal treasures and development of God-given talents is the biggest form of stupidity I've seen in the commercialized church of God where they preach God's blessings is for sale to the highest tither or bidder (seed-sower).

To all the charlatans trading in the temple of God...Jesus is preparing your special whip to chase you out and overthrow your trading tables

You spoke my mind... Stealing in the name of the LORD.

bloodofthelamb:


You spoke my mind... Stealing in the name of the LORD.

It's really a shame that it's those who are meant to contend for the faith are the ones abusing it by twisting sacred scriptures for personal gain. Yet the bible warned us severally about those who will come to merchandise the gospel.

CHARLOE:
While reading d daily devotional of d RCCG of wed 17 march, 2010, titled ONE HUNDRED FOLD RETURN, it says pastors are priests, and encourages d reader to always sow in d lives of their priests (pastors) in order 4 dem to get a 60 fold return. It went further to say general overseers (G.O's) are high priests and also ecourages d reader to always sow into d live of their G.O. to get a 100 fold return. It went further to implore the reader not to mind the fact that their G.O.'s have d luxuries of life while sowing into thier lives.
   
My points of disagreement with the above:
1. I'm yet to see anywhere in d bible that says pastors are priests and general overseers are high priests, instead d scripture says ;ye (children of God) are a holy nation, a royal priesthood'. And we have just 1 high priest- Jesus Christ (cant get d relevant scriptures now but am sure u're familiar with them.)

2. Please where in d scripture does it say if you sow into the live of pastors/'priests' you'll get a 60 fold return, and if you do same to general overseers/'high priest' you get 100 fold returns?

Pls somebody enlighten me on the above, or am I missing something here?

This sermon is all about greed and selfishness, it has nothing to do with love for neighbour. Daddy G O Adeboye has outdone the pharisees this time.

dorox:


This sermon is all about greed and selfishness, it has nothing to do with love for neighbour. Daddy G O Adeboye has outdone the pharisees this time.

The thing tire me oh! Even the Pharisees weren't this bad.

REALTRUTH1:

Since I do not have access to the said book,,,and for my one and only Nairaland Pastor to validate that point,,,,I am even more highly disappointed in RCCG,,,shameless bunch of bigots,,,I wish somebody can bring this to the notice of Pastor Tunde Bakare for him to get hold of that book and TEAR it into PIECES in the public glare of a National Television,,,,,Just like he did to the Occultic book written by Oyedepo

You mean, Tunde Bakare tear into pieces Oyedepo book?

That's good news.
The revolution has started in the church.

I said it, it is only the church that can solve their problems.

CHARLOE:
@ Real truth, been trying to download d e-book all to no avail, but not to worry, i decided to scan d relevant pages and post here-

Op, God will bless you for this post o.
You are saving so many ignorant Nigerians

CHARLOE:
By d posts am seeing here its obvious pple are begining to shine their eye well-well! I for one used to respect 'daddy' alot, that's until of recent. He looks so calm and gentle, talks softly and dresses simple; u just can't help but respect him (there're many others like him around, no need mentioning names). I started having doubts when i heard him say some strange, unlikely 'miracles'. Deep down my heart i found them hard to believe (am sure u've heard some urself).
Needless to say, Nigerians fear their pastors like God, pastors should be respected not feared, FEAR GOD ONLY! It has gotten to d extent they don't want to hear anything -ve bout their pastors, even when they're true. On d day of d morning devotion i mentioned earlier, when i pointed this error out, a hot argument ensued with my siblings. Pst adeboye is so feared/respected in my family nobody wanted to hear me out, to them he can do no wrong. Unfortunately, alot of xtians are like that, their papa/G.O. is superhuman and can do no wrong, always quick in comparing them to old testament prophets of old- Elija, Elisha and so on. So anything he says, true & false, is swallowed hook, line & sinker by their gullible and pathetic followers, like zombies.
I want to encourage us to 'prove all things' like d bible says, fear no man but God, 'By their fruits u shall know them'. Let's maximise d power of d internet and expose these WOLVES IN SHEEP CLOTHING. I believe we can start an online revolution against these men of god 'dog' and the corrupt, evil rulers/politicians working against d progress of this nation. (funny enough, these 2 classes of pple (religous leaders n politicians) work hand-in-hand TO IMPOVERISH NIGERIANS). Their relationship is mutually beneficial, if u know what i mean. Right now, i'm just so filled with 'righteous indignation'!

In 2012, I detected a certain error in that same open heaven devotion book, i was in 300 level then in the university. My elder brother stood up and slapped me to the point that my head spinned for saying there was an error in what Daddy adeboye wrote.
"who are you, a small boy like you?
We were not even members of RCCG we were only using their open heaven booklet for our morning devotion.
My parents and everyone began to rebuke me, saying i will suffer,Quoting in the bible what happened to some people who countered Moses, that they had leprosy.

But today, that my elder brother has seen reasons with me. Perhaps, he must have gone through the book thoroughly after that encounter

petra1:



It's only as administrative illustration . That doesn't mean he's referring to them as our high priests . Look at the scripture below For example

Exodus 7:1
And the Lo rd said unto Moses, See, I have made thee a god to Pharaoh: and Aaron thy brother shall be thy prophet

Was Moses a god? Was Aaron a prophet no? But administrative Illlustration . It simply means Moses will speak through Aaron just as God speaks through a prophet

Admin illustration u say? Lol, so d tithe they collect in d name of priest n high priest is an illustrative or literal collection? Stop chasing shadows my friend, free urself from fear n bondage n begin to use ur God-given brain to think!

petra1:



It's only as administrative illustration . That doesn't mean he's referring to them as our high priests . Look at the scripture below For example

Exodus 7:1
And the Lord said unto Moses, See, I have made thee a god to Pharaoh: and Aaron thy brother shall be thy prophet

Was Moses a god? Was Aaron a prophet no? But administrative Illlustration . It simply means Moses will speak through Aaron just as God speaks through a prophet

Admin illustration u say? Lol, so d tithe they collect in d name of priest n high priest is an illustrative or literal collection? Stop chasing shadows my friend, free urself from fear n bondage n begin to use ur God-given brain to think!

CHARLOE:

Admin illustration u say? Lol, so d tithe they collect in d name of priest n high priest is an illustrative or literal collection? Stop chasing shadows my friend, free urself from fear n bondage n begin to use ur God-given brain to think!

Abi oh! The way these sheeples cook up stories to defend their gods of men when their lies have been exposed is really nauseating. It proves they know deep within themselves that they know these con men are wrong but they just refuse to come to terms with reality.

CHARLOE:

Admin illustration u say? Lol, so d tithe they collect in d name of priest n high priest is an illustrative or literal collection? Stop chasing shadows my friend, free urself from fear n bondage n begin to use ur God-given brain to think!

You got it all wrong with Petra. You see, as an aspiring pastor it is his job to make use of his God given brain to think of ways to make people not to think.

I wish i was around in '010 to have read these. You guys are legends.

cc CHARLOE, Devonian et al

festwiz:
I wish was around in '010 to have read these. You guys are legends.

cc CHARLOE, Devonian et al

Legend kwa! Abeg o, I'm just like u, an enlightened soul, always willing to learn, without fear.

CHARLOE:

Admin illustration u say? Lol, so d tithe they collect in d name of priest n high priest is an illustrative or literal collection? Stop chasing shadows my friend, free urself from fear n bondage n begin to use ur God-given brain to think!

tithe is given to God. secondly it is biblical to give to men of God.

petra1:


tithe is given to God. secondly it is biblical to give to men of God.

Yes that's why your pastors need private jets to deliver the tithes to their god in the sky. Nansense

petra1:


tithe is given to God. secondly it is biblical to give to men of God.

Tithe is not given to God. The Bible said God gave it to the Levites:

“To the Levites I have given every tithe in Israel for an inheritance, in return for their service that they do, their service in the tent of meeting" (Numbers 18:21)

One of the services for which the Levites receive tithes is taking care of the temple. I believe you know that these involve tasks of cleaning. I have not heard of pastors sweeping the inside of the church building, yet they earnestly earn tithes.

BluntBoy:


Tithe is not given to God. The Bible said God gave it to the Levites:

Tithe and offering belongs to God .

Leviticus 27:30.
And all the tithe of the land, whether of the seed of the land, or of the fruit of the tree, is the Lord's: it is holy unto the Lord.

Malachi 3:8
Will a man rob God? Yet ye have robbed me.
But ye say, Wherein have we robbed thee?
In tithes and offerings.


The fact that the Levites and ministers get their welfare from tithes and offerings doesn't mean it is not given to God .

“To the Levites I have given every tithe in Israel for an inheritance, in return for their service that they do, their service in the tent of meeting" (Numbers 18:21)

That's just administration or distribution .

One of the services for which the Levites receive tithes is taking care of the temple. I believe you know that these involve tasks of cleaning. I have not heard of pastors sweeping the inside of the church building, yet they earnestly earn tithes.

Wrong . Levites represents community of workers in Gods house . Priests represents the ordained ministers . The people who come first in salary earning are the church workers . Gate men , cleaners and other officials . Pastors come last . Because most pastors don't even depend on the stipends from church except few full time pastors .

petra1:


Tithe and offering belongs to God .

Leviticus 27:30.
And all the tithe of the land, whether of the seed of the land, or of the fruit of the tree, is the Lord's: it is holy unto the Lord.

Malachi 3:8
Will a man rob God? Yet ye have robbed me.
But ye say, Wherein have we robbed thee?
In tithes and offerings.


The fact that the Levites and ministers get their welfare from tithes and offerings doesn't mean it is not given to God .



That's just administration or distribution .



Wrong . Levites represents community of workers in Gods house . Priests represents the ordained ministers . The people who come first in salary earning are the church workers . Gate men , cleaners and other officials . Pastors come last . Because most pastors don't even depend on the stipends from church except fee full time pastors .

So, your pastors are equivalent of the priests of old?

BluntBoy:


So, your pastors are equivalent of the priests of old?

Yes a type , good parallel


1 Corinthians 9:13-14
Do ye not know that they which minister about holy things live of the things of the temple? and they which wait at the altar are partakers with the altar? Even so hath the Lord ordained that they which preach the gospel should live of the gospel.

petra1:


Yes a type , good parallel


1 Corinthians 9:13-14
Do ye not know that they which minister about holy things live of the things of the temple? and they which wait at the altar are partakers with the altar? Even so hath the Lord ordained that they which preach the gospel should live of the gospel.

Sorry, no parallel. Everyone who has been reconciled with Christ shares in His eternal priesthood. So, a true believer in Christ is a priest and Christ is His High Priest.

Pastors are shepherds. Paul believed that they should make a living (not wealth) from the work of God that they did. What is "make a living". It means to have basic necessities:

But if we have food and clothing, we will be content with that. (1 Timothy 6:

It was one reason why tithes were food. Tithes was a food program instituted to cater for the Levites, and by extension the priest, and then the poor. Another reason was because man could not boast of being in direct production of food. He depended on God for rain and sun and a good harvest. If tithe was money, man would not appreciate God as much as he would if tithes were factors that he has limited mastery over.

Lastly, supposing pastors are priests, then they shouldn't be collecting tithes directly. The gateman (an equivalent of a Levite) should gather the tithes and take tenth of the tithes (one percent) to the storehouse for the use of the priests.

And the priest the son of Aaron shall be with the Levites, when the Levites take tithes: and the Levites shall bring up the tithe of the tithes to the house of our God, to the chambers, into the treasure house. (Nehemiah 10:38 )

Also, the priests had laws guiding their conducts. They had to maintain a HOLY appearance. One of the requirements of a HOLY appearance is stated in the Bible verse below:

"'Priests must not shave their heads or shave off the edges of their beards or cut their bodies. (Leviticus 21:5)

BluntBoy:


Sorry, no parallel. Everyone who has been reconciled with Christ shares in His eternal priesthood. So, a true believer in Christ is a priest and Christ is His High Priest

All The Jews were priests also. It's still a parallel

Pastors are shepherds. Paul believed that they should make a living (not wealth) from the work of God that they did

Good why then do you give wrong impression as though it's a crime for a minister to receive welfare .

What is "make a living". It means to have basic necessities:[b]But if we have food and clothing, we will be content with that. (1 Timothy 6:

That's a general Christian admonition

It was one reason why tithes were food. Tithes was a food program instituted to cater for the Levites, and by extension the priest, and then the poor. Another reason was because man could not boast of being in direct production of food. He depended on God for rain and sun and a good harvest. If tithe was money, man would not appreciate God as much as he would if tithes were factors that he has limited mastery over.

I've proven to you money was accepted as tithe . Secondly God used agric terminology for isreal because they were farmers by default . Even as at that it's not all agric produce that was accepted . Perishable things as tomatoes were not accepted , unclean animals were not accepted . Such were redeemed by cash . So invariably that knocks out the idea of strictly crops and animal agro tithes .It's a matter of choice . Does The fact that Cain and Abel gave agro produce as offering make offering strictly agro ? NO . Likewise tithes .If tithes were to be strictly agro Abraham and Jacob would have given agro only. Jacob said he would give tithes of all he's blessed with . And lastly tithes given to God is not for the poor . What is given to the poor was a different alms allocation .

Ask yourself this . If their was no money involved in cash . If it's only crops , how did priest get clothes ,shoes,plates,cups ,houses, bed, blankets, did the people give them ? Or they bought them ? Where did the money come from

Lastly, supposing pastors are priests, then they shouldn't be collecting tithes directly. The gateman (an equivalent of a Levite) should gather the tithes and take tenth of the tithes (one percent) to the storehouse for the use of the priests

Church money all goes to the local church account , from there a tithe of tithes is sent to headquarters. From the local church account . Gateman is paid and others staff are paid the pastor doesn't get paid except few case , other bills of the church are paid , rentals ,maintainaces and purchases . It's only Nairaland that tell lies against pastors . Church members will only laugh when they read some of the trash posted here because they know better that most of their pastors are volunteers who rather spend their money on the church . We don't give tithes according to the law. Remember it pre existed the law.

petra1:


All The Jews were priests also. It's still a parallel



Good why then do you give wrong impression as though it's a crime for a minister to receive welfare .



That's a general Christian admonition



I've proven to you money was accepted as tithe . Secondly God used agric terminology for isreal because they were farmers by default . Even as at that it's not all agric produce that was accepted . Perishable things as tomatoes were not accepted , unclean animals were not accepted . Such were redeemed by cash . So invariably that knocks out the idea of strictly crops and animal agro tithes .It's a matter of choice . Does The fact that Cain and Abel gave agro produce as offering make offering strictly agro ? NO . Likewise tithes .If tithes were to be strictly agro Abraham and Jacob would have given agro only. Jacob said he would give tithes of all he's blessed with . And lastly tithes given to God is not for the poor . What is given to the poor was a different alms allocation .

Ask yourself this . If their was no money involved in cash . If it's only crops , how did priest get clothes ,shoes,plates,cups ,houses, bed, blankets, did the people give them ? Or they bought them ? Where did the money come from



Church money all goes to the local church account , from there a tithe of tithes is sent to headquarters. From the local church account . Gateman is paid and others staff are paid the pastor doesn't get paid except few case , other bills of the church are paid , rentals ,maintainaces and purchases . It's only Nairaland that tell lies against pastors . Church members will only laugh when they read some of the trash posted here because they know better that most of their pastors are volunteers who rather spend their money on the church . We don't give tithes according to the law. Remember it pre existed the law.

Stop this glaring lie. Tithing is preached according to the law in most Nigerian churches and that is why it is preached as mandatory. The Abrahamic tithe and Jacobs conditional promise to tithe that you are appealing to were both voluntary. It is only the law tithe that was made mandatory and that is what you and other dishonest preachers preach.

petra1:


All The Jews were priests also. It's still a parallel



Good why then do you give wrong impression as though it's a crime for a minister to receive welfare .



That's a general Christian admonition



I've proven to you money was accepted as tithe . Secondly God used agric terminology for isreal because they were farmers by default . Even as at that it's not all agric produce that was accepted . Perishable things as tomatoes were not accepted , unclean animals were not accepted . Such were redeemed by cash . So invariably that knocks out the idea of strictly crops and animal agro tithes .It's a matter of choice . Does The fact that Cain and Abel gave agro produce as offering make offering strictly agro ? NO . Likewise tithes .If tithes were to be strictly agro Abraham and Jacob would have given agro only. Jacob said he would give tithes of all he's blessed with . And lastly tithes given to God is not for the poor . What is given to the poor was a different alms allocation .

Ask yourself this . If their was no money involved in cash . If it's only crops , how did priest get clothes ,shoes,plates,cups ,houses, bed, blankets, did the people give them ? Or they bought them ? Where did the money come from



Church money all goes to the local church account , from there a tithe of tithes is sent to headquarters. From the local church account . Gateman is paid and others staff are paid the pastor doesn't get paid except few case , other bills of the church are paid , rentals ,maintainaces and purchases . It's only Nairaland that tell lies against pastors . Church members will only laugh when they read some of the trash posted here because they know better that most of their pastors are volunteers who rather spend their money on the church . We don't give tithes according to the law. Remember it pre existed the law.

First of all, Jews were not all priests. God had the plan but they messed up by worshipping the golden calf and the Levites got the honor for staying on the side of God.

Second, money was used with a condition attached to it because God wanted tithes to be land-based. And moreover, the tithes which could be redeemed with money was not the ones to be given to the Levites. Moreover, the money was soon to be used to buy what the owner desired in his heart - which was again food.

Third, the priests had their clothing specially woven. It is hard to believe that you would think to use that as an excuse to justify paying money as tithes. There were even instructions on how they were to be made.

And please, stop lying about your sort of tithing existing before the law. We all know that Abraham's tithes were conditional and voluntary. I hope you know that voluntary and law do not go well together. It is either something is voluntary or obligatory (legal, law)

BluntBoy:

First of all, Jews were not all priests. God had the plan but they messed up by worshipping the golden calf and the Levites got the honor for staying on the side of God.

In that case Christians are not priests either. Are Christians Levites ?

Second, money was used with a condition attached to it because God wanted tithes to be land-based. And moreover, the tithes which could be redeemed with money was not the ones to be given to the Levites. Moreover, the money was soon to be used to buy what the owner desired in his heart - which was again food

I showed you from scriptures except you just want to keep going in circles . The 10% for feast is different from the tithes given to God .

Third, the priests had their clothing specially woven. It is hard to believe that you would think to use that as an excuse to justify paying money as tithes. There were even instructions on how they were to be made

So They made their houses ,beds also and their plates and spoons from potato . Because they were forbidden to touch money!

And please, stop lying about your sort of tithing existing before the law. We all know that Abraham's tithes were conditional and voluntary. )

Was it agro produce he gave .?

MrPristine:


Stop this glaring lie. Tithing is preached according to the law in most Nigerian churches and that is why it is preached as mandatory. The Abrahamic tithe and Jacobs conditional promise to tithe that you are appealing to were both voluntary. It is only the law tithe that was made mandatory and that is what you and other dishonest preachers preach.

If it voluntary why would God say you rob him

petra1:


If it voluntary why would God say you rob him

Now you contradict yourself, Malachi 3:10 that you are referring to here was talking about tithes under the law which you claim is not the type you are practising. As we all know Christians are not under the law and it's wrong for any preacher to try to subject Christians to the law as tithe preachers do.

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petra1:


In that case Christians are not priests either. Are Christians Levites ?



I showed you from scriptures except you just want to keep going in circles . The 10% for feast is different from the tithes given to God .




So They made their houses ,beds also and their plates and spoons from potato . Because they were forbidden to touch money!



Was it agro produce he gave .?

God's original plan was to make the Jews priests. They messed up and the Levites were gifted. God sent Jesus to actualize his original plan by dying so that we may be reconciled and to share in His priesthood. Jews were not all priests at the time of the Law but the death of Christ made them priests who believed in Him, whether they be Jews or Gentiles.

Second, the priest lived within the temple. The Levites were first a tribe so they had their own city. Do you think they had no properties before God chose them?

If beds and plates are your own excuse for believing that priests received money, then, I can only shake my head because you have rendered me absolutely speechless. I don't suppose you think that the priests bought the snuffles and bowls by themselves.

I want you to shoot yourself in the foot by answering if what Abraham tithed was agro produce. So, don't be angry that I will be answering your question with a question: "Did Abraham tithe agro produce