Okay.....

Daeylar:


Don't worry I got it now.


They've still not answered me on why their God would create homosexuals (since he doesn't like them and he is the creator of everything) who he knows (since he is ominieverything and can see the future) would struggle through life and would eventually end up in hell.

Seems like god is just using us for his pleasure. Like a sick twisted game

God did not create a robot, that is why you have a mind.

I don't know what happened, I couldn't comment on my own thread but could on others.

A lot I wanted to say but was tired of retyping.

Daeylar:
I take it back, this article is bs

What is wrong and what is right?

Just because you don't agree with homosexuality does not make it wrong,
Just because my mum has her views on sexuality and marriage does not make my views wrong though it may be different.


As far as I'm concerned anything that doesn't directly or indirectly affect another person negatively isn't wrong

We need to stop this attitude of trying to control other human beings like us under the disguise of what's right and what's wrong.

It's good that Atheism and homosexuality which were previously unthinkable is now being accepted

It shows that we are growing and can now think for ourselves and can question what is actually right or wrong, and decided what's wrong based on how it actually affects others not because some people don't like it.

This article isn't saving anyone from social deception, it's deception itself,

You sure you aren't also guilty of the bolded?

hopefulLandlord:


I mean those are the stages used for "good" things too, OP just used examples of things he doesn't like but let's switch the example to something else, like slavery or (to avoid arguments) Killing of twins; I visit a society where they kill twins and see it as good and I want them to stop it......

The SHOCKER- I tell them "It is totally wrong to kill twins! They're humans like us!!"

The OUTRAGE stage - HopefulLandlord would be demonized and abused by the bewildered public for going against what their "Oracle" laid out for them as instructions on what to do with twins

The DISCUSSION stage - People start slamming non killing of twins and giving their good (albeit weak) arguments for killing twins while having most (read:all) their points debunked by me, I would always visit the shrines where these children are killed to argue and encourage people to do the same, This is the stage at which science kicks in to ‘prove’ that Twins are just like everyone else

The TOLERANCE stage - people will start saying “I am not going to let any twin grow up in my own family but if anyone else chooses to do the opposite, shauri yake (that’s his problem). Others will say: “Who cares what people do with their own life?”

The ACCEPTANCE stage - This is the part where letting twins live like everyone else becomes an alternative way of life, I've gathered enough following and we've coined the term "TWINOPHOBIA" to describe those that are still following the Oracle's instructions on killing of twins; I try to get lawmakers into making a law against killing of twins without the consent of their parents

The VENERATION stage - This is the stage at which the people who do not practice killing of twins are praised. The liberalist media (which includes almost all international channels) subtly promotes them as ‘cool’, intelligent, exposed. That’s the stage at which celebrities ‘come out’ to reveal that they are ‘proud not to be killing twins’.

Good one there.

But the intensity at which it is forced on the public is vast compared to the 'good'.

Tozara:
Replace homosexuality/bestiality with FEMINISM or some other human rights movement and the house of cards comes collapsing in on itself!

There's no RIGHT or WRONG in NATURE. So, that being the case, how do we determine what is right and what is wrong? By consulting the "word of God", or deciding among ourselves using criteria that favour EVERYONE?

Which shall it be?

Why do atheists keep saying there's no right or wrong? OK, what about generally speaking?

Putting our Godly views aside, are you insinuating nothing is either right or wrong? Absolutely nothing?

Please I need more explanation on it.

bennyann:


Good one there.

But the intensity at which it is forced on the public is vast compared to the 'good'.

agreed, the game itself isn't bad, its what the game is used for that either makes it bad or good like the popular saying "Guns don't kill people, people kill people"

bennyann

Social deception is real. They have through advertisements convinced the world that sugared water drink like coke is good for the body.

hopefulLandlord:


agreed, the game itself isn't bad, its what the game is used for that either makes it bad or good like the popular saying "Guns don't kill people, people kill people"

Ok. I get it. Christians still need to be very careful then so we don't take everything as the norm.

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Bro hope, can you help me with some lists of things that can be said to be good or bad to atheists?

I met one who is an atheist but he doesn't want to get close because I have my own definition of good and bad. And I've seen similar comments here from your people.

The definition I gave for good was, anything that pleases Christ is what I want to always do and I don't want to go against it. I sensed he gave up on me at that instant.

So can you give me an idea of what's good and bad to you? Any other atheists can help. I don't know if I should create another thread for it.

Saverin:
bennyann

Social deception is real. They have through advertisements convinced the world that sugared water drink like coke is good for the body.

True

So it becomes Deception when it is dangerous to humans.

That takes us back to what's good and bad? What's right and wrong?

bennyann:


Ok. I get it. Christians still need to be very careful then so we don't take everything as the norm.

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Bro hope, can you help me with some lists of things that can be said to be good or bad to atheists?

I met one who is an atheist but he doesn't want to get close because I have my own definition of good and bad. And I've seen similar comments here from your people.

The definition I gave for good was, anything that pleases Christ is what I want to always do and I don't want to go against it. I sensed he gave up on me at that instant.

So can you give me an idea of what's good and bad to you? Any other atheists can help. I don't know if I should create another thread for it.

this would be rushed so I won't be as well constructed but I hope you're charitable with it for my sake

atheism has nothing to do with morals

most atheists and all atheists I know actually assert that good and bad are human constructs and so are subjective just like beauty
theists disagree with this, they say that good and bad are codes handed down by whoever created the universe which happens to be the god of their religion (whichever one they belong to)

so while a Christian (theist) thinks gay marriage is wrong because the god of their religion said so, the atheist might think its also wrong for their own personal reasons

the kicker here is that the theist starts with the assumption that his god's existence is a forgone conclusion and follows it up that his god determines good and bad, an atheist disagrees that this god exists and then asserts that since good and bad is determined by that being which doesn't exist, then good and bad doesn't exist at all

bennyann:


True

So it becomes Deception when it is dangerous to humans.

That takes us back to what's good and bad? What's right and wrong?

What is right is what we (majority) have accepted to be right. what is wrong is the same definition.

For example, it is wrong to marry four wives in Eastern part of Nigeria while it is acceptable in the North.

Do you get?

bennyann:


Why do atheists keep saying there's no right or wrong? OK, what about generally speaking?

Putting our Godly views aside, are you insinuating nothing is either right or wrong? Absolutely nothing?

Please I need more explanation on it.

There's no right or wrong in nature. HUMANITY INVENTED MORALITY. There are no objective, immutable moral facts.

Many things that were "right" centuries ago are now WRONG, the same way things that were "wrong" centuries ago are now RIGHT. So, what is right, and what is wrong? Who decides? "God", or MAN? Even your God does not subscribe to any form of objective morality. Your Holy Book has an Old Testament and a New Testament. And now, modern Christians seem to have created an unofficial "Modern Testament".

So, what in my view is right and what is wrong? I believe NOTHING is wrong unless it causes harm to others or poses a threat to the existence or collective well-being of the HUMAN RACE.

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Tozara

There's no right or wrong in nature. HUMANITY INVENTED MORALITY. There are no objective, immutable moral facts.

Many things that were "right" centuries ago are now WRONG, the same way things that were "wrong" centuries ago are now RIGHT. So, what is right, and what is wrong? Who decides? "God", or MAN? Even your God does not subscribe to any form of objective morality. Your Holy Book has an Old Testament and a New Testament. And now, modern Christians seem to have created an unofficial "Modern Testament".

So, what in my view is right and what is wrong? I believe NOTHING is wrong unless it causes harm to others or poses a threat to the existence or collective well-being of the HUMAN RACE.

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Tozara

Joey, is that you?

Saverin:


What is right is what we (majority) have accepted to be right. what is wrong is the same definition.

For example, it is wrong to marry four wives in Eastern part of Nigeria while it is acceptable in the North.

Do you get?

Majority? Isn't that a dangerous mindset?

bennyann:

Joey, is that you?

NOT!...... surprised. I knew you would figure that out. I was expecting it.
It's me.

hopefulLandlord:


this would be rushed so I won't be as well constructed but I hope you're charitable with it for my sake

atheism has nothing to do with morals

most atheists and all atheists I know actually assert that good and bad are human constructs and so are subjective just like beauty
theists disagree with this, they say that good and bad are codes handed down by whoever created the universe which happens to be the god of their religion (whichever one they belong to)

so while a Christian (theist) thinks gay marriage is wrong because the god of their religion said so, the atheist might think its also wrong for their own personal reasons

the kicker here is that the theist starts with the assumption that his god's existence is a forgone conclusion and follows it up that his god determines good and bad, an atheist disagrees that this god exists and then asserts that since good and bad is determined by that being which doesn't exist, then good and bad doesn't exist at all

Hmmmm.

After all said, I think since the God the Christians believe in doesn't take bad for good and good for bad, in other words, what he takes to be good is beneficial to the human race and what he termed to be bad is harmful to the human race, it is good to stick to His good.

I know you wouldn't feel so but don't you feel so to à greater extent ?

Tozara:


NOT!...... surprised. I knew you would figure that out. I was expecting it.

It's me.

May God keep us alive till I'm ready to search for you. I will search for you and I can't wait for that time to come.

You don't need to reply OK..

Love you

bennyann:


Majority? Isn't that a dangerous mindset?

It is. That's why the world is a dangerous place

bennyann:




May God keep us alive till I'm ready to search for you. I will search for you and I can't wait for that time to come.

You don't need to reply OK..

Love you

Amen.

I know you've been good.

I just had to reply, you know.

Love you too.

Saverin:


It is. That's why the world is a dangerous place

Hmmm