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|Re: Why History Says Jerusalem Belongs To The Jews by exclusivejayce(m): 7:39pm On Dec 31, 2017|
danvon:I dnt really knw d passage but have u come across "pray for Isreal(Jerusalam) and it inhabitants, and it shall be well with you" I cant get the quote properly but it sum how relate to dat. Moreover as u a Christain?
|Re: Why History Says Jerusalem Belongs To The Jews by exclusivejayce(m): 7:43pm On Dec 31, 2017|
abdelrahman:... and ur Allah created jinns to worship him, promises 6 virgins, a river of wine, arabian supremacy and holy prostitution. Grab a copy of 'Who Is This Allah?' and be exposed to raw truth. Islam is a joke.
|Re: Why History Says Jerusalem Belongs To The Jews by abdelrahman: 7:46pm On Dec 31, 2017|
exclusivejayce:have you lick the ass of your jew master? 3 in 1 god is not a joke?
|Re: Why History Says Jerusalem Belongs To The Jews by exclusivejayce(m): 7:52pm On Dec 31, 2017|
abdelrahman:Jew masters? Eyah those pple in ur village hav really eaten deep into ur brain. Accept Jesus today... He truely loves u and can get ur lost sense back.
|Re: Why History Says Jerusalem Belongs To The Jews by exclusivejayce(m): 8:05pm On Dec 31, 2017|
Ewo! The Arabs have sucessfully undertaken a lifetime investment, Islam. Y'all claim Islam is peace, yet jihad is the reason behind the world's unrest. The arabs are super intelligent, making u guys believe their joke. Jesus is still knocking though, the boy that creates a life bird from mud can bring life into u.
|Re: Why History Says Jerusalem Belongs To The Jews by ArewaFanatic(m): 8:13pm On Dec 31, 2017|
I have often struggled to contain my surprise whenever 'anti-saracenism' apologists quote the Quran and Hadith to justify the theft of Jerusalem as well as the ongoing apartheid in Palestine and Israel. While watching a discussion on Jerusalem aired by RT (Russia Today) a few days ago, I had to question my dad if he could think of any reasons (other than theological) which justify the horror and injustice being meted out on Palestinians. As expected, none came to his mind. Theology which was meant to guide humans and make them ambassadors of justice is now being used the wrong way.
In my own view, there should be little space for all of these nonsense in the debate. Historically, before the Jews and Arabs came onto the scene, Jerusalem was peopled by Cananite tribes. Through ethnic cleansing (in the eleventh century BC) however, Jews took control of it and maintained it for a millennium before losing it to Romans finally in 70AD (they lost it temporarily several times before this). Arabs only came there in the seventh century after seizing it from the Romans.
Given the history of how nations are born, it is rather inane to even suggest that Jews have a right to Jerusalem (except maybe the religious right to their temple). As one activist explained, the argument of the Zionists that it was the land of their forefathers and therefore their own is nonsensical. Following such a line of reasoning, Turks could fight for a new Turkey to be carved out of China and Probably Japan. The mongols of Iran as well could annex the regions of China they originate from and rename it Mongolia (as it was known before). No human being with a grain of sanity will of course support this. It would be condemned by all. The creation of Israel should be judged that way as well. It was no surprise Professor Shlomo Ben Ami (a former Israeli ambassador) called it 'a nation born in sin'.
There is today a good number of Jews who have thrown themselves into the struggle for Palestinian rights. Prominent among them are Amira Hass, Miko Peled, Professor Avi Shlaim and Rachel Shabi.
Admittedly, Palestinians have made several mistakes in their relations with Jews. It will be evil however to deny them their just due. East Jerusalem (which is all they demand for now) is theirs and should be given to them. Theology and whatever else can follow that. #Free Palestine.
NB: The descendants of the Cananites who lived there before Jews and Arabs are still very much around. The chief negotiator for the Palestinian Authority Dr Saab Erekat is one of them.
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|Re: Why History Says Jerusalem Belongs To The Jews by abdelrahman: 8:20pm On Dec 31, 2017|
exclusivejayce:jesus navas or gabriel jesus?
|Re: Why History Says Jerusalem Belongs To The Jews by danvon(m): 8:31pm On Dec 31, 2017|
exclusivejayce:That verse didn't say fight to defend them Israel was destroyed few pages later
"Pray for the peace of Jerusalem: they shall prosper that love thee."
|Re: Why History Says Jerusalem Belongs To The Jews by ArewaFanatic(m): 8:32pm On Dec 31, 2017|
Op, your claim that there is no evidence for the night journey of our prophet (SAW) to Jerusalem got me laughing. I could not believe my eyes for a moment.
No scholar worth his salt will even begin to seek evidence for a SINGLE NIGHT JOURNEY by ONE MAN. It will be a complete absurd endeavor. Such belief are taken on faith alone.
NB: A majority of Scholars of history dismiss the Exodus as 'one of the many fictions of Abrahamic faiths'. There is no evidence for it at all in Egyptian writing or any other near eastern one. The belief that it happened is taken on faith alone.
|Re: Why History Says Jerusalem Belongs To The Jews by MrPresident1: 8:37pm On Dec 31, 2017|
The Israelis are not the Israelites of the Bible, they are the gentiles that have trodden the blessed land until the time of the gentiles is completed.
The UN General Assembly's emergency sitting of 21st December 2017, where 128 nations voted No to Trump's declaration of Jerusalem as the capital of the state of Israel is the proclamation of Peace and Safety as written in the Bible which we are told is what will bring in sudden destruction or rather THE DAY OF JUDGMENT, and the APOCALYPSE, or revelation of Christ.
The Apocalypse of Christ is upon us.
|Re: Why History Says Jerusalem Belongs To The Jews by supereagle(m): 8:39pm On Dec 31, 2017|
He was not a bastard ,but the son of a bond woman according to the Bible. Both of them buried Abraham.
|Re: Why History Says Jerusalem Belongs To The Jews by mujahid1339(m): 8:46pm On Dec 31, 2017|
exclusivejayce:Lol...the book is a joke
|Re: Why History Says Jerusalem Belongs To The Jews by ArewaFanatic(m): 9:00pm On Dec 31, 2017|
Your interesting twist of facts is quite funny and very sadly shallow. Given the length of your post however, I will not waste my time refuting any of it. It will be better if you can read a real Muslim view of what happened. The article below might be of help:
|Re: Why History Says Jerusalem Belongs To The Jews by Origin(f): 9:31pm On Dec 31, 2017|
I wonder why people cannot write a truthful or unbiased article
Its on record the Muslims conquered Jerusalem from the Christians ( a treaty was signed by Umar and the Christian head safeguarding Christian property and lives).
Umar chose a neglected land to build the al aqsa mosque (the same spot that had been shown to the prophet Muhammad on his night journey) . later people discovered it contained the foundation stone.
When the prophet had the night journey: where he claimed to have been taken to Jerusalem (a journey of many months in that period) and heaven by angel jubril.
People showed disbelieve (of course I would too) but he described in detail a city he had never visited before. This was in the years when he was not even allowed to leave Mecca.
|Re: Why History Says Jerusalem Belongs To The Jews by Arielle: 10:27pm On Dec 31, 2017|
You sound like one of those pathetic rednecks.
|Re: Why History Says Jerusalem Belongs To The Jews by BeansAndBread(m): 10:46pm On Dec 31, 2017|
exclusivejayce:Jihad wasn't responsible for the 1st and 2nd world war, it wasn't responsible for Christians killing each other resulting to 8 million deaths, it wasn't responsible for the Nigerian civil war. I seriously don't know why Nigerian Christians are just miserable!
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|Re: Why History Says Jerusalem Belongs To The Jews by Meeksliver: 11:49pm On Dec 31, 2017|
German Muslim scholar replies on TERRORISM. I liked the answer of this German Muslim scholar when he was asked about terrorism and Islam. He said. "Who started the first world war? Not Muslims!! Who started the second world war? Not Muslims!! Who killed about 20 millions of Aborigines in Australia ? Not Muslims!! Who sent the nuclear bombs of Hiroshima and Nagasaki? Not Muslims!! Who killed more than 100 millions of Indians in North America? Not Muslims!! Who killed more than 50 million of Indians in south America? Not Muslims!! Who took about 180 millions of African people as slaves and 88% of them died and were thrown overboard into Atlantic ocean? Not Muslims!! No, NOT Muslims!! First of all, You will have to define terrorism properly. If a non-Muslim does something bad. It is crime. But if a Muslim commits the same. He is a Terrorist. So first remove this double standards. Then come to the point. I am proud to be a MUSLIM !! ARE YOU?? SPREAD THIS Message & don't BREAK THE CHAIN!! IF YOU ARE PROUD TO BE ONE. BUT WE WILL ALWAYS BE A PROUD MUSLIMS MAY ALLAH PROTECT US..... Good morning my Brother's and Sisters.
|Re: Why History Says Jerusalem Belongs To The Jews by Solorrman(m): 11:57pm On Dec 31, 2017|
danvon:okey when was the time that jesus was rejected by muslims ? are u the one that lead the muslims to reject jesus or u are just talking from ur anus ?
|Re: Why History Says Jerusalem Belongs To The Jews by bahaushe1: 12:32am On Jan 01|
No doubt Jerusalem is the third holiest city on earth and so shall it be till the end of time. The current controversies over the status of the city will not change anything.
Mr Trump and his advisers failed to realise the connection to the city of the world three major religions. There must a reason why 128 UN member nations voted against Trump's decision aside from religion.
Religiously, many of us fail to fully understand the history of the city and its connection to a number of religions. Judaism, Christianity, and Islam were meant to be one continuous religion from a single divine source. Somehow things happened along the line and we ended up with three different religions opposed to each other in fundemental ideology.
Islam recognizes the intimate connection between Jerusalem and Prophets of the Jews but the religious significance of the city isnt racial but the acts of piety and worship of the Allaah. All the three holy cities on earth have historical connection to noble Prophets and Messengers of Allaah.
Makkah and the Holy Ka'aba
Makkah is the holiest city on earth and it host the holiest place on earth - the Ka'aba. Many believe that the place where Ka'aba stands today is the point where Allaah was first worshipped on earth (by the Prophet of Allaah Adam, alayhis salam). Ka'aba was built by Prophets of Allaah Abraham and his son Ishmael. And Allaah accepted the work by these noble servants, blessed it, blessed the city that surrounds it, and blessed its people, food and water.
Madina and the Prophet mosque
Madina is the second holiest city on earth. It host Prophet Muhammad's (pbuh) mosque, his final resting place, and the final resting place of many of his companions.
Jerusalem and the Al-Aqasa mosque
Jerusalem is a city of noble Prophets of Allaah. A city of monotheism. A city of piety. A city revelation. A city of worship. It hosted numerous Prophets of Allaah sent to the Children of Israel. Al-aqasa mosque is believed to have been built by the noble Prophet and servant of Allaah Jacob (pbuh) and was later used by other Prophets like Solomon (pbuh). Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) led all the Prophets of Allaah in prayer during his night journey and was the direction Muslims faced during prayer for the first few months after prayer was prescribed. Allaah blessed the mosque and the city to honour His pious servants who established His worship in the city.
From the foregoing one can easily see that holiness of a city doesnt come as a result of the people who settled there first or because of the ethnicity of its inhabitants. Rather holiness is because of people's devotion to Allaah and the rightful heirs to such cities should people who follow the footsteps of the Prophets whose steadfastness in the worship of Allaah was accepted and honoured by Him.
Historically there were people (Canaanites) in Jerusalem before Moses (pbuh) was directed by Allaah to enter the city and fight its inhabitans with a promise of victory. There must be a reason why Allaah (who created th earth and to whom in belongs) directed His Prophet and Messenger to enter the city and fight its inhabitants.
These aside, the main issue today is Israel's aggression towards the non-jew inhabitants of the city. The resolution of the international community is that of a two state living side by side with the status of Jerusalem to be decided in a negotiation by both parties. But Israel backed by US want to take all.
|Re: Why History Says Jerusalem Belongs To The Jews by jeruzi(m): 1:20am On Jan 01|
danvon:At the end we will know who is deceiving himself.
|Re: Why History Says Jerusalem Belongs To The Jews by PrecisionFx(m): 1:50am On Jan 01|
(1). The people in Israel today aren't Hebrews or Israelites.
(2). They are Jews.
(3). Bible is a religious book.
(4). The UN does not recognize any religious holy book.
Do the math.
|Re: Why History Says Jerusalem Belongs To The Jews by kamsiyo9: 3:42am On Jan 01|
yes muslem or islam r to kill steal n distroy Turkey was once all Christians they attack them kill them steal thier land to metion but few but though thank God they r now killing each at syria Iraq Yemen Afghanistan n co they fought Israel in 1967 three nation Egypt,Syria,n Jodan they were defeated is jst 6days (i mean 6 Days) with the support from all Arab nationss they r only religion that will force u to join them marry an islam woman as Christian the wife will b stone to death it happen at Sudan thank God Pope with UN the woman life with the unborn child is safe but they will want to marry a christian woman by force in Bayelsa naija last year
|Re: Why History Says Jerusalem Belongs To The Jews by kamsiyo9: 3:48am On Jan 01|
bahaushe1:d last time i check my Bible told me that Solomon built the synagogue n there is Bible b4 so call koran n who told u that macca or what ever u call it is the holiest place on earth cos thats for muslems not Christians bros n not for Hindus or rhe entire world speak for islam not every one
|Re: Why History Says Jerusalem Belongs To The Jews by me69: 7:09am On Jan 01|
danvon:you are a ignorant. No jew will accept you as jew if your mother was not a jew. It's a family affair
|Re: Why History Says Jerusalem Belongs To The Jews by Olu317(m): 7:32am On Jan 01|
Hati13:Do you really think Abram descendants spoke Berber's language related language? My friend, Egyptian had a more detailed inscription about their past glory and both archeology and Bible mentioned the reign of pharaoh's existence in the Bible. How can you identify the Berber's language of ancient times, when Egyptians language was the dominant language? The Egyptians, somewhere along the line enslaved Israelis. And this was how their story begun in a dynamically way. Despite the fact that Abram was called out of his ancestors house whose ancestors migrated to the different part within the Mesopotamia area around 10BC before settling down. The point here is that, if you as a man moved out of your original land and migrated to a new place, then it is certain, your third generation will likely loose your original mother tongue to the new environment they now occupy . This is a simple logic without. As far as I have see and done research on this subject matter, everything about Israel point to them as developing a language through Egyptian's. If you think, the Egyptians is absolutely different from Israelis or don't have any connection,then let me ask you some questions: what language did Moses spoke with pharaoh?,What language did Joseph spoke in Egypt? What language did Abram spoke in Egypt? What language did Jacob spoke with his in-law Laban that he served for many years?
|Re: Why History Says Jerusalem Belongs To The Jews by Olu317(m): 7:54am On Jan 01|
waveman2:Yeah it is.And many of us seem not to understand that, the ancient Israelis (Canaanites) first owned that land because their ancestor known as Abram was the one God gave that land. This can be found in the account of the interaction between Lot and Abram inside the Holy Bible . The Bible specifically mentioned it. Today, the Israelis is the most developed agriculturally in the Middle East and with advanced technology on a deserted land. The Arabs in that area had oil yet depends on the West for a lot of things, ranging from cars, weapons, food etc. Shouldn't that be a good example to those against the Israelis? Although at times, the Israelis go on offensive that need them to be cautioned. This doesn't change the fact that Abram owns that land and rightfully belong to his Sarah's descendants, despite the fact that his Egyptians maid's son known as Ishmael descendants can stay there if they become peaceful with their half brothers. Funny enough, Ishmael was a peaceful man when he lived on Earth. But the curse on Ismael descendants is what makes them wild and prone to uncontrollable anger. Then on the issue of Donald Trump, If you think spiritually, perhaps he was positioned for a lot of purpose and he will fulfill the purpose he became the President of United States of America . And truthfully Jerusalem belong to Israel.
|Re: Why History Says Jerusalem Belongs To The Jews by Olu317(m): 8:12am On Jan 01|
Chukazu:You are quite funny with these info you posted. Like I had mentioned earlier, the Palestinians were offshoot of the people I mentioned. Palestine isn't a tribe ,is it? If you know about Middle Eastern turbulence during different reigns of tribes that migrated to Middle Eastern location, you won't debunk my assertion. The last man that created a new order in the Middle East was Prophet Muhammad. And Islamic religion took root from thence. So you didn't know Israelis were already slaves in waned Assyrians cities, Babylonians cities, Egyptians cities, Greek cities before Roman came? Even King Herod wasn't a patrilineal Jewish descendants. Go and read more on the history of the people living in Jerusalem during the period of Jesus.
|Re: Why History Says Jerusalem Belongs To The Jews by Olu317(m): 8:19am On Jan 01|
jeruzi:Spoken by who? who was the first to be taken to Egypt as a sold slave ? Do you know the tribe of Laban? What language did Jacob spoke with Laban? There was no Hebrew tribe speaking any Hebrew language because the language became formed during Moses period. Moses was educated in the Egyptian writing and knowledge. If you have contrary evidence, post it.
|Re: Why History Says Jerusalem Belongs To The Jews by unitysheart(m): 8:38am On Jan 01|
Your comment is the most factual and reasonable.
|Re: Why History Says Jerusalem Belongs To The Jews by Chukazu: 8:44am On Jan 01|
Oga your plunder is claiming Jews where slaves an captive to the Romans. Jews were captives and slaves to other nations you mentioned , that means they were captured and taken to those places but the ROMAN EMPIRE didn't operate that way ...they had colony right within Jewish nation that's why you had , Pontius Pilate as a Roman rep,..was is not the Romans that crucified Christ ,so why your claim? Or did they crucify Christ in Rome?. Don't twist history
The cities of Gaza and Judea and Samaria(west bank) was Philistine cities but The people you called Palestinians today are mainly Jordanian and Lebanese descendants they have nothing to do with Philistines do prober research yourself...and if insist they were then it makes your argument even void because "Philistines " were mainly Invaders who had not inheritance in Jewish Land ...do your research not emotions
|Re: Why History Says Jerusalem Belongs To The Jews by Chukazu: 8:47am On Jan 01|
ButJacob came back from Lebanon house before going to Egypt during famine
|Re: Why History Says Jerusalem Belongs To The Jews by unitysheart(m): 8:57am On Jan 01|
Many of the commenters are so very ignorant. You pointed out the obvious.
There are Messianic Jews. They follow the Jewish tradition of observing passover, sabbath, etc. At the same time they accept that Jesus was the promised Messiah.
Yet, they are not Christians simply because they don't follow the Christians way of worship.
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