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Re: Atheism Is A Religion by ScienceWatch: 3:43pm On Jan 20, 2018 |
I simply love this conversation about the tree. It reveals the inner workings and psychology of the ATHEIST RELIGION. Atheism is a wonderful religion - they love fallen trees ! 1 Like |
Re: Atheism Is A Religion by budaatum: 3:44pm On Jan 20, 2018 |
hopefulLandlord:Frustratingly subjective of them! |
Re: Atheism Is A Religion by ScienceWatch: 3:45pm On Jan 20, 2018 |
hopefulLandlord:Ok then you were talking to yourself. Go ahead ! |
Re: Atheism Is A Religion by ScienceWatch: 3:47pm On Jan 20, 2018 |
[quote author=JacksonD7 post=64185408][/quote]Wow ! The hidden truth is out !!! 1 Like |
Re: Atheism Is A Religion by vaxx: 3:47pm On Jan 20, 2018 |
hopefulLandlord:lol panting because of what ? i am only taking enough time to explain better to you but since you already conclude you are right shekenah...... your questions are not tally bro..... you can ask your partner if am wrong... maybe when you accept your deficiency we may continue ...bye 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Atheism Is A Religion by hopefulLandlord: 3:48pm On Jan 20, 2018 |
budaatum: Its funny how this discourse has gone vaxx first tried hard to avoid the first question by bringing in "Purpose" and when I showed how it does not follow, he answered No! and when I asked the next question he also tried to strawman by changing the question trying to drag the discussion back to the same "purpose" this time using "Essence" 1 Like |
Re: Atheism Is A Religion by vaxx: 3:50pm On Jan 20, 2018 |
budaatum:You are much difficult for me to understand...tell me why? sometimes i need to read your response more than once |
Re: Atheism Is A Religion by ScienceWatch: 3:52pm On Jan 20, 2018 |
JacksonD7:Wow! The truth is coming out with aplomb !!! 1 Like |
Re: Atheism Is A Religion by butterflyl1on: 3:52pm On Jan 20, 2018 |
budaatum: You are clearly missing the point so let me narrow it down for you in a simple way. Can there be any objective evidence without a subjective presentation? Can objectivity exist on its own without a subjective interference or inclusion? Let me specifically focus on your tree analogy here. Can your objective tree that fell bear witness of itself without a subjective viewer? Can all subjective viewers offer same narration of how this objective tree fell if they were all viewing from different angles? IF THERE WAS NO SUBJECTIVE VIEWER IN EXISTENCE ANYWHERE IN THE WORLD WOULD OBJECTIVITY EXIST? Objectivity is a product of a subjective source. Take it or leave it. |
Re: Atheism Is A Religion by ScienceWatch: 3:57pm On Jan 20, 2018 |
vaxx:He has still not subjectively worked out what happened to that tree. His main question was, "Can someone be 6ft tall without a dick." |
Re: Atheism Is A Religion by vaxx: 4:01pm On Jan 20, 2018 |
ScienceWatch:check my post, i have raised more than three question for him......he left it unanswered ..... hopefullanlord is very good at dodging questions 5 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: Atheism Is A Religion by ScienceWatch: 4:01pm On Jan 20, 2018 |
JacksonD7:JacksonD7, I take my hat off to you in public Sir. I have shown your study on Atheism to many of my Atheist friends and they say you have found the Holy Grail of Atheism. They are impressed and afraid at the same time. 2 Likes |
Re: Atheism Is A Religion by ScienceWatch: 4:04pm On Jan 20, 2018 |
vaxx:By now you must know that Atheists are not good at answering questions. Atheists are very good at asking questions, because asking is easier. Just ask beggars and thief's? 2 Likes |
Re: Atheism Is A Religion by hopefulLandlord: 4:05pm On Jan 20, 2018 |
vaxx: what are those 3 questions I dodged? |
Re: Atheism Is A Religion by vaxx: 4:08pm On Jan 20, 2018 |
hopefulLandlord:the one i ask on the objectivity? the purpose and essence of peace and love without GOD |
Re: Atheism Is A Religion by hopefulLandlord: 4:10pm On Jan 20, 2018 |
vaxx: I ignored the second cuz it didn't in anyway relate to the discussion at hand as for the first, would you be so kind to ask again? and which one is the third? |
Re: Atheism Is A Religion by ScienceWatch: 4:10pm On Jan 20, 2018 |
butterflyl1on:Thank you for expanding Vaxx's wisdom on this issue so fluently Butterflyl1on. Considering the Bolded Red above, my narration would subjectively be that from where I was observing, there was no tree in the first place. Sorry !!! 1 Like |
Re: Atheism Is A Religion by ScienceWatch: 4:16pm On Jan 20, 2018 |
vaxx:I observed the psychology behind his ducking Sir. His religion does not permit him to examine the purpose and essence of peace and love without GOD. This is something all Atheists adhere to without conscience. Ask Butterflyl1on to help you get the answers from him. He is like a master interrogator. Over to Butterflyl1on - be gentle Sir ! 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Atheism Is A Religion by vaxx: 4:22pm On Jan 20, 2018 |
hopefulLandlord:The second question actually relate to it, i wouldn't have ask if it did not... the first question was base on the evidence of objectivity in which i reply that if you argue for objectivity you would have to have some point of view that is outside of the subject you are trying to perceive. Unfortunately for objectivity, we are all inside the universe. We can not know if we perceive things the same way anyone else does or do you know? for the third let me go through the thread.....ok i ask you to check with an open heart if your two question has any element of resemblance |
Re: Atheism Is A Religion by ScienceWatch: 4:28pm On Jan 20, 2018 |
budaatum:I beg your pardon Sir. You did say that Vaxx reminds you of a fallen tree. I decided to see if I could find objective evidence that supports your claim, that you had in fact, had that remembrance. Or could it be pure conjecture on your part. I beg you to clarify. While you command me to stop finding evidence of non-existing things I have the pleasure of informing you that it is exactly what Atheists are doing when they keep asking for evidence of a Non-existing God. |
Re: Atheism Is A Religion by butterflyl1on: 4:31pm On Jan 20, 2018 |
ScienceWatch: Exactly! And this would explain a lot. 1. It would explain why personal experiences when influencing our interpretation of scripture would often differ simply because it is being interpreted based on individual subjective experience. 2. It would also explain why atheism exists. They know the tree fell but simply because they did not see it based on their angle of view they declare it never even existed not to mention even falling. The obstinate ones go one step further to ask if a tree fell in the forest, who planted the forest and who brought the first tree growing seed that produced the forest etc. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Atheism Is A Religion by hopefulLandlord: 4:32pm On Jan 20, 2018 |
vaxx:it didn't Objectivity is something true or not regardless of someone's perception subjectivity can unearth objective truths BUT even when it hasn't it doesn't make the objective truth any less objective a tree (since we seem to be using it as example) that fell in the forest far away from the closest civilisation has fallen whether there's an observer there or not, objectively the tree fell but subjectively its undecided till one does go to the location of the said tree; objectivity isn't in anyway affected by subjectivity I still Haven't seen th third question 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Atheism Is A Religion by budaatum: 4:35pm On Jan 20, 2018 |
butterflyl1on:Okay. And I promise to be diligent. butterflyl1on:Yes. (The word "evidence" in itself implies subjectivity so I've striked it out. It's inclussion makes the question either meaningless, or strawmanlike). butterflyl1on:Yes. The Christian for instance would claim God exists whether a human being exists to confirm God's existence. The tree fell whether anyone saw it fall or not. There is sea in the ocean regardless of observers. butterflyl1on:It does not need to, and I cannot safely say that the tree did not, at its point of falling say in tree language "oh my timber, I am falling". My subjective knowledge does not extend so far. butterflyl1on:Probably not, since they were not there to observe it falling. If the falling tree were the beginning of the universe, one may point to the numerous subjective creation stories as a case in point. butterflyl1on:Let me rephrase, for this is the specific point in question: If there were no one to observe the falling of the tree, can the tree fall? The answer is yes. You yourself have agreed to this! butterflyl1on:If this were true, if a group of people, or even one person, subjectively accused me of fraudulently dealing in pigs food, it would not matter if I did or not. Their subjective no evidence based allegation [the source] would produce the objective truth, and I would be guilty as charged, whether I actually committed the crume or not! Basically, whatever subjective statements individuals make would be the objective truth! You will kindly accept that I chose to not think that way. Do you take to thinking that way yourself? |
Re: Atheism Is A Religion by ScienceWatch: 4:39pm On Jan 20, 2018 |
JacksonD7:Awesome truth revealed to the world. 2018 has arrived Wow. Yes, I have been to Atheist rallies, read Atheists books, I have read deceptive Theology books written by Atheists, I have scoured Atheist websites and understand their beliefs. Their mission for mankind is frightening to say the least. 1 Like |
Re: Atheism Is A Religion by butterflyl1on: 4:44pm On Jan 20, 2018 |
budaatum: Sigh you are still missing the point by miles and I wonder why. The declaration from vaxx which I expanded on is that objectivity first begins from subjectivity. In other words objectivity is the end product of a subjective source. This clearly means that the line of separation between objectivity and subjectivity is not needed since subjectivity ends with evidence (which is termed as objective). The evidence does not negate the subjective source but rather supports and proves it right. But for anyone who is objectively minded he needs to know that another persons subjective view cannot satisfy him until he looks for his objective stand but first beginning from a subjective position. I honestly do not know how to make this any simpler for you. If objectivity cannot exist on its own without a subjective inclusion then objectivity is redundant and a futile logic since its very foundation is clearly subjectivity. |
Re: Atheism Is A Religion by vaxx: 4:46pm On Jan 20, 2018 |
hopefulLandlord:re read my post again ok because of the inconvenience of going through the same cycle in argument, lets keep the second question on hold for now thank jah you yourself agree subjective can invalidate objective evidence.....if subjective evidence has not invalidate objective evidence,it does not in anyway confirm the truthfulness of that objective evidence ....objective evidence is not a fact..... how do you verified the truthfulness of objectivity ? objectivity is just a kind of mental convenience ,it is not necessarily mean it is true 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Atheism Is A Religion by budaatum: 4:46pm On Jan 20, 2018 |
vaxx:From this point henceforth, I, buda, promise to respect and regard you, vaxx. The topic, Subjectivity and Objectivity, is a very difficult concept to discuss I have found. There is the subjective and the objective in their objective right, and they are being discussed subjectively by each one of us subjects. You may see how anyone can get lost in just the words, not to talk of ones own subjectivity. Do note, this is our second time on this topic. Be patient. We will get it. In the meantime, and again, I, buda, promise to respect and regard you, vaxx. Be specific with your question and you will have my attention. |
Re: Atheism Is A Religion by hopefulLandlord: 4:48pm On Jan 20, 2018 |
vaxx: what? where did I say subjectivity can invalidate objectivity? can you quote where I said that? 1 Like |
Re: Atheism Is A Religion by ScienceWatch: 4:49pm On Jan 20, 2018 |
budaatum:Unfortunately, Vaxx and Butterflyl1on are correct again Sir. The fallen tree in question can not exist without the observer. The ocean can not exist without an observer. This truth has been observed in clinical studies. If you start from that premise, you will come up with exciting conclusions. Allow me to add this; When the scientific principle of relativity says that the observer is part of his observation, this means that the person who has experience of anything is part of his experience. We may carry this further and now say that it means that the thought is part of the thing thought of. If we dig deeper into this statement we will see that the mental factor is inseparable from every object known. And if we dig deeper we will find that the two are really one. All the best ! |
Re: Atheism Is A Religion by butterflyl1on: 4:53pm On Jan 20, 2018 |
vaxx: Very true. Let me further buttress your point here. How can anyone CONCOCT a story of a fallen tree if it never even fell? If there was no observer or hearer of this said tree that fell how did the objective declaration that a tree fell regardless of a viewer or listener begin? Just like you said, this objective position is self refuting and a baseless logic. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Atheism Is A Religion by vaxx: 4:54pm On Jan 20, 2018 |
hopefulLandlord:how will you translate this word of yours ''subjectivity can unearth objective truths'' hopefullanlord |
Re: Atheism Is A Religion by Humanistme: 5:02pm On Jan 20, 2018 |
vaxx: invalidate and unearth don't mean the same thing na haba! |
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