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How Can Man Be Sinless? by live4dgospel(m): 1:51pm On Jan 22, 2018
Is incremental sanctification brought up by theologians biblical? I mean can there be a time when a man can be without a speck of sin in the flesh? And some people created the Doctrine of Justification to comfort themselves. This doctrine claims that even though we have sin in our hearts, just because we believe in Jesus, God would regard us as righteous. This is also only a man-made doctrine. People have made and believed in such a doctrine to hide their sins, trying to live in the complacency of this doctrine. But because they are still revealed as sinners before the Law, their sins come to weigh down heavier and heavier on their minds. To be freed from all our sins, we have no other choice but believe in the gospel that contains God’s righteousness, and this is the gospel of the water and the Spirit we are preaching to the whole world now. This is the only way to be delivered from all our sins. Bible is always clear about everything so let us turn to Bible for help. We need to first all of understand the reason God gave the Law. The Law which was even further compounded by Christ when He came to this world, as we see in (Matthew 5:21-44). Why did Jesus compound the Law? Because He wanted to teach us how impossible it is for anyone to perfectly follow what is written in the Law. During the days of Jesus, scribes and Pharisees were known for their hypocritical piety, they would carry their Scriptures in the armpits, pray in the public places raising their hands and head up that people might see them as the righteous. As a result Jesus dedicated the whole Matthew chapter 23 in rebuking them. Is there anyone who can live without committing sins? No, not all! We will continue to commit sins till our last breath! We commit sins because we can't help our sinful flesh, for in sin we were conceived (Psalm 51:5)"Behold, I was brought forth in iniquity, And in sin my mother conceived me." this means we inherited sins from our forefather Adam. As it is written (Mark 7:20-21)"And He said, “What comes out of a man, that defiles a man. For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders, thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lewdness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness. All these evil things come from within and defile a man.”. All these 12 kinds of sin are found in everyone hearts, in the hearts of both old people and new born babies! So even if one doesn't commit a single sin by acts (if possible) he/she is still a sinner because he/she inherited these 12 kinds of sin from Adam. If that's the case, the questions that arise are: Why God give us the Law? And how can man be sinless? Just as it is written in (Matthew 5:48)"Therefore you shall be perfect, just as your Father in heaven is perfect." This is a wonderful promise! Don't you see it is a promise? Yes, indeed it is a promise and not a command! Jesus actually fulfilled this promised when He gave us the righteousness of God which is not possible through the Law. As it is written (Romans 8:2-4) "For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has made me free from the law of sin and death. For what the law could not do in that it was weak through the flesh, God did by sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, on account of sin: He condemned sin in the flesh, that the righteous requirement of the law might be fulfilled in us who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit.". Yes! The righteousness of God is completely unattainable through the law, is it not written here that for what the law could not do in that it was weak through the flesh, God did..."? The Law was brought by Moses, and from the time Moses brought the Law till today no one has been able to perfectly obey it not even Moses, the Law has only been killing people! As Paul testified here that he has been freed from "the law of sin and death". Yes! The law gives birth to sins and sin brings forth death. So the reason why God gave us the law is not for us to obey it in its entirety but for us through the law realise our sinful nature, the law is like a mirror pointing to us all our sins. As it written in (Romans 3:20) "Therefore by the deeds of the law no flesh will be justified in His sight, for by the law is the knowledge of sin." Yes! That's it! We come to know our sins when we look at the law as our mirror! Was it not written here clearly "for by the law is the knowledge of sin"? Paul also testified in another place "What shall we say then? Is the law sin? Certainly not! On the contrary, I would not have known sin except through the law. For I would not have known covetousness unless the law had said, “You shall not covet.”(Romans 7:7) So humans beings can never be righteous by the deeds of the law. But only through faith and faith alone! As it is written in (Galatians 2:21) "I do not set aside the grace of God; for if righteousness comes through the law, then Christ died in vain.” and in (Romans 3:21-22, 27-28) "But now the righteousness of God apart from the law is revealed, being witnessed by the Law and the Prophets, even the righteousness of God, through faith in Jesus Christ, to all and on all who believe. For there is no difference;"
"Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? Of works? No, but by the law of faith. Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith apart from the deeds of the law." Didn't Paul being inspired by the Holy Spirit said "By what law? Of works? No, but by the law of faith" Yes truly Paul said here the righteousness of God is not attainable by works but by faith.
You may ask what about what James talked about in (James 2:17) "Thus also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead." What Paul and James said are entirely different things! How? Paul's faith is about salvation from sins and James work is about our day-to-day Christian living after we are saved from sin by faith alone. Abraham's faith was accounted for righteousness before he did work. The righteousness of God is revealed in the gospel of the water and the Spirit alone. To read about these in details I beseech you to get this book "OUR LORD WHO BECOMES THE RIGHTEOUSNESS OF GOD (1)" for absolutely free, its just 2 megabytes in size. Click on the link below to download it instantly.
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Re: How Can Man Be Sinless? by orisa37: 3:04pm On Jan 22, 2018
Just don't be Selfish!!!
Re: How Can Man Be Sinless? by bloodofthelamb(m): 5:19pm On Jan 22, 2018
The Lord showed us what we have become through the law, in other to make us realise that we need a Saviour.

Like you have rightly said, the law is a mirror showing us who we are in Adam.

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Re: How Can Man Be Sinless? by live4dgospel(m): 3:39pm On Jan 23, 2018
orisa37:
Just don't be Selfish!!!
I just wish you are either cold or hot, so I can see how to deal with your case with the word. Do you believe or reject the word?
Re: How Can Man Be Sinless? by orisa37: 4:20pm On Jan 23, 2018
Yes I believe that It is from God and The Light of the World.
Re: How Can Man Be Sinless? by live4dgospel(m): 6:36pm On Jan 23, 2018
orisa37:
Yes I believe that It is from God and The Light of the World.
You said well, the Word came from God and the Light of the world. Do you also believe He is fundamentally the Almighty God? I want to share this book with you, click to get it (2MB)
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Re: How Can Man Be Sinless? by live4dgospel(m): 7:57am On Jan 24, 2018
bloodofthelamb:
The Lord showed us what we have become through the law, in other to make us realise that we need a Saviour.

Like you have rightly said, the law is a mirror showing us who we are in Adam.
Well said! So after the Saviour came what has happened to us? I mean what if someone commit sins of the flesh just before his death, what's the fate such a person? Hell or Heaven
Re: How Can Man Be Sinless? by bloodofthelamb(m): 1:16pm On Jan 24, 2018
live4dgospel:

Well said! So after the Saviour came what has happened to us? I mean what if someone commit sins of the flesh just before his death, what's the fate such a person? Hell or Heaven

If the said someone is a righteous man in Christ. Someone who has accepted the ever blazing righteousness of GOD and sins before his death is on his way to heaven.

Let me use myself as an example here... When i had the gospel of JESUS and responded positively to His works for me. God gave me a brand new nature that is righteous and always desires righteousness.

So now, if i mistakenly tell a lie or steal. My actions will not mean that i am now a sinner. I will be living a fake life which is opposite my nature in CHRIST. I am more than convinced that a new breed in JESUS cannot continue and derive pleasure in sin.

For, righteousness drives and leads him from within.

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Re: How Can Man Be Sinless? by live4dgospel(m): 2:01pm On Jan 24, 2018
bloodofthelamb:


If the said someone is a righteous man in Christ. Someone who has accepted the ever blazing righteousness of GOD and sins before his death is on his way to heaven.

Let me use myself as an example here... When i had the gospel of JESUS and responded positively to His works for me. God gave me a brand new nature that is righteous and always desires righteousness.

So now, if i mistakenly tell a lie or steal. My actions will not mean that i am now a sinner. I will be living a fake life which is opposite my nature in CHRIST. I am more than convinced that a new breed in JESUS cannot continue and derive pleasure in sin.

For, righteousness drives and leads him from within.
Consider what the Bible says here:
"Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, a nor sodomites, nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortio extortioners ners will inherit the kingdom of God. And such were some of you. But you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus and by the Spirit of our God."(1 Corinthians 6:9-11)

Now let me quote from you, you said if you lie or steal before death you will make heaven but this contradicts the word of God above, and from your words again "I am more than convinced that a new breed in JESUS cannot continue and derive pleasure in sin.

For, righteousness drives and leads him from within"

I found out there is actually fear in your heart because you are not bold, confident and convinced that you will make heaven if you die in sin because you have not yet believed in the righteousness of God. This simply implies you have not yet met the true gospel of Jesus Christ. The original gospel is the gospel of water and the Spirit. As Jesus told Nicodemus in (John 3:5) unless one is "born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God. So being born again of water and the Spirit is the only way to enter the kingdom of God and no other way. I will help you to really know the meaning of the original gospel of water and the Spirit, if only you will abandon your thought and follow the word of God. So here i shared to you a link to download the book on the gospel of water and the Spirit, the size of the book is just 2MB. Click to start the download, and make sure you read from cover to cover with your Bible beside.
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Re: How Can Man Be Sinless? by bloodofthelamb(m): 3:20pm On Jan 24, 2018
Did you not see in the same scripture you quoted- And such were(past tense) some of you but you were washed, sanctified and justified(declared not guilty) by the Spirit of our God and in the name of Jesus.

I have no atom of fear of making heaven, because i am already a citizen of heaven... I await my big Brother from there.

Thanks for the link, i already have the true gospel, which is-JESUS plus nothing.

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Re: How Can Man Be Sinless? by live4dgospel(m): 7:06pm On Jan 24, 2018
bloodofthelamb:
Did you not see in the same scripture you quoted- And such were(past tense) some of you but you were washed, sanctified and justified(declared not guilty) by the Spirit of our God and in the name of Jesus.

I have no atom of fear of making heaven, because i am already a citizen of heaven... I await my big Brother from there.

Thanks for the link, i already have the true gospel, which is-JESUS plus nothing.
I really don't know whether you understand the quotation well! Are you not the one that repeated the verse "And such were some of you"? And you said well that it was written in past tense(i.e they were doing such things before they received Christ) . I ask again, now that you think you are born again. Since you said in your previous post that even if you steal after being saved, you will still make heaven. But the portion i quoted to you above says that those who practise such things cannot make heaven. Do you understand my question now?
Re: How Can Man Be Sinless? by bloodofthelamb(m): 8:06pm On Jan 24, 2018
live4dgospel:

I really don't know whether you understand the quotation well! Are you not the one that repeated the verse "And such were some of you"? And you said well that it was written in past tense(i.e they were doing such things before they received Christ) . I ask again, now that you think you are born again. Since you said in your previous post that even if you steal after being saved, you will still make heaven. But the portion i quoted to you above says that those who practise such things cannot make heaven. Do you understand my question now?

A new breed in CHRIST cannot make sinning a practise... The keyword here is "practise."

According to Merriam-Webster Dictionary, Practise means: To do something regularly or constantly as an ordinary part of your life... A genuine christian will practise righteousness, but sometimes might give in to unrighteousness. This my friend, will not make him be condemned...

Note again the key word is PRACTISE.

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Re: How Can Man Be Sinless? by live4dgospel(m): 9:11pm On Jan 24, 2018
bloodofthelamb:


A new breed in CHRIST cannot make sinning a practise... The keyword here is "practise."

According to Merriam-Webster Dictionary, Practise means: To do something regularly or constantly as an ordinary part of your life... A genuine christian will practise righteousness, but sometimes might give in to unrighteousness. This my friend, will not make him be condemned...

Note again the key word is PRACTISE.
Let me further clear you on this, you talk what you don't know and you don't have faith in what you say. Now you're in love with the keyword "practise", something you don't even comprehend! If someone commits fornication everyday and some other person commits it once in 1 year, what's the difference in "regularity " in the sight of God? Hear me, humans commit sins every minute and every second, if not by act then in the hearts! As i said before you need to truly understand how to receive the righteousness of God. That's why i still beseech you to get the book and read with your Bible.
Re: How Can Man Be Sinless? by bloodofthelamb(m): 10:13pm On Jan 24, 2018
live4dgospel:

Let me further clear you on this, you talk what you don't know and you don't have faith in what you say. Now you're in love with the keyword "practise", something you don't even comprehend! If someone commits fornication everyday and some other person commits it once in 1 year, what's the difference in "regularity " in the sight of God? Hear me, humans commit sins every minute and every second, if not by act then in the hearts! As i said before you need to truly understand how to receive the righteousness of God. That's why i still beseech you to get the book and read with your Bible.
.

I have already received the righteousness of GOD through faith. 1John 3: 9 says- No one born(begotten) of God[deliberately,knowing, and habitually] practices sin, for GOD'S nature abides in him[His principle of, the divine sperm remains permanently within him]; and he cannot practise sinning.

Sin is no longer an issue for the believer... I done argueing with you bro.
peace!

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Re: How Can Man Be Sinless? by Nobody: 10:20pm On Jan 24, 2018
live4dgospel:

Let me further clear you on this, you talk what you don't know and you don't have faith in what you say. Now you're in love with the keyword "practise", something you don't even comprehend! If someone commits fornication everyday and some other person commits it once in 1 year, what's the difference in "regularity " in the sight of God? Hear me, humans commit sins every minute and every second, if not by act then in the hearts! As i said before you need to truly understand how to receive the righteousness of God. That's why i still beseech you to get the book and read with your Bible.
what is your point exactly? A man who is in Christ is a new creature not subject to condemnation.
Re: How Can Man Be Sinless? by ichuka(m): 11:41pm On Jan 24, 2018
Our flesh has being corrupt beyond repair.
The only prescription to it is death.
For man to be sinless his flesh must hang on a cross daily.

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Re: How Can Man Be Sinless? by live4dgospel(m): 12:14am On Jan 25, 2018
solite3:
what is your point exactly? A man who is in Christ is a new creature not subject to condemnation.
My point is simple: Righteousness of God is attainable only by faith apart from work. And he affirmed this initially, but added something that contradicted his first view by saying that those in Christ don't "practise" sin, and to him practising is doing something constantly. And Bible made it clear that thieves cannot even smell the aroma of the kingdom of God. But he said if he practises stealing he will still make heaven , how? (Please don't tell me if you steal once in a year you are not practising sin and someone that steals daily is practising it, it would mean you don't truly understand the Law of God). I mean I want you to be explicit, there is only one way to go. Is this righteousness of God only by faith and faith alone or faith with a condition attached to it(i.e don't practise sins)?

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Re: How Can Man Be Sinless? by Nobody: 12:37am On Jan 25, 2018
live4dgospel:

My point is simple: Righteousness of God is attainable only by faith apart from work. And he affirmed this initially, but added something that contradicted his first view by saying that those in Christ don't "practise" sin, and to him practising is doing something constantly. And Bible made it clear that thieves cannot even smell the aroma of the kingdom of God. But he said if he practises stealing he will still make heaven , how? (Please don't tell me if you steal once in a year you are not practising sin and someone that steals daily is practising it, it would mean you don't truly understand the Law of God). I mean I want you to be explicit, there is only ons way to go. Is this righteousness of God only by faith and faith alone or faith with a condition attached to it(i.e don't practise sins)?
you don't understand what he said, he didn't say a man is permitted to steal once in a while. When a believer steals for example, it is counter his new nature so therefore he will not continue in that. The righteousness and holiness of God reflects naturally through a believer.

Heaven is not what we make. It is is what Christ have made for those who trust in him.

You are wrong again, Righteousness is not what we attain, it is a free gift of God.
Re: How Can Man Be Sinless? by live4dgospel(m): 4:16am On Jan 25, 2018
solite3:
you don't understand what he is saying, he didn't say a man is permitted to steal once in a while. When a believer steals for example, it is counter his new nature so therefore he will not continue in that. The righteousness and holiness of God reflects naturally through a believer.

Heaven is not what we make. It is is what Christ have made for those who trust in him.

You are wrong again, Righteousness is not what we attain, it is a free gift of God.
Read with understanding, i said and i will repeat it righteousness of God is attainable by faith and faith alone apart from works. So why are you still talking about free gift of God, when i have already said "attainable by faith alone"
You have introduced another word "continue". Do you really understand the law well? Let me help you in this: there is a general impression of what people call repentance, to someone who was used to fornication repentance means forsaking fornication and to someone who was stealing repentance means different thing. Now since it is written in (James 2:10) "For whoever shall keep the whole law, and yet stumble in one point, he is guilty of all."

And (Gal.3:10) "For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse; for it is written, “Cursed is everyone who does not continue in all things which are written in the book of the law, to do them.”

So tell me what you mean by "continue in that", knowing that if you stop stealing but lust after women in the street or on TV, then from James 2:10, you are a thief!

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Re: How Can Man Be Sinless? by live4dgospel(m): 11:51am On Jan 25, 2018
ichuka:
Our flesh has being corrupt beyond repair.
The only prescription to it is death.
For man to be sinless his flesh must hang on a cross daily.
What do you understand by "hang on the cross"?
Re: How Can Man Be Sinless? by ichuka(m): 11:47pm On Jan 25, 2018
live4dgospel:

What do you understand by "hang on the cross"?
A dead man has no Will,Emotion,or Purpose.
To be hanged on a cross is even worse because you have no portion on these earth(6feet) which is even yours.
To be sinless we have to be nothing and Christ has to be everything.

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Re: How Can Man Be Sinless? by live4dgospel(m): 7:41am On Jan 26, 2018
ichuka:

A dead man has no Will,Emotion,or Purpose.
To be hanged on a cross is even worse because you have no portion on these earth(6feet) which is even yours.
To be sinless we have to be nothing and Christ has to be everything.
Happy are you if will know what Christ did to become everything to us.https://drive.google.com/uc?id=17wYgaNITSYbZMJ8zrf38T6Ft9iQ_YcCX&export=download

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Re: How Can Man Be Sinless? by Thegospelman(m): 6:16pm On Jan 27, 2018
live4dgospel:

Happy are you if will know what Christ did to become everything to us.https://drive.google.com/uc?id=17wYgaNITSYbZMJ8zrf38T6Ft9iQ_YcCX&export=download
Amen
Re: How Can Man Be Sinless? by ScienceWatch: 9:25pm On Jan 27, 2018
bloodofthelamb:


If the said someone is a righteous man in Christ. Someone who has accepted the ever blazing righteousness of GOD and sins before his death is on his way to heaven.

Let me use myself as an example here... When i had the gospel of JESUS and responded positively to His works for me. God gave me a brand new nature that is righteous and always desires righteousness.

So now, if i mistakenly tell a lie or steal. My actions will not mean that i am now a sinner. I will be living a fake life which is opposite my nature in CHRIST. I am more than convinced that a new breed in JESUS cannot continue and derive pleasure in sin.

For, righteousness drives and leads him from within.

No person, no matter how highly educated can understand the truth that you are writing here so clearly. You are talking deep spiritual things that can only be understood, by those initiated into the Holy Spirit of God through the Messiah Jesus Christ.

Be mindful Bloodofthelamb, DO NOT THROW YOUR PEARLS OF ABSOLUTE TRUTH TO THE SWINE, THEY WILL CRAP ALL OVER IT, THEN TURN AND REND YOU.
Be careful Sir, that is what they did to all the holy prophets of God. Evil hate what is good
Re: How Can Man Be Sinless? by live4dgospel(m): 11:39am On Jan 28, 2018
ScienceWatch:
No person, no matter how highly educated can understand the truth that you are writing here so clearly. You are talking deep spiritual things that can only be understood, by those initiated into the Holy Spirit of God through the Messiah Jesus Christ.

Be mindful Bloodofthelamb, DO NOT THROW YOUR PEARLS OF ABSOLUTE TRUTH TO THE SWINE, THEY WILL CRAP ALL OVER IT, THEN TURN AND REND YOU.
Be careful Sir, that is what they did to all the holy prophets of God. Evil hate what is good
What's your faith please?

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Re: How Can Man Be Sinless? by davesd: 2:05pm On Jan 28, 2018
pls I need Christian books (PDF) for my spiritual growth. If you have any, you can send through this email: saawuandavid@gmail.com. thanks for your concern in advance.
Re: How Can Man Be Sinless? by live4dgospel(m): 2:15pm On Jan 28, 2018
davesd:
pls I need Christian books (PDF) for my spiritual growth. If you have any, you can send through this email: saawuandavid@gmail.com. thanks for your concern in advance.
Okay. I have more books for you than you can expect. You can download them directly to your phone or PC. Each book is only about 2 megabytes in size. Click on the link below to get them
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Re: How Can Man Be Sinless? by Thegospelman(m): 5:55pm On Jan 31, 2018
live4dgospel:

Okay. I have more books for you than you can expect. You can download them directly to your phone or PC. Each book is only about 2 megabytes in size. Click on the link below to get them
https://drive.google.com/drive/mobile/folders/0B8wCbx7jt6ZJWE5TRDhiWWFhaUk
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Re: How Can Man Be Sinless? by bloodofthelamb(m): 9:12pm On Jan 31, 2018
solite3:
you don't understand what he said, he didn't say a man is permitted to steal once in a while. When a believer steals for example, it is counter his new nature so therefore he will not continue in that. The righteousness and holiness of God reflects naturally through a believer.

Heaven is not what we make. It is is what Christ have made for those who trust in him.

You are wrong again, Righteousness is not what we attain, it is a free gift of God.

Thank you solite for breaking it down for him. You truly understand me
Re: How Can Man Be Sinless? by live4dgospel(m): 9:36pm On Feb 02, 2018
bloodofthelamb:


Thank you solite for breaking it down for him. You truly understand me
What did he break down?
Re: How Can Man Be Sinless? by Nobody: 12:44pm On Feb 03, 2018
live4dgospel:

Read with understanding, i said and i will repeat it righteousness of God is attainable by faith and faith alone apart from works. So why are you still talking about free gift of God, when i have already said "attainable by faith alone"
You have introduced another word "continue". Do you really understand the law well? Let me help you in this: there is a general impression of what people call repentance, to someone who was used to fornication repentance means forsaking fornication and to someone who was stealing repentance means different thing. Now since it is written in (James 2:10) "For whoever shall keep the whole law, and yet stumble in one point, he is guilty of all."

And (Gal.3:10) "For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse; for it is written, “Cursed is everyone who does not continue in all things which are written in the book of the law, to do them.”

So tell me what you mean by "continue in that", knowing that if you stop stealing but lust after women in the street or on TV, then from James 2:10, you are a thief!
Righteousness is not what can be achieved, it is imputed to those who believes in Christ. As for committing sins, no man has the power to stop it. Any man who is born again cannot be living in sin. The verses you quoted are for those under the law not under grace.

Repentance only have one meaning and that is " having a change of heart".
Re: How Can Man Be Sinless? by Nobody: 12:49pm On Feb 03, 2018
davesd:
pls I need Christian books (PDF) for my spiritual growth. If you have any, you can send through this email: saawuandavid@gmail.com. thanks for your concern in advance.
If want to grow pick your bible first and study it, you can start from the book of John with prayers before you read any christian book because not every book teaches correctly the word of truth.

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