vaxx: you will never see the truth if you do not collapsed your ego.
Development is a literal terms, you should be careful when using it next time. if you are using economics terminology, then identify it. human index development(access to quality health care , basic infrastructure and social amenities) in the west is far better than that of Africa. this is true. and do you know why? it has nothing to do with our concentration on spirituality but failure to annex our cultural system in line with our political system, instead we depend on the ideology of the west(capitalism). No nations developed while relying on borrowed system. check china , Singapore, south Korea this nation were once colonized by the British and Japanese respectively....but these nation quickly realized following the former master ideology will not in any way yield profit. they draw the master plan of their economy in line with the cultural values and to day these once a colony state are at per of far better than their former master.
Africa in its early days was well organized, before the white set in. using the Yoruba society as an example, we give democracy and freedom to women in our society even before the west do. we lay a good foundation of political leadership before the west set in, everything collapsed when the west visit our prosperous land. Kenya economy is better than that of Korea in 1970 but today you will think the reverse is the case. we can only achieved progressed until we go back to our cultural values system. Europe understand it better. read this book online ... how Europe underdeveloped Africa
Nigeria spiritual system is politicized , what we practiced here is a borrowed ideology.... i repeat no nation can developed without annexing its cultural value.. WE are still under colony but is called neocolonialism
@bolded you know this and you went ahead to blame east Germany poorly advanced stage on atheism
@bolded you know this and you went ahead to blame east Germany poorly advanced stage on atheism
Atheism was forced on east Germany, it was not in their cultural system, their former leader do it to for their own interest. i am spiritual and at same time scientific. so what i see, you may not see. you have to get yourself educated on spirituality first before you doubt it. i reccomend
vaxx: Atheism was forced on east Germany, it was not in their cultural system, their former leader do it to for their own interest. i am spiritual and at same time scientific. so what i see, you may not see. you have to get yourself educated on spirituality first before you doubt it. i reccomend
To claim East Germany was not as advanced as West Germany because it was atheistic is rather disingenuous and I hope readers would do some research instead of accepting the bias that suits them.
East Germany's government was atheistic. There is nothing to say the people themselves were not religious however, though church attendance fell between the split of East and West and unification of the two.
During separation, East German had full employment and housing. However, its economic development was curtailed due to it being behind the Iron Bloc, thereby reducing the nations that did business with it. Cuba is in a similar position, with embargoes on trading with it meaning it can import to and export from a very few countries. Obama lifted the ban on Americans trading and travelling there, and Trump reimposed it.
East Germany in fact, suffered from the same parochiality that is holding Nigeria back. We share with the former East Germany being held back by rulers who impose ideology on its people by not informing them properly. East Germany had SocioLeninist-anti-capitalist ideology, while Nigeria has ChristoIslam holding it back, and the tide of western ideology that helped pulled down the Berlin Wall would also be what pulls down the wall that blinds Nigerians.
East Germanys lag is due purely to Communism. Not embargoes or anything of the sort.
Communism is an ineffective economic system when compared to Capitalism. This is a universal truth that stands clear as night and day - the more socialist a country, the poorer its economic growth/development.
Sweden is the perfect example, socialists love to highlight it as a "success story". Compare the Sweden of 1950 and the Sweden of today - the nation has actually managed to degenerate. Its astounding.
Development is a literal terms, if you are using economics terminology, then identify it. human index development(access to quality health care , basic infrastructure and social amenities) in the west is far better than that of Africa. this is true. and do you know why? it has nothing to do with our concentration on spirituality but failure to annex our cultural system in line with our political system, instead we depend on the ideology of the west(capitalism).
Economically speaking, Nigeria's lack of development has everything to do with "our concentration on spirituality"! The spiritual appears to entail the call on phantom forces to aid in our development, symbolised by the Nigerians' preference to pray for divine intervention instead of direct personal intervention. The westerner however, would rather work their socks off and be the change they desire. Just look at the numerous buildings in our nation devoted to the spiritual, and the dearth of industry and factories and the consequent lack of employment. Also consider the lack of health facilities and the numerous faith healers that take their place. Do you know the west plunders our health service workers and more of our doctors work abroad than in Nigeria? While we focus on the spiritual, we unfortunately abandon the here and now Please also read the opening post where the op says her boss would rather they get on with their work instead of praying on the time he pays them for.
No nations developed while relying on borrowed system. check china , Singapore, south Korea this nation were once colonized by the British and Japanese respectively....but these nation quickly realized following the former master ideology will not in any way yield profit. they draw the master plan of their economy in line with the cultural values and to day these once a colony state are at per of far better than their former master.
Not true! Not one single nation has significantly advanced until it came into contact with new foreign ideology! If fact, every single nation's progress has been predicate on the influx of foreign ideology! Yoruba land is a typical example. Obatala ruled. However the decadence of his rule is symbolised by his description as a drunk. He was usurped by Oduduwa, a foreigner.
Egypt is another example. In antiquity they borrowed knowledge from everywhere and became a great nation, as did Rome, and even the West who absorbed African might and Arabic philosophy to fuel its scientific revolution.
Do note that the old is always destroyed for the better to come about.
Africa in its early days was well organized, before the white set in. using the Yoruba society as an example, we give democracy and freedom to women in our society even before the west do. we lay a good foundation of political leadership before the west set in, everything collapsed when the west visit our prosperous land. Kenya economy is better than that of Korea in 1970 but today you will think the reverse is the case.
Africa was in no way well organised just before the arrival of the whites! Yoruba land itself was ravaged by war just before the whites arrived, as was much of sub Sahara Africa. In fact, Islam had civilised large parts of North Africa while West Africa remained impenetrable and in its pagan dark ages. It wasn't until Islam drifted down from the north and Christianity found a way in along the coast that the Yorubas, to mention one tribe amongst the many, stopped enslaving one another and sacrificing humans to their gods! War, plunder and slavery was rife in Yorubaland just before the arrival of westerners and its social fabric was disintegrating. Read the Samuel Johnson's, History of the Yorubas for more info.
Do note that about 1500 years before then, the western world had developed democracy, a superior mode of governance than the tyranny of the despotic kings most African villages had!
we can only achieved progressed until we go back to our cultural values system. Europe understand it better. read this book online ... how Europe underdeveloped Africa Nigeria spiritual system is politicized , what we practised here is a borrowed ideology.... i repeat no nation can developed without annexing its cultural value.. WE are still under colony but is called neocolonialism
Yes, Europe underdeveloped Africa, but that is on the assumption that they should, could, or must have developed Africa! Lets not delude ourselves, the Europeans came to plunder Africa to develop their own nations. They didn't give a flying poo about us! They could only do this however, because we were not sufficiently developed to resist them when they arrived.
Our past ways could not sustain us and that is why we abandoned them. Superior powers only overcome inferior nations. Ancient Egypt is a typical example. It was so rich and (politically and scientifically) advanced that it was able to build the most advanced structures of its day, the pyramids. Yet, the politically and militarily advanced Romans came along and plundered it, as they did the once more politically advanced but militarily disorganised Greece. If Africa was as advanced as you claim, we would not have found the ideology of the Western World more appealing and abandoned our own.
Go read up about China, to see how another nation handled the superiority of the western world. China thought it was the greatest nation in the world until it was defeated by the more advanced Western World. It's current economic revival is because of its selective import of western ideology. They don't care where the ideology comes from as long as it proves effective, and today send millions out to learn the Western ways. Amazingly, however, they seem smart enough to limit Christian influence.
Nigeria is developing, albeit slowly. When I arrived on here some years ago, I could not have imagined that there would be this many people unshackled to the gods and no one dare touch their anointeds. Now however, more Nigerians are killing their gods and realising that the spirit is within them and if any one need be anointed, it is they themselves. Verily verily I say unto thee, to borrow a phrase, the day will soon come when we Nigerians will indeed know that we ourselves are the gods. Then would we too develop and be a new 'Jerusalem'.
That is indeed the rhetoric about communism, and the fact it has failed in practise is obvious. Nor am I claiming it to be a superior mode of governance. Communist nations however do suffer from embargoes from the capitalist world, either imposed from outside or from inside, which limits investment and thereby progress. As Adam Smith said, the baker wakes up early to bake bread because he loves his profit, and not because he loves his customers. Why would I want to invest money in a place where I was not allowed to make maximum profit?
The fact however is that the degeneration of nations is not because of its lack of spirituality or religion. Numerous nations have declined by the over emphases on the religious (the Aztecs, Egypt, Nigeria and Europe, for example).
East Germanys lag is due purely to Communism. Not embargoes or anything of the sort.
Communism is an ineffective economic system when compared to Capitalism. This is a universal truth that stands clear as night and day - the more socialist a country, the poorer its economic growth/development.
Sweden is the perfect example, socialists love to highlight it as a "success story". Compare the Sweden of 1950 and the Sweden of today - the nation has actually managed to degenerate. Its astounding.
Sweden is the perfect example, socialists love to highlight it as a "success story". Compare the Sweden of 1950 and the Sweden of today - the nation has actually managed to degenerate. Its astounding.
The following is what I'm finding to describe Sweden today.
HOW SWEDEN CREATED A MODEL ECONOMY The Swedish economy is performing well in comparison with other Western nations. Before, the country’s economy was sometimes dismissed as ‘socialist’, but now it is held up as an example of capitalism done right. How does Sweden do it?
budaatum: I am very sorry, but your misconceptions need to be addressed just so other readers do not be led astray!
Economically speaking, Nigeria's lack of development has everything to do with "our concentration on spirituality"! The spiritual appears to entail the call on phantom forces to aid in our development, symbolised by the Nigerians' preference to pray for divine intervention instead of direct personal intervention. The westerner however, would rather work their socks off and be the change they desire. Just look at the numerous buildings in our nation devoted to the spiritual, and the dearth of industry and factories and the consequent lack of employment. Also consider the lack of health facilities and the numerous faith healers that take their place. Do you know the west plunders our health service workers and more of our doctors work abroad than in Nigeria? While we focus on the spiritual, we unfortunately abandon the here and now Please also read the opening post where the op says her boss would rather they get on with their work instead of praying on the time he pays them for.
Not true! Not one single nation has significantly advanced until it came into contact with new foreign ideology! If fact, every single nation's progress has been predicate on the influx of foreign ideology! Yoruba land is a typical example. Obatala ruled. However the decadence of his rule is symbolised by his description as a drunk. He was usurped by Oduduwa, a foreigner.
Egypt is another example. In antiquity they borrowed knowledge from everywhere and became a great nation, as did Rome, and even the West who absorbed African might and Arabic philosophy to fuel its scientific revolution.
Do note that the old is always destroyed for the better to come about.
Africa was in no way well organised just before the arrival of the whites! Yoruba land itself was ravaged by war just before the whites arrived, as was much of sub Sahara Africa. In fact, Islam had civilised large parts of North Africa while West Africa remained impenetrable and in its pagan dark ages. It wasn't until Islam drifted down from the north and Christianity found a way in along the coast that the Yorubas, to mention one tribe amongst the many, stopped enslaving one another and sacrificing humans to their gods! War, plunder and slavery was rife in Yorubaland just before the arrival of westerners and its social fabric was disintegrating. Read the Samuel Johnson's, History of the Yorubas for more info.
Do note that about 1500 years before then, the western world had developed democracy, a superior mode of governance than the tyranny of the despotic kings most African villages had!
Yes, Europe underdeveloped Africa, but that is on the assumption that they should, could, or must have developed Africa! Lets not delude ourselves, the Europeans came to plunder Africa to develop their own nations. They didn't give a flying poo about us! They could only do this however, because we were not sufficiently developed to resist them when they arrived.
Our past ways could not sustain us and that is why we abandoned them. Superior powers only overcome inferior nations. Ancient Egypt is a typical example. It was so rich and (politically and scientifically) advanced that it was able to build the most advanced structures of its day, the pyramids. Yet, the politically and militarily advanced Romans came along and plundered it, as they did the once more politically advanced but militarily disorganised Greece. If Africa was as advanced as you claim, we would not have found the ideology of the Western World more appealing and abandoned our own.
Go read up about China, to see how another nation handled the superiority of the western world. China thought it was the greatest nation in the world until it was defeated by the more advanced Western World. It's current economic revival is because of its selective import of western ideology. They don't care where the ideology comes from as long as it proves effective, and today send millions out to learn the Western ways. Amazingly, however, they seem smart enough to limit Christian influence.
Nigeria is developing, albeit slowly. When I arrived on here some years ago, I could not have imagined that there would be this many people unshackled to the gods and no one dare touch their anointeds. Now however, more Nigerians are killing their gods and realising that the spirit is within them and if any one need be anointed, it is they themselves. Verily verily I say unto thee, to borrow a phrase, the day will soon come when we Nigerians will indeed know that we ourselves are the gods. Then would we too develop and be a new 'Jerusalem'.
Until then, the struggle continues, I guess.
you are tuning religious section into political section. if only moderator will allow.... that is cool. i think you are the one bringing in misconception.
ECONOMICALLY SPEAKING .Nigeria underdevelopment has nothing to do with spirituality, it has never be one. history state it all not me. it is very naive to attribute spirituality as the cause of Nigeria problem. do you know how much religion is indirectly generating to the economy pulse of the nation. do you know the number of foreigners that visit Nigeria just for spiritual tourism . ask TB JOSHUA. NIGERIA economy problem was as a result of these four major catastrophe ; Low economic growth performance , weak governance ,debt burden and lastly violence and crime . tell me how dose this aforementioned lead to spirituality. this is public forum you have to be careful of what you write up. pls do not relate crime and violence to spirituality. it is more of political issue. prayer is our norms everywhere. the royal house of England that is even much more formal start their activities with prayer, yes there should be time for everything. prayer is very effective in gathering thought into action. A daily prayer energies the body and make the body ready for the day activities . many organizations in the west still start the daily activities with prayer. it is not in anyway unprofessional. even public schools(secondary schools in the UK and Germany holds daily prayer. prayer for the queen and the rest for the nation. .
You lack Yoruba history, oduduwa was not foreigner He is indigenous to Ancient Nigeria and was a prince of the Nok civilization. In antiquity, Ife was a part of the Nok civilization (as were the Hausa and Igbo). Oduduwa did not bring civilization from the Nile to Nigeria, for Ancient Nigeria already had civilization, one much older than Kemet. what oduduwa brought was the first militaristic government, and not the first government (which was egalitarian under the elders of Obatala.
United kingdom today still stick to their monarchical democracy, Italy still recognize the effective role of the papacy likewise Germany still welcome the leading decision of catholic. so tell me how their culture is not practice.. absorbing borrowed knowledge into your system is not the main argument here, accepting borrowed idea to override yours is the the main bone of argument. i repeat no country will developed with foreign idea. we do not share many things in common so solution to our problem can not also be in common. unless you are suggesting we should adopt their culture. this is what we did and it affecting us. we have different background.i accept, as Julius Nyerere(former Tanzania president) said we should only look into what agree with African ideology ,while we should discard the rest.
Again you lack yoruba history, Democracy was developed from the Greece, but it only give women the chances to vote only in 1936 while UK also was around that period, with the exception of USA that came in the late 1943 or so. but here in yoruba land, women hold significant figure in the royal politics as iya loja , iya lode and so many activities. in fact when it comes to trade and barter yoruba women were in the leading position. this surprise the west when they came to exploit us, madam tinubu (iya loja of EKO} has employed about 400 men working for her, it is unbelievable to their eyes as they were no such thing in their land. have you hear of efusetan aniwura? another prosperous yoruba woman. an india professor once says that'' if you want to know the level of civilization of a society ask for the role of women'' so tell me how civilized was the west then? if she could not regard women in their politics. yoruba kindgom as a whole where heavily involved with the Sahelian trading network that linked the kingdoms of Wagadu, Djenné, Sokoto, Nok, Sao, Darfur, Kush, and Daamat. Its primary trading goods were iron, gold, horses, textiles, and cattle. By the 4th-century bce, Ife was as populous as Meroé and Waset (Luxor) in the Nile Valley. Ifé city was full of sublime architecture and monumental statues. It was the heartbeat of West-Central Africa for the next several centuries. It was not until the 14th-century when Islam became the dominant political-economic alliance in West Africa,that every things begin to change. i can write more on this but it is just enough.
it is closed case. you agree, Europe underdeveloped us and this true. it is not that we could not resist. they overpower us by force .i think i got stop here..... i am tired of typing.may be later
NIGERIA economy problem was as a result of this four major catastrophe ; Low economic growth performance , weak governance ,debt burden and lastly violence and crime . tell me how dose this aforementioned lead to spirituality.
The aforementioned do not lead to spiritual decadence. They are a result of decadence, if anything, which religion in Nigeria has been unable to eradicate. One may safely conclude that we are getting worse because of religion, except we are actually improving as more people abandon religion.
The aforementioned do not lead to spiritual decadence. They are a result of decadence, if anything, which religion in Nigeria has been unable to eradicate. One may safely conclude that we are getting worse because of religion, except we are actually improving as more people abandon religion.
it is very naive to attribute spirituality to Nigeria predicament. i rest my pen
budaatum: I am very sorry, but your misconceptions need to be addressed just so other readers do not be led astray!
Economically speaking, Nigeria's lack of development has everything to do with "our concentration on spirituality"! The spiritual appears to entail the call on phantom forces to aid in our development, symbolised by the Nigerians' preference to pray for divine intervention instead of direct personal intervention. The westerner however, would rather work their socks off and be the change they desire. Just look at the numerous buildings in our nation devoted to the spiritual, and the dearth of industry and factories and the consequent lack of employment. Also consider the lack of health facilities and the numerous faith healers that take their place. Do you know the west plunders our health service workers and more of our doctors work abroad than in Nigeria? While we focus on the spiritual, we unfortunately abandon the here and now Please also read the opening post where the op says her boss would rather they get on with their work instead of praying on the time he pays them for.
Not true! Not one single nation has significantly advanced until it came into contact with new foreign ideology! If fact, every single nation's progress has been predicate on the influx of foreign ideology! Yoruba land is a typical example. Obatala ruled. However the decadence of his rule is symbolised by his description as a drunk. He was usurped by Oduduwa, a foreigner.
Egypt is another example. In antiquity they borrowed knowledge from everywhere and became a great nation, as did Rome, and even the West who absorbed African might and Arabic philosophy to fuel its scientific revolution.
Do note that the old is always destroyed for the better to come about.
Africa was in no way well organised just before the arrival of the whites! Yoruba land itself was ravaged by war just before the whites arrived, as was much of sub Sahara Africa. In fact, Islam had civilised large parts of North Africa while West Africa remained impenetrable and in its pagan dark ages. It wasn't until Islam drifted down from the north and Christianity found a way in along the coast that the Yorubas, to mention one tribe amongst the many, stopped enslaving one another and sacrificing humans to their gods! War, plunder and slavery was rife in Yorubaland just before the arrival of westerners and its social fabric was disintegrating. Read the Samuel Johnson's, History of the Yorubas for more info.
Do note that about 1500 years before then, the western world had developed democracy, a superior mode of governance than the tyranny of the despotic kings most African villages had!
Yes, Europe underdeveloped Africa, but that is on the assumption that they should, could, or must have developed Africa! Lets not delude ourselves, the Europeans came to plunder Africa to develop their own nations. They didn't give a flying poo about us! They could only do this however, because we were not sufficiently developed to resist them when they arrived.
Our past ways could not sustain us and that is why we abandoned them. Superior powers only overcome inferior nations. Ancient Egypt is a typical example. It was so rich and (politically and scientifically) advanced that it was able to build the most advanced structures of its day, the pyramids. Yet, the politically and militarily advanced Romans came along and plundered it, as they did the once more politically advanced but militarily disorganised Greece. If Africa was as advanced as you claim, we would not have found the ideology of the Western World more appealing and abandoned our own.
Go read up about China, to see how another nation handled the superiority of the western world. China thought it was the greatest nation in the world until it was defeated by the more advanced Western World. It's current economic revival is because of its selective import of western ideology. They don't care where the ideology comes from as long as it proves effective, and today send millions out to learn the Western ways. Amazingly, however, they seem smart enough to limit Christian influence.
Nigeria is developing, albeit slowly. When I arrived on here some years ago, I could not have imagined that there would be this many people unshackled to the gods and no one dare touch their anointeds. Now however, more Nigerians are killing their gods and realising that the spirit is within them and if any one need be anointed, it is they themselves. Verily verily I say unto thee, to borrow a phrase, the day will soon come when we Nigerians will indeed know that we ourselves are the gods. Then would we too develop and be a new 'Jerusalem'.
Until then, the struggle continues, I guess.
Load of bullshit. When Rome was conquered by so-called barbarians in 479AD, Europe descended into the dark ages. It was an age characterized by white illiteracy, disease, ignorance and superstition. For over 1,000 years, this was the situation of the white European, he was devolved and he was ruled by darkskinned men. However, he arose from the cesspit in 1500AD in what is called the 'Renaissance'.
We black people are in our 'white ages' now, we will experience our own renaissance very soon, and this time around, our rulership will be forever and ever without end.
Load of bullshit. When Rome was conquered by so-called barbarians in 479AD, Europe descended into the dark ages. It was an age characterized by white illiteracy, disease, ignorance and superstition. For over 1,000 years, this was the situation of the white European, he was devolved and he was ruled by darkskinned men. However, he arose from the cesspit in 1500AD in what is called the 'Renaissance'.
We black people are in our 'white ages' now, we will experience our own renaissance very soon, and this time around, our rulership will be forever and ever without end.
Am not even interested to counter the response but to speak the truth....lot of false information there bro. great spain was even under islamic leadership for more than a century...
vaxx: Am not even interested to counter the response but to speak the truth....lot of false information there bro. great spain was even under islamic leadership for more than a century...
There are a lot of bullshit spinners on this forum
The aforementioned do not lead to spiritual decadence. They are a result of decadence, if anything, which religion in Nigeria has been unable to eradicate. One may safely conclude that we are getting worse because of religion, except we are actually improving as more people abandon religion.
I'm of the very strong opinion that while the issue of religion being responsible for backwardness is debatable but its actually very glaring that (Abrahamic) religion does make a bad country worse and worse; it may not be responsible for corruption but it actually assists in making it get worse
a country with corrupt leaders and political issues would have more and more of her citizen turn to religion, This is why Karl Marx called religion "opium of the masses"
The question that is asked as the title of this thread is one of fundamental and profound ignorance.
What is the need for God or religion when you have everything? You have food, clothes, shelter, a good job, affordable health care, security etc, what do you need God for?
Only people who are sick need the physician. The black man is cut off from his source, he is spiritually sick, until he is reconnected back to his source, he will continue to grope in darkness at noon day.
The blackman will never find his bearing in religion, he will find it in his return to true spirituality and righteousness, it is a personal race, you will find the truth and it will set you free.
Try to do good to your neighbour and enjoy the euphoria of doing good.
The blackman is in his 'white ages' and awaiting his renaissance.
The following is what I'm finding to describe Sweden today.
HOW SWEDEN CREATED A MODEL ECONOMY The Swedish economy is performing well in comparison with other Western nations. Before, the country’s economy was sometimes dismissed as ‘socialist’, but now it is held up as an example of capitalism done right. How does Sweden do it?
budaatum: I am very sorry, but your misconceptions need to be addressed just so other readers do not be led astray!
Economically speaking, Nigeria's lack of development has everything to do with "our concentration on spirituality"! The spiritual appears to entail the call on phantom forces to aid in our development, symbolised by the Nigerians' preference to pray for divine intervention instead of direct personal intervention. The westerner however, would rather work their socks off and be the change they desire. Just look at the numerous buildings in our nation devoted to the spiritual, and the dearth of industry and factories and the consequent lack of employment. Also consider the lack of health facilities and the numerous faith healers that take their place. Do you know the west plunders our health service workers and more of our doctors work abroad than in Nigeria? While we focus on the spiritual, we unfortunately abandon the here and now Please also read the opening post where the op says her boss would rather they get on with their work instead of praying on the time he pays them for.
Not true! Not one single nation has significantly advanced until it came into contact with new foreign ideology! If fact, every single nation's progress has been predicate on the influx of foreign ideology! Yoruba land is a typical example. Obatala ruled. However the decadence of his rule is symbolised by his description as a drunk. He was usurped by Oduduwa, a foreigner.
Egypt is another example. In antiquity they borrowed knowledge from everywhere and became a great nation, as did Rome, and even the West who absorbed African might and Arabic philosophy to fuel its scientific revolution.
Do note that the old is always destroyed for the better to come about.
Africa was in no way well organised just before the arrival of the whites! Yoruba land itself was ravaged by war just before the whites arrived, as was much of sub Sahara Africa. In fact, Islam had civilised large parts of North Africa while West Africa remained impenetrable and in its pagan dark ages. It wasn't until Islam drifted down from the north and Christianity found a way in along the coast that the Yorubas, to mention one tribe amongst the many, stopped enslaving one another and sacrificing humans to their gods! War, plunder and slavery was rife in Yorubaland just before the arrival of westerners and its social fabric was disintegrating. Read the Samuel Johnson's, History of the Yorubas for more info.
Do note that about 1500 years before then, the western world had developed democracy, a superior mode of governance than the tyranny of the despotic kings most African villages had!
Yes, Europe underdeveloped Africa, but that is on the assumption that they should, could, or must have developed Africa! Lets not delude ourselves, the Europeans came to plunder Africa to develop their own nations. They didn't give a flying poo about us! They could only do this however, because we were not sufficiently developed to resist them when they arrived.
Our past ways could not sustain us and that is why we abandoned them. Superior powers only overcome inferior nations. Ancient Egypt is a typical example. It was so rich and (politically and scientifically) advanced that it was able to build the most advanced structures of its day, the pyramids. Yet, the politically and militarily advanced Romans came along and plundered it, as they did the once more politically advanced but militarily disorganised Greece. If Africa was as advanced as you claim, we would not have found the ideology of the Western World more appealing and abandoned our own.
Go read up about China, to see how another nation handled the superiority of the western world. China thought it was the greatest nation in the world until it was defeated by the more advanced Western World. It's current economic revival is because of its selective import of western ideology. They don't care where the ideology comes from as long as it proves effective, and today send millions out to learn the Western ways. Amazingly, however, they seem smart enough to limit Christian influence.
Nigeria is developing, albeit slowly. When I arrived on here some years ago, I could not have imagined that there would be this many people unshackled to the gods and no one dare touch their anointeds. Now however, more Nigerians are killing their gods and realising that the spirit is within them and if any one need be anointed, it is they themselves. Verily verily I say unto thee, to borrow a phrase, the day will soon come when we Nigerians will indeed know that we ourselves are the gods. Then would we too develop and be a new 'Jerusalem'.
Until then, the struggle continues, I guess.
baba you good o.... you carefully killed and analyzed all points back2back
Do note that about 1500 years before then, the western world had developed democracy, a superior mode of governance than the tyranny of the despotic kings most African villages had!
.[/quote]this deserve response.... if only you understand how Yoruba, Dahomey , akan political system was structured , you will realized it is more Superior than the west. let me give you an example using Yoruba society... in ile ife there are more than four family that are entitled to leadership position of king. before any candidate can be put forward, the four royal house must validate and authenticate the candidate. let me give you a breakdown political structure of the old oyo empire before the pre colonial era.
THE ALAAFIN: The Alaafin was seen as the political head of the empire. He was chosen by the Oyomesi.(king maker)
THE AREMO: He is the eldest son of the ruling Alaafin but cannot succeed his father at his demise. He can only help his father in the administration of the empire.
THE OYOMESI: These are the seven hereditary kingmakers in the Oyo empire. Their leader was Bashroun. They were responsible for installing a new Alaafin.
BAALE OR OBA: Each province was administered by Ajele or Oba. They guaranteed the payment of tribute.
THE ARMY (ESO): Are- ono kankanfo was the head of the army. Oyo had for long maintained a strong army that had been used in winning different wars. .
THE OGBONI SOCIETY: This society posses judicial powers and was involved also in policy making. The maintenance and preservation of the cultural values of the people were also delegated to them. They influence a lot of issues in the society.
THE IYA LOJA; Always a female, her position is to handle the commercial activity of the city which can be translate as minister of finance and industry. she is also into other decision that relate to women affairs
THE THREE ENUCHES: They were also involved in the administration of the empire. They were: 1. The Osi Efa: He was in charge of political affairs, he has to die with the Alaafin. He was also called ‘Abobaku’. 2. The Ona Efa: He was for judicial purpose 3. The Otun Efa: His function was to perform religious duties for the Alaafin .
hope this will help make you a good an unbiased comparison between your so western democracy and that of the Yoruba system in the 19 to 20 century..
lady2sexy: Well I can’t speak for all the white folks the few I have met in my place of work are all irreligious. in fact the few I have worked with mostly from western Europe, US, Canada are strictly anti religion.
Just last week the white folk sent to head our department almost sacked our head of operations because of our usual morning devotion. He yelled at everybody like a mad dog and warned that it should be the last time we bring our god damn unproductive religion obsession to the office. He used all sort of f word to denigrate and insult everybody and blamed the dwindling fortunes of our department on our unproductive religious act. He said instead of mapping out strategies on how to improve and achieve our job objective we resort to clapping, dancing and making noise. though we tried to explain that we have done all those before trying to back it up with prayers but he shouted us down.
The previous white guy that headed our unit ain't religious but he's indifferent about our morning devotion as long as we do our normal safety tips and work meeting. other white guys in the coy are also not really interested about religion. only two out of lot identify themselves as Christians but they are basically non practicing as they know next to nothing in the bible. We understand they are Christians as a result of family background.
This is really serious, they brought religion to us and now they are no longer interested.
guys have any of you witness this anti religious stance while working with white folks. And guys that live abroad especially the western world educate us on how an average white folk perceive religion especially Christianity because if am left with this little experience of mine I would say they are satanist
They are not satanist,my boss is an Italian, he has spent 7 years in Nigeria.He doesn't go to church nor pray.I know most of his friends,they don't give a f*ck about religion but most of them are better than the religious Africans...no pun intended.
I'm of the very strong opinion that while the issue of religion being responsible for backwardness is debatable but its actually very glaring that (Abrahamic) religion does make a bad country worse and worse; it may not be responsible for corruption but it actually assists in making it get worse
a country with corrupt leaders and political issues would have more and more of her citizen turn to religion, This is why Karl Marx called religion "opium of the masses"
Religion is not responsible for backwardness. Religion was in fact the curriculum of early school and it very much aided in the education of the masses which was a main drive in the improvement in the lot of human beings. However, the inability to change religious beliefs from antiquated ones to more advanced modes of thinking does create states of stagnancy and eventual recession behind nations that are more willing to evolve. Religion has at times been a force for positive change but holding to antiquated beliefs drags societies into the dark ages.
Catholic Church contributed nothing to this world order than death and destruction. If it were left to them we would still be burning little girls as witches just because thunder randomly strikes some churches. It is surprising how they managed to take glory for everything thousands of scientists sacrificed their lives for.
Thanks for this insight. You read them claim those scientists were religious, and catholic in its day, while disregarding the fact that they could not be anything else but catholic if they lived in the Western world. They've moderated and claim the atheist is a fool today but disregard the fact they burned atheists or anyone who didn't believe what they say one should at the stake in those days. But that's okay. Their gods said they should burn them!
Not as if the devotion session of our morning meeting take eternity. The devotion is merely 5-8min after our main meeting. That's has been the tradition in the office besides everybody in the office is christian. The prayers is still for the company to grow and I don't see anything bad in that.
You have been given reasonable answers but it seems like you came here for answers that are pleasing to you .
Do you mean they're more critical in their thinking than us I have seen way smarter black folks even better than the white folks on the job yet they are religious. In fact I have never met a Nigerian that is self proclaim atheist in real life before and yet I have met Nigerians far smarter and technically sound than the smartest white folk I have ever worked with.
It depends on what you mean by critical thinking. If you define critical thinking as theorising, talking and praying about problems, then you cannot beat the black man, especially the Nigerian. But, if you define critical thinking as actually taking action and solving problems, then the white and even yellow people are way above us. The white man has to be adept at solving problems else they cannot survive the harsh environmental and geographic conditions of their environment, we on the other hand live in very clement environment and so require little problem solving to survive, giving us generous time for ceremonies, prayers and social nuances.
Ever wonder why white people are always made to head your department and probably your company? It has nothing to do with smartness as per paper qualification, but the ability to actually solve problems.
sirfee: They are not satanist,my boss is an Italian, he has spent 7 years in Nigeria.He doesn't go to church nor pray.I know most of his friends,they don't give a f*ck about religion but most of them are better than the religious Africans...no pun intended.
I have worked with and met a good share of Godly white people in my years on this planet...in the area of the world where I live. I have learned that there are Godly and ungodly folks of all nations, races, kindred and tongues.
MsNgo40: I have worked with and met a good share of Godly white people in my years on this planet...in the area of the world where I live. I have learned that there are Godly and ungodly folks of all nations, races, kindred and tongues.
wow! thats interesting. Yeah they are generally Godly but hardly religious I wonder how this possible
I wonder how this possible
I have seen way smarter black folks even better than the white folks on the job yet they are religious. In fact I have never met a Nigerian that is self proclaim atheist in real life before and yet I have met Nigerians far smarter and technically sound than the smartest white folk I have ever worked with.