budaatum:

We've been trying to teach him. But we've not been successful. He has friends who delight in his ignorance.

lady2sexy:
its seems there are more atheist in this forum and they're all very subjective in their response. the only concrete fact I have gotten from this board is the fact that most white folks are relatively comfortable hence they are less religious. However, e also have blacks that are very comfortable and very religious at the same time. Am surprised to see many Nigeria atheist here while in real life I have never met one.

oyb:


its very simple, you are there to work. that is what you are being paid for.
your prayer sessions are not impacting on the company bottom line
it is also very irresponsible [though typical of evangelical christians]
if muslims in your office chose to hold a daily morning prayer would you not be offended?
or if some traditionalists did so?
or the indian hindus?

if you are so bothered you can always find a nigerian company that supports that sort of thing. i can think of two off the cuff -
oceanic bank and intercontinental bank. i hear they are very very friendly towards morning devotion. also great places to work and industry leaders.

with your moniker i also wonder just how religious you are anyway - your vanity at the very least must be off the hook

frank317:


Exactly what they did to felixomore until the turned to the clown of the house

lady2sexy:
its seems there are more atheist in this forum and they're all very subjective in their response. the only concrete fact I have gotten from this board is the fact that most white folks are relatively comfortable hence they are less religious. However, e also have blacks that are very comfortable and very religious at the same time. Am surprised to see many Nigeria atheist here while in real life I have never met one.

vaxx:
East Germany is more of atheist republic(the most godless place on earth), it is roughly 29 years now after the Berlin wall has been broken, they still can not meet up with the west or will forever meet up. Not because of economic opportunity but due to lack of spirituality. atheism dose not translate to comfort...

Catholic has been playing a leading role in west Germany development....in fact the political power of the west Germany is build on western oriented catholic support....... most of the atheist on nairaland do not see more than their eyes to their nose....

i think Nigeria atheist are only atheist in thought but religious in reality. with this life style ,you might not see any Nigeria atheist in real life.

lady2sexy:

lol, at the bolded, you are been very sarcastic

tell me more about Germany please

budaatum:

We've been trying to teach him. But we've not been successful. He has friends who delight in his ignorance.

Emmytes:


So Africa's only achievement is being the spiritual power house of the world yet we are the most backward out of all the continents. How ironic!

lady2sexy:
its seems there are more atheist in this forum and they're all very subjective in their response. the only concrete fact I have gotten from this board is the fact that most white folks are relatively comfortable hence they are less religious. However, e also have blacks that are very comfortable and very religious at the same time. Am surprised to see many Nigeria atheist here while in real life I have never met one.

vaxx:
East Germany is more of atheist republic(the most godless place on earth), it is roughly 29 years now after the Berlin wall has been broken, they still can not meet up with the west or will forever meet up. Not because of economic opportunity but due to lack of spirituality. atheism dose not translate to comfort...

Catholic has been playing a leading role in west Germany development....in fact the political power of the west Germany is build on western oriented catholic support....... most of the atheist on nairaland do not see more than their eyes to their nose....

i think Nigeria atheist are only atheist in thought but religious in reality. with this life style ,you might not see any Nigeria atheist in real life.

frank317:


Mr spiritual... kindly tell us what your country has achieved with spirituality? churches, mosques and shrines every where yet the people are living in abject poverty, politicians and busy embezzling your money, pastors are milking the poor, traditional sprirtualists are deceiving the gullible. Go out and see how thousands of your spiritual citizens on fuel que buying the fuel they produce at high prices. the roads are bad, the old people are just fading of, hospitals are filled with the sick, no doctors or pastors or spiritualists to heal them.

Tell us how ur country is better than the east Germany you castigate.

Or perhaps tell us how being a spiritual country has helped us.

lady2sexy:

lol, at the bolded, you are been very sarcastic

tell me more about Germany please

budaatum:

To claim East Germany was not as advanced as West Germany because it was atheistic is rather disingenuous and I hope readers would do some research instead of accepting the bias that suits them.

East Germany's government was atheistic. There is nothing to say the people themselves were not religious however, though church attendance fell between the split of East and West and unification of the two.

During separation, East German had full employment and housing. However, its economic development was curtailed due to it being behind the Iron Bloc, thereby reducing the nations that did business with it. Cuba is in a similar position, with embargoes on trading with it meaning it can import to and export from a very few countries. Obama lifted the ban on Americans trading and travelling there, and Trump reimposed it.

East Germany in fact, suffered from the same parochiality that is holding Nigeria back. We share with the former East Germany being held back by rulers who impose ideology on its people by not informing them properly. East Germany had SocioLeninist-anti-capitalist ideology, while Nigeria has ChristoIslam holding it back, and the tide of western ideology that helped pulled down the Berlin Wall would also be what pulls down the wall that blinds Nigerians.

vaxx:
Do you want me to answer you? then you have to collapse your ego.

frank317:


Actually i just want u to think this through... everything i said is staring u right there in ur face... an otherwise answer would be like pulling the rabbit out of the hat

vaxx:
mr budaatum,you can not explain spiritual realms using physical realms....both of them have their boundary... anyway i am gonna explain the physical realms to you since that is what you believe. even Before WWII, much of the former East Germany was not especially prosperous compared to the West and some of the most prosperous parts of pre-WWII eastern Germany were carved off into Poland or some part of Russia and ethnically cleansed of their German inhabitants.

East GERMANY population is seriously shrinking and Germany government is very much aware, that is why angel(PM)is seriously supporting refugee migration so that the new population can be dispersed to every part of Germany especially that of east Germany where the population is gradually getting into extinction , guess what ? in the next 25 years ,the world population will add about 20 billion people largely from third world country where religious is stable or increasing.... i will post a link to back it up if you want, Germany population need replacement since they are at a very low level. East Germany is feeling the heat more than the west.... Ask yourself why?

lady2sexy:


I wish I can really discern and relate what up their to my question.

the summary of my question is that they brought this religion to us, why is it that now they are no longer interested in it

budaatum:
Please don't insult my intelligence by claiming I would not understand a thing. Not agreeing with you does not mean I do not understand.

There is nothing to indicate that "former East Germany was not especially prosperous compared to the West and some of the most prosperous parts of pre-WWII eastern Germany". Germany, as a whole, was not doing so well after the punitive sanctions imposed on it by the western alliance after the first world war. You have heard of wheelbarrows full of Deutschmarks used to buy a singlie loaf of bread?

East Germany, after the second world war, was ruled by despots who used Federal Marxist–Leninist one-party socialist system to oppress the people. Religion was still practised by some people though it was suppressed and dwindled over time. The leaders imposed atheism as a religion to suit their needs but that is not what ruined East Germany. The closing up of their society to migration and emigration did. And people are leaving there now for the same lack of opportunity people leave Nigeria, and Africa on the whole. If it weren't for the fact that condoms and contraceptives are so dear, We too would have shrinking populations, I bet.

vaxx:
you can not be smarter than the book. the book is an authority as it contain lot of references....

Xbee007:

Catholic Church contributed nothing to this world order than death and destruction. If it were left to them we would still be burning little girls as witches just because thunder randomly strikes some churches. It is surprising how they managed to take glory for everything thousands of scientists sacrificed their lives for.

vaxx:
i am aware of this allegation, although it is not well founded, but you can not also deny their impact in the development of western civilization. i encourage you to read the book. the book is not a catholic book so there is no bias .it is purely academic.

Xbee007:

It is an insult on the millions of dead people persecuted by religious folks to say the allegations are not well founded.
Don't attempt to rewrite history cos these incidents are well documented.

sonofluc1fer:

They didn't bring religion to us. Most African nations, pre-European colonization, had their own religions and belief systems. As captives/natives/slaves/colonized, you had to learn the language and beliefs of your colonial master. You, for example, speak English because those who owned your 'nation' enforced that language. 'London Bridge is falling down" must have been a popular rhyme.

As per Christianity, it takes a massive level of brainwashing for an African to believe a young Israelite slaughtered in far away Asia died for his sins. Or talks to him in dreams. Those who brought the tool understood its use. Those on whom the tool was administered, now cherish and worship their chains. It's a pity.

vaxx:
religious has never been the cause of war. it is either political or economic struggle. i accept religious reason are used for non religious purpose. but religious in its actual sense do no spark war. gun do no kill people. it is people that kill people.

budaatum:

Why are you unwillingly to see that the backwardness of East Germany too had nothing to do with religion but with political and economic struggle?

People have indeed hidden behind ideology (judaism, Christianity, Islam, Paganism Nazism, Communism, atheism etc) to commit atrocities against their fellow human beings, but that is not to say some god done it unless one is dishonest or actual lacks historical knowledge.

vaxx:
The decision of communism government to indoctrinate the nation with Atheism ideology contribute majorly to the backwardness of the country...this is spiritual, i can not proof it, but that is my intelligent guess.....

vaxx:

the strongest political party in Germany (christian democratic union) has an ideology of establishing of what she term as Christian democracy which might not go down well with the people of the east...is this not a division?

vaxx:
let me tell you something you are not thinking, the world is still the same ,no any developed country anywhere.... so far sickness , sorrow , sadness ,still persist... and this is why elion musk is working on mars colony so that humanity will not go into extinction , he is also looking for a way to reduce the amount of carbon dioxide that emit to our atmosphere to reduce the impact of global warming.... NO Nation is actually a heaven on earth....Am sure you aware UK just appoint minister in charge of loneliness

lady2sexy:
Well I can’t speak for all the white folks the few I have met in my place of work are all irreligious. in fact the few I have worked with mostly from western Europe, US, Canada are strictly anti religion.

frank317:


This is why i said an otherwise answer from you will be like pulling the rabbit out of the bag. Your response has absolutely nothing to do with what we are saying here.

My response to u was based on ur words that east Germany, an atheist community, is not advanced. This implies that u accept that some communities are better than others in terms of advancement. Why are u now telling me that there are no developed societies anywhere? Didnt u know this before making a comparison with east germany?

Fine i accept there is no perfect society but u and i know the road in uk are better than that of Nigeria, The hospitals in London are better equipped and have beter doctors than your exemplary East Germany.

My question which in your attempt to dodge u responded with a completely unrelated statement is: what has your spiritual Nigeria achieved in terms of advancement compared to other less spiritual societies?

budaatum:

First, buda does not believe stuff made up in her own head, so why would she believe stuff you make up in yours? Please, when you read, "buda is an atheist", do note that it means she does not do belief of almost any sort.

Secondly, I do see sense in what you've written, but I do not accept that your view on the issue is correct. The facts just don't seem to support you. There is enough history about East Germany so one does not need to resort to guessing or making it up.

Their backwardness, as it was - full employment for instance, and housing - was due to economic sanctions the west placed on communist nations and the subsequent lack of inflow of funds for development. USSR and Cuba suffered the same isolation, and North Korea are suffering it too. Iran only just had embargoes lifted, and Trump is threatening to impose similar sanctions on Palestine if they don't bow to the desires of Israel! Oddly enough, there are no sanctions placed on Nigeria, just that investors get better returns investing their funds in better developing nations as opposed to stagnant Nigeria. Some will claim that stagnation is because of our inability to evolve, which is due to our current (I would say, non-progressive) ideology!) we, infect, are placing sanctions on ourselves!

Incidentally, the former East Germans are pining for the better days of demarcation as their lot has deteriorated since unification. (cf Ostalgie)


She actually was letting Muslim refugees in, so I do not see how that amounts to "establishing of what she term as Christian democracy", unless she's so desperate that belief in any gods would do.

At the elections in September 2017, Christian democratic political alliance of two political parties in Germany, the Christian Democratic Union of Germany (CDU) and Christian Social Union in Bavaria (CSU) actually lost 65 seats, an 8.6% point swing, because they were perceived to be Islamizing the nation. The result is Merkel losing seats in the Bundestag and being unable to form a government, and the rise of fascism all over Europe. Even Teresa May had to pay a billion pounds to just about the most fundamentalist party in UK in order to have a majority in the House which she lost at the elections last year.

All Western nations are suffering from a declining population as the old die off and the young have fewer babies than their parents had. This has resulted in a reduction in tax revenue as workers have declined. They have therefore resorted to taking people from wherever they can get them to fill the gap in their purses (though it does seem they don't want Africans if they can help it). The stumbling block however is that the indigenous people don't like the effects of immigration since it lowers their wage packet as immigrants accept lower pay and working conditions, and bring in ideology that is foreign to them.

The fact is that religion (or ideology, in a broader sense) can stimulate progress and development. Examples are Europe in the first century and Nigeria in the 15th Century at the arrival of Christianity. It can also however stifle progress and development (cf. Europe's dark ages 400-800AD, and Nigeria, one might say since about the 1800s).

Incidentally, it was the arrival of another religion (Islam, to be specific), that helped pull Europe out of its dark ages!

You can read about the decrease in Christians and the closure of churches, and the increase in mosques and Muslims in Germany below.

"Between 1990 and 2010 we closed 340 churches, and of those 46 were demolished," says Thomas Begrich, head of finances for the Evangelical Church of Germany

Christianity Dying Out in Germany

Islamic Group Plans to Double Number of Mosques in Germany

The Islamization of Germany in 2016 - Gatestone Institute

Muslim population in England and Wales nearly doubles in 10 years

Muslim population of the UK could triple to 13m following 'record' influx