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My Painful Experience With The Doctrine Of "First Fruit" by superhumanist(m): 6:51pm On Feb 08, 2018 |
I never bothered or even understood the meaning of "first fruit" until last week. It came as a surprise when a friend called asking for money. Let's assume that his name is "John". John is a man that has a high paying job in a federal government office and he has one or two side hustles- this is why I was surprised that he needed money badly. Apparently, he gave almost all of his income in January to his church in the name of first fruit and he became a bit broke during the period. Knowing what John earns, he must have given over 1.5 million Naira to the church (I assist him in one of his side hustles and so, I know). He expected that his other side hustle will make up for his first fruit donation but it did not go as planned This is a man with wife and children reduced to begging his junior (me) all in the name of first fruit. John is like an older brother to me. He usually pays for drinks or food whenever we go out. I am so pissed at how churches have brainwashed hardworking, educated people. It is also important to point out that as a big boy, John spends big and also borrows big.....and so, I am burdened with lending him a huge amount till he recovers from the first fruit blow to his account. 3 Likes |
Re: My Painful Experience With The Doctrine Of "First Fruit" by Dwayndlight: 6:57pm On Feb 08, 2018 |
Wait No matter how educated you are, you must always be analytical and also think rationally when handling real life situation no matter your religion, background, ethic or what have you Else you’re still very ignorant and your brain is blocked Of course if we don’t give John benefit of a doubt and think maybe he has another reason Peculiar to him we will be wrong. I’m not speaking for the brainwashed thousands. As I was typing and using my J just hrd where’s ashafa or we will start shooting, I tot who are these noisemakers but on twicking my head a little to the right I saw Aks and men in Black, FSARS. I had to make it on a bus before completing this. |
Re: My Painful Experience With The Doctrine Of "First Fruit" by Lionbutterfly: 7:12pm On Feb 08, 2018 |
superhumanist: John who gave as much as 1.5 mil naira as first fruit when he did not just start the job and is not his first salary is suddenly broke despite making as much as 1.5 mil naira monthly. Keep lying. 6 Likes 1 Share |
Re: My Painful Experience With The Doctrine Of "First Fruit" by superhumanist(m): 7:19pm On Feb 08, 2018 |
Lionbutterfly: Let me correct your lack of comprehension. If you had the sense to read clearly, you would have understood these 3 things from the story 1. It was clearly stated that John spends a lot. To him, an account balance of 700k is being broke. 2. It was a temporary brokeness. He was only broke at the moment, he will bounce back after a month or two. 3. It was never stated when he started his job. Ogbeni, leave my thread if you want to make a clown of yourself. 5 Likes |
Re: My Painful Experience With The Doctrine Of "First Fruit" by petra1(m): 7:27pm On Feb 08, 2018 |
superhumanist: That means he didn’t give all in church . Why lying. I am so pissed at how churches have brainwashed hardworking, educated people. It is also important to point out that as a big boy, John spends big When he spends BIG as a Big boy in buying drinks and co , you don’t seem to have problem with that ... hmm interesting ... and also borrows big..... So it’s a lifestyle to spend big and borrow Big . You are only pissed that this time it’s God he gave to ... and you’re angry and won’t lend to him as you would have done if he had spent the money on booze and so, I am burdened with lending him a huge amount till he recovers from the first fruit blow to his account. When he spent Big he wasn’t forced when he gave in church he wasn’t forced . Why get angry at church . If he gave to God in spirit and truth he will be blessed . [/quote] 9 Likes 1 Share |
Re: My Painful Experience With The Doctrine Of "First Fruit" by Lionbutterfly: 7:27pm On Feb 08, 2018 |
superhumanist: Now you are adding salt and Maggi to your story which by the way still remains a lie Someone who makes 1.5m naira monthly even with kids his kids and wife in tow cannot just go broke when that is not his first salary. Also for someone who makes 1.5m naira a month his friend circle would easily bail him out in times of need and not him coming to "a junior" as if he is going insane. Plus perhaps your story also means that his wife is broke as well? Suddenly he will bounce back in a month or two despite making as much as 1.5 mil naira monthly I guess your idea in this lie of him bouncing back is when he has 3mil in his account same way you said his idea of being broke is when he has 700k in his account. Ogbeni your lie is so fancy its qualified to be a designer lie. 8 Likes 2 Shares
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Re: My Painful Experience With The Doctrine Of "First Fruit" by Lionbutterfly: 7:29pm On Feb 08, 2018 |
petra1: Let him continue lying. His story has so many holes in them it's like a basket. 2 Likes |
Re: My Painful Experience With The Doctrine Of "First Fruit" by superhumanist(m): 7:32pm On Feb 08, 2018 |
Lionbutterfly: I know you want to derail. It is like you have not finished school and worked one day in your life with responsibilities. |
Re: My Painful Experience With The Doctrine Of "First Fruit" by superhumanist(m): 7:35pm On Feb 08, 2018 |
petra1: There is a clear difference in spending big and giving away almost all your money. At least, he has never spent 1.5 million on drinks unlike the first fruit. 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: My Painful Experience With The Doctrine Of "First Fruit" by Lionbutterfly: 7:40pm On Feb 08, 2018 |
superhumanist: Please do not and i repeat, do not invite me to any lying thread you open. Everyone can see the lies in your story and not just me. By the way this comment of yours Apparently, he gave [b]almost all of his income in January to his church in the name of first fruit and he became a bit broke during the period.[/b] This means that even the 1.5m you claim he gave to the church isn't his income but a part of it and since you said that to him, 700k in his account means he is broke which neccessitated his coming to you (as absurd as that sounds) so I will assume he makes 1.5mil plus 700k so he makes 2.2 mil monthly. Plus how did you know he gave almost all? Do you have access to his account? Lying seems to be the new fashion trend now. I am out. You can keep lying to whoever wishes to contribute to your lie. His imaginary wife did not complain to you, neither did his imaginary kids but suddenly this became YOUR PAINFUL EXPERIENCE. I never knew you had such compassion over a friend who borrows heavily and spends heavily simply because he gave an imaginary first fruit to an imaginary church. 7 Likes 1 Share |
Re: My Painful Experience With The Doctrine Of "First Fruit" by petra1(m): 7:44pm On Feb 08, 2018 |
superhumanist: Giving to God do involve sacrificial giving sometimes . It’s not about first fruit . Some people have been led to empty their account . Just like the story of the widow who have all she had . It’s only a temporal inconvenience . If you are led to give to him fine . But don’t blame the church or pastor . Because pastor gave his also |
Re: My Painful Experience With The Doctrine Of "First Fruit" by superhumanist(m): 7:46pm On Feb 08, 2018 |
petra1: Where in the Bible was first fruit given in money? This is all brainwashing. 1 Like |
Re: My Painful Experience With The Doctrine Of "First Fruit" by Seun(m): 8:09pm On Feb 08, 2018 |
Every first fruit story is a tragedy. Of course, giving away an entire month salary can make you go broke and have to beg your poorer friends for money. Christ Embassy workers in particular are known for this. The story is plausible. 9 Likes 6 Shares |
Re: My Painful Experience With The Doctrine Of "First Fruit" by Lionbutterfly: 8:35pm On Feb 08, 2018 |
Seun: From the OP
Please stop compounding his lies for him and there is nothing plausible about his story. If you are probably biased due to your finding religion despicable, say so and stop trying to support an obvious lie. *** Drops Mic *** 6 Likes 1 Share |
Re: My Painful Experience With The Doctrine Of "First Fruit" by superhumanist(m): 8:44pm On Feb 08, 2018 |
Lionbutterfly: Please leave the thread. First fruit does not mean all your income. https://www.naija.ng/amp/1114104-how-calculate-fruit-offering.html Swerve with your ignorance |
Re: My Painful Experience With The Doctrine Of "First Fruit" by Lionbutterfly: 9:15pm On Feb 08, 2018 |
superhumanist: You are the ignorant liar. If first fruit does not mean all, how did "your imaginary big boy friend" calculate his or how did you calculate it for him to mean he gave 1.5 mil naira when your story never said he told you how much he gave? Even you are compounding Your Own lies by yourself 4 Likes |
Re: My Painful Experience With The Doctrine Of "First Fruit" by petra1(m): 9:17pm On Feb 08, 2018 |
superhumanist: Numbers 18:15-16 2 Likes |
Re: My Painful Experience With The Doctrine Of "First Fruit" by Lionbutterfly: 10:18pm On Feb 08, 2018 |
petra1: Bible scholar. Great reference 1 Like |
Re: My Painful Experience With The Doctrine Of "First Fruit" by blessedvisky(m): 12:06am On Feb 09, 2018 |
Lionbutterfly: 2 Likes
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Re: My Painful Experience With The Doctrine Of "First Fruit" by blessedvisky(m): 12:21am On Feb 09, 2018 |
superhumanist:Bro You REALLY sound PAINED by the fact that you have to lend someone money. Going by your post, John has at least 3 means of stable income. I can also deduce that John trusts you a lot and sees you as Family. Now the real question is this WHY ARE YOU SO ANNOYED THAT SOMEONE WHO SPENDS ON YOU, TRUSTS YOU ENOUGH TO ASSIST IN A SIDE HUSTLE, AND IS OK WITH YOU KNOWING ROUGHLY HOW MUCH HE EARNS, IS BORROWING MONEY FROM YOU? Is there something you arent telling us ? Im making Some assumptions on thé type of "Friend" that you are but let me keep them First. I await your response 1 Like |
Re: My Painful Experience With The Doctrine Of "First Fruit" by blessedvisky(m): 12:24am On Feb 09, 2018 |
Seun: 1 Like
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Re: My Painful Experience With The Doctrine Of "First Fruit" by superhumanist(m): 1:03am On Feb 09, 2018 |
petra1: FALSE! Reading the whole chapter (Numbers 18) shows that the instructions there were for Aaron from God. It is clearly stated that the animals and fruits/grain were the first fruits that were offered to the lord. The shekels or money mentioned in verse 15-16 were for Aaron to redeem certain animals for himself- the money itself is not first fruit from the congregation of isreal 1 Like |
Re: My Painful Experience With The Doctrine Of "First Fruit" by superhumanist(m): 1:12am On Feb 09, 2018 |
Lionbutterfly: Oga, please learn to address matters and stop behaving like a scammer who dodges when being interrogated. Before you ask me any silly question about my friend, answer the question at hand Does first fruit mean all your income? Yes or No? (keep in mind that the hebrew perspective refers to only harvest not money and also that there is no set amount/percentage for first fruit) |
Re: My Painful Experience With The Doctrine Of "First Fruit" by superhumanist(m): 1:13am On Feb 09, 2018 |
Lionbutterfly: Please, learn to read your bible lest you get led astray in ignorance; superhumanist: 1 Like |
Re: My Painful Experience With The Doctrine Of "First Fruit" by superhumanist(m): 1:24am On Feb 09, 2018 |
blessedvisky: The problem here is that he is borrowing when he should not have needed to. There is no difference between first fruit and gambling. Would you lend money to a gambler? The first fruit has put him and his family at risk. Financial risk. It is one thing to borrow a minimal amount and another thing to borrow a whole month of a higher earner's salary. It is easy to lend in thousands but not in millions. 1 Like |
Re: My Painful Experience With The Doctrine Of "First Fruit" by connectikut89(m): 2:11am On Feb 09, 2018 |
petra1: If I call you mumu now you'll say I'm being carnal and insulting. You are a blind fool and will never change. How is the verse you have mentioned congruent to what Pastors of nowadays call First fruits? 1. The verse there says only firstborn children and unclean beasts were reedemable with money. It didn't mention money as the primary first fruit. Giving money as first fruit was on the conditional instance that one had to redeem a firstborn child or a firstborn unclean beast. 2. Consequently, there's a good chance that many Israelites would not have had to redeem their first fruits with money for years and it's very easy to decipher that, except for someone who ain't got the sense God gave geese. So, my conclusion on this matter is that this agenda of giving money primarily as firstfruits is a lie from the pit of hell. It is not biblical, not a Christian tenet (of course if it was you would not be loath to mention a bible verse that corroborates it from the New Testament. Good luck finding that if you ever will) and smacks of duplicity. Frauds!! 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: My Painful Experience With The Doctrine Of "First Fruit" by petra1(m): 6:02am On Feb 09, 2018 |
connectikut89: Matthew 5:22 but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire. 2 Timothy 2:24 24 And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient, I know you’re still growing but The word of God doesn not require fight. Excersice some fruits of the spirit . And restrain or I can’t discuss with you. Post your point with biblical references let the viewer judge . . How is the verse you have mentioned congruent to what Pastors of nowadays call First fruits? Money has always been exchange . God accepted money for tithes offerings and first fruits . Any giving to God can be quantified in money . God dealt with Isreal as a nation of farmers . All first things belong to God . Even first born belong to God and they shouid be Killed . But by redemption money could be given . 2 Likes |
Re: My Painful Experience With The Doctrine Of "First Fruit" by petra1(m): 6:17am On Feb 09, 2018 |
superhumanist: The reference I gave just explained a principle to answer the question I was asked . If money was used for first fruit . Yes ! Is firstborn not a first fruit? Was money paid ? Yes ! People gave to God in Agro produce because they were farmers . And they still have option of redeeming it by cash . Money has alsways been used for offerings and tithes . But primarily they gave Agro produce . Anything can be given to God . If it can be used in the sevhce of God but what God can’t used can be replaced by cash . It’s not every crop that God accept and not very animal that God accepted . Cash was used in place of the unclean animals . Just like the human first born 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: My Painful Experience With The Doctrine Of "First Fruit" by Lionbutterfly: 6:20am On Feb 09, 2018 |
petra1: You really have time to engage the OP who opened this lying thread. |
Re: My Painful Experience With The Doctrine Of "First Fruit" by Lionbutterfly: 6:21am On Feb 09, 2018 |
[quote author=blessedvisky post=64906375][/quote] I just said it as it really is |
Re: My Painful Experience With The Doctrine Of "First Fruit" by superhumanist(m): 8:00am On Feb 09, 2018 |
petra1: In all the instances, first fruit has always been agric produce or farm animals. The shekels in the verse you mentioned was clearly not for first fruit but rather the preists share of the first fruit. 1 Like |
Re: My Painful Experience With The Doctrine Of "First Fruit" by superhumanist(m): 8:01am On Feb 09, 2018 |
Lionbutterfly: Keep making a clown of yourself. See how you are dodging like a scammer. Oga, there is no where in the Bible that first fruit is money. That is a fact. |
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