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Re: Plan To Install Yoruba Oba In Ilorin Not Over- Afonja Descendant by Nowenuse: 8:42pm On Feb 11, 2018 |
peterphd: No, I am from Plateau. Hmmm, not at the moment. Google is always your friend, you can search whatever topic you are interested in about history. That was the way I stumbled upon a lot of the rescources which helped to enlighten me. I have lost my list of historical archived e-documents and bookmarks. 1 Like |
Re: Plan To Install Yoruba Oba In Ilorin Not Over- Afonja Descendant by Nowenuse: 9:01pm On Feb 11, 2018 |
JikanBaura: You are just saying rubbish. There is no group of christians in the north, whether maguzawa, dakarkari, marghi, kataf, tangale or whatever, who sees hausa muslims as their brothers! We used to do so in the past, but not now that our eyes have been open to the evil and satanic agenda of you Hausa-fulani muslims. Nonsense! Also, make no mistake and don't brag rubbish here. Hausa-fulanis have and can never absorb any christian group in the north. The only group of people that Hausas have culturally absorbed are the Bauchi muslims. There is no way any christian community or any tribe that has christian population in the north can be absorbed by Hausa. Hausa islamic culture and christian culture cannot mix! They are not mixable. Why have Southern Kaduna people not been absorbed? Why have Zuru people not been absorbed in Kebbi & Zamfara? Why have Kurama people in Kano not been absorbed? Why have the Sayawa and other christian tribes in Bauchi south not been absorbed? These are people who share boundary with Hausa land, yet they have still maintainned their identity, culture & languages. 1 Like |
Re: Plan To Install Yoruba Oba In Ilorin Not Over- Afonja Descendant by Dirkcoyt: 10:11pm On Feb 11, 2018 |
Nowenuse: I'm not from the north but served there, zuru to be precise. Now , I repeat ! no Christian zuru(darkrakari) man loves a Muslim Hausa man, even the love between a Muslim zuru man and Christian zuru man is shaky. A town under zuru emirate called wasagu is evenly shared between the Muslim and the Christian, the Christian are mostly found around tundunwada. this area is the only place to find the only two churches in the town namely catholic and YMCA. The pagan zuru men are still found around , hey walk in leather short around their waist, largely uneducated with only farm labourers as work. the zuru people are largely shortchanged in kebbi state due to their large Christian population despite having big wig military men. Their is no love between a Muslim and Christian as far as zuru people is concerned what you see is fake friendship. To me, zuru people are of middlebelt stock. zuru people are good people. And the Christian don't joke with their religion despite torment. I've seen a teacher denies promotion cause he's a Christian in zuru, I've seen student not given aviation slot in zuru because he's David and not Ibrahim. zuru people I love you and I pray you realize you dream. 3 Likes |
Re: Plan To Install Yoruba Oba In Ilorin Not Over- Afonja Descendant by JikanBaura(m): 1:30am On Feb 12, 2018 |
Nowenuse: Cristian culture, What culture does Christians have? Is it the British language you adopted or the western cloth, you called cristian culture. Christians never wears cloth or speaks the western language you called cristian culture. Jesus never speaks English, wear English cloth or own a church. Whether tribes around hausa maintain their identity or don't we hausa will remind them who they are. We don't plan to absorb any tribe that's why said nobody should claim us just because they can speak our language. Like the other fraud called satellite who said he is Christian but at thesame time claim to be Hausa Maguzawa (pagan hausa) claiming two religion who is he fooling. Him and other northern Christians like you manage to avoid Islamic religion for you perceived it as (Hausa religion) , You failed to avoid Hausa language. (You aren't a real hater) Talking about culture and religion. Your people have for long bieng forced to dump their language, Pagansm religion in exchange for western civilization and unfortunately for you in the next 50 years from now their will be a total extinction of your tribe languages , Cultures In favor of western civilization, in years to come you will be no different from you distance cousins in America and Britain that were taken for slavery and lost everything about their culture, language. Anyway Hausa and English had already made other northern language obsolete. I'm proud Hausa whom have keep his culture and language whereever im today and so will always brag about it |
Re: Plan To Install Yoruba Oba In Ilorin Not Over- Afonja Descendant by JikanBaura(m): 1:47am On Feb 12, 2018 |
macof: Obas in Kwara state are villages chiefs/heads compare Emir of Illorin They all are mire servants and Infact an emir can punished, disgrace and impeach them. nothing will happen. I have a say, illorin is under SOkoto caliphate and I'm decendernt of Abdullahin Gwandu. Show some respect. ko Kaci |
Re: Plan To Install Yoruba Oba In Ilorin Not Over- Afonja Descendant by Konquest: 12:14pm On Feb 12, 2018 |
Nowenuse:^^^^^^ ^^^^^^ @Nowenuse Thanks for this very brilliant post... Look at the Gbagyis or Gwaris who are the indigenes of Abuja... they are now being margnalised in their land, and some emir has been installed. I saw them protesting massively on AIT this year. They do not even have representation in the Senate or the National assembly as of 2018. Even the citizens of Washington DC have representation in their National Assembly. The British have already left Nigeria since 1960 but they created the disaster of indirect rule by using the Fulani to collect taxes as part of their global imperialistic agenda. If British colonial rule has ended in much of Africa, it is time for the indigenous ethnicities of the areas in Nigeria where you have Fulani/mixed-blood Fulani rulers over a majority population of indigenous people like in Ilorin, Kano [as of 2018] to end! It was the military rule that helped to prop-up the Fulani rulership after 1960 but it has to end this century in all of the old Northern Nigeria Region. The Justice Ekundayo Panel Report stated that the Yoruba should have their Oba in Ilorin, but the military did not implement it. Funnily the British through the British Governor Sir Gibert Thomas Carter of Lagos also acknowledged that Ilorin is a Yoruba town and should be merged with their kith and kin in the West of Nigeria, but Sir George Goldie said that Ilorin is within his area of trading influence of the Royal Niger Company. This is how the British arbitrarilly governed Nigeria in a shambolic manner and left people scattered. 3 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Plan To Install Yoruba Oba In Ilorin Not Over- Afonja Descendant by macof(m): 1:58pm On Feb 12, 2018 |
JikanBaura: You are very stupid. I dont blame your semi-educated self, its afonja i blame . One mumu from sokoto now talking about what doesnt concern his forefathers 4 Likes |
Re: Plan To Install Yoruba Oba In Ilorin Not Over- Afonja Descendant by Windflower(f): 11:17pm On Feb 12, 2018 |
laydoh:Ifelodun |
Re: Plan To Install Yoruba Oba In Ilorin Not Over- Afonja Descendant by Windflower(f): 11:19pm On Feb 12, 2018 |
Mccollins042:Hybrid kwaaa,definitely not possible 1 Like |
Re: Plan To Install Yoruba Oba In Ilorin Not Over- Afonja Descendant by Windflower(f): 11:27pm On Feb 12, 2018 |
Vado:Lol,seriously annoying. Are you from there too |
Re: Plan To Install Yoruba Oba In Ilorin Not Over- Afonja Descendant by laydoh(m): 11:33pm On Feb 12, 2018 |
Windflower:i tot as much,wia in ifelodun! but u dnt live dia,ryt? |
Re: Plan To Install Yoruba Oba In Ilorin Not Over- Afonja Descendant by Demmzy15(m): 12:22am On Feb 13, 2018 |
JikanBaura:That's not true, there are many Yoruba Obas in Kwara that are independent of the Emir. Kwara was formed in 1967, so the emir doesn't extend beyond some lands. It's similar to how the Sokoto Caliphate doesn't extend to some areas in the north. |
Re: Plan To Install Yoruba Oba In Ilorin Not Over- Afonja Descendant by Nobody: 12:46am On Feb 13, 2018 |
Macof, Scholes0 & Konquest, I did not go looking for anything but while going through my FB timeline I stumbled on a muslim from Ilorin, one who appears to me like he carries weight over there and across Nigeria. He has a lot of posts on Ilorin and he has numerous pictures of him at seminars with diginitaries such as Governors and the likes. He has a large following, mostly Yoruba of Ilorin stock who are in tandem with his posts. I do not know if it will be right to share a link to his page here but I will post some of us his stuff here and maybe send you links by PM? ———————————- For example:
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Re: Plan To Install Yoruba Oba In Ilorin Not Over- Afonja Descendant by Nobody: 12:49am On Feb 13, 2018 |
Macof, Scholes0 & Konquest, From this post, we can conclude there was a change of names of places in Ilorin to wipe traces of Yoruba ownership. ORIGINATED NAME ILORIN. CHANGE. Una go gats ignore the man typos o. 1 Like |
Re: Plan To Install Yoruba Oba In Ilorin Not Over- Afonja Descendant by Nobody: 12:55am On Feb 13, 2018 |
Scholes0, Macof & Konquest KWARA STATE HAVE NINE BOUNDARY,ADJUSTMENT TO REMOVE AMBIGUITIES IN DEVOLUTION OF POWERS. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Plan To Install Yoruba Oba In Ilorin Not Over- Afonja Descendant by Nobody: 12:56am On Feb 13, 2018 |
This one is particularly interesting. Konquest, Macof & Scholes0 OBA YORUBA IN KWARA STATE········ 114 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Plan To Install Yoruba Oba In Ilorin Not Over- Afonja Descendant by Nobody: 12:58am On Feb 13, 2018 |
Konquest, Macof & Scholes0 YORUBA OCCUPIERS 6,019 COMPOUND IN ILORIN. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Plan To Install Yoruba Oba In Ilorin Not Over- Afonja Descendant by Vado(m): 1:07am On Feb 13, 2018 |
Windflower: Yes I am . Morning morn. |
Re: Plan To Install Yoruba Oba In Ilorin Not Over- Afonja Descendant by Konquest: 1:44pm On Feb 13, 2018 |
Y0ruba:^^^^^ ^^^^^ @Y0ruba Thanks for the 5 shares on this info about Ilorin/Kwara State demographic/population distribution and history from a first-hand source on FB. But did he indicate book "Sources or References?" Thanks again! |
Re: Plan To Install Yoruba Oba In Ilorin Not Over- Afonja Descendant by Konquest: 1:48pm On Feb 13, 2018 |
sasalite:^^^^^^ ^^^^^^ @Sasalite Thank you for this illuminating info in your response to @Nowenuse on the original Kanawas, the Maguzawas and the Hausa [Habe ruling dynasty]. I have read some things about the Hausa Maguzawas before and after the pre-Fulani invasion of Kano/North years back. I had my secondary education in a Federal School in Kano years back while living in Lagos, so I met a lot of guys in school who are now top professionals/politicians, etc. I understand some Hausa as well because it is easy to understand or learn. I'm still nostalgic about my days in Kano! 1] Kindly let me know if it will still be possible for the original Hausa [Hausawa] to have their own Sarkin Kano again? 2] Did you know that Gen. Murtala Mohammed's father is originally a Birom from Jos South? It was when he converted to Islam in Jos that he had to leave because it was a taboo in Birom culture and he came to Kano. I read this information in a copy of The SUN in 2004. I still have the interview that the Journalist had with the extended family members of Gen. Murtala's father in Jos and they said the fathers land is still in Jos for them to come and inherit. 3] Are the Yakassai family in Kano who are of Jukun origin considered to be Hausa people now? 4] Can you confirm if it is true that Gen. IBB and his cousin Gen. Abdulsalam Abubakar' ancestors originally came from Kano and moved to Niger State. I saw this documentary on TV over 10 years ago where this was stated. Kano - "Kanawan Dabo"! "Kanawan Dabo" [means "Real Hausa From Kano"] All the best! |
Re: Plan To Install Yoruba Oba In Ilorin Not Over- Afonja Descendant by Nobody: 8:32am On Feb 14, 2018 |
JikanBaura:verily what u said doesnt have any evidence,and it is not true,oba of ilorin doesn't have no power on the rest of kings in kwara,and ilorin being under sokoto,that's old sokoto and that's past,british has conquered it. |
Re: Plan To Install Yoruba Oba In Ilorin Not Over- Afonja Descendant by Nobody: 8:34am On Feb 14, 2018 |
Sasalite despite your hatred for islam,even if u chase fulani kings,muslim will still be kings in hausa lands,deal with that. |
Re: Plan To Install Yoruba Oba In Ilorin Not Over- Afonja Descendant by Nobody: 5:25pm On Feb 14, 2018 |
Mallam abdelrahman, am glad that you understand clearly that my hatred is directed towards Islam and not Muslims. I hate any idea or belief that makes it hard for people to respect others. That being said, you can now understand that I am not against a Hausa Muslim being my earthly king because that is the right thing to be considering the fact that majority of the Hausas are Muslims and the king can believe whatever he wants, so far he does not toy with our cultures. Am interested in the preservation of the Hausa culture and traditions which Fulani Islamic monarchs try to eliminate in the name of religion, yet they preserve theirs. So stop making assumptions. abdelrahman: |
Re: Plan To Install Yoruba Oba In Ilorin Not Over- Afonja Descendant by Nobody: 5:39pm On Feb 14, 2018 |
sasalite:i understand you bro,but you know that fulani conquered by using islam as shied,for the fact that islam was in hausa land b4,you know they also invaded borno empire that have islam since like 14th century,you should now understand that it's not because of islam but power that they are looking for. |
Re: Plan To Install Yoruba Oba In Ilorin Not Over- Afonja Descendant by Nobody: 5:57pm On Feb 14, 2018 |
JikanƁaura, bisa ga dukan alamu, na fahimci kai ne ainihin mara kunya, babban jahili kuma. Na tabbatar kana ɗaya daga cikin mutanen nan mazauna birni waɗanda ba su taɓa fita daga birni ba, balle su san me yake faruwa a waje (kifin rijiya). To bari in ilimintar da kai. Na san Musulmi Bahaushe fiye da yadda kake tunani, na kuma san halin irin ku. Kana cewa ba kwa nuna ƙyama ga maguzawa amma da bakinka ka faɗa cewa kuna kiransu maguzawa "to show disdain that he is not from the Hausa tribe". Ina fatan ka san ma'anar kalmar "disdain" a turance, da kuma abin da ake nufi da "to show .... that he is not from the Hausa tribe" meaning to disown a person. By merely reading your post am convinced that your are a seriously misinformed Hausa man at best or a seriously brainwashed illiterate at worst. You are nobody to tell me about my origin because I know who I am; a pure bakutumbe of the maidawa clan (if you know what that means in Hausa). Go get yourself informed my friend. JAHILI, je ka tambaye kakanninka su gaya maka asalinka. JikanBaura: 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Plan To Install Yoruba Oba In Ilorin Not Over- Afonja Descendant by Nowenuse: 12:51pm On Feb 15, 2018 |
Dirkcoyt: You are very correct. Zuru people are supposed to be in Niger state. As a matter of fact, there were under Niger province during the colonial period. Some Zurus are still in Niger & some in Zamfara. During the division of the old north-western state into Sokoto & Niger states. Sokoto was meant for Hausas while Niger was meant for the minorities. As usual, Hausa-fulanis cheated the minorities and today they have Zamfara & Kebbi states from Old Sokoto state and they carved some Niger state minorities into Kebbi & Zamfara south in order to make the states bigger in population. This is why Zuru people alongside other Kainji speaking tribes like Kambari, Dukawa, Shingini, Kadara & Kamuku in both Kebbi south & Niger north have been fighting for their own Kainji state. This state was recommended for creation in the 2014 national confab. The past generations were completely deceived, this our generation are getting wiser and we must change a lot of things. |
Re: Plan To Install Yoruba Oba In Ilorin Not Over- Afonja Descendant by Nowenuse: 1:17pm On Feb 15, 2018 |
JikanBaura: Absolute nonsense. You just type any trash that comes into your head as I have observed. You lack coherent cognition. There is only 1 point I am going to respond to in your speech cos the others are trash. See, our people never chose Hausa language to be imposed on us, it was done by the British in connivance with the fulani emirs because they wanted a unified administrative region. The christian missionaries who came to the middlebelt (Plateau, Taraba, Southern kaduna axis specifically) and saw how ethnically diverse the people were, they wanted to use NGAS LANGUAGE (one of the major languages in Plateau state) , as the sole language for evangelism. This was because the Sudan united missionaries first landed in Pankshin and had learnt Ngas and first translated the English bible to Ngas. There was an Ngas bible first before a Hausa bible existed. Had it been that the British allowed this evangelism with Ngas language, by now, almost all northern christians would have been speaking Ngas language by now and would have been heavily united as one people. Cos, prior to christianity, Plateau people and most northern christian tribes never spoke hausa. Christianity was what brought about the use of Hausa language. This was exactly what the British wanted to avoid. They did not want to have 2 large major ethnic groups in their monolithic north, as it would affect their administrative convenience of indirect rule. It was a pure British handwork. Cos fulani jihadists were defeated and disgraced by Plateau tribes and many other northern christian tribes during Danfodio's spread of islam. Cc sasalite, konquest, Dirkcoyt 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Plan To Install Yoruba Oba In Ilorin Not Over- Afonja Descendant by Nowenuse: 1:33pm On Feb 15, 2018 |
Konquest: You are correct. However, I think, Gbagyis of FCT have a senator, in the person of Sen. Philip Aduda. But that guy is just nothing but a disgrace to me, cos I cannot see anything reasonable that he has done to better the lives and secure the interests of his people. See how fat he is, just embezzling funds. And the most annoying part of it is that he is serving his 3rd term now. His people just keep on voting him cos he is a gbagyi man and most times, he is the only Gbagyi contestant for that position. The case of Ilorin and millions of yorubas in Kwara & Kogi being added to northern population (with which the Hausa-fulani politicians use to boast of 19 northern states is just very embarrassing). Sometimes I wonder whether these Fulani elites are using juju for we southerners & middlebelters. How can these people just be intimidating and holding all the rest of us ransome?...... Sometimes I feel our education is useless towards these people. Our own leaders sold us to these people cos of peanuts, fear & cowardice. I sincerely hope our own generation would be able to rectify and put an end to all these. 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Plan To Install Yoruba Oba In Ilorin Not Over- Afonja Descendant by Nowenuse: 1:51pm On Feb 15, 2018 |
Konquest: 1) It would be impossible for Kano to ever have a Hausa Sarki anymore. Except under these conditions; > A very strong group of pro pre-danfodio Hausa identity start up with both a strong militant & enlightened members support base and are able to win more & more indigenous Hausas to their cause. It has to be a strong ideology. And it has to start from Hausa muslims themselves. (Now, the large illiteracy in Hausa land is a big setback factor to this kind of struggle). Cos, it is easier to brainwash illiterates with religion, as the fulani elites have succesfully done with the Hausa masses. Why do you think the fulani elites have denied the Hausa masses quality western education? ....... Cos the day the Hausa masses receive quality education and high social standard, they will begin to ask questions. And this will most likely lead to a revolution as many anti-fulani school of thoughts will spring up. > 2ndly, the middlebelt and south will largely work towards the reduction of the influence of the caliphate, first of all by removing all northern minorities from the influence of the caliphate and cutting the fulani oligarchy into size. Now, this 2nd option will hardly ever succeed, as it may lead to a full scale war of religion. Fulani elites are masters of using and manipulating religion to their cause. They will easily manipulate the illiterate hausa masses and other muslim masses to see this as a war against islam, rather than a war against fulani oligarchy. So, any war to lliberate Hausa land must start from within and literacy is the first step. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Plan To Install Yoruba Oba In Ilorin Not Over- Afonja Descendant by googi: 1:56pm On Feb 15, 2018 |
The way Nigerians explain our helplessness is to blame Fulani juju on us. |
Re: Plan To Install Yoruba Oba In Ilorin Not Over- Afonja Descendant by Nowenuse: 2:12pm On Feb 15, 2018 |
Konquest: 2) Yes, there are rumours that Murtala's father was a Birom man from Plateau who converted to islam and relocated. No credible sources has confirmed any of this especially from his own immediate family. Some rumours also claim Murtala's father is from Auchi, Edo state. His mother is actually proven to be from there, but that of his father being from Edo has not been proven. 3) Kwararafa (led by the Jukuns) was once a great kingdom which conquered parts of Hausa land. Kano was once under Jukun control. So, many Kano people have jukun ancestry. So, I don't know if the Yakassai were of the older Jukun settlements in Kano, or were later migrants. Kano (as well as the entire Hausaland) and Bauchi are places that accept anyone as long as you have a pure islamic/hausa name, you are a muslim and you speak Hausa language fluently. Ibrahim Shekarau (former governor of Kano) was ancestrally a Bura man from Borno. Sabo Bakin Zuwo (former governor of Kano) was of Nupe origin from Bida. I have relatives from Plateau state who have indigeneship certificates for Kano, Bauchi & Katsina and even receive yearly bursary embursements in school. Just because they are muslims. 4) IBB & Abdulsalami. are both most likely of Hausa-fulani origin (from Sokoto state). But maternally, they are of gbagyi origin. Niger state was together with Sokoto, Zamfara & Kebbi as one state for some time, and many Hausa fulanis migrated into Niger areas. Infact, this migration has began long before now. Most Niger state indigenes know this, but because many of them are muslims, they say nothing about it (in the name of islamic bond). Niger state has for long been heavily infiltrated by Hausa fulanis through intermarriage. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Plan To Install Yoruba Oba In Ilorin Not Over- Afonja Descendant by JikanBaura(m): 2:54pm On Feb 15, 2018 |
Go Nowenuse: You don't feel ashamed to lie, Christians plateau tribe with no name , no kingdom , primates defeated and disgraced a caliphate. Name the fulani jahadist that's was defeated and the Christians that defeated him. Cristian community don't even exist during those times its just that you are bloody illtreated , dunce plz I don't discuss with shameless liars. Quote me no more . |
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