Kobojunkie:

For anyone to compare Lagos with a state such as Imo state(for instance) one would have to come up with a way of matching resource levels here. I mentioned earlier that compared to states in the East, Imo included, Lagos has NOTHING. So how can I then make a fair comparison there?

I only pointed out that Lagos was doing great for a state seriously limited in terms of the level of resources available to it. The current governor has been able to acheieve quit a lot in just 2 years and so is blazing the trail for development in Nigeria.

Bull. If Lagos is limited in resources, then Igbo states must actually be starving of resources. Apart from human resources, please mention some of the things Igbo states have that stand them out and thus should make them develop more than others. Lagos has far more human resources than individual Igbo states (=more tax), the presence of the FGN, the fact that oil companies failed to relocate their offices to their sites of production, the seaports, etc.

Ezeuche dont be deceived. KB =male=Laudate.

Why are you STILL trying to compare Lagos with Ibo states? What about comparing the states in the East with other states with comparable resources?

Oh, now I am no longer the @Poster? ROFLMAO!!!

You are the one comparing Lagos and Igbo states. I asked you why you do so and why not other Yoruba states? So now I ask you the basis for the comparison. Stop confusing yourself, ok?

I NEVER did that   . . . . I told you I believe Lagos has NOTHING compared to the Ibo states . . . A Comparison of that sort cannot be fairly achieved considering what we have available to us.  Pointing out that even with NOTHING, Lagos has gone on to achieve quite a lot for itself, irrespective of how much we want to believe the FG has done/continues to do/will do for Lagos, is honest.

Lagos was built off of Igbo money. And don't these Yorubas ever forget that. The same goes for Port Harcourt and now Abuja!

We Igbos are developers. Just not in our own land.

KB,

I do not understand when you say Lagos has nothing and Igbo states have something. Please mention specifics. Thanks
Plus, please tell me how you would compare Igbo states to other SW states (ex-Lagos)

I am not here to COMPARE states to STATES. I am here to compare level of development obtained within  a state COMPARED to amount of resources available to that particular state. Does that help you understand better now? If we invest $1 Million dollars into a state, are we getting $1 Million dollars or close worth of development out or are we getting so much less that it might as well be considered nothing. That is how to best measure development when it comes to Nigerian states, and even Ibo states.

I know you are laudate and I said you could be the op. I have not changed that notion. Thanks

Ok, so how come you lump all Igbo states as one and try to compare them to Lagos only? Why not other SW states?
Lagos has the pop, seaports, fish in th sea, huge industrial base. Now tell me what Igbo states (or one specific Igbo state) have/has that is comparable

mekuszyx:

Ok, so how come you lump all Igbo states as one and try to compare them to Lagos only? Why not other SW states?
Lagos has the pop, seaports, fish in th sea, huge industrial base. Now tell me what Igbo states (or one specific Igbo state) have/has that is comparable

Where?

Kobojunkie:

You have been comparing ibo (as you choose to call it) states with Lagos. I have not read you comparing a specific Igbo state with Lagos.

Now please go back and respond to these questions

1. Lagos has the population to generate huge revenues, seaports, fishin th sea and other water-based touristic potentials, a huge industrial base. Now tell me what Igbo states (or one specific Igbo state) have/has that is comparable
2. TO WHAT EXTENT CAN YOU SEPARATE THE DEVELOPMENTS THAT EXISTED IN LAGOS AS A FORMER FED CAPITAL FROM THE CURRENT ONES?
3. Why the fixation on Lagos? What about other SW states?

Again, WHERE?  It seems you are only willing to read the parts that please you.  Rather, I want you to show me where exactly I tell you that comparing Lagos to Ibo land is what I am doin, even after I have repeatedly stated that such a comparison would be UNFAIR because I believe Lagos does not have close to what many of those states have. In fact, I made it clear, more than twice that Lagos has NOTHING compared to the Ibo land states.

You have been writing that lagos has nothing compared to ibo states. What is that?

For anyone to compare Lagos with a state such as Imo state(for instance) one would have to come up with a way of matching resource levels here. I mentioned earlier that compared to states in the East, Imo included, Lagos has NOTHING. So how can I then make a fair comparison there?

I only pointed out that Lagos was, and is doing great for a state seriously limited in terms of the level of resources available to it. The current governor has been able to acheieve quit a lot in just 2 years and so is blazing the trail for development in Nigeria. You cannot deny that fact.

Lagos has nothing compared to Imo? Please explain

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Another Derailed thread, the poster said igbo states are lagging behind; if u think is true or false, back up your opinions with proofs, now , why the comparison of igbo and yoruba states?? For me i think its true in terms of infastructures like bridges dams flyovers and agricultural dev.

SLIGHT:

Another Derailed thread, the poster said igbo states are lagging behind; if u think is true or false, back up your opinions with proofs, now , why the comparison of igbo and yoruba states?? For me i think its true in terms of infastructures like bridges dams flyovers and agricultural dev.

If you do not know what to say just keep quiet.Imagine flyover.Do you build flyover just for the sake of building it?

As for dams tell me a dam in any state where the exist that has been built by the state government.

As for bridges i have nothing to say to you.You need to travel before you make statements.

As for agricultural development you may have a point.

And poster said lagging behind.Lagging behind who?

I think people need to be specific and also leave Lagos completely out of it because it is a former capital city and most of the infrastructure that we see today is actually from that time.

People keep throwing the word resources around, but not really specifying what exactly they are referring to. Also I dont really know why some people are expecting Igbo states to be ahead of anyone else. what is this notion hinged on? What is it that they recieve in far more abundance than non Igbo states, that they should in turn have more to show for it? Even though Igbo states had to basically start from scratch at some point in time.

I know when some people talk of Igbo, its not who others refer to as Igbo.


Here is a ;list of the GDP's of all states in order in 2007.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Nigerian_states_by_GDP

londoner:

I think people need to be specific and also leave Lagos completely out of it because it is a former capital city and most of the infrastructure that we see today is actually from that time.

People keep throwing the word resources around, but not really specifying what exactly they are referring to. Also I dont really know why some people are expecting Igbo states to be ahead of anyone else. what is this notion hinged on? What is it that they recieve in far more abundance than non Igbo states, that they should in turn have more to show for it? Even though Igbo states had to basically start from scratch at some point in time.

I know when some people talk of Igbo, its not who others refer to as Igbo.


Here is a ;list of the GDP's of all states in order in 2007.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Nigerian_states_by_GDP

A lot of people continue to talk about Lagos without giving considerations to its boundaries. Apologies for lifting a reply I gave to a similar point on another thread. I do not disagree with the rest of your post. Anyone postulating Igbo states are lagging behind is either being naive or disingenuous. There is decay, lack of a sturdy infrastructure, and mis-management of projects all over Nigeria. Some states appear to be doing slightly better than others but generally, office holders are all incompetent.

Lagos municipality was governed by federal ministry of lagos affairs while the lagos city council governed the city of lagos. Metropolitan areas of Lagos such as Ikeja, Agege, Epe, Ikorodu, Shomolu, and Badagry were under the western regional government. Lagos state was created like the other states in 1967 by virtue of decree 14. Lagos Island (not lagos state) ceased to be the capital of Nigeria in 1976.

So to surmise, the federal government was responsible for the development of a small part of Lagos state and not the whole state. Can you point to the FG developments on Lagos mainland? Ikoyi was developed by the British while Lagos state developed Victoria island. So firstly, the western govt was responsible for some development and secondly Lagos state through the allocation it receives (like other states) developed the remaining areas of Lagos. Also take into cognisance that Lagos state is the smallest state in Nigeria.

@katsumoto, but when people talk about lagos, are they really talking about development they see in Lagos state as a whole?

Still dont know specifically what people are referring to when they say Igbo states have more expected of them or more resources, I cant for the life of me think how??. Are these the same people who lump groups of people together as "Igbo" simply because they are not from the North or Yorubaland?

Andre Uweh:

Onitsha was a town that was reduced to ground Zero by the enemy forces during the Nigerian civil war. But today, what do you see at Onitsha?. Is it 5,6,7 storey buildings.
If towns such as Shagamu or Zaria had gone through what Onitsha went through during the war, do you think they would have attained the same height at which they are today?.
So who is lagging behind?.

@ Andre Uweh:

 Lol. One day, because of You, I wont be surprised if I keeled over from laughter induced heart attack! So, springing up 5 or 6 story buildings (1 or 2 floors higher than the average New England residential mansions) in Ibo land is now an synonymous with "development"?!? Heres to assuming Lagos (I've seen loads of pictures of its "downtown" can be compared to Tokyo or New York!!!? *snickering*. I just fell ova for real. . . . . .

@All, please state what you mean by 'development', it means different things for different people.

londoner:

@katsumoto, but when people talk about lagos, are they really talking about development they see in Lagos state as a whole?

Still dont know specifically what people are referring to when they say Igbo states have more expected of them or more resources, I cant for the life of me think how??. Are these the same people who lump groups of people together as "Igbo" simply because they are not from the North or Yorubaland?

The point I am trying to make is that, the federal government was only responsible for a small section of Lagos state (Lagos island) but people ignorantly claim all of Lagos was developed by the Federal government.

@ Kobojunkie and bk/babe97,

It's not Ibo but Igbo,

londoner:

I think people need to be specific and also leave Lagos completely out of it because it is a former capital city and most of the infrastructure that we see today is actually from that time.

Leave Lagos completely out of it ? Fine by me. As someone already said, this thread ought to be about Ibo states, not COMPARING states. But that should not mean we cannot mention that development in happening to some extent in the same country, which is what I have tried doing there, and even the poster hinted at in the beginning.

londoner:

People keep throwing the word resources around, but not really specifying what exactly they are referring to. Also I dont really know why some people are expecting Igbo states to be ahead of anyone else. what is this notion hinged on?  

No people are throwing the word 'resources' around. In Nigeria, I think it is quite clear Natural resources, Monthly allocations, work force/skilled work force (as claimed by some out there). I mentioned some of this already. . .  it is on this same thread.

londoner:

What is it that they recieve in far more abundance than non Igbo states, that they should in turn have more to show for it? Even though Igbo states had to basically start from scratch at some point in time.
I know when some people talk of Igbo, its not who others refer to as Igbo.

Enough  with the boundary moving already  . . .  Ibo states are Ibo states -- All states in the Eastern belt! Whether they had to start over almost 50 years ago or not are Eastern/Ibo States in general.

Kobojunkie:

I don't know you but what you have above is saddest CROCK of bull! What has a 50-year-old war to do with development today in a city so densely populated? We are speaking of level of development obtained after injection of millions dollars into the state, and state's own attempts at revenue generation. How has that money been spent so far is the question here, not how we can ring out another excuse for mediocrity by injecting, for the millionth time, from almost 50-year-old war.

The @Poster is probably an Ibo who cares so much about the decay he sees in his states and villages. And you are here throwing in Sagamu and Zaria so as to what? Make him FEEL better about the decay he sees in his home state? Make him ACCEPT MEDIOCRE state of living in his City because some city, hundreds of miles away is just as bad? If that is not stupidity, I don't know what else is.

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Kobojunkie

Stop being evasive. Please answer my questions. If you have no answers, please kindly say so.

1. You said Lagos has nothing compared to Imo? Please explain
2. Lagos has the population to generate huge revenues, seaports, fishin th sea and other water-based touristic potentials, a huge industrial base. Now tell me what Igbo states (or one specific Igbo state) have/has that is comparable
3. TO WHAT EXTENT CAN YOU SEPARATE THE DEVELOPMENTS THAT EXISTED IN LAGOS AS A FORMER FED CAPITAL FROM THE CURRENT ONES?
4. Why the fixation on Lagos? What about other SW states?

I have reposted these questions over and over for you and you pretend not to see them.

londoner:

@katsumoto, but when people talk about lagos, are they really talking about development they see in Lagos state as a whole?

Now apply the same when talking of individual Ibo states. It is really that simple!

londoner:

Still dont know specifically what people are referring to when they say Igbo states have more expected of them or more resources, I cant for the life of me think how??. Are these the same people who lump groups of people together as "Igbo" simply because they are not from the North or Yorubaland?

Oh boy!!! @Londoner, are you simply trying to continue derailing for as long as you can or something? I am really tired of people trying to move the mark most every debate on Ibos. Let us just agree to go with Ibo States being the States in the Eastern belt of Nigeria. Last I checked, the country has 3 major languages Hausa, Yoruba and Ibo. Ibo’s are usually in the Eastern region of the country. If we need to get technical for another debate, we can do that then. But for this can we consider the Eastern, not the Midwestern, but Eastern States and move on already?

How do you proove that Igbo states are lagging behind w/out comparisons with other states? Looks like we are dealing with people who do not know right from left. What am I really doing here?

Kobojunkie:

Now apply the same when talking of individual Ibo states. It is really that simple!Oh boy!!! @Londoner, are you simply trying to continue derailing for as long as you can or something? I am really tired of people trying to move the mark most every debate on Ibos. Let us just agree to go with Ibo States being the States in the Eastern belt of Nigeria. Last I checked, the country has 3 major languages Hausa, Yoruba and Ibo. Ibo’s are usually in the Eastern region of the country. If we need to get technical for another debate, we can do that then. But for this can we consider the Eastern, not the Midwestern, but Eastern States and move on already?

You are a funny. So Akwa Ibom, Rivers, Bayelsa, CRS- all former Eastern states are now ''Ibo' states? YET the poster compared some of these states to some other Igbo states (Imo, Anambra) which, based on your analysis, implies comparing Igbo states to Igbos states. Now I can see how warped your logic is. Just give up because you have nothing to offer on this topic. Some ignoramuses think they know, but they do not.

@Kobojunkie,

It is obvious that this new igbo thread is an off shoot of another one where you and I argued extensively on this issue of under development in igbo land.

It will be waste of time to start all over again but I need to point out some issues.

. it is very true that igboland is lacking so much in development.

. it is also true that igboland is not lagging behind in development compared with every other regions of nigeria.

. the poster raised an issue which is not about igboland alone because  he specifically compared igboland with some other parts of the country.


Why are you quick to point out that the issue at hand is about igboland alone, even though it is obvious that the poster is comparing igboland and other regions.

. why then will you wave it aside when someone like Mekus (or me) say that : no, igboland is doing badly but better than most of other nigerian regions.

. lastly why is  it not tribalism to create posts about igboland underdevelopment but becomes tribalism when one says: "no igboland is doing better".


You might not agree with everything I listed above but I specifically directed these questions at you because for someone with the level of knowledge and exposure to igboland and igbo culture, I expect you not to hold ALL the views that some non igbo people here on NL that is ignorant of igbo affairs.