DissTroy:

Emotional lots. Exactly why blacks are the way we are - emotional responses instead of rationally addressing our issues.

budaatum:


I'm certain you are referring to your constant emotional responses which make you prone to insults in just about every one of your posts instead of rationally addressing issues.

And no, it's not because you are black, but simply because you lack the maturity for rational discourse, though I must admit you are not as bad as the donkey.

budaatum:


I'm certain you are referring to your constant emotional responses.

benalvino3:
I am very surprised this is coming from the New York times


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hNDgcjVGHIw

benalvino3:


your words


your words

benalvino3:


how is racism Normal in America but not in Japan, Nigeria, England, Canada, Brazil, Ghana?

because for there to be racism there has to be
1. populations identified as different races in significant numbers,
2. there has to be the history of subjugation of one race by another in recent history with the culture and psyche and wealth and means difference inherent from such history even post subjugation (this last sentence specifically applies to the American brand of racism, yes racism has brands)
3. and also there needs to be a powerful political party in central goverment with a history of racism and racists in its rank that openly or subtly identifies with or is justifiably identified with racists and racism and also tries at every turn to excuse away racists acts or downplay racist acts in current time.


Feeling warm yet? There are other brands of racism, other types of discrimination too but we are dealing with racism for now. With the above argument I've made, only Brazil comes close from your list and it is a very distant second

All my response to you does not talk about the black minority or majority group in Brazil. I am speaking in general.

my question is

the question is not related to American racism alone. the question is why is[b] Racism like this Here and not like this there[/b]
The talk is about Racism. Your initial response I quoted above proved it. You gave conditions I have already disproven with the definition of racism

who told you that you lack patients? you are here spamming this thread with kokobilo and the other trolls, you yourself have become a troll who is constantly here posting rubbish and you want to pretend you don't have time? Oga, you do. keep quiet.

did you cite what difference? didn't I tell you that Blacks in Britain have the same complaint or similar complaints to blacks in the US?

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/06/22/europe/black-britain-systemic-racism-cnn-poll-gbr-intl/index.html

the Above is a story in England. their complaints are similar to the US, they have a history of slavery, etc. if I should appease you a little. so, is racism normal there?

https://www.sabcnews.com/sabcnews/racism-in-post-apartheid-south-africa

again, you can see the above with the source, the complaint is the same and not unique to the US. you are talking about the brands of racism, but racism is racism: so, you are not making sense. you like to make a large statement without really saying anything. And I am not here for your opinion alone, you still lack the habit of backing your opinions or claims with citations or sources.


An opinion you are entitled to, feel free to argue with yourself

dude, if everything is viewed through the lens of racism and racism is part of everyday life. you don't seem to know much about what you are discussing.
CRT outright rejects the colorblindness of the CRA and argues that in light of past discriminations, colorblind legislation perpetuates institutional and systemic racism. CRT explicitly rejects the individual-level equal treatment before the law that is foundational to classical liberal legal theories.
this has nothing to do with fox news. It's a fact and it's what CRT posits and scholars of CRT argue.

Dude, CRT teaches that whites will not do anything that is beneficial to blacks except it benefits them. that's the point. CRT teaches it, it is not my opinion. you clearly do not understand what CRT teaches.

- Derrick Bell

In other words, the interest convergence principle posits that all individual interests are defined by and subordinate to racial identity.


it is not my opinion, it is what your CRT posits

when you talk about racism having different brands and making statements like this
because for there to be racism there have to be populations identified as different races in significant numbers, there has to be the history of subjugation of one race by another in recent history with the culture and psyche and wealth and means difference inherent from such history even post subjugation


look at your words in italics.

you said for racism to occur. that's in contradiction to the meaning of racism. a white man can or a black man can go to china and be racist to a Chinese man, A white man or black man can say racist things to a Chinese man in Chinese land. that is racism and non of them meets your criteria

As for Obama and Sears, what you said about them does not address what I said. You don't seem to understand what I said.
- Derrick Bell

this is what I am talking about. Obama was put in there because of racism, the system is racist, Obama is part of the System, he is promoted by whites because it does not impede on their interest and the interest of blacks and whites align. this means he was there because of white interest.

where was the answer given? Oya show us, show us a quote where the answer was given.

you are trying to say there are different brands of racism and it differs in different countries. your words below:

above, you can still see the cries from the source or links i provided that what people cry about in USA is the same they cry about in England and South Africa. meets all your criteria and you are still all over the place.

so why is racism normal in US and not in those countries. you have not answered.

I don't think you understand what the term theory means in academia.
when discussing gravity, the LAW of Gravity is talked about that described attraction between two objects. also, theories of gravity that describes why the objects attract each other.

one is humans the other one is not... but what remains thesame is what theory means and what it is used for. I am not talking about Humans and planets but i am talking about Theory in the Scientific realms.

If you know anything about it you will know. Last time we discussed you showed us you have no clue who Delgado is.

budaatum:


Here, disstroy. True colors of an anti-CRTist.

Though I bet you'd be fooled by his disguise by fake humour.

WispyEthereal:



because for there to be racism there has to be
1. populations identified as different races in significant numbers,
2. there has to be the history of subjugation of one race by another in recent history with the culture and psyche and wealth and means difference inherent from such history even post subjugation

3. and also there needs to be a powerful political party in central goverment with a history of racism and racists in its rank that openly or subtly identifies with or is justifiably identified with racists and racism and also tries at every turn to excuse away racists acts or downplay racist acts in current time.

Now the lying begins, or should I say continues why are you such a pathological liar? Refer back to your question, in experimentation we can ask, why is this occurrence observed in ABC but not in xyz? With ABC being the test subject and xyz being the control subject, I approached your question from that angle and answered it with the motive of finding the difference, I even went ahead to label American racism a brand to ease your understanding but I guess you can't force understanding into someone with subconscious and ingrained biases like you.

Another lie from your bottomless pit of lies! The question was about in specifics the normalisation of American racism with the absence of this normalisation in other countries as a control so I went ahead and gave you the criteria/conditions/reason why, that your bias can't allow you see beyond its intellectual blocks to understand my answer is no fault of mine.

And also by defining racism you did nothing to disprove my assessment on the normalisation of American racism, the definition of racism was never in dispute except between benalvino3 and benalvino3! Gettit? don't project your confusion and directionlessness or inability to focus on a specific discourse on me, also, on your definition of racism I tasked you to read it critically and understand the differences between individual, communal and institutional sources of racism in respect to its normalisation, did you?

If you never had a problem with your parrot before me I would advise you to take your own advice and shut your gob up! You've been down with the spamming all these while until he started getting served so you have no high horse to get down from, your tacit approval puts you in the mud below the spammers

Did I dispute that blacks in Britain don't suffer racism? You create disputes in your own miasma of a brain and go ahead to project an opposition opinion on your opponent without appropriate consultation so you can scream gotcha! That is how basic you are. I even went ahead to reference the existence of antisemitism across Europe in my last reply to you but with the case of Nazi Germany being the one to initiate the holocaust hoping that example will spur you in the right direction but alas I could only hope.

And no, the existence of racism was never in dispute by me, its normalisation as observed through its specific manifestations was what I disagreed with you on, that is if you disagree with me and believe racism is normal in somewhere like the U.K or Japan

The above is an old and thoroughly researched story subject to several BBC documentaries in the U.K, the above is proof that the U.K takes systemic racism very seriously and is diligently trying to redress it hence damages or you might say reparations or if it doesn't work for you compensation was/is being paid to these Caribbean immigrants who were used and discarded indiscriminately, the above is proof that the U.K isn't trying to deny, whitewash or sweep under the carpet its racist past and its modern day consequences, ABOVE ALL THE ABOVE IS PROOF THAT RACISM IN THE U.K ISN'T NORMAL OR ISN'T ALLOWED TO NOR ABBETED TO BECOME NORMAL! do you have any more points to buttress my argument for me?
Oh and you lied again and that I bolded, the complaints are only similar in generality not in specifics hence the brands or manifestations

And what does the above prove in relation to your question on the normalisation of racism? I initially thought you were more intelligent than dapo, intelligent enough not to introduce a tangential issue into a conversation with given premises apparently I was wrong

Racial interactions in south Africa are different from the rest so racism in south Africa will follow patterns set for it by its own peculiar history hence the importance of history and in the American scenario CRT. If you had specifically added south Africa to the list I would have mentioned why racism there would be/was different and couldn't be normalised as it in America unless you want to argue for a case currently of
1. Systemic racism against blacks
2. Systemic racism against whites
3. The ANC or the opposition being a racist apologists like the republicans in the U.S as inferred from my third criteria for the normalisation of racism
4. South Africa wasn't even on your list so why should I even bother entertaining references to it in the first place?

And true to your nature of "directionlessness" all you have proven is that complaints of racism Is multinational, that was never in contention, what you have not proven is that racism has become normal in all the listed countries, what you have not proven is that the specifics of racism from country to country is the same given their histories
And no, I am too lazy to do any research for an argument my opinions via logic will suffice to handle especially those that don't engage me intellectually. Also this conversation is subjective and that is why I give allowance for your opinions but only accept them when some form of logic even if flawed is exercised

budaatum:


Here, disstroy. True colors of an anti-CRTist.

Though I bet you'd be fooled by his disguise by fake humour.

Anything that needs to be viewed through the lens of racism will be viewed through the lens of racism as it rightly should be in a socially conscious and just society! Recognition of a problem is the first step to tackling it not pretending it doesn't exist and if it makes you, your political affiliates and your collective narrative uncomfortable then that is a small price to pay.

And all you listed above about CRT are academically factual and I'm in agreement with a reservation here and there but obviously you do not agree with it but all that is tangential to the fact that the topic of conversation is the normalisation of racism or lack of it from country to country, trash that first then you can come back to me on CRT within acceptable restrictions

Like I said earlier, I will engage you on CRT on specific conditions but after we trash this current issue out, hopefully you won't run away from it like you did the other one.

Dude, CRT teaches that whites will not do anything that is beneficial to blacks except it benefits them. that's the point. CRT teaches it, it is not my opinion. you clearly do not understand what CRT teaches.

- Derrick Bell

In other words, the interest convergence principle posits that all individual interests are defined by and subordinate to racial identity.


it is not my opinion, it is what your CRT posits

Yes I see my words and stand by it, put it in the context of an answer to a question, what was the question?

finally you read! Congratulations, maybe you'll give me less stup;d replies going forward
Nothing was contradicted except your understanding! So put what I highlighted in the context of normalisation of racism under which I gave those criteria, so yes a black or a white man can be racist to a Chinese in China but guess what such racism will never be? Normal benalvino3! It will never be normal in china! now juxtapose it with your definition of racism and the difference perpetrators listed, I told you to read critically but you didn't, individual was differentiated from communal which was In turn differentiated from systemic! Can that example of racism you gave ever be systemic in China? Answer this question benalvino3! Normalisation of racism starts from the communal to the systemic In my opinion so can it ever be normal?

A very laughable opinion but hey it is your right to have it, it isn't your right to have me engage you on it!

For you to recognise the answer, first you must understand the question, do you understand your question Ben or are you going to continue wasting your time?

like I said earlier, if calling it brands is too complex for your brain to wrap around, try manifestations then and yes I said what I said, racism is in all the countries you listed but it is different from country to country hence the brands or manifestations

Yes it is a given that you are dull, all you have proven is that racism exists in all the places you listed but what you have not proven is that it is normal, England and south Africa do not meet my criteria, not the third criteria and you have proven that racism is in many countries, you have not proven that a couple of white men can hunt down and kill a black man unprovoked, advertise it, excuse it and expect to get away with it legally like Ahmad auberys killers did, you have not proven that white police officers kill black people on the vague excuse of fears for their lives and expect full exonoration without consequences, you have not proven that black people are convicted at a higher rate per capita than white people for similar crimes, you have not proven that being black is synonymous to being a suspect for a criminal act above everyone else in the eyes of law enforcement, let me stop at that for now



Don't pin your false equivalency on me, I know the difference between a theory and a law and the gravity I know of is a law of attraction of two bodies with given mass hence the false equivalence, the theory or theories on gravity I am unfamiliar with, state them so I can maybe understand your comparison of gravity to CRT

Still false equivalence Mr man! One is a theory with multiple unspecified variables called humanity the other is, well what is the theory of gravity?

your stupidity is astounding, I have heard of Delgado but you seem to fulcrum your argument around him like that should matter to me, knowing Delgado is not a requisite to debating about racism or CRT

Ibime:


Show me an honest customs officer and I will show you a flying pig. Maybe the present serving officers are as "honest" as you were

Konkoja:


Hahaha, 4th world banana regime? Yeah, the whole world saw that on 6th of January.

DissTroy:


Maybe. But he was sarcastic about it given the wordings and his emojis.

Still, I'd always point out how hypocritically ironic it is that you play the victims' game about racism in America daily but you are a self-confessed sectionalist and tribalist who has declared the Igbos - who are as Nigerian as any of us - should "never be allowed to become president".

benalvino3:


We will soon award you with a victim medal. In Nigeria you cry victim, in the UK you cry victim. I am sure if you they send you to the moon you will still cry victim.

DissTroy:

Like J.K. Rowling being canceled and banned for saying transgender shouldn't be allowed into women's bathrooms and women need to be protected from them. Like Chimamanda Adichie being banned from speaking on campuses for distinguish women's rights from trans rights.

budaatum:


First, I don't bother about your "Igbos - who are as Nigerian as any of us - should "never be allowed to become president", because everyone knows you are just lying.

budaatum:

I do not think we Nigerians will elect a president from a region who's sole manifesto is the destruction of Nigeria so Biafra can exist. We just are not that dumb.

benalvino3:
My rebuttal to WispyEthereal continues:


But CRT says view everything from the lens of racism. So it's not anything, it's everything.



You have to agree with nonsense we know




I don't understand what you mean here. Trash the issue below



I don't care about your words. Bring sources that specifically says racism can only happen when what you wrote is met. Source please.


Keep quiet, you said there has to be another race in significant number. Seems like you don't know it can't keep track of your own arguments.

Like I said, you type a lot without saying anything. Na you use your mouth say for racism to Occur we are not even on for it to then be normal. For something to be accepted or standards it has to manifest. You are now pretending like it aligns with the crap you said.

Go tell Derrick bell wey say whites will only favour blacks if the benefits from it. Na your crt talk am not me.




Show us, stop dribbling and dodging.

Call it brands all you want, there is no American brand or Nigerian brand. It is universal.

Lmao, how with your super genius brain you want me to prove claim I did not make? Where did I ever say racism is normal any where? How does me asking why racism is normal in US and not other countries translate to me having to me haven to prove it is normal in other country? You get sense at all? I clearly don't believe it's normal in the US to begin with. Wow

benalvino3:


Racism is normal, it is a normal part of (American) life.

I don't know why so people are trying to eradicate it

Just keep showing yourself that you don't understand the word Theory.

Theory is applied the same way scientifically. It deals with evidence explaining what we experience. I am not comparing humans to gravity or planets. When new evidence comes out, the theory has to change.



Yes, you have heard of Delgado after I mentioned him to you

WispyEthereal:
the idiot that you are thinks I will continue to engage you in your deliberate stupidity to waste my time since you have all the time in the world to waste.
For those who can read and understand, my comment was made in the context of normalisation of racism and the reason is simple, when there is a subject race for racism in significant numbers, the frequency of racist incidents increases leading to normalisation, at a certain point it gets institutionalised in some cases as it was in the Americas, leading to normalisation, all these was in the context of normalisation of racism but this genetically stupid halfwit is ignoring the context of normalisation and flying with racism solo because it fits his moronic agenda.
With other people that's how you dance around issues, rephrase, reinterpret and misrepresent, I knew that already before I engaged you and yet here you are trying to pull that lame stunt on me. Bloody liar!



Go grow some sense since you're dense, we definitely are on the normalisation of racism and that is what it has been from the start or in true benalvino3 style do you want to reinterpret your question after the fact?





In the context of this exchange I don't know a derrick bell as he or she is insubstantial to issue in debate here, that you think otherwise is a product of your own directionlessness and your stupidity in thinking I will engage you in tangential arguments beyond a certain point is pathetic but still amusing




Racism is universal dumbo, I have never disputed that, my disputing that fact is a creation of yours for the sake of endless and useless arguments! But racism is definitely not the same from place to place so I call it brands and I really don't care that you pretend not to understand anymore, you couldn't understand even if it were grafted into your brain, you will rather die than understand this truth so who cares?





Wow, so you didn't say so?

Who was this replying to DissTroy below?



I guess this is benalvino3's ghost you pathological lying retard! Racism is normal in America according to you yet you didn't claim it is normal anywhere not even America right? Seems you lie so much you can't keep track of your lies! Shame on you but you've never had shame have you?
I hope everyone can see what a clueless, shameless, barefaced liar this bozo called benalvino3 is! He can't even keep track of his own comments, I response to this I told him he knew why it was normal in America and that led to his question of why it was normal in America and not in other countries which led to my subsequent response and even that question he is trying to pretend doesn't imply he has accepted that racism is normal in America! Garbage piece of a noisemaker excuse for a human being! By virtue of this denial you have lost all credibility! I thought your lying days were in the past now I know better

oh shut up, theories are postulations to explain phenomena that are not fully understood and that is why there can be multiple theories on any issues, laws on the other hand are taken as established facts that when subjected to standardised tests will yield exactly the same results over and again irrespective of time and place dumbo! It is you who definitely doesn't understand what a theory is and that is why you wanted to foolishly employ false equivalence in equating a theory to a law!

Stupid individual forming smart! I am your intellectual superior yesterday, today and forever and you are unworthy to lace my intellectual boots!

I have wasted enough time with a bloody liar like you

Nastymods:
[s]when ya lose ya run. Ya will not engage but ya still wrote ah book in responding [/s]
Ya bipolar

WispyEthereal:
the idiot that you are thinks I will continue to engage you in your deliberate stupidity to waste my time since you have all the time in the world to waste.
For those who can read and understand, my comment was made in the context of normalisation of racism and the reason is simple, when there is a subject race for racism in significant numbers, the frequency of racist incidents increases leading to normalisation, at a certain point it gets institutionalised in some cases as it was in the Americas, leading to normalisation, all these was in the context of normalisation of racism but this genetically stupid halfwit is ignoring the context of normalisation and flying with racism solo because it fits his moronic agenda.
With other people that's how you dance around issues, rephrase, reinterpret and misrepresent, I knew that already before I engaged you and yet here you are trying to pull that lame stunt on me. Bloody liar!



Go grow some sense since you're dense, we definitely are on the normalisation of racism and that is what it has been from the start or in true benalvino3 style do you want to reinterpret your question after the fact?





In the context of this exchange I don't know a derrick bell as he or she is insubstantial to issue in debate here, that you think otherwise is a product of your own directionlessness and your stupidity in thinking I will engage you in tangential arguments beyond a certain point is pathetic but still amusing




Racism is universal dumbo, I have never disputed that, my disputing that fact is a creation of yours for the sake of endless and useless arguments! But racism is definitely not the same from place to place so I call it brands and I really don't care that you pretend not to understand anymore, you couldn't understand even if it were grafted into your brain, you will rather die than understand this truth so who cares?





Wow, so you didn't say so?

Who was this replying to DissTroy below?



I guess this is benalvino3's ghost you pathological lying retard! Racism is normal in America according to you yet you didn't claim it is normal anywhere not even America right? Seems you lie so much you can't keep track of your lies! Shame on you but you've never had shame have you?
I hope everyone can see what a clueless, shameless, barefaced liar this bozo called benalvino3 is! He can't even keep track of his own comments, I response to this I told him he knew why it was normal in America and that led to his question of why it was normal in America and not in other countries which led to my subsequent response and even that question he is trying to pretend doesn't imply he has accepted that racism is normal in America! Garbage piece of a noisemaker excuse for a human being! By virtue of this denial you have lost all credibility! I thought your lying days were in the past now I know better

oh shut up, theories are postulations to explain phenomena that are not fully understood and that is why there can be multiple theories on any issues, laws on the other hand are taken as established facts that when subjected to standardised tests will yield exactly the same results over and again irrespective of time and place dumbo! It is you who definitely doesn't understand what a theory is and that is why you wanted to foolishly employ false equivalence in equating a theory to a law!

Stupid individual forming smart! I am your intellectual superior yesterday, today and forever and you are unworthy to lace my intellectual boots!

I have wasted enough time with a bloody liar like you

Nastymods:
when ya lose ya run. Ya will not engage but ya still wrote ah book in responding
Ya bipolar

First you shout "I WON! I WON!" then your faithful parrot parrots you "HE WON! HE WON!" is this the best you can do?

gambojimeta:

You sir Isa geti times. Mo Dan 4 peoples here ah Calley him ah liar sevral Timess. I Isa suprize dat you Isa jas kno dati Jabulani headed donkey Isa liar kikikikiki

Wheni peoples Isa lie, dey Isa forget da pasttt lies they ah tell. Lies ah fery difficalt ta protekt

gambojimeta:

You sir Isa geti times. Mo Dan 4 peoples here ah Calley him ah liar sevral Timess. I Isa suprize dat you Isa jas kno dati Jabulani headed donkey Isa liar kikikikiki

Wheni peoples Isa lie, dey Isa forget da pasttt lies they ah tell. Lies ah fery difficalt ta protekt

WispyEthereal:
I am shocked he could boldly deny he claimed racism is normal in America! Imagine the boldness!

PrideofLincoln1:
That guy is well known here as a pathological liar and you will get no where with him because his lies are the truths to him.

DissTroy:


Okay. Long live the internet!



https://www.nairaland.com/6782892/jonathan-okowa-mentioned-pdp-presidential#106376654

budaatum:


You are hopefully aware that not all Igbos' "sole manifesto is the destruction of Nigeria so Biafra can exist", and that some are One Nigeria Igbos, though I doubt that qualification makes an ounce of difference to you.

Let me add to it for you. No sensible Igbo will win a national election in your lifetime with a Biafra manifesto. And if you find a serious Igbo seeking to be president or vice with such a manifesto, please do let me know because I personally have not found any credible Igbo or Yoruba politician seeking votes on such a destructive manifesto.

WispyEthereal:
the idiot that you are thinks I will continue to engage you in your deliberate stupidity to waste my time since you have all the time in the world to waste.

zendi:

Which country be Jan 6, Nicaragua?
Abeg, I no dey oo.........

What I know is,

If you give a Banana Regime (BR) two lambs called 'Rioting' and 'Trespassing',
They will quickly clone them to two lions, 'Insurrection' and 'Treason'.

When a BR gives the family dog a hostile name,
Then you know they wan turn am to
pepper soup.

budaatum:


You keep convincing yourself that drumptfk is president. No one sensible believes you ben.

budaatum:


You really need to realise this when responding to them. Their sole intention is to waste your time just as they waste their's.