budaatum:

Its always been a slavish country. Now the whip is the crumbs they are thrown while the masters get fatter.

I agree with you wowcatty. "Trump is fixing and returning it to where it serves the people and not the few moneyed".

feedthenation:



This is not the time to blame state governors who are doing their very best to coordinate the issues on ground.

Trump's arrogance, ignorance and obstinance has made this much worse.

That is NOT partisan. That is fact.

Trump in his first public comments about the coronavirus on Jan. 22, in a television interview from Davos with CNBC’s Joe Kernen was asked,

“Are there worries about a pandemic at this point?” The president responded: “No. Not at all.

And we have it totally under control. It’s one person coming in from China, and we have it under control. It’s going to be just fine.”

This was simply not true, and we are now learning that Trump ignored the intelligence briefings that warned that the pandemic could be very devastating.

As a result more than one thousand Americans have died, and now have the most cases in the world.

We all remember Trump saying that there were just 15 cases that would soon go down to zero, and that everything was under control. A totally baseless claim, and he acted accordingly or should I say he didn’t act as required.

On Jan. 28, Trump retweeted a headline from One America News, an outlet with a history of spreading false conspiracy theories: “Johnson & Johnson to create coronavirus vaccine.” This was a lie.

On Feb. 29, Trump said a vaccine would be available “very quickly” and “very rapidly” and praised his administration’s actions as “the most aggressive taken by any country.” None of these claims were true. Dr. Fauci said it would be 12-18 months before it could become available to the American people.

Trump’s inaction meant that the United States fell behind South Korea, Singapore and China in fighting the virus. “We just twiddled our thumbs as the coronavirus waltzed in,” William Hanage, a Harvard epidemiologist, wrote. Hanage could have added that Trump's thumbs were busy on his phone tweeting out nonsense to the American people.

At a Feb. 10 political rally Trump said, “Looks like by April, you know, in theory, when it gets a little warmer, it miraculously goes away.” Note: April is just a few days away. Do you think Trump's promised miracle will occur? We shall see.

On Feb. 5, Senator Chris Murphy tweeted: “Just left the Administration briefing on Coronavirus. Bottom line: they aren't taking this seriously enough. Notably, no request for ANY emergency funding, which is a big mistake. Local health systems need supplies, training, screening staff etc. And they need it now.”

Murphy also criticized the White House’s decision not to take coronavirus test kits offered by the World Health Organization in January, which he said was an especially devastating mistake because that test was ready to go and easily replicable.

GalaticHorde:
no it doesn't, i require actual doctors assessments stating chloroquine as a cure for corona virus or maybe you misunderstood the gravity of your claims on its efficacy

GalaticHorde:
isn't this funny? Questioning my English comprehension and showing your lack of comprehension in the same sentence. anecdotal in this and generally in medical and legal terms means evidence isn't solid, or reliable, or isn't stand alone or in simpler terms for the purpose of clarity, it means chloroquine may or may not have a positive "EFFECT" and there is no evidence to back trumps claim that you are sprouting from the digital version of your buccal orifice, chloroquine doesn't and as yet has not been proven to be curative in treating the corona virus! The claims are........just claims and that is why they are being subjected to testing to verify the claims made about them! And for a probable layman like you, we in the medical profession have standards for verify claims, a double blind trial is the most reliable and until that standard is met, non scientists like trump or you should shove every snake oil solution you whip up from your arse up your arse where it belongs! Misguided though well intentioned claims like that have real life consequences like chloroquine overdose toxicity!

garetz:
Continue deceiving yourself, I already posted you links to actual doctors telling you that chloroquine is working and saving their patient's lives. I am sure others on the forum have already seen and read them so if you like, continue pretending that you didn't see them.

garetz:

Lol, so you have now moved the post from believe Trump at your own peril to "it may or may not work,"? .

I said it, your English comprehension was the problem. I am 100% sure you only went to check the meaning of anecdotal after reading my post. Many doctors have confirmed that chloroquine saved their patient's lives, conversely, Many patients have also testified that chloroquine saved their life but it is still anedoctal because the regulatory bodies like the W.H.O are yet to conclude their own clinical trials on it which is necessary before it is approved for universal use in curing the coronavirus. It is based on anecdotal evidence ( the testimonies of many qualified medical doctors some of which I have posted here) that the W.H.O decided to use chloroquine to conduct clinical trials on people in 10 different countries. The W.H.O ain't stupid to be running trials on human beings if chloroquine hasn't shown potential for curing the virus.

GalaticHorde:
unlike you I have read actual doctors reports, combinations of hydroxychloroquine sulphate, zinc, z-pac, azithromycin, vit-c amongst other drugs have succoured patients through the active phase of the infection, but it is almost exclusive to younger patients especially those without underlying heart conditions and in most patients, the virus is self limiting meaning it resolves on its own even without treatment, so where exactly did any doctor describe it as an across the board, effective stand alone drug as tRump is declaring especially as the claim is being backed by a big pharma donor of his novartis that stands to gain financially if it is approved for relieving patients with corona by the FDA

GalaticHorde:
no it doesn't, i require actual doctors assessments stating chloroquine as a cure for corona virus or maybe you misunderstood the gravity of your claims on its efficacy

wirinet:

Most Trump supporters are suffering from delusion. Some like the person you responded to has hallucinations and alternative reality added to his delusion. I don't know how one can read any of the links, he provided and reach a conclusion that chloroquine was tested, recommended or prescribed by any medical professional.

garetz:

One has to be a Stark illiterate not to reach that conclusion. How can you not when you're seeing testimonies of doctors who have tested, prescribed it and are recommending it? You're even reading the testimonies of the actual patients who were treated with it and you're here talking nonsense. If anyone is delusional here, it is you.

Hydroxychloroquine has been used for around 70 years to treat malaria, rheumatic conditions and other ailments. Now its potential use in the fight against coronavirus has become a source of hope for many, following encouraging results from a clinical trial in France on Monday. But experts caution that there is still uncertainty about its effectiveness.

Didier Raoult, director of a university hospital institute in Marseille, explained that he had conducted a clinical trial in which he treated 25 Covid-19 patients with hydroxychloroquine. After six days, he said, only 25 percent of patients who took this drug still had the virus in their body. By contrast, 90 percent of those who had not taken hydroxychloroquine continued to carry the Covid-19.

“This study seems promising, but we have to be really careful before raising hope when it comes to a virus as new as this one, for which we don’t yet have a lot of data,” said Sarah D’Alessandro, a professor of molecular medicine at the University of Milan and a malaria specialist who has worked on hydroxychloroquine.

But when it comes to human trials, the picture is foggier. “Tests on human patients [except for malaria] have so far produced contrasting results that are difficult to interpret,” D’Alessandro observed.

A European programme of large-scale clinical trials was launched on March 12, aiming to test the effectiveness of four treatments that have already proven themselves against other viruses, such as Ebola. Hydroxychloroquine was not chosen.

TheShopKeeper:
...Trump cares more about his ratings than the current health issues...

stanech:
Conservatives have always joked that if Trump mentioned a cure for cancer that his haters would refuse the cure.... we have the exact situation in real life with Hydrochloroquine/Z pak... liberals prefer to let patients die than use a treatement approved by the FDA due to TDS!!

wirinet:

Human worship is bad for your mental health. Why would Trump mention a cure for cancer? Is he a medical doctor? Trump is not omniscient, his opinions are not sacrosanct.

No doctor with any reputation has prescribed hydroxychloroquine to cure coronavirus or any other virus infection.

garetz:

You are a liar!! Trump has never declared chloroquine as an across the board, effective stand alone cure for chloroquine. This is the effect of listening to too much fake news, you start believing and reacting to things that didn't even happen. I challenge you to produce any quote where Trump said anything like that. And you have finally admitted that chloroquine worked for some coronavirus patients. .

stanech:


Wow I don't know wat u re ranting about but it certainly isn't what I typed. Pls go through my post again b4 u reply.

wirinet:

From what I understood you typed, you insinuated that liberals would prefer patient die than use a drug prescribed by Trump, according to conservatives. You now used Hydroxychloroquine as an example.

Born2Freak:



Youths are too irresponsible to vote

African Americans on average are low information voters

The Democrat establishment ganged up against Sanders


Socialism has been demonized in the main stream media and then Biden seems like a less radical choice

TheShopKeeper:


AOC breaks with Bernie on leadership of the left

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/03/30/new-aoc-divides-the-left-150767

garetz:

Lol, so you have now moved the post from believe Trump at your own peril to "it may or may not work,"? .

I said it, your English comprehension was the problem. I am 100% sure you only went to check the meaning of anecdotal after reading my post. Many doctors have confirmed that chloroquine saved their patient's lives, conversely, Many patients have also testified that chloroquine saved their life but it is still anedoctal because the regulatory bodies like the W.H.O are yet to conclude their own clinical trials on it which is necessary before it is approved for universal use in curing the coronavirus. It is based on anecdotal evidence ( the testimonies of many qualified medical doctors some of which I have posted here) that the W.H.O decided to use chloroquine to conduct clinical trials on people in 10 different countries. The W.H.O ain't stupid to be running trials on human beings if chloroquine hasn't shown potential for curing the virus.

garetz:

You are a liar!! Trump has never declared chloroquine as an across the board, effective stand alone cure for chloroquine. This is the effect of listening to too much fake news, you start believing and reacting to things that didn't even happen. I challenge you to produce any quote where Trump said anything like that. And you have finally admitted that chloroquine worked for some coronavirus patients. .

armyofone:
I just want us to be able to produce PPE, masks and other protective stuff while trying HydroQ. The hospitals need it. Families need it, individual needs it.

Can't even find mask to buy.
Not @ Amazon
Not @ Lowe
Not @ home depot
Not @ Walmart
Not @ Target

Kai !!!

budaatum:

I don't know what side buzz is on, still

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/jasonleopold/new-government-study-of-chloroquine-after-trump-comments

budaatum:
All you suggest as evidence of the efficacy of chloroquine to treat convid-19 is at best "anecdotal" as it does not stand up to the rigour of clinical trials. So far, "it may or may not work", and unless you're trialing it no doctor should prescribe it.

budaatum:

I don't know what side buzz is on, still

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/jasonleopold/new-government-study-of-chloroquine-after-trump-comments