Nukilia:
What are you smoking @ Op? You sound confused

luvmijeje:
Abeg, let's respect people's view about God. You don't have to be a jerk to pass your point across. You can respectfully disagree. This is not animal farm. What am I even saying? Animals are more tolerant than the so called humans.

Martinez19:
Christianity doesn't make sense, there are no proofs or evidences for it's claims or the god and the man, which is also the same god, around which it is centered. Everything can only be taken by faith, feelings & emotions and "plausible nonsequiturs". In an age where the basis and validity of religion are constantly being challenged, "plausible nonsequiturs" and reinforcement of them has become golden for deluded faithfuls and apologists. Christianity fails logically and morally, you have a god who can see the future and is all powerful but couldn't forsee the havoc of lucifer at the garden, even if he did, why would he create lucifer? answer without insulting human intelligence and morality. Why did he plant or create the tree of the knowledge of good and evil? Even if he did, why did he choose, of all places to plant it in the garden? He could create a flaming sword to bar Adam and Eve from entering the garden after they sinned but he didn't create a flaming sword to bar them from eating from the tree .

It's all a metaphor? Really? So the "true meaning" of the story couldn't be put in simple English? It makes no sense to give people a book of metaphors, which can be interpreted in various ways, upon which they would base their lives and eternity. Imagine if scientific textbooks were written in metaphors especially, and most dangerously, medical textbooks. Why not give clear instructions? Why unnecessary metaphors? When you ask christards the true meanings of these supposed metaphors, they give you meanings that can be written in simple English and should be written in the bible instead of the metaphor. Why the pettiness of writing things in metaphor when you could write them in simple English?

The story of Job is one of the most morally offensive stories of the bible. Here we have a man who serves god faithfully through his entire life and then in a discussion BROUGHT UP BY YAHWEH, yahweh PERMITS Satan to kill Job's children, livestock and damage his properties because yahweh wanted to see if Job will serve him in adversity. An all knowing god wanting to find out? Why is an omnipotent and intelligent yahweh insecure and petty? Does it mean that all loving yahweh can permit the killing of children, livestock and destroy properties to test a single persons faith? Christards should be scared. Of course the story of Job is a brainwash technique to keep you glued to your religion despite god failing you in life, it makes out every suffering to be god's test and trial and that you have to be faithful in these harsh sufferings. Notice how these tests and trials are similar to the hard times non-Christians face and notice how well both progress similarly in accordance to physical cause and effect.

... to be continued

Martinez19:
Luvmijeje, I saw a post of yours some weeks ago where you told butterflyLe0 that your view on atheists and non-religious people has changed and you stop seeing them as bad people when came to know them. I also observe you preaching love and tolerance. That's progress of a kind.

However, in a secular society, tolerance is compulsory but respect is not and it walks both ways. Secular people tolerant all religions and there is no imposition and compulsion to belong to a religion. However, secular people are free to disrespect and respect as they please.

danvon:
All the insults I'm seeing could easily be directed at any religion yet only Christianity was selected

Once again, atheists display their highness

dalaman:
"You cannot read the Bible and invent a drug, a car, a weather forecasting device, a disaster prevention machine or any other technology. The Bible does not contain any formula, theory, solution or research through which you can come about inventing anything to benefit humanity.
All the Bible knows is "let there be fish and there was fish" as if that explains anything about fishes and other aquatic life forms.
That book is totally useless to humanity".
- Purity Layemo

dalaman:


All atheist here on this thread were former christians. There are many former Muslim atheist on Facebook and on the Internet that talk only about Islam. Atheists generally talk about their former religions because that is the only religion they know very well. This line is getting really old

By the way where is the insult?

Mujtahida:

Your logic is false. You can't tolerate if you have no respect. They are two sides of the same coin. We must respect people, treat them as humans. I fail many times in this regard but I feel this is how it should be.

Martinez19:
Christianity doesn't make sense, there are no proofs or evidences for it's claims or the god and the man, which is also the same god, around which it is centered. Everything can only be taken by faith, feelings & emotions and "plausible nonsequiturs". In an age where the basis and validity of religion are constantly being challenged, "plausible nonsequiturs" and reinforcement of them has become golden for deluded faithfuls and apologists. Christianity fails logically and morally, you have a god who can see the future and is all powerful but couldn't forsee the havoc of lucifer at the garden, even if he did, why would he create lucifer? answer without insulting human intelligence and morality. Why did he plant or create the tree of the knowledge of good and evil? Even if he did, why did he choose, of all places to plant it in the garden? He could create a flaming sword to bar Adam and Eve from entering the garden after they sinned but he didn't create a flaming sword to bar them from eating from the tree .

It's all a metaphor? Really? So the "true meaning" of the story couldn't be put in simple English? It makes no sense to give people a book of metaphors, which can be interpreted in various ways, upon which they would base their lives and eternity. Imagine if scientific textbooks were written in metaphors especially, and most dangerously, medical textbooks. Why not give clear instructions? Why unnecessary metaphors? When you ask christards the true meanings of these supposed metaphors, they give you meanings that can be written in simple English and should be written in the bible instead of the metaphor. Why the pettiness of writing things in metaphor when you could write them in simple English?

The story of Job is one of the most morally offensive stories of the bible. Here we have a man who serves god faithfully through his entire life and then in a discussion BROUGHT UP BY YAHWEH, yahweh PERMITS Satan to kill Job's children, livestock and damage his properties because yahweh wanted to see if Job will serve him in adversity. An all knowing god wanting to find out? Why is an omnipotent and intelligent yahweh insecure and petty? Does it mean that all loving yahweh can permit the killing of children, livestock and destroy properties to test a single persons faith? Christards should be scared. Of course the story of Job is a brainwash technique to keep you glued to your religion despite god failing you in life, it makes out every suffering to be god's test and trial and that you have to be faithful in these harsh sufferings. Notice how these tests and trials are similar to the hard times non-Christians face and notice how well both progress similarly in accordance to physical cause and effect.

... to be continued

dalaman:
8 reasons why Christianity is crap.

"1. There is clear evidence that prayer does not work despite the Bible promising prayers will be answered.

PraiseDLord:

For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God!!!!
1 Corinthians 1:18 KJV
http://bible.com/1/1co.1.18.KJV

Martinez19:
... Continued

HopefulLandlord, I hope your toy car is still in place?

Let us look at prayer, do prayers get answered by yahweh? Capital no, a close analysis shows that prayers that are "answered" happen to be things that would have occurred or happen without prayer. Many people pray to wake up and see the next day as if most non-Christians and other animals who don't pray fail to see the next day. How laughable that when these christards wake up in the morning, they thank yahweh. It remains for them to thank god when they urinate. We never see prayer heal HIV and AIDS, terminal cancers, ALS and amputees. Why? Christards says god knows bes

Zirah:


Stop there. I know of someone who was healed of HIV.

budaatum:
Proofs or evidences for the claims of Christianity

Some people, vaxx, to name one has rather sadly allowed this sort of claim to be made, that there is no evidence for Christianity. Fortunately, I am still pissed off at the op for missing me out in a recent thread and have not found it in me to forgive him yet. So, if any Christians could provide me with some valid claims that Christians make, I would personally provide evidence for them.

To give a taste, I am starting with the first item on Dalaman's crap list!



First let us determine what is meant by the statement "Prayer works". I suggest it simply means that if one prays, one receives the outcome that one has prayed for. So the question is, "does prayer provide one with what one has prayed for?"

Let's get one thing clear. if you have followed some of buda's posts, you would be aware that buda has been praying that the Ferrari salesperson accept the imaginary one million pounds in her bank account in exchange for a spanking brand new red Ferrari but still rides a bike. So it is safe to say that buda's prayer has not worked. However, is that evidence that prayer does not work, or evidence that perhaps buda does not know how and what to pray for?

In a proper Christian home, the family gathers in the morning and prays before everyone goes off to their daily doings. Mummy prays for what she wants, daddy prays for what he wants, the children pray for what they want and the house help pray for what they want, and everyone says amen to everyone else's prayer. I think the effect of this is that the family communicate their desires to one another and you can't suggest that that does not make for a better home. So, morning prayer works in creating a family environment where communication happens and everyone knows the desires of the hearts of other members of the family.

After morning prayer, we all go about our daily business. If anything, the children know what the desires of their parents are for them, for if they have prayed that their children be safe through the day, the child could safely infer that mummy and daddy love him or her. So, prayer has created a rather healthy psychological environment for the child, which is a good thing.

The child prays everyday, lets say, to pass it's exams. I am certain that child is very likely to remember to study at some point in the day as it's constant prayer could not but make it understand that not studying is the opposite of praying to pass. So, praying is more likely to make one focus on achieving the outcomes that one is praying for.

The house help pray that their master and mistress prosper and treats them well, and I do think that a master and mistress that hears such prayers would assume that their house help like them and they might just like the house help too and want the best for them. They sure might consider themselves part of the one same family and in for the long term.

Night comes, and the family gathers together again to pray, perhaps expressing gratitude forgetting through the day and hoping tomorrow comes. Again the family communes together forming a cohesive bond, which is a good thing.

I could go on, but I hope the above is sufficient to show the benefit of payer and the way in which it might be said to 'work', which in effect is evidence that the op has made a rather false claim about at least one of the claims that Christians make.

Do beware though that while the Christians call all the above 'prayer', a family that sits down together and discusses their daily desire amongst themselves whilst calling on a stone and not some some supreme being would also achieve the same results.