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Re: What Is Atheism? by Nobody: 8:49am On Aug 09, 2018 |
budaatum:I grew up in a home where parents go to church ...now,where you expecting them to let me be on my own & just grow as a child ... They played their part as any parent would do... Then as I grew older,I had my experience & answers to the questions I had always asked about life & God....directly or indirectly. If I was indoctrinated in the real sense,I would not be asking those questions I did.... My believe in God would have being as what I was indoctrinated to believe.....not what I experienced myself. Go check my write ups again & see if any was as a product of indoctrination... Or what one have as decided to know by oneself..... I am not scared to study ANY/ many articles that are available to disproved the existence of a supernatural being,because in them all,I had PERSONALLY grow in my understanding... Being indoctrinated, and I don't usually go to church ...and I did not take Holy communion ,probably,last 4 months or thereabout I went to catholic church .... Being indoctrinated ,and I don't even dance,rarely gives offering & tithes in church ..... Being indoctrinated, and I don't worship pastors ... Being indoctrinated ,and I see the highly rated pope in the catholic church as "no big deal " ....Indoctrinated, & I don't agree to most & if not all catholic church & many pentecostal churches doctrines ..... ...do I sound like someone who is indoctrinated to you ..... I have an "evidence" for my believe,which I showed you,didn't I .... Why are you talking like I was just believing what my parents & church taught me to believe in ... I challenge you to bring up ANY article that will most likely disprove an existence of a Supernatural being, & I promise to go down to the deepest depth with you in studying it ... I noticed something about you.... First, you asked me to "evolve" ....which you meant I should go study ,travel & grow...hence,I will be in better position to understand the world . Why do most atheist,you inclusive,believe that people that believe in a supernatural Being are not studying ?...as in,don't study deeply into issues of life to understand them. "They only have such believe because they were told so"...... that's the most myopic view anybody will ever have,that their opponent in a debate need "evolving". Secondly, you still can't get why these guy in still believing in a Supernatural Being after seeing how " useless" the Bible could....... "oh ,he is still living in the bondage of indoctrination he received as a child ! " Wtf ....the two above,is what I can say ,I'm 100% sure about you,so far in these conversation.... Not everybody reads to reply.... |
Re: What Is Atheism? by Nobody: 8:54am On Aug 09, 2018 |
MuttleyLaff:Smart work ... I won't event bother giving him a reply... |
Re: What Is Atheism? by Nobody: 9:04am On Aug 09, 2018 |
vaxx:Yea,I don't deny SCIENCTIFIC FACTs.I work with them.I don't just wish them away... Scientific facts is based on the confinement of natural sciences & it's of tremendous importance in our growth.. You can question many of the scientific facts...you're free to do that also. Like ,go study Charles Darwin law of evolution,that's natural selection...it's a scientific fact,which can also be subject to more scientific findings.....It's not fixed . |
Re: What Is Atheism? by Nobody: 9:09am On Aug 09, 2018 |
ScienceWatch:No word(s) ,experiments & observation(s) can describe such an experience ! 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: What Is Atheism? by Seun(m): 9:28am On Aug 09, 2018 |
Glycolysis, thanks for sharing your personal experience with us. I will comment on it later. |
Re: What Is Atheism? by vaxx: 9:43am On Aug 09, 2018 |
Glycolysis:when there is no question, then there is no science. Science is very inquisitive. She never relent.... Always wanted to know more. Regarding evolution theory, it has no logical “holes”. None. Not even one. Zero. Every single “hole” that the liars have put on apologetic website and out there in the corporeal world have put out are either blatantly deceptive for the sake of fooling people or are ignorantly deceptive on account of not having the proper information. Take your pick. There is no debate in the scientific community regarding it. What is left to know in details are in some other disciplines like paleontology, geology, genetics and developmental biology.. And this is thoroughly been researched till date. Even Darwin could see that science was making new discoveries every day, and he knew that this work would continue into the indefinite future. So he was confident that some day the mechanisms that made natural selection possible would be discovered. And of course he was right. And the most interesting thing, it does not take God away.. because God is not in the gap.it only established God work in everything discover and yet to be discovered...it validate the blueprint of God. Hope this help. 4 Likes 3 Shares |
Re: What Is Atheism? by budaatum: 11:17am On Aug 09, 2018 |
Glycolysis:No, of course I wasn't expecting them to leave you alone. They'd be bad parents if they did. It's you who seem to think it's a bad thing! So, despite your not accepting their indoctrination, they did indoctrinate you regardless and after all! |
Re: What Is Atheism? by budaatum: 11:59am On Aug 09, 2018 |
Glycolysis:I asked you to look at two simple stories. One was very detailed with some supporting evidence, while the other had one chapter in one book supporting it's claims. My question to you was 'why believe either', but you couldn't really tell me! Is it not written in your Bible that "humans must not live by only bread or they would become malnourished"? If you had read more, you'd know that there are millions more stories detailing how the earth came into being. And if you were a thoughtful person, you would ask why any should be believed! So, study more, is my advise to you. You asked me about the supernatural earlier on but I skirted around it and didn't answer you. What you would 'believe' about the supernatural is not what I know about it. Just our words to one another alone are full of the supernatural, but are you even aware of that, despite reading in the Bible that words were in the very beginning and through them are all things created? I told you what I'd do with and that would be how I explain it to you. I am going to supernaturally remain in your head, despite all the efforts of that unevolved ape's attempts to distort my words! "By their fruit shall thou know them", saith the word, o ye believing Glycolysis, and not by their "Lord! Lord!" Glycolysis:The Bible is useless?! There you go assuming again! For your information, buda's opinion is that the Bible is one of the best books on earth and one that has been used to ensure people evolve faster than they otherwise would have if there were no Bible! If you had not had the Bible, you would be mud! I hope that's clear enough for you. I have no problem with the Bible, Glycolysis. I have a problem with people disobeying God by making an idol out of it and treating it like it were a god! At best, it is the breathe of the gods, "believing" is not what it's there for! Even the devil does that! By the way, you lied to me! You lied that your mind was open, when the truth is that your beliefs have closed your mind! 1 Like |
Re: What Is Atheism? by budaatum: 12:05pm On Aug 09, 2018 |
vaxx:Yes it does vaxx. I beg forgiveness please in advance. But remember that favour you are doing me. It is most pertinent in the current circumstances or the wrong understanding might be grasped. |
Re: What Is Atheism? by vaxx: 12:08pm On Aug 09, 2018 |
budaatum:ok let nor read your view? |
Re: What Is Atheism? by budaatum: 12:15pm On Aug 09, 2018 |
Glycolysis:And this you know, how? Is it not true that the "Holy Spirit", which dwells in the individual, guides the individual individually? Go read the Gospels. See how Jesus came to fulfil the Law with new interpretations. And did he not send this so called "Holy Spirit" so you too can do the same? |
Re: What Is Atheism? by budaatum: 12:16pm On Aug 09, 2018 |
Re: What Is Atheism? by vaxx: 12:20pm On Aug 09, 2018 |
budaatum:I am on my mobile phone. I mean let me read your view...... |
Re: What Is Atheism? by ScienceWatch: 12:25pm On Aug 09, 2018 |
Glycolysis:I agree sir. That is exactly why the almighty Jesus taught the way He did. He wisely taught about God using mostley Parables/stories because He knew that atheist God haters would screw the minds of humanity, and then each time, every day Jesus gave practical MIRACULOUS demonstrations to PROVE the reality of God. Jesus knew that pedantic bling bling language was not needed to understand the Superior truth of a creator God. Daily he provided mind-blowing evidence to back up His simple words. He simply instructed all disciples/pastors to go into the world and do the same. An answer to the question, What is Atheism starts to unfold. ATHEISM IS A MENTAL DISEASE. They thrive on empty talk which produces nothing of value to mankind. In fact atheism proves to be very destructive to humanity. Jesus commanded his pastors to consistently provide real practical evidence of the reality of Gods love for humanity. It is not the fault of Jesus that corrupt pastors are allowed to lead a church with out spiritual power to fulfill the commands of Jesus. Thousands of years later atheist God haters have failed dismally even using science as a vicious weapon to destroy the indestructible TRUTH about Jesus. The question what is Atheism should be viewed from the superior example of Jesus. The correct question must be, WHAT DO ATHEISM HAVE TO OFFER HUMANITY. Compare Atheism with a single example of what Jesus offers humanity ; Mark 2 Jesus Heals a Paralyzed Man 1 Several days later, Jesus returned to Capernaum and it was reported that he was at home. 2 Such a large crowd gathered that there wasn’t room for them, even in front of the door. Jesus was speaking his message to them 3 when some people came and brought him a paralyzed man being carried by four men. 4 Since they couldn’t bring him to Jesus because of the crowd, they made an opening in the roof over the place where he was. They dug through it and let down the mat on which the paralyzed man was lying. 5 When Jesus saw their faith, he told the paralyzed man, “Son, your sins are forgiven.” 6 Now some scribes were sitting there, arguing among themselves, 7 “Why does this man talk this way? He is blaspheming! Who can forgive sins but God alone?” 8 At once, Jesus knew in his spirit what they were saying to themselves. “Why are you arguing about such things among yourselves?” he asked them. 9 “Which is easier: to say to the paralyzed man, ‘Your sins are forgiven,’ or ‘Get up, pick up your mat, and walk’? 10 But I want you to know that the Son of Man has authority on earth to forgive sins…” Then he told the paralyzed man, 11 “I say to you, get up, pick up your mat, and go home!” 12 So the man got up, immediately picked up his mat, and went out in front of all of them. As a result, all of the people were amazed and began to glorify God as they kept on saying, “We have never seen anything like this!” 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: What Is Atheism? by budaatum: 12:34pm On Aug 09, 2018 |
vaxx:Lol! I was not referring to my view. I was again (rather rudely, I admit, and hence my apology), reminding you that you promised to help me understand what you write. There is no way I could have understood that meant what it does, for instance. I'm on a mobile too, by the way. |
Re: What Is Atheism? by vaxx: 12:36pm On Aug 09, 2018 |
budaatum:i thought you were insinuating evolution theory invalidate God. And i request to read your view in regards to it. |
Re: What Is Atheism? by budaatum: 1:01pm On Aug 09, 2018 |
vaxx:That's one trick most Christians seem to miss. If I were one of them, it wouldn't matter to me that evolutionists claim humans and apes share common ancestry because I'd claim God evolved Adam and Eve, their common ancestor, from mud, which predates apes. So there! To deny evolution however, requires a high level of ignorance, or the denial of avaliable evidence. |
Re: What Is Atheism? by vaxx: 1:23pm On Aug 09, 2018 |
budaatum:evolution is a self evident. Anybody can study it via nature. In fact, It take an elementary knowledge of science to understand it and quite logical too.So rejecting it in the presence of verifiable evidence is an act of ignorance or the religious guy just want to be uncceasrry arrogant.. " fundamentalist " These are two quotes from the highest authority in Catholic church regarding evolution and big bang ""God created beings and allowed them to develop according to the internal laws that he gave to each one, so that they were able to develop and to arrive and their fullness of being. He gave autonomy to the beings of the universe at the same time at which he assured them of his continuous presence, giving being to every reality. And so creation continued for centuries and centuries, millennia and millennia, until it became which we know today, precisely because God is not a demiurge or a magician, but the creator who gives being to all things... The Big Bang, which nowadays is posited as the origin of the world, does not contradict the divine act of creating, but rather requires it. The evolution of nature does not contrast with the notion of creation, as evolution presupposes the creation of beings that evolve"" Pope Francis Take a look at few important things in that little quote - in particular, you will see the fact that the Pope clearly states that the world we live in has existed for a rather long time, leading back all the way to the Big Bang - and even that does not contradict the teachings of the Catholic Church. This in start contrast to the claims of some who take the literal interpretation of the timelines in the bible to heart. Another interesting quote: "Currently, I see in Germany, but also in the United States, a somewhat fierce debate raging between so-called "creationism" and evolutionism, presented as though they were mutually exclusive alternatives: those who believe in the Creator would not be able to conceive of evolution, and those who instead support evolution would have to exclude God. This antithesis is absurd because, on the one hand, there are so many scientific proofs in favour of evolution which appears to be a reality we can see and which enriches our knowledge of life and being as such. But on the other, the doctrine of evolution does not answer every query, especially the great philosophical question: where does everything come from? And how did everything start which ultimately led to man? I believe this is of the utmost importance"" Pope Benedict XVI I also read it from somewhere that archbishop of canterbury is a big time supporter of evolution. As for Islam, evolution theory seems to be well accepted more than the christain society. Hardly do Muslim debate over it. Apart from the fundamentalist among them. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: What Is Atheism? by budaatum: 1:29pm On Aug 09, 2018 |
Not accepting evolution even has negative consequences. No nation of people can develop if they wish to continue to live in the past and refuse to evolve their knowledge and understanding. It is why I am an enemy of "beliefs". It creates unevolved apes out of people. vaxx: |
Re: What Is Atheism? by vaxx: 1:33pm On Aug 09, 2018 |
budaatum:only a fundamentalist will reject evolution.. A close minded individual. It might sound funny, but not all athiest are satisfy with evolution theory too. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: What Is Atheism? by ScienceWatch: 1:38pm On Aug 09, 2018 |
Glycolysis:What low-level unregistered atheists wrongly believe is that FAITH require no evidence. Budaatum's view is indeed tradgically myopic as you quickly discovered. The almighty Jesus provided daily evidence of science defying miracles to build the FAITH of sincere observers so that they can glorify and worship joyfully. Today more than two thousand years later, truely anointed Christian pastors in many countries do the same. Glycolysis, I pray that the proof that God gave you by the radical miraculous change you personally experienced will be protected by the power of the Holy Spirit. Jesus sends you as a sheep among wolves who's sole propose is to rip and rend your incredible connection to God through the Jesus. Sir, always remember Jesus loving warnings concerning this. You are walking through the valley of the shadow of death. 1 Like 2 Shares |
Re: What Is Atheism? by budaatum: 2:01pm On Aug 09, 2018 |
vaxx:I wouldn't say I've met a single one on here. Point them out so I can personally educate them please! |
Re: What Is Atheism? by ScienceWatch: 2:10pm On Aug 09, 2018 |
vaxx:With all due respect to you Vaxx, I strongly reject pseudo scientific views on evolution. I have openly stated many times and everywhere that; ONLY A CLONED MONKEY WILL BELIEVE IN EVOLUTION. I have no problem with those that believe, but they should be aware that many corrupt scientists have colluded to destroy humanity's believe in a creator God in the same way atheists do. How does half-baked scientific theories on evolution benefit humanity ? Atheists ask Christians for evidence of God. All I ssk for is evidence of a day by day account of only one period listed below ; I assume atheists must know a lot about the period marked below with hash tags. Richard Dawkins indoctrinates atheists with a fishy story. Lol 4.6 billion years agoThe origin of the Earth 3.8 billion years agoFirst life arises 2.1 billion years agoEukaryotes evolved 1.1 billion years agoFirst sexually reproducing organisms 570 million years agoFirst arthropods evolve # # # 530 million years agoThe first fish 475 million years agoFirst land plants 385 million years agoFirst forests 370 million years agoThe first amphibians 320 million years agoThe earliest reptiles 225 million years agoThe dinosaurs evolve 200 million years agoThe mammals evolve 150 million years agoFirst birds 130 million years agoFlowering plants evolve 100 million years agoThe first bees evolve 65 million years agoDinosaurs and ammonites become extinct 14 million years agoThe first great apes appear 2.5 million years agoGenus Homo evolves 200 thousand years agoOur species, Homo sapiens evolves 10 thousand years agoEnd of the last Ice Age |
Re: What Is Atheism? by vaxx: 2:12pm On Aug 09, 2018 |
budaatum:you should know it is not in my habbit calling names. I rather give sample. But if I must do so because of this topic. I will rather wish you write to this two very anti- Darwin. They both wrote a book name “What Darwin got wrong” by Jerry Fodor and Massimo Piattelli-Malmarini, the two dude both claim they are “card-carrying atheists”. A Google search should tell you much. Another famous atheist philosopher named ""Thomas Nagel"" examined the logic (or lack thereof) within Darwinian evolution and physicalism in general. His book is called “Mind & Cosmos: Why the Materialist Neo-Darwinian Conception of Nature is Almost Certainly False”. Your rebuttal to this extreme mention individual will serve the society better than the atheist here on nairaland. With all due respect. I actually do not think all the so called ":athiest " on nairaland have duely convince themselves enough. Maybe some stands out anyway. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: What Is Atheism? by vaxx: 2:27pm On Aug 09, 2018 |
ScienceWatch:ok , so you reject evolution evidence base on the year difference right? BUT in advance, we are not apes nor monkey. We only share simil6arities with them. They are our nearest cousin. However, I am interested in the first question. Athiest are not necessary scientist. They are simply unbeliever in the existence of God. Though I agree some athiest hide under science to justify their position. I called them science atheist..... I have a thread on it. You can go ahead and read it. 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: What Is Atheism? by ScienceWatch: 2:59pm On Aug 09, 2018 |
vaxx:Thank you for your kind response sir. If you find time in your busy day, please let me have the link to your post on Science Atheists. About apes being our nearest cousin. I like to spend my holidays in Nature reserves. I always enjoy watching those apes but I never knew that they were my nearest cousins. The problem I am having after you shared this secret with me is that I have pay huge sums of money to enter my cousins property (Nature Reserve). I admire my cousins while there, but they wont do the same for me. Could it be that they are the more evolved ones mocking me the same way Buddaatum does ? 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: What Is Atheism? by vaxx: 3:30pm On Aug 09, 2018 |
ScienceWatch:stop making me laugh............lol. I am cracking my stomach. 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: What Is Atheism? by ScienceWatch: 3:32pm On Aug 09, 2018 |
vaxx:Not entirely. No I would never stoop so low sir. The topic heading is "What is Atheism." I notice that my approach makes atheists nervous because it touches the rotten root of the atheists dilemma. My question now is simple and relevant because I am giving atheists a grand opportunity to redeem themselves in front of the Christians and Muslims they have unceasingly mocked and insulted. I call on all mocking atheists to PROVE beyond reasonable doubts the year by year events off the periods marked with hash tags below. Let me remind atheists that Richard Dawkins indoctrinates atheists with a fishy story. 4.6 billion years ago -The origin of the Earth 3.8 billion years ago - First life arises 2.1 billion years ago - Eukaryotes evolved # # # 1.1 billion years ago - First sexually reproducing organisms 570 million years agoFirst arthropods evolve # # # 530 million years ago - The first fish |
Re: What Is Atheism? by ScienceWatch: 3:35pm On Aug 09, 2018 |
vaxx:My humble apologies sir. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: What Is Atheism? by vaxx: 3:36pm On Aug 09, 2018 |
ScienceWatch:Lol |
Re: What Is Atheism? by vaxx: 3:37pm On Aug 09, 2018 |
ScienceWatch:Apology accepted 1 Like |
Re: What Is Atheism? by ScienceWatch: 3:54pm On Aug 09, 2018 |
vaxx:It is instructive to note that Catholic popes and archbishops were big time supporters of gay and lesbian sex and marriage. They also supported the move to ordain gay and lesbian priests. They also supported hundreds of priests that sexualky abused children in their church by protecting those satanic criminals instead of standing up for the truth to do justice to those innocent young lives. It is no surprise that they support the pseudo science of evolution. |
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