paddy_lo:

In another thread u just said u will only live in Abuja if u come back to Nigeria

What I still have trouble with (among many other things) is how the government is supposed to have nothing to do with this, yet a whole strip of their shore is being extended, and a business district is to be built on the island. . . . . . supposedly. . . . .

what i still have problems with(among many other things) is why u keep drinking panadol for another mans headache?

U dont like this project fine. . .we heard u for the umpteenth time. . .
why not move along. . .

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paddy_lo:

what i still have problems with(among many other things) is why u keep drinking panadol for another mans headache?

U dont like this project fine. . .we heard u for the umpteenth time. . .
why not move along. . .

[b]@ paddy_lo

God bless you man. For once, I see a real Nigerian I would be proud to identify with.
Someone who doesnt engage in external locus of control like majority of Nigerians do.
We blame everything: curses, spilled blood of the innocents, God, satan, religion, culture, weather, the oil in the niger delta, the power hungry hausas, the janus-faced yourbas, the money grubbing ibos, the lazy deltans, slavery, colonialism, neocolonialism, over-population, our black pigmentation, greed, politics, democracy, the military, the media, the government; i have stood back watching you debate with ezeagu and his cotores, though seriously, im not a commentator on the political forum since most of the views posted there are propelled by naive optimism.

The first education Nigerians REALLY NEED is: if you cant take responsibility for your life now, you will never really make any meaningful change to your own life let alone of others. And you will get into high and influential places and keep hurling blames around, and end up like majority of the current losers we have in power. Jonathan Good luck can do what no Nigerian leader has done, if he takes responsibility and stands up for what would turn the country around. Fashola is doing that, and it's entirely evident? We did a personality test in my classroom, and we realized that if BRF ever contest for the presidency, he would threaten the hegemony of Dr. Goodluck and might kick him out of office come 2011. Why? Because he has taken full responsibility of Lagos, and he isn't running it in the irresponsible style his predecessors ran it.
I am not a Lagosian by birth. I formerly reside in Mowe Ibafo, Ogun State, but seeing most of the current things happening in Lagos, I have long relocated to Lagos, since I can see its going to be the New York of Nigeria. I wont waste my time crying over what IS, and look for a way to better my lot. I could have remained in Ogun State, but why sit in my comfort zone, and remain one of the loud critics of Fashola because he's not my governor, or attack him because of my personaly apathy to change.
You can counter-argue and call any views trash, the most important thing you need is doing what we call: an action analysis. I mean, are you twisting some meaningless theories around the fact, or twisting the fact around your thin-skinned theories?
All the best, I would identify with someone like paddy_lo though his arguments aren't final, and we all need to stop this negativism which is the ruling ideology in Nigeria.
For once, lets embrace change, and do our best to understand and support it. As long as its starting somewhere on our land, it wont take long before it reaches every states.[/b]

Thanks man we need more of u in Nigeria. . .me too am moving to Lagos
I will be leaving behind the 24hrs light of philadelphia. . .but its ok

In 10yrs time i will be having the last laugh. .
while the likes of kobojunkie will still be arguing online frustratingly from america. . .

They say vision is a rare commodity. . .I admire your vision for seeing the potential in lagos. . .
of course the vision espoused by our Governor is also quite motivating

Take care mate. . .cheers

OAM4J:


What else can one ask for? How can anyone be against this?

OAM4J:

I dont know how i miss this thread until now.

Kudos to you Paddy_lo, babapupa, Gbawe and others for holding forte the argument in support of this project.

I mean what problem can a private funded project like this give excepts benefits galore.

It is at no cost to the government, no loss to the people, or threat to the environment

but guarantee development, investments, job, and economic growth

What else can one ask for? How can anyone be against this?

ezeagu:

You can't attach a state of the art bungalow to an Aba block of flats. Does that explain it?

Kobojunkie:

did you try reading what those, if any, who are AGAINST it are saying, to know ?

OAM4J:

trust me, I read from the 1st post to the last, apart from few seeking clarifications, most of the argument against are ridiculous to say the least.

OAM4J:

like every city and region of each state you have visited all over the world being same?  

BTW, how do you define development and progress? let me guess, 'repeating the same thing over and over again'  

OAM4J:

trust me, I read from the 1st post to the last, apart from few seeking clarifications, most of the argument against are ridiculous to say the least.

Elaineh:

But Ezeagu, how many times have paddy_lo and co. stated that this is NOT a government project? It is being undertaken by PRIVATE companies for their own benefit.

But Ezeagu, how many times have paddy_lo and co. stated that this is NOT a government project? It is being undertaken by PRIVATE companies for their own benefit. It is not the responsibility of private corporations to ensure that all of the state's roads are tarred, that its slums are developed, etc. Building this city on the mainland would require razing people's property, destroying people's homes, rerouting existing roads, etc. Is that what you'd like to see happen? Certainly, I don't need to explain to you why that would be a problem. Are the private entities who want this city realized supposed to wait until the Lagos state government has hiroshimad an acceptable plot of land (twice the present size of VI, no less) on the mainland before they can start to build? Meanwhile, the Tokyos, Dubais and New Yorks of the world will continue to leave Lagos even farther behind in the dust.

I have never seen a situation where adding acreage to a country's existing territory by pushing back the waters and building on an area that was once just the deep blue sea is considered a problem. It blows my mind.

ezeagu:

I define progress by the ability to not have children manning boats to get to school, I define progress by the ability to at least tar up all your roads or get some 'private' company to do that before you start building districts in the Atlantic, I define progress by the ability to adapt to certain situations, e.g develop the swamp slums into something that could be tour-able, before building distractions in the sea. No one has said what this project has over any project that would have been planned in land. There is space if you fix your place up. I don't know any other reputable city whose inhabitants share the same standard of living as Lagos, yet their government is building cities in the sea without focussing solely on the most pressing problems.

ezeagu:

I define progress by the ability to not have children manning boats to get to school, I define progress by the ability to at least tar up all your roads or get some 'private' company to do that before you start building districts in the Atlantic, I define progress by the ability to adapt to certain situations, e.g develop the swamp slums into something that could be tour-able, before building distractions in the sea. No one has said what this project has over any project that would have been planned in land. There is space if you fix your place up. I don't know any other reputable city whose inhabitants share the same standard of living as Lagos, yet their government is building cities in the sea without focussing solely on the most pressing problems.

paddy_lo:

can u tell me how u go about acquiring orile iganmu?. . .what legal precedent will u use
Will u just bulldoze the poor people out of there,and then what if they cant afford the new houses built there?
what if they refuse to move?. . .

Where will the money come from?. . .As tax payers in Lagos,why should the rest of the state subsidize the poor people of orile iganmu
What of FESTAC,OJO,AMUWO ODOFFIN,IGBO-ILERI. . . Huh

It makes it different from V.I cause the developers will build all infrastructure including light rail. . . .Also provide power to the whole district
There is also no effective zoning in V.I. . .
A highrise building can be built close to a bungalow. . .

Here there are 5 or 6 districts. . the Financial district will be strictly for highrises. . .Besides i suspect with the high cost of plots it will make more sense to build up for most developers
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All of this on 4 square miles   You are definitely a sucker for advertisement and grand talking. bUt as it is, you are free to spend your money any where you deem fit.

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The Eko Atlantic ppl will construct the circular financial centre building. . . .
Most of the rest of the Area will be developed by private developers
Thats how its done worldwide. . .u cant expect one company to build 100highrises for u
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Read Mr Chagouri's mail to you, he clearly also stated that they have no say in what the developers build, just that they need to conform to certain zoning. That they build one circular financial centre within the estate doesn't make it any better than what it is. That teh developers, can build whatever they want, so long as they conform to zoning.


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Zoning means zoning. . in the financial district it might be say no building lower than 20floors. . . .
They dont have a say in what u build,(u can build 100floors),but nothing below
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And pray, tell me anywhere in the world that has a zoning formula /rule that stipulates the number of floors a building MUST HAVE within that zone. And please, don't confuse that highrises congregate together to mean that the zoning forced them to!

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The whole Lagos coastline has lots of free public beaches. . .this is just one tiny sliver and u are getting all worked up
There are private beaches everywhere in the world, miami, rio, cape town and so on. . . .
Plus i am not even sure the whole coastline will be off limits. . .the renders show public bars,restaurant and clubs lining the coast

And if u are a socialist cant help u out mate,I'll be Gordon Gecko and tell u Greed is good. . .cheers

GAR3TH:

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