Both estheragha and kobojunkie are saying the same thing but from different angle. Its like two people viewing a house at different angles. The one viewing from the front will claim to see garden and gate while the one viewing from the side will argue there is no gate or garden but only hanger with clothes on it and pegs holding the clothes to the rope. They both viewed the house and are both corqect. We as christian need to keep studying GOD'S WORDS To be able to go round the house and have the knowlege of every angle of it

Lighthouse50:
Both estheragha and kobojunkie are saying the same thing but from different angle. Its like two people viewing a house at different angles. The one viewing from the front will claim to see garden and gate while the one viewing from the side will argue there is no gate or garden but only hanger with clothes on it and pegs holding the clothes to the rope. They both viewed the house and are both corqect. We as christian need to keep studying GOD'S WORDS To be able to go round the house and have the knowlege of every angle of it

But you are very wrong in your insinuation there. We are clearly not saying the same thing here as it is clear from the discourse that what is claimed by the other is not that which scripture insists which is that only those who are under law can be sinners, transgressors of what is God's Law. We cannot be saying the same thing since scripture clearly has it that it is only by being under Law that one can be justified/declared righteous by God who is righteousness Himself. We cannot here be saying the same thing if scripture is explicit that only those who are under God's Law, born-again and as such a part of the Kingdom of God will be judged for Heaven or Hell when Jesus Christ returns in the end - Matthew 25 vs 31 - 46.

This isn't an issue that concerns seeing a gate and a garden, instead, it is about knowing the Truth of God from the many lies that have filled the world in His Name. .

Kobojunkie:
But you are very wrong in your insinuation there. We are clearly not saying the same thing here as it is clear from the discourse that what is claimed by the other is not that which scripture insists which is that only those who are under law can be sinners, transgressors of what is God's Law. We cannot be saying the same thing since scripture clearly has it that it is only by being under Law that one can be justified/declared righteous by God who is righteousness Himself. We cannot here be saying the same thing if scripture is explicit that only those who are under God's Law, born-again and as such a part of the Kingdom of God will be judged for Heaven or Hell when Jesus Christ returns in the end - Matthew 25 vs 31 - 46.

This isn't an issue that concerns seeing a gate and a garden, instead, it is about knowing the Truth of God from the many lies that have filled the world in His Name. .

Ok ma. I will take note of that.

Lighthouse50:
Ok ma. I will take note of that.

If you look closely you will see this too.

One of the greatest lies told by pastors and mogs for example, is that all persons who do not believe in Jesus Christ will end up on Hell. That directly contradicts the very teachings of Jesus Christ who instead taught His followers that only those who are born-again have access to the Kingdom of God either by way of the Broad Gate which leads to destruction(Hell) or the Narrow Gate which leads to true life(Heaven) - John 3 vs 5 - 8 and Matthew 7 vs 13 - 14. How can an unbeliever who has no access to the Kingdom of God end up in Hell? Do you judge a man who is a citizen of Nigeria by Laws that rule over those who are instead citizens of another country?

NO.
THE LIGHT IS ALWAYS IN RIGHTEOUSNESS AND SOVEREIGNTY. IT'S THE INDIVIDUALITIES IN HUMANS. IT'S UNENDING. IT CAN NOT BE LOST. IT KEEPS GROWING FROM YOUR BEGINNING TO THE END.

Lighthouse50:
Both estheragha and kobojunkie are saying the same thing but from different angle. Its like two people viewing a house at different angles. The one viewing from the front will claim to see garden and gate while the one viewing from the side will argue there is no gate or garden but only hanger with clothes on it and pegs holding the clothes to the rope. They both viewed the house and are both corqect. We as christian need to keep studying GOD'S WORDS To be able to go round the house and have the knowlege of every angle of it

If you read well,you ll see we are definitely not saying the same things.

Kobojunkie:
If you look closely you will see this too.

One of the greatest lies told by pastors and mogs for example, is that all persons who do not believe in Jesus Christ will end up on Hell. That directly contradicts the very teachings of Jesus Christ who instead taught His followers that only those who are born-again have access to the Kingdom of God either by way of the Broad Gate which leads to destruction(Hell) or the Narrow Gate which leads to true life(Heaven) - John 3 vs 5 - 8 and Matthew 7 vs 13 - 14. How can an unbeliever who has no access to the Kingdom of God end up in Hell? Do you judge a man who is a citizen of Nigeria by Laws that rule over those who are instead citizens of another country?

Where darkness encompasses, lies poses as truth. You are lying through your teeth, claiming to know.

If you correctly believe in Jesus and are truly bornagain, you go to Heaven. But if you incorrectly believe ( ie unsaved Christian/ not bornagain) or you don't believe at all, you end in hell.
John 3:18
“He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God."

The Bible is very clear on the fact that people who do not believe are condemned; this condemnation is the condemnation/ judgement of hell fire. Your knowledge of the Bible is quite limited yet you speak confidently though what you say are apparent lies.

estheragha:
■ Where darkness encompasses, lies poses as truth. You are lying through your teeth, claiming to know. If you correctly believe in Jesus and are truly bornagain, you go to Heaven. But if you incorrectly believe ( ie unsaved Christian/ not bornagain) or you don't believe at all, you end in hell.
■ John 3:18 “He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God."
The Bible is very clear on the fact that people who do not believe are condemned; this condemnation is the condemnation/ judgement of hell fire. Your knowledge of the Bible is quite limited yet you speak confidently though what you say are apparent lies.

1. There is absolutely no truth to that claim as there is no mention of going to Heaven after becoming born-again in the context of the conversation that is John 3 vs 1 - 21.

2. But there is no mention of hellfire or the judgment associated with it in the context of that verse which you continue to quote out of context though so how can you continue to make these claims of yours confidently when it clearly violates what is in fact stated in the text?