Alright, I am a fool. You are wise.

Nigerians are fools. I do not recognize this because I am a fool.
Only Kuwena is wise.

Nigerians, my people tend to envy; I do not recognize it because I am a fool.
Perhaps I also envy like Nigerians because I am one.

You love Africa so much and the best way to show it is to debase her and her people at every slightest opportunity?
Tell that to the marines!

Look at your lines of argument above.

Your maturity can almost be gauged by those lines of argument above.
And your tendency to lose your cool when you're confronted with a superior sense of reasoning is obvious.

It is very easy to hurl insults and names to someone who lays bare your folly to your face. Truth hurts!
It is also easy to hurl insults from a safe distance.

Anyone can insult anyone on the web, from the president to one's mother, father or even God.
You have even insulted God severally on this thread; so who am I?

If you were half as intelligent as you claim, you don't need to lose your cool. Argue as an intelligent man.

I leave the rest for the Nigerians and non-Nigerians that walk in and out of this thread to judge who the fool is.

I am beyond mindless name-callings.

This thread is back to life again At least with people like Kuwena and Okpokonwa around

Abi o!

Okpoko! You are not a good person. Gaskia, walahi!

Okay, let's cut out the fool or no fool thing. Let's get serious. All I have been saying about Africa can be summarized in these two simple points:

1. I don't feel I belong here in Nigeria. Don't hate me for saying so; it's just the way I have felt for a long time now.

2. I am dissatisfied with the state of affairs in Africa, and sometime in the future, especially when I am rich (I intend to be very rich) I hope to do something very tangible to help heal the motherland; something all the world will see.

So help me O God.

The two points above are not that simple though, and they can be further dissected:

1. How can a person who was born in Nigeria and spent his first 27 years there say he doesn't feel Nigerian; is he just 'forming'? This, to me, is a question of psychology. And I have wondered about it myself. But do you know what I have noticed? Let me tell you:

a. Ever since I can recall, I have been fascinated by that name, America. It has been so, right from childhood. One of my uncles, Raymond, lives permanently in the US, and I look so much like him that I could pass for his biological son (I even look more like him than I do my late father, and Ray has been there for at least 23 years now, and his daughter, Ellah Nze is an international sports figure. You can google the name Ellah Nze). Those days when he used to come and visit us at our duplex on 7th Avenue, Festac, I used to admire them, and wonder what this place was where people like these lived. I was only 4 or 5 back then.

b. As a child of seven I used to have a recurring dream. I would be running, chased by about three white men. They would be chasing me, wanting to capture me, and I would be running, until they converged on me, cuffed my hands and led me away, without anyone helping me. These days when I recall those dreams, I feel it was back then that America stole my soul. I have fallen irrevocably in love for that country called America. Like the love a man has for a beautiful virgin.

c. Sometime ago, I joined this website called www.thespark.com. They have a lot of psychometric tests there, and there was a test called the Americanness test. The test purports that some people, regardless of where they are, have 'americanness' in their blood. I laughed, but took the test. I scored 70%; I took it again, and still I scored 70%. The test said that of all people who had taken the test, I had performed more than 94% of them all, and that I had 'americanness' in my blood. They ranked me with names like Oprah, Roosevelt and Kutcher.

d. When I went for my embassy interview, there was this 'clicking' between me and the person interviewing me. My interview lasted only 3 minutes or so; the white man interviewing me would ask me a question, and then answer it himself; like: 'Are you going for education; indeed you are.' 'Do you have the finances to cover your stay? Oh, I'm sure you do; it says here that you work with Intercontinental,' and so on. He was virtually interviewing himself. And that is not how he treated the two people he interviewed before me. He denied both of them visa.

e. I notice that all the black Americans I have ever met in person have fallen head over heels in love with me. Sade called me her son; Adilah and Bill called me brother; another one called me the 'most beautiful thing she had seen since her plane touched down,' and so on and so forth. In every instance, there seemed to be a spiritual bonding between me and these American people. I can't explain it, but I know it's there.

Don't ask me if I think God made a mistake in making me first a Nigerian; but he has done His own; it is now left for me to do my own: make myself an American. St. Augustine of Hippo said, 'What we are is God's gift to us; what we become is our gift back to Him.' He was a very wise man.

2. How do I intend to do something to help Africa from the US?

This is something I have said severally on this thread. I intend to form a cult-company, or what Aniffy would call a social business. I intend to call it Catpar Inc. It will be a big, multinational company, and it will be chiefly interested in facilitating the springing up of literally thousands of companies all over Africa, for to employ all her youths. I think Africa needs many industries. Even Dangote has said that what Africa needs is investment, and not aid. And I think he is right. The Catparian Society (Catpar Inc.) will be made of four segments:

1. Outreach
2. Business development
3. Financial Management
4. Corporate Affairs.

All these facets will blend for one purpose: turning as many business ideas created by Africans into viable businesses. In Nigeria alone, do you know how many ideas are dying because of lack of encouragement? The other day I heard that there was this boy from Nsukka. He had crafted a refrigerator that could use mechanical, electrical and solar energies. I heard he came out on NTA to show off his craft. He called on 'well-meaning' Nigerians to help; sometime later, he came on NTA again, but not to call on well-meaning Nigerians to help with a fridge this time around, but with his stomach that had become bloated out of proportion. He is dead now, because no well-meaning Nigerian helped either with his fridge or with his bloated belly.

Now think: if the Catpar had been built already, all that boy would have done would have been to write to the Prefect, Catpar Inc, USA, and we would have swooped in to help him convert that single idea of his into a fridge company, producing many fridges and exporting them to all the world, while at the same time providing employment for many young graduates.

You see? I do not hate Africa; I am only dissatisfied with her state of affairs, and God knows I mean well. I wish her well. God knows; he sees my heart. Here is a poem I wrote. It won international recognition at the Mattia Canadian Poetry Society in 2005:

Mama Africa

I think of my Africa
Black woman of mettle
Sitting like a forlorn workwoman
On the slimy green

Mama let me help you up
Take my hand and heave
Just one move of muscle
Will raise you from your stooping

She sits still
Reluctant and bemused
Unrepentant of her inferior folly

I am agitated
Mama cannot go on such forever
One more effort must remind her
That I am still her son
And her shame is mine as well.

You can google it on Mattia, or using my own name; or the name of the poem. Thanks, and God bless you all.

Gotta go now; running out of time.

Guess who's Back?? Tell a a friend
Stannesi's back!!!

hahaha, wats happening was kinda enjoyin Opoks and Kuwena dealin cards, cheers dudes

i waz laughin out loud, buts wats much more funnier is Kuwena most recent post , i feel off my chairs,

Cheers to d Americana,

All i will say 4 nw is if that is your proof. of being an Americana that means, i be real white man oooo because my own intuition pass your own

Reality is merely an illusion, albeit a very persistent one.

sup PPl?

truce pls. This is a call to return to objective, positive minded postings on the thread.

You know what?

You guys have good writing skills. Kuwena you are good, why don't you monetize your writing skill?

I love being a Nigerian and that can never change.

A very close friend of mine travelled to the US some weeks back, he won visa lottery, one thing he keeps saying over and over is that there is nothing really special about the country, absolutely.

So, let's use our good writing skills to uphold the virtues of our beloved Nigeria. We can't deny or wish away the fact that we were born Africans.

Una welcome back to reality thread series.

It's high time that all these rubbish about Africa, Nigeria and/or Nigerians be stopped.

Kuwena
Read your subsequent posts last week and as usual, have a few holes to poke at them.

Did I read about your 'catparian' plans to help Africa in the future from the US?

Boo hooooooo!!!!!!!!! . . . . . . . Laugh no gree me.

Kindly save that your catpar (future) philantrophy for those who believe in fairy tales. I don't.

From someone who turned his back on his brothers simply because he fared better than them?
And refused to assist them up till this moment?

Oh! Wait a minute! . . . maybe I'm missing out on something here.

Someone who cannot help his own blood brothers to come out of their misery is proposing to help a whole continent in future?

Beats me.
Where is the saying that charity begins at home?

You see why I often consider your words to be so porous and your actions as pointers to the real you?

Kuwena, you have no love for anybody; not your brothers, not God and not your country but yourself!
Fine! Free world! But stop making a bad case of how the country and her people are treating you so poorly and envying you!
As though we have never seen anyone like you

Methinks that by now, you would have flown out of the country for good (having got your Visa?).
I mean, why are you still around?
I am sure that the Nigerian government is not holding you back abi money never complete?

If you hate a country and her people so much that you feel nothing good can ever come out of her, then why are you still here?

I wouldn't mind escorting you to the Airport and waving you a final bye bye!
I mean it is long overdue.

stannesi:


hahaha, wats happening was kind of enjoyin Opoks and Kuwena dealin cards, cheers dudes

i waz laughin out loud, buts wats much more funnier is Kuwena most recent post , i feel off my chairs,

Cheers to d Americana,

Stannesi, I can undersand your laughing!
The thing funny gooo!

But what I don't understand is how many chairs you were sitting on?

Three, four or five?

If there's one way I can still post on this thread, objctively; not drawing any attention to myself, but simply being and letting others be as well, in peace and tolerance, God, please help me find it. I beg you.

@Opoks, haha, had a feelin someone's ganna say that, but i wasn't expectin that person to be u, anyway i waz kind of expectin people likes Keno, i know this thread is filled with smart-asses like u, Anffi, Niyoi, 2pak, Kuwena, Alfa who pay attentn to details, unlike d weird ones like me and keno, , haha ok i guess waz too lazy to sit upright that day, so i rest ma back on one, and ma legs on d other, sometimes i use 3 lol.

Opoks leav kuwena alone jo., una really think say u sabi each other, wit just reading written words we call post. omo no dull yourself, ooo me gon sef,

Well, it's been a funny flurry of postings on the thread of late, and to be frank, I don't intend to plead with anyone to sheath his sword any longer. Looks like it's Opoks taking it out on Kuwena for his usual anti-Nigerian and anti-African sentiments (which everyone probably feels should be overlooked(?))
But something tells me that even if not Opoks, someone else would come along to ensure Kuwena meets his match. Funny thing about Kuwena's posts (with all due respect, of course!) is that he sounds at times like one whose mind is already made up, yet needs some sort of pityparty or public sympathy to endorse his choice of action. No way, guy. You go ahead and be proud of what u've decided to do. Go ahead and do it, I think that's Opoks is refering to in his last post so far.

For some of us, we're determind to bring a new dawn to Nigeria, NOT because we think we're perfect or experts, but because we've seen those who firmly stood their groun and made a mark in the noble task of repositioning Nigeria for greatness. Bad as things may seem today, the situatio is not as terrible as it could have been, simply because some dared to believe in a better tomorrow.

Kuwena, I wish U the very best in all your endeavours. But, pls, do not expect to receive endorsement or find acceptance for your ideas expressed on this thread. I think U'd hardly get that from the calivber of Nigerians who post on this thread. Opoks, there's no need over-flogging an issue. s one man said wisely, "what is the use of arguing at all? If I'm proved right, then it means my brother is wrong. And, of what value is it to me that my brother is proved wrong?"

@ Kuwena,

if U really got conviction about your dreams, act on it and travel - I believe U can. Staying back might get U depressed and psychologically harmful to the society.

Just a word of advice though,
America is not the kingdom of God, they still got stress over there. Intelligence is sometimes defined as one's ability/ease to adapt to changes, anywhere you find yourself get integrated to the people and culture while u r there and when u leave , U pick up another. Life is dynamic and change is inevitable. If U cant change Nigeria, change your mindset since as it stands for now, U aint got a choice.

Opoks abeg, your own don do jare, leave the young man (Kuwena) and let him feel free to express himself, you should try and get yourself a "LIFE" and stop rubbishing another man's dream, this should be a free thread where anyone can express him/herself without fear of "Opoks" and his synical views, It's his choice to leave naija and its your choice to remain in Glo, so let it be, abeg!!! Your own too much jare,

Skeelo and Kenosky, una welllll

Hi ya, all! Just taking some time off to appreciate and welcome the relatively new posters on the thread. It's quite unfortunate that it's this regretable fiery xchange that welcomes you (or was it actually what drew U out in the first place? ) Cos it's obvious that U've all been silently reading thru the thread up to this point,

Euphoria, Izi-n-bizi, kg (what a short, smart pen name!Hope it doesn't get modified or "shortened", along the line, to something longer!)

It's understandable that most of the frequent posters are just hanging out not, chilling out till the temperature of the thread chills down to a comfortable enough level , courtesy of Opoks/Kuwena. By the way, hope it's all disagreement on principles, and not on frivolities or personality clashes?

Have a slendid "rest-of-the-week", Cheers all!

Hi All, Still haven't gotten around to catching up with the thread. Had to travel again and now I've resumed work again. But I'm sure I'll do that (catch up with the flow) in the next couple of days. Hope Opoks and Kuwena don finish dem roforofo fight? Kenonsky U still dey drop those your early morning late night one liners? Alfa and every other person I hail o. Make i go sleep. Work dey tomorrow, maybe I go get chance read thread small tomorrow for office. Ciao.

:-x

I want to use this opportunity to formally RESIGN from this thread. I will never post here again. I want to thank all those who have made my stay on this thread fun. Now, however, it's time to walk. Goodbye all. Forever. God bless you all.

I had a very interesting geography teacher way back sec school.
His name ?
Mr kolawole.

He once told us that when a man truly wants to commit suicide,

he doesnt leave a note or call b4 making the plunge.

He just goes into the well head first, to ensure there'l be no chance of survival

anything else is just a ploy to grab attention.


@all
How una dey ?

Long time but no be my fault sha

God bless.

I think someone's bday is comin up soon on this thread.

@ pak

Are you on yahoo msg?

Hey, Pak et al!
How things on the thread? That Geogy teacher of yours was real correct. In fact, psychologists say that when someone talks frequently about suicide, it's almost a sure thing he won't ever dare it; but that history has shown that the actual suicides don't ever breathe a word of their plans to anyone b4 going commiting it. So they always look out for those who start getting depressed and reclusive, even if such never mentions suicide.

any way,, no need to talk suicides, cos whereever there's life, there has always been hope of the sun rising again.

Cheers all! My laptop charge just got "burnt" in a power surge. (Had enough warning, actually.) May not post again until I get a chance to replace it, weekend perhaps,

kuwena:

I want to use this opportunity to formally RESIGN from this thread. I will never post here again. I want to thank all those who have made my stay on this thread fun. Now, however, it's time to walk. Goodbye all. Forever. God bless you all.

My first reaction was:


_{I mean, who won't laugh at this?}

Then:




_{Na today?} ^{rolls eyes}

Frankly speaking, Kuwena has 'RESIGNED'

Alfaprime's laptop charge just got "burnt"

Kenosky is 'silent'

Aniffy just reappeared but only wants to chat on Yahoo! messenger
_{with his kindred 'friend' Pak}

Who else would have a temporal or permanent 'dislodgement'?

While I wait for reactions from other 'ghost posters' and fairly-regulars alike
I'm considering taking a walk too.

_{No be only me go dey here now}


But frankly Kuwena, I think you needed the break.
Kindly use it to re-appraise what you have posted (all your posts)
And consider the impact it may have made on other people.

Kindly use it to assess your words and actions
And see whether you have made 'good' of all you said, did or not do.
And to what extent that you did.

Use it to assess the many reactions that you had ellicited from people on this thread
Including those who have left, what they either said to you at one time or another.

Most importantly, use it to assess the impression the character Kuwena may have made on people
And imagine what could be going on in people's minds, if and when they ever meet you.

I have had the privilege of meeting you and spent hours with you.
Just like Adrianic and Wandel did.
Hence I feel no surprises.

But tell me that you may abandon this thread forever?
Na by muscle?

Unless the rest of us leaves as well.

Maybe, by the time you come back, if you come back and if the rest of us are still here,
you may learn to respect other people's feelings about their country, roots, heritage and values, even if you don't share same.

Had this been a Jewish-dominated thread, you won't survive consistent anti-Jewish rants
Had it been an Islamc-dominated thread, you won't survive anti-islamc rants either.

I have even been to a thread littered with a few Ghanaians
And saw how they tore apart anyone who had any anti-Ghana sentiment.
I was proud of them.

But all sorts of rubbish were 'tolerated' by the threaders here in the name of 'tolerance' and love.
Nobody wants to be a bad guy

If it wasn't about 'the Christian God', it was about Nigeria littered with witches, envious and less ambitous people.

If it wasn't that you were too fine, spoke with panache, walked with a chest pushed out to the wind and people envying you
It was about a Catparian (or Dogparian) secret sect where you even made reference to drinking blood!

If it wasn't about you never marrying b/c you wanted to make money (whoever told you that?)
It was about threaders joining your village people to envy you.
Phew! I need air!

The Nigerians on this thread are very tolerant.
I differ.

Adieu! Enjoy your rest!

I hope you come back a better person.
If you come back.

Once upon a time, this used to be an educative and interesing thread, cant believe we are still fighting

Which way Nigeria?

uchetobi:

Once upon a time, this used to be an educative and interesing thread, can't believe we are still fighting

Once upon a time indeed .  .  .

Yes, it could have remained educative and interesting if people refrained from spinning polarising and racially divisive posts!
I'm even appalled that it comes from (supposedly) one of our own.

Secondly it could also have remained educative and interesting if perpertually silent readers like you had played a more active role.
Perhaps a more 'positive' role (however you may refer to it).

But everyone is quick to judge when the cookie crumbles.

Kuwena might have been annoying and divisive with his posts.
But he had more 'liver' than most people that I've met on this thread.
He had the 'liver' to live his life and exhibit his weaknesses, ignorannce and sometimes stupidity, no matter what anybody thought.

For that alone, I gbadun him.

So many pretenders walk into the thread only when a fight erupts.
Beyond that, they have absolutely nothing meaningful to contribute.

Adieu Kuwena!