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HigherEd:

Did you just compare asheshi yo Covenant. Covenant university is rated higher than both asheshi and uni of ghana legon. Check times higher 2019 rankings.

Do you realised many ranking organizations also ranks legon higher (i mean university of Ghana) bro, No single set of rankings is sufficient. Times higer does a good job of capturing high level reputation scores i agree , but are fairly easy to game if you're willing and able, because many of their metrics are game able and focus on campus level statistics which are malleable. It is just a matter of playing the game well. Will love to show a particular university in the usa that was rank between 168 but moved to 48 position in the consequent year.

You yourself can evaluate those school yourself without relying so much on the ranking system. Visit legon yourself and come back to compare it with convenant or perharps ashesi. Also try to look at global reputation. Legon command the highest respect in west africa and ashesi is gradually moving up. Legon had produce four Ghana sitting president( who are either economist or lawyers) Even UI can't pride himself on this.

Damolux01:
Don't be deceived. Quality education can never be affordable for all. it doesn't come cheap. If you doubt this assertion...don't reply me...go ask IVY LEAGUE schools. If you want it cheap. Go to federal Unis.

Lol, let me counter your generalized assertion with one counter example..

Quality education can come cheap or even free, from the world's very best universities..Lol. How? Through partial or full scholarships. These are few instances, but it's not impossible. Lol..I got cheap to free education...

But I get your point..Though there are countries where quality education can in fact be available cheap or free to all. Most schools in France don't pay school fees or pay little. Germany, Finland, Sweden, Norway is the same..And the education at these places are top notch, though not ivy league..Some even open this free education to foreigners. Many Nigerians have taken advantage of this.

I may send this post to a CU professor, lol, to ask that - I heard you guys will get an academic Nobel prize in 4 years. Haha.

vaxx:
Do you realised many ranking organizations also ranks legon higher (i mean university of Ghana) bro, No single set of rankings is sufficient. Times higer does a good job of capturing high level reputation scores i agree , but are fairly easy to game if you're willing and able, because many of their metrics are game able and focus on campus level statistics which are malleable. It is just a matter of playing the game well. Will love to show a particular university in the usa that was rank between 168 but moved to 48 position in the consequent year.

You yourself can evaluate those school yourself without relying so much on the ranking system. Visit legon yourself and come back to compare it with convenant or perharps ashesi. Also try to look at global reputation. Legon command the highest respect in west africa and ashesi is gradually moving up. Legon had produce four Ghana sitting president( who are either economist or lawyers) Even UI can't pride himself on this.

Forget most of these African universities...They should be looking at UCT and other SA universities that are miles ahead of them before they start aspiring to be top 50 in 100 years, lol.

Admitwithschola:


Forget most of these African universities...They should be looking at UCT and other SA universities that are miles ahead of them before they start aspiring to be top 50 in 100 years, lol.

lol.....if there is any school in W africa that is still making me whaoo up till date . It is that ashesi ( i don't know if they can sustained it but nearly 100 percent of their graduate get fixed after school.)only devil knows how they do it.

Actually i am not a fan of ranking system since most of them are subjective in task. using Germany uni as an example, she is not ranked welll yet her graduates her well celibrated in the world.

vaxx:
Do you realised many ranking organizations also ranks legon higher (i mean university of Ghana) bro, No single set of rankings is sufficient. Times higer does a good job of capturing high level reputation scores i agree , but are fairly easy to game if you're willing and able, because many of their metrics are game able and focus on campus level statistics which are malleable. It is just a matter of playing the game well. Will love to show a particular university in the usa that was rank between 168 but moved to 48 position in the consequent year.

You yourself can evaluate those school yourself without relying so much on the ranking system. Visit legon yourself and come back to compare it with convenant or perharps ashesi. Also try to look at global reputation. Legon command the highest respect in west africa and ashesi is gradually moving up. Legon had produce four Ghana sitting president( who are either economist or lawyers) Even UI can't pride himself on this.

So you yourself, you literally visited all these schools one after the other to draw your above conclusions?

TheVictorious:


So you yourself, you literally visited all these schools one after the other to draw your above conclusions?

Yes i have been there, Any problem?

VULCAN:
Knowing Oyedepo and his incessant quest for practical knowledge on anything he puts his mind to achieve......

I would suggest you talk about what you know. Nobody that has attended that church or observed the way they get things done will doubt the goal, the best anyone that knows him can say is "it might take longer than he thinks"

It's a Nigerian disease to be so authoritative in matters you know little or nothing about. Dude, use Google.

vaxx:
Yes i have been there, Any problem?

There Which of the schools? Asked if you visited all!

You said HigherED should forget about rankings and visit the three schools to draw an opinion, so I'm asking have you visited All three yourself before arriving at your conclusion?

TheVictorious:


There Which of the schools? Asked if you visited all!

You said HigherED should forget about rankings and visit the three schools to draw an opinion, so I'm asking have you visited All three yourself before arriving at your conclusion?

i just said i have been there( meaning all)is that hard for you to understand. So now tell me your problem?

And no where do i say he should forget about ranking? I only gave him clue on how times higher carry out her ranking system.

vaxx:
i just said i have been there( meaning all)is that hard for you to understand. So now tell me your problem?

And no where do i say he should forget about ranking? I only gave him clue on how times higher carry out her ranking system.

Guy don't be funny. I know asheshi very well and i can assure you it is not better than covenant university. In fact asheshi is just like American Uni of Nigeria, notjing more. In facilities, research they do not compare with CU.

vaxx:
I just said I have been there( meaning all)is that hard for you to understand. So now tell me your problem?

And nowhere do I say he should forget about ranking? I only give him clue on times higher carry out her ranking system.

Fair enough.

Ashesi is also ranked below Covenant by Webometrics and 4ICU (UniRank), so by what parameter(s) do you draw your conclusion of Ashesi being better than the former?

HigherEd:

Guy don't be funny. I know asheshi very well and i can assure you it is not better than covenant university. In fact asheshi is just like American Uni of Nigeria, notjing more. In facilities, research they do not compare with CU.

i will not be doing dick measurement with you. Google is there to check on how ashesi uni is branding Ghana.

Ashesi is not equivalent to American university of Nigeria. Ashesi is fully owned by a bloody Ghanaian and with much more Ghanaian oriented method of practice .

TheVictorious:


Fair enough.

Ashesi is also ranked below Covenant by Webometrics and 4ICU (UniRank), so by what parameter(s) do you draw your conclusion of Ashesi being better than the former?

firstly understand how ranking system work, 41cu and webometric are only after web traffic. Which means the more you input a particular school into a search engine, the more the webometric database capture it and uses it as an evaluator. Convenant uni is more populated than ashesi and therefore more student are expected to use the search engine. Giving more recognition to covenant.


And to be sincere with you , there is so much bias among those doing the rankings or defining the algorithms, combined with the fact that universities vary in their areas of competence (MIT is a lot better than Harvard at producing engineers but Harvard is a lot better than MIT at producing physicians, for example) so that rankings are of very limited value

vaxx:
Do you realised many ranking organizations also ranks legon higher (i mean university of Ghana) bro, No single set of rankings is sufficient. Times higer does a good job of capturing high level reputation scores i agree , but are fairly easy to game if you're willing and able, because many of their metrics are game able and focus on campus level statistics which are malleable. It is just a matter of playing the game well. Will love to show a particular university in the usa that was rank between 168 but moved to 48 position in the consequent year.

You yourself can evaluate those school yourself without relying so much on the ranking system. Visit legon yourself and come back to compare it with convenant or perharps ashesi. Also try to look at global reputation. Legon command the highest respect in west africa and ashesi is gradually moving up. Legon had produce four Ghana sitting president( who are either economist or lawyers) Even UI can't pride himself on this.

ABU has produced more presidents than UI, does that mean ABU is better?

SpoiltVirgin:
ABU has produced more presidents than UI, does that mean ABU is better?

it is not about better here...it shows the presence of reputation that will be accord to such school. Check oxford, Cambridge and harvard and look out how their position define the political structure of thier country. These school produce the powerful men of thier country and in such a way becomes the face value of thier country

As far as i know Abu only produce i single president

vaxx:
firat, understand how rankimg system work, 41cu and webometric are only after web traffic. Wbich means the more you input a particular school into a search engine, the more the webometric database capture it and uses it as an evaluator. Convenant uni is more populated than ashesi and therefore more student are expected to use the search engine. Giving more recognition to covenant.


And to be sincere with you , there is so much bias among those doing the rankings or defining the algorithms, combined with the fact that universities vary in their areas of competence (MIT is a lot better than Harvard at producing engineers but Harvard is a lot better than MIT at producing physicians, for example) so that rankings are of very limited value.

For 4ICU; yes! For Webometrics; I beg to differ. Don't just assume. Go through their methodologies.
4ICU: https://www.4icu.org/about/index.htm#ranking
Webometrics: http://www.webometrics.info/en/current_edition

Now conduct a quick search into raw files present in scholarly databases .. you'd see that Ashesi is only but a "new school" compared to Covenant, or even just any other serious school all over the world.

Research gate:

CU:https://www.researchgate.net/institution/Covenant_University_Ota_Ogun_State_Nigeria
Ashesi:https://www.researchgate.net/institution/Ashesi_University_College

Google Scholar:

CU: https://scholar.google.com/citations?view_op=view_org&org=18224868971208705017&hl=en&oi=io
Ashesi: https://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&as_sdt=0,5&qsp=1&q=ashesi+university+college&qst=b
They've not even got verified user profiles on GS. Guy are you joking??

Scopus/Elsevier: Only Times Higher Education (THE) research/citation analysis can reveal but Ashesi has NEVER been ranked by the THE. Never ever! "Do you care to know the minimum criteria for a University to be ranked by the THE?"

https://www.timeshighereducation.com/student/where-to-study/study-in-ghana
https://www.timeshighereducation.com/student/where-to-study/study-in-nigeria

In conclusion; I think comparing Ashesi to CU is too unreasonable. Tell your self the truth bro. You probably don't like CU's funding body.

How about comparing Ashesi with the prestigious University of Ghana (which CU and UI just overtook in the global ranking - by a wide margin)?

TheVictorious:


For 4ICU; yes! For Webometrics; I beg to differ. Don't just assume. Go through their methodologies.
4ICU: https://www.4icu.org/about/index.htm#ranking
Webometrics: http://www.webometrics.info/en/current_edition

Now conduct a quick search into raw files present in scholarly databases .. you'd see that Ashesi is only but a "new school" compared to Covenant, or even just any other serious school all over the world.

Research gate:

CU:https://www.researchgate.net/institution/Covenant_University_Ota_Ogun_State_Nigeria
Ashesi:https://www.researchgate.net/institution/Ashesi_University_College

Google Scholar:

CU: https://scholar.google.com/citations?view_op=view_org&org=18224868971208705017&hl=en&oi=io
Ashesi: https://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&as_sdt=0,5&qsp=1&q=ashesi+university+college&qst=b
They've not even got verified user profiles on GS. Guy are you joking??

Scopus/Elsevier: Only Times Higher Education (THE) research/citation analysis can reveal but Ashesi has NEVER been ranked by the THE. Never ever! "Do you care to know the minimum criteria for a University to be ranked by the THE?"

https://www.timeshighereducation.com/student/where-to-study/study-in-ghana
https://www.timeshighereducation.com/student/where-to-study/study-in-nigeria

In conclusion; I think comparing Ashesi to CU is too unreasonable. Tell your self the truth bro. You probably don't like CU's funding body.

How about comparing Ashesi with the prestigious University of Ghana (which CU and UI just overtook in the global ranking - by a wide margin)?

Google up the methodology adopted by these ranking body and use it against me, dont provide links that assert where they place each school.


Lets talk on methodology if you want to debate


Let me even help you, visit their sites and lets discusd about their method.

http://www.webometrics.info/en/Methodology

vaxx:
Google up the methodology adopted by these ranking body and use it against me, dont provide links that assert where they place each school.


Lets talk on methodology if you want to debate


Let me even help you, visit their sites and lets discusd about their method.

http://www.webometrics.info/en/Methodology

I'm up for the debate.

Besides ...methodology isn't all I talked about.

You didn't (really) read my post bro.

TheVictorious:


I'm up for the debate.

Besides ...methodology isn't all I talked about.

You didn't (really) read my post bro.

i do get your point but you miss the whole premises. Ranking of UniversIty is biased in scope, the methodology adopted is not objective. Different organization with diffrent perspectives. Why don't you check on prestige instead of ranking. .University prestige is a bit different from university rankings. Prestige is not quantifiable, so it can’t easily be gamed like rankings. What rankings do is structure university admissions and research to maintain or improve each school’s rank, so quantifiable publication and admissions data become central. Stupid. So very stupid i must say.

vaxx:
Google up the methodology adopted by these ranking body and use it against me, dont provide links that assert where they place each school.


Let's talk on methodology if you want to debate


Let me even help you, visit their sites and let's discuss their method.

http://www.webometrics.info/en/Methodology

Don't get yourself confused. How about this: http://www.webometrics.info/en/current_edition

Besides; did you read this: http://www.webometrics.info/en/Methodology ?? [See the attached pics]

TheVictorious:


Don't get yourself confused. How about this: http://www.webometrics.info/en/current_edition

Besides; did you read this: http://www.webometrics.info/en/Methodology ?? [See the attached pics]

you are indirectly repeating what i wrote up. Their aim is to fercilitate internet presence. Which means if i start a school today and i am able to enrol a quite number of student . Who will be willing to interconnect on the web links, i will immediately be recognised by webometric.


You can see how myopic is that , not all school will be willing to participate in full fledge online presence. Even some american uni still lrefer the ild traditional method.

vaxx:
i do get your point but you miss the whole premises. Ranking of UniversIty is biased in nature, the methodology adopted is not objective. Different organization with diffrent perspectives. Why don't you check on prestige instead of ranking. .University prestige is a bit different from university rankings. Prestige is not quantifiable, so it can’t easily be gamed like rankings. What rankings do is structure university admissions and research to maintain or improve each school’s rank, so quantifiable publication and admissions data become central. Stupid. So very stupid i must say.

If you argue that prestige isn't quantifiable then there is neither need for benchmarking nor comparison ..how much more a debate.

Different organizations with different perspectives as is the case with ranking bodies is the reason why different schools top different rankings and a particular school can outshine another in a ranking (ranking A) but become outshone by the same school in another ranking (ranking B). But In a case where a school trumps another in ALL the rankings (which is the case with CU vs Ashesi), then differences in the ranking methodologies makes no case for the lowly-ranked school.

At the emboldened. False once again! Heard of University reputation rankings? There are many schools (Caltech, MIT, Stanford, etc.) "better" than Harvard as it stands now, but Harvard still competes favorably with them in global rankings because of reputation score. In the stand-alone reputation rankings - none of these unis come anywhere close to Harvard.

vaxx:
you are indirectly repeating what i wrote up. Their aim is to fercilitate internet presence. Which means if i start a school today and i am able to enrol a quite number of student . Who will be willing to interconnect on the web links, i will immediately be recognised by webometric.


You can see how myopic is that , not all school will be willing to participate in full fledge online presence. Even some american uni still lrefer the ild traditional method.

Bro ..simply open this thing and read now. You're making this thing tire me. Academic web presence. You can't claim to be teaching well if you're not researching and you can't claim to be researching well if your papers ain't getting published and cited by reputable journals (which are all available online). Do you understand now?

TheVictorious:


If you argue that prestige isn't quantifiable then there is neither need for benchmarking nor comparison ..how much more a debate.

Different organizations with different perspectives as is the case with ranking bodies is the reason why different schools top different rankings and a particular school can outshine another in a ranking (ranking A) but become outshone by the same school in another ranking (ranking B). But In a case where a school trumps another in ALL the rankings (which is the case with CU vs Ashesi), then differences in the ranking methodologies makes no case for the lowly-ranked school.

At the emboldened. False once again! Heard of University reputation rankings? There are many schools (Caltech, MIT, Stanford, etc.) "better" than Harvard as it stands now, but Harvard still competes favorably with them in global rankings because of reputation score. In the stand-alone reputation rankings - none of these unis come anywhere close to Harvard.

Hardly at all. Rankings will sell books, magazines, and advertisements. They “feed the beast” of college anxiety. Every ranking uses its own methodology, and some of the metrics are always suspect in which i have given enough prove above.

Again rankings depend upon parameters that can be manipulated easily. For example one parameter that defines ranking of a university is the percentage of candidates accepted to the university. Lower acceptance rates mean the university is more sought after. Most high ranking universities keep their application criterion low and approachable so more people are eligible to apply but select the same amount of top few candidates that they normally would. This artificially reduces the acceptance rate by a significant amount. Additionally if they are selling prospectuses they can make a lot of money by doing this so it’s a win-win scenario for them since most universities are often revenue focused.


A good non for profit university cannot be tied down with this structure.

TheVictorious:


Bro ..simply open this thing and read now. You're making this thing tire me. Academic web presence. You can't claim to be teaching well if you're not researching and you can't claim to be researching well if your papers ain't getting published and cited by reputable journals (which are all available online). Do you understand now?

Nearly all german uni are not well ranked .This is because in Germany most top level research is done in Institutes like the Fraunhofer Institute, Max-Plank Institute etc. The universities as such are involved mainly with the teaching.. So basically they just don't get the credit for most of the work that is done even though its the University Professors, Students and Researchers who are doing the research. So will you say because of this British and american university are doing better than german uni because the ranking says so.

SpoiltVirgin:
ABU has produced more presidents than UI, does that mean ABU is better?

Truth is
in West Africa, Ashesi is better than anything that exists
Products of Ashesi are even outcompeting UG

Just30:
Truth is
in West Africa, Ashesi is better than anything that exists
Products of Ashesi are even outcompeting UG

I just wish they know

vaxx:
Hardly at all. Rankings will sell books, magazines, and advertisements. They “feed the beast” of college anxiety. Every ranking uses its own methodology, and some of the metrics are always suspect in which I have given enough prove above.

Again rankings depend upon parameters that can be manipulated easily. For example, one parameter that defines ranking of a university is the percentage of candidates accepted to the university. Lower acceptance rates mean the university is more sought after. Most high ranking universities keep their application criterion low and approachable so more people are eligible to apply but select the same amount of top few candidates that they normally would. This artificially reduces the acceptance rate by a significant amount. Additionally, if they are selling prospectuses they can make a lot of money by doing this so it’s a win-win scenario for them since universities are often revenue focused.


A good non for profit university cannot be tied down with this structure.

You have finally decided to ignore the academic parameter that make reputable rankings - which I've been pointing you to; also contained in a methodology which link you attached earlier. Fine!

You still do not have any answer to my point that begs a question of why Covenant ranks higher than Ashesi in "EVERY" ranking

Let's call this a day. Since you claim that Ashesi is better than Covenant ("having visited both" ...by what criteria do you rate Ashesi better than Covenant?

vaxx:
Google up the methodology adopted by these ranking body and use it against me, dont provide links that assert where they place each school.


Lets talk on methodology if you want to debate


Let me even help you, visit their sites and lets discusd about their method.

http://www.webometrics.info/en/Methodology

I gave you like to "raw files" from databases including a pic of webometrics methodology (attached again), yet you wrote the above Bro, you're just trying hard to foist your sentiments on me and every reader!