Trendishine:
If those morons in d name of traditional donkeys, know anything, they wld come to realize dat the knife that has torn to pieces d fabrics of the protectorates they are expected to preside for n bring their people n society to its maxim, was placed by the very cunning british white man sitting in front of them, planted by their ancestors, n handed over to them, who took advantage of the chronic ignorance of d North, mixed with warped bigotry, a disease gotten to insanity in d heads of dis northern wags, blinded them to the suffering n death of their own ppl, dsame practice they wanna spread across d federation.. N the white man who never wanted their growth n independence, choose to always come around once in a wyl n see how d bounty in is farm is fending, n if his puppets are still in line nearly after over a 100year of farce n charade amalgamation, n further pseudo- balkanization to keep d confusion n their control... The British wld answer for all dia suppression of freedom N liberation in every society n part of d world, coast to coast, no matter how long.....Stealers of artifacts...

You are wise bro, let's keep spreading the message of emancipation for our blind people.

Ifiokumo:
There you all in your presence see the Agents working to destroy you and your families and your nations....See them in costume....

I pity BLACK AFRICANS

You are wise... We get no benefits from these British and western parasites, all they come for is to monitor their common wealth investment. Evil souls.

bettercreature:
Go back to school and tell them to teach you UNITARY STATE,PARLIAMENTARY SYSTEM and CONSTITUTIONAL MONARCHY then come back to comment on this post

Good bless you.... One of the few educated Nigerians remaining.

Hotfreezer:


Your problem is illiteracy.

Obi Igwe Martha Dunkwu, the traditional ruler of Obodogba village, Okpanam in Oshilili North Local Government of Delta State is female.

2 out of 1000?

akeentech:
Sultan by the right, Oni by the left the rest are just mere kings. He's very close to Oni than Sultan why?

Because Ooni is an Oracle King. King of all kings, placed in that position by God.

That's why.

victorian:







Because Ooni is an Oracle King. King of all kings, placed in that position by God.

That's why.

fallacy!!!!
don't let the gods themselves visit you!!!!

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NwaAmaikpe:



Chai, I pity the Oba of Benin.
Upon all his effizy, see where they seated him.
At the far back.

He didn't even get to seat near an ordinary Prince.
Later he'd expect me to say "Oba gha to kpere".

With the way the Northern monarchs are seated next to Prince Charles, you can tell that the British think Nigeria belongs to the North.

Once again.
I pity the Oba of Benin for this humiliation.

I hear say the oba na axe man too I just dey pray to God make he touch rugged birds heart make them nor use am count scores because for Benin ehee airlords dey vex no joy �

The only true king the is the Oba of Edo, Obi of onitsha and the youngest among then Ooni of Ife

The rest are not traditional ruler instead they are Islamic religious leaders

In Reply to sangresan on the post "Prince Charles Meets Nigerian Traditional Rulers" wherein you replied me with the following words:

Tales from Arabian Nights:

Oyo was founded by an Ife Prince-

As if Oduduwa himself was an Ife man...

Oba of Benin paid tribute to the Ooni of Ife-

As if visiting the shrine of the Bini prince called Oduduwa is synonymous with paying tribute

You have a YouTube video-

History on YouTube...Clap for yourself


Jacob Egarevba was the authority on Benin History-

Look, my friend, Egarevba has been variously discredited just like other historians of his time...


It all goes down to where Oduduwa came from....

From heaven on a chain, from Mecca as some deluded folks still believe, or from Bini (as it's being investigated by university dons)?


You even tried....but you haven't told us the position of the Ooni among Oduduwa children...Is he no.1 or 2 or 3?....lol

catch you later.




My reply (For some strange reasons I could no longer post on that thread, so Im having it here):

Lol ... You didn't answer the question which your conclusion about Oyo begs, instead you seem to be pushing it to me. The question of where the Oyos came from if not from Ife.


That Oyo was founded by Oromiyan an Ife price is the widely attested position even by the Oyos themselves. If you want to contradict the Oyo people's own history, then you are in for a big job. Please feel free to quote your apparently unknown sources which contradicts widely attested fact admitted even by the same people you appear to be defending. This is interesting.

Oduduwa was a leader of one of the many waves of home-coming migration of the "Yorubas" from the North-East of Africa. I have written extensively on this in two extensive replies I gave (to fero007 and to Opiletool respectively) on the post "Why Do They Hate Been Called Yoruba". [Please refer to this link: https://www.nairaland.com/4810124/why-hate-been-called-yoruba/1#72743295]


Yes, Oba of Beni paid tribute to Ile-Ife (and you heard that loud and clear). The modern spin, twist and re-reading by the Binis that Oduduwa himself was one and the same as a certain Benin prince by the name Ekaladerhan is not helpful at all as it leaves many clashes with widely held and established historical facts.

First, it is not founded anywhere in the primary writings on Benin's history [whether Binis like Egharevba or not because of his candidness, he is still the foremost and primary writer of Benin extraction on Benin's History]. And in history the writings closest to the events (i.e. the earliest written sources) has more weight than later writings that disagrees with it. In fact, according to the "criterion of embarrassment", there is no reason why Egharevba would have deliberately demeaned his own origin if reverse was the case. The logical explanation according to this "criterion of embarrasment" is that he was only stating facts with candidness and respect for history.

Secondly, The Ekaladerhan - Oduduwa equation is found only among the Binis and not corroborated externally anywhere else, not even among Benin's closest neighbors. The name itself (not even its equation with Oduduwa) exists in very little (if at all it exists) in the oral tradition of any of the Bini neighbors. In fact, there has been no relevant oral tradition among any of the circumjacent peoples that can recognize Ekaladerhan or identify him as Oduduwa.


Thirdly, the fact that Oduduwa had so much influence (of diverse sorts) on the culture he met at Ile-Ife, coupled with the fact that the Ifes in much later centuries proved to be highly civilized and organized than the Edos (considering their introduction of the art and science of metal casting to the Edos; their introduction of a monarchy system (the Oba system) which permanently replaced the Ogiso system up till today; their introduction of horses to the people of Igodomigodo as they would be seeing one for the first time when Oromiyan arrived as mentioned by the prominent historian on Benin, Paula Ben-Amos; etc.; all points to the fact that Igodomigodo or Benin is not that country where Oduduwa came to Ife from).

The contradiction from the latter redaction can never be reconciled, and Oduduwa is certainly not from Igodomigodo or Benin. That nonsense is simply a later redaction by some lowly esteemed ethnocentric folks.


Regarding whether or not Oduduwa descended from the sky to Ife, this is obviously a folklore. However, it should be noted that folklores are not entirely fictional, they are founded on historical truths that later snowballed and have been exaggerated into fantastic stories (although with some kernel of historical truth). Folklores are found in every ancient culture including of the Edos. In fact, some folklores of the Hebrews are found in the Bible.

The scientific explanation for this Yoruba folklore is has been submitted by an indigenous scholar S. Adebanji Akintoye in his great work "A History of the Yoruba People". He noted that the folklore was the result of an act by successors of Oduduwa to write his name into an already existing ancient myth of gods descending from heaven. To quote his precise words, he writes:

"As for the introduction of the names Obatala and Oduduwa in its creation myths, there seems no doubt that what we have here is a conflation of very ancient myths with later known facts at some point in 'Yoruba' history. As will be seen in subsequent chapters, Obatala and Oduduwa were not mythical heavenly beings, they were humans who played very significant roles in a great era of 'Yoruba' history. Without doubt what happened was that the contemporaries or successors of Obatala and Oduduwa added these two names to myths that existed probably very long before their time in an attempt to accord Oduduwa particularly the very high position he deserved in the transformation of 'Yoruba' civilization in the most significant era in early 'Yoruba' history."


On the position of Ooni among Oduduwa sons, this is a very laughable one on your part, you can do better. The word "Ooni" is a royal title of the kings (Obas) of Ile-Ife. So, Oduduwa himself became an Ooni and served as a unifying and paramount Oba for (the first time in Ile-Ife history) for all the different Obas of the many Ilus in Ile-Ife.

In fact, recent linguistic analysis of over 500 words shows a word-word correlation between the Yoruba language and the ancient Egyptian language. One of the words establishes that the word "Oni" an ancient Egyptian title of Osiris is one and the same as "Ooni" the Yoruba title for Ile-Ife central kings (Obas) who themselves are god-kings. [Refer to Roth, "Yoruba is Atlantis"].

Lest I forget, you talked about Youtube videos and you seem to be suggesting that the internet is a bad repository of information unlike your apparently beloved physical libraries. Hello, for the record, the internet just like your beloved physical libraries are repositories containing information of diverse sorts. So, it is what the information says and not the size of the building, etc. that it comes from that matters --- What is important is the veracity of the information, i.e. who said it, etc. And for your information this information on the homage paying mentioned in the first video was from a British Museum documentary on Ife and Benin bronze artifacts.

The second video shows a report by an independent media house that was on ground to cover and report events that went down during the visit of the Oba of Benin to Ile-Ife earlier this year.

Sirheny007:


It really says a lot.
They sat in the order in which they succumbed foolishly to the British.

The Ipob obi is conspicuously sitting at the rear back, an obvious sign of his low class.

Slave master pays his slave trade boys visit

danot1030:


The Ipob obi is conspicuously sitting at the rear back, an obvious sign of his low class.

Obi of onitsha is a king
Ooni of ife a movie star

Wow!!!

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For how long do you want to keep hurting those special people in your life just because your mind is so busy that you forget them on the day they needed you the most?

Let's be your calendar tracker,burden bearer, gift chooser as well as make them know how much you care about them while you go on with your busy schedule!

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mr1759:

Obi of onitsha is a king
Ooni of ife a movie star

I guess you are trying to suggest that a movie star is even more rated better than the ipob obi going by the sitting arrangement in the picture.

LuciferKristi:
Prince Charles will definitely undergo an extensive medical checkup after this harrowing experience.

Being bombarded with strong gworo smell, ginger & garlic stench, aboniki balm heat from our Ab0ki brethren, rotting flesh donated for rituals underneath the Obi of Onitsha's cap + putrid Afonja 3-week boxers on the Ooni's waist can kill an unsuspecting adult.


*spits

You are a victim of inferiority complex.

You think everyone stink like you. Spewing rubbish.

danot1030:


I guess you are trying to suggest that a movie star is even more rated better than the ipob obi going by the sitting arrangement in the picture.

Buhari cannot tell any king there where to seat Incase you don’t know they all sat where they felt comfortable go ask, but for the Ooni that was dump by an Edo woman that is to tell he was no match for the woman

You arrive in a rare vintage British car to greet a British prince! What the heck are you doing, trying to show off to a prince.

What is emir, Oba, and other titles to the king of the commonwealth.

That cars is made in his country, he has owned and trashed so many of them, show some respect and come with your horses.

That prince has come to scold all of you, he is still your superior, your country and 31 others and under his commonwealth and supervision.

Your country is very backwards since we left you to your own devices, that is what he came to tell all you slave traders and diabolic leaders.

FreemanUYB:


fallacy!!!!
don't let the gods themselves visit you!!!!

Well, it's no fallacy.

God and gods av always been visiting me.

You (sangresan) further wrote in another reply:

Ogbeni, I told you that the term "Yoruba" referred to the Oyos not Ife people...Ooni and his people featured sparingly in Yoruba history up till the 20th Century...He wasnt at any point receiving tribute or adulation from the other kings...Yes, Oduduwa was the progenitor of "some" Yoruba kings, but the Ooni of Ife wasn't among Oduduwa children and couldn't be so revered.......Except you want to tell us that Benin Empire, for example, sent forces to help the Ooni when his town was sacked by the Modakeke forces...That's my point..

As to your ludicrous claims, we will catch up later..



My reply:
I have replied you severally on the fact that your conclusion (that the Alaafin of Oyo is the paramount ruler in Yoruba land) does not follow from your evidence that every other Kaaro Oojire country sometimes later adopted the generic "Yoruba" title which is originally an Oyo supremasist phrase "Oyoroba"meaning "Oyo is king".


To show that the Alaafin of Oyo is the paramount ruler you needed to show that the Ifes descended from the Oyos (and not the other way round) which obviously to the Oyos themselves is an absurd claim.

Instead, what you are repeatedly showing is that the term "Yoruba" is originally in reference to Oyo, and every other Kaaro Oojire country later agreed to adopt it as one generic title. And this of course doesn't prove what you intended it to, rather it corroborates the fact that at some point along the course of history, Oyo grew to a mighty politically independent empire above every other Kaaro Oojire country to the extent that everyone later had no choice but to adopt the word "Yoruba" as a generic title.

You keep mentioning Ooni and Oduduwa as if they are some different persons. Hello ... one is a title and the other is the name of a person that was first known by that title.

Yes! the different kaaro Oojire countries later grew (at some point in the course of their history) so independently that they waged war against each other. and do I need remind you that in 1818 the Binis sought the assistance Kaye, an Itsekiri (Yoruboid sub-group) mystic-warrior in order to fight Akure.

victorian:










Well, it's no fallacy.
God and gods av always been visiting me.

this time its never a normal visit its gonna be a mission!!!

LuciferKristi:
Prince Charles will definitely undergo an extensive medical checkup after this harrowing experience.

Being bombarded with strong gworo smell, ginger & garlic stench, aboniki balm heat from our Ab0ki brethren, rotting flesh donated for rituals underneath the Obi of Onitsha's cap + putrid Afonja 3-week boxers on the Ooni's waist can kill an unsuspecting adult.


*spits

you wan kill me with laugh

A royal member finally had to come down to West Aftica to see if there is anything of worth left to loot and if to check out how soft is the ground for them to recolonize us.

Why is the Alaafin of Oyo not present?.

Sirheny007:

It really says a lot. They sat in the order in which they succumbed foolishly to the British.

EOD

victorian:







Because Ooni is an Oracle King. King of all kings, placed in that position by God.

That's why.

You eh?

laurel03:
No first class king from potopoto side of the country

You are not even ashamed that your first class King were paying homepage to an ordinary Prince. Mumu

FreemanUYB:


this time its never a normal visit
its gonna be a mission!!!

OK.

It should be interesting to know the car the Prince rode in to the event.

Princewell2012:


You are not even ashamed that your first class King were paying homepage to an ordinary Prince. Mumu

OK you know the potopoto region??