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Re: Atheist/theists:what Kind Of Evidence Would Convince You That God Exists Or Not? by brodalokie: 3:05pm On Nov 29, 2018
LordReed:


Fairytales won't produce such a land, that's for sure.

Bros the truth is universal. Even scientists have confirmed in research that the earth or dry land was overthrowned by water which reduced the human population. They claimed it was because the Artantica, a continent covered in iceberg melted and thereby drowning majority of the the Earth's population. Now this is referring to the flood and Noah. There was speculations that our hearts have a tiny hole in the middle also and this is buttresding theories that God lives in our hearts. The Bible is not a book of tales, it is a book of plans or programs that will eventually play itself out just like Noah warned of the floods, the gospel of the kingdom is real but not here yet.
Re: Atheist/theists:what Kind Of Evidence Would Convince You That God Exists Or Not? by brodalokie: 3:33pm On Nov 29, 2018
LordReed:


We've confirmed no such thing. If we have it won't be necessary for this thread to ask us what type of evidence of gods we would require. All books that we know of were written by men including the one you claim confirms a god so please produce the evidence that confirms this god.

Meanwhile whether the weapon was built in my backyard or bought from abroad, its efficacy against horses and chariots is not in question, gods on the other hand can produce themselves and allow us to test our weapons against their claims.

I think the men who wrote the scriptures of the Bible were mostly scribes, prophets and apostles. Scribe is a department under the priesthood family who would listen to inspired prophecies and events happening which resembles the fulfillment of the prophecies foretold.
Moses was the first to put inspired visions on tablets of stones. People have argued that he could have learned them orally having schooled in Egypt for 40 years but we think he actually wrote the account of creation in Genesis after he met God in form of Jehovah in the burning bush that wasn't burning. He would either go into truanc or direct hearing. Same applies to the other prophets and their visions and prophecies has never failed. The Jews after a long time under the Law corrupted it until they missed the prophecy of the Messiah, this was God himself walking among them but they were so full of themselves that they tested and tried him till he took His last breath (God can not die). They were only fulfilling what was written down long ago. The same book of prophecy says that Jesus will be back and some day we will have a perfect world system and we are not getting ready for that.
Lastly, the world that exists today wasn't as advanced as the one of Noah. In fact all what Ham, the founder of Egypt had were a carryover from the first world or his ancestors. The book of Genesis called them Giants and men of reknown. All the ruling planets of our Zodiac or star signs are named after them
Re: Atheist/theists:what Kind Of Evidence Would Convince You That God Exists Or Not? by LordReed(m): 3:40pm On Nov 29, 2018
brodalokie:


I think the men who wrote the scriptures of the Bible were scribes, a department of priesthood who would listen to inspired prophecies and events happening which resembles the fulfillment of the prophecies foretold.
Moses was the first to put inspired visions on tablets of stones. People have argued that he could have learned them orally haven schooled in Egypt for 40 years but we think he actually wrote the account of creation in Genesis after he met God in form of Jehovah in the burning bush that wasn't burning he then either going into truanc or direct hearing. Same applies to the other prophets and their visions and prophecies has never failed. The Jews after a long time under the Law corrupted it until they missed the prophecy of the Messiah, this was God himself walking among them but they were so full of themselves that they tested and tried him till he took His last breath. They were only fulfilling what was written down long ago. The same book of prophecy says that Jesus will be back and some day we will have a perfect world system and we are not getting ready for that.
Lastly, the world that exists today wasn't as advanced as the one of Noah. In fact all what Ham, the founder of Egypt had were a carryover from the first world or his ancestors. The book of Genesis called them Giants and men of reknown. All the ruling planets of our Zodiac or star signs are named after them


It just seems like you are not responding to me, maybe to some imaginary friend you are having a conversation with.

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Re: Atheist/theists:what Kind Of Evidence Would Convince You That God Exists Or Not? by LordReed(m): 3:44pm On Nov 29, 2018
brodalokie:


Bros the truth is universal. Even scientists have confirmed in research that the earth or dry land was overthrowned by water which reduced the human population. They claimed it was because the continent covered with iceberg melted. Now this is referring to the flood and Noah. There was speculations that our hearts have a tiny hole in the middle also and this is buttresding theories that God lives in our hearts. The Bible is not a book of tales, it is a book of plans or programs that will eventually play itself out just like Noah warned of the floods, the gospel of the kingdom is real but not here yet.


Why are you just making up nonsense to buttress your assertions? There is no evidence of a universal flood, there's no hole in a normal heart. Please if you want to have a conversation be grounded in reality not nonsense made up bullshit.
Re: Atheist/theists:what Kind Of Evidence Would Convince You That God Exists Or Not? by Ahasco(m): 9:27am On Nov 30, 2018
0temSapien:
Existence is God. We are existing, we are a subsystem of God(the first cause). Anything defined as God by the religous people are mere creatures of God.
Gbam!
Re: Atheist/theists:what Kind Of Evidence Would Convince You That God Exists Or Not? by francis247(m): 10:18am On Dec 02, 2018
Reorder and re-engineer the entire universe. The whole system is quite 4ucked up. He did a poor job.
Re: Atheist/theists:what Kind Of Evidence Would Convince You That God Exists Or Not? by vaxx: 10:20am On Dec 02, 2018
francis247:
Reorder and re-engineer the entire universe. The whole system is quite 4ucked up. He did a poor job.
like what and what. Give us the prototype
Re: Atheist/theists:what Kind Of Evidence Would Convince You That God Exists Or Not? by johnydon22(m): 10:50am On Dec 02, 2018
francis247:
Reorder and re-engineer the entire universe. The whole system is quite 4ucked up. He did a poor job.

What sort of universe would you prefer?
Re: Atheist/theists:what Kind Of Evidence Would Convince You That God Exists Or Not? by francis247(m): 12:23pm On Dec 02, 2018
LordReed:


It just seems like you are not responding to me, maybe to some imaginary friend you are having a conversation with.
grin ! Dude is still in lala land

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Re: Atheist/theists:what Kind Of Evidence Would Convince You That God Exists Or Not? by francis247(m): 12:55pm On Dec 02, 2018
vaxx:
like what and what. Give us the prototype

johnydon22:

What sort of universe would you prefer?
Two words - Moderation and Equality.
A universe devoid of all forms of extremism, unhealthy rivalry, bitterness and strife. A universe where extreme pain, sorrow and anguish is but a dream and real joy, laughter, merriment and satisfaction is a core part of our reality not only for a select few but for each and everyone. A universe where everyone is mentally, physically and psychologically placed on an equal pedestal, if not completely, at least almost. The parity is simply too much. A universe of one tribe, race and religion. A universe totally devoid of all forms of discrimination, hate and abuse, one where we would not have to tolerate each other because we're all exactly like each other. A universe where each and everyone matters, I mean truly matter in the scheme of things.
Re: Atheist/theists:what Kind Of Evidence Would Convince You That God Exists Or Not? by MuttleyLaff: 1:15pm On Dec 02, 2018
francis247:
Reorder and re-engineer the entire universe.
The whole system is quite 4ucked up.
Be humble and in awe.
Too many people are full of opinions, with knowing less than half the facts. SMH.

If its a walk in the park, creating a universe, why dont you create one and lets see how good, pretty and dandy yours will be.

francis247:
He did a poor job.
Is there anything He did a rich and good job on?

vaxx:
like what and what. Give us the prototype

johnydon22:
What sort of universe would you prefer?

francis247:
Two words - Moderation and Equality.
A universe devoid of all forms of extremism, unhealthy rivalry, bitterness and strife.
A universe where extreme pain, sorrow and anguish is but a dream and real joy, laughter, merriment and satisfaction is a core part of our reality not only for a select few but for each and everyone.
A universe where everyone is mentally, physically and psychologically placed on an equal pedestal, if not completely, at least almost.

The parity is simply too much.
A universe of one tribe, race and religion.
A universe totally devoid of all forms of discrimination, hate and abuse, one where we would not have to tolerate each other because we're all exactly like each other.
A universe where each and everyone matters, I mean truly matter in the scheme of things.
What a better place it'll be, if us humans naturally have love, compassion and empathy.
It's comforting to know that, in the end,
the universe will be one "tribe", "race", religion, nirvana, utopia, paradise, Eden revisited all rolled into one
Re: Atheist/theists:what Kind Of Evidence Would Convince You That God Exists Or Not? by brodalokie: 2:11pm On Dec 02, 2018
MuttleyLaff:
Be humble and in awe.
Too many people are full of opinions, with knowing less than half the facts. SMH.

If its a walk in the park, creating a universe, why dont you create one and lets see how good, pretty and dandy yours will be.

Is there anything He did a rich and good job on?





What a better place it'll be, if us humans naturally have love, compassion and empathy.
It's comforting to know that, in the end,
the universe will be one "tribe", "race", religion, nirvana, utopia, paradise, Eden revisited all rolled into one

Don't you think such a place would be boring? Without the riddle of the Sphinx some people may die of boredom grin
Re: Atheist/theists:what Kind Of Evidence Would Convince You That God Exists Or Not? by MuttleyLaff: 2:23pm On Dec 02, 2018
brodalokie:
Don't you think such a place would be boring?
Without the riddle of the Sphinx some people may die of boredom grin
Nope.
First and foremost, they will no more be death
and then no eye has seen, no ear has heard and no human mind has conceived the exciting things that has been prepared
Re: Atheist/theists:what Kind Of Evidence Would Convince You That God Exists Or Not? by brodalokie: 2:50pm On Dec 02, 2018
MuttleyLaff:
Nope.
First and foremost, they will no more be death
and then no eye has seen, no ear has heard and no human mind has conceived the exciting things that has been prepared

Cool. I am dead certain and optimistic of this future home of the earthly Bride and heavenly groom.
Re: Atheist/theists:what Kind Of Evidence Would Convince You That God Exists Or Not? by vaxx: 3:16pm On Dec 02, 2018
francis247:


Two words - Moderation and Equality.
A universe devoid of all forms of extremism, unhealthy rivalry, bitterness and strife. A universe where extreme pain, sorrow and anguish is but a dream and real joy, laughter, merriment and satisfaction is a core part of our reality not only for a select few but for each and everyone. A universe where everyone is mentally, physically and psychologically placed on an equal pedestal, if not completely, at least almost. The parity is simply too much. A universe of one tribe, race and religion. A universe totally devoid of all forms of discrimination, hate and abuse, one where we would not have to tolerate each other because we're all exactly like each other. A universe where each and everyone matters, I mean truly matter in the scheme of things.
We can like the world to be equal and moderated , but equality to be fair must be self regulated, not externally mandated. It is up to you to make the world what you expect of it. The mechanism to make the world already is in place

1- Can everyone have a great education? Yes.
2- Can everyone be financially secure? Yes.
3- Can everyone be well fed? Yes.
4- Can everyone be healthy? Yes.
5 -can everyone love themselves? Yes.

I list education first because all else flows from education [i.e]. If you are educated, you can find a job. Then you tailor your lifestyle to your income. With proper budgeting you can also eat well, and maintain your health. With any excess income you can buy luxuries.if all this are achieved, there will be no need for hatred. And love itself will be our main goal.
Re: Atheist/theists:what Kind Of Evidence Would Convince You That God Exists Or Not? by johnydon22(m): 3:55pm On Dec 02, 2018
francis247:


Two words - Moderation and Equality.
A universe devoid of all forms of extremism, unhealthy rivalry, bitterness and strife. A universe where extreme pain, sorrow and anguish is but a dream and real joy, laughter, merriment and satisfaction is a core part of our reality not only for a select few but for each and everyone. A universe where everyone is mentally, physically and psychologically placed on an equal pedestal, if not completely, at least almost. The parity is simply too much. A universe of one tribe, race and religion. A universe totally devoid of all forms of discrimination, hate and abuse, one where we would not have to tolerate each other because we're all exactly like each other. A universe where each and everyone matters, I mean truly matter in the scheme of things.

Personally, I think this is a very nonsensical idea but ok.
Re: Atheist/theists:what Kind Of Evidence Would Convince You That God Exists Or Not? by francis247(m): 6:29pm On Dec 02, 2018
vaxx:
We can like the world to be equal and moderated , but equality to be fair must be self regulated, not externally mandated. It is up to you to make the world what you expect of it. The mechanism to make the world already is in place

1- Can everyone have a great education? Yes.
2- Can everyone be financially secure? Yes.
3- Can everyone be well fed? Yes.
4- Can everyone be healthy? Yes.
5 -can everyone love themselves? Yes.

I list education first because all else flows from education [i.e]. If you are educated, you can find a job. Then you tailor your lifestyle to your income. With proper budgeting you can also eat well, and maintain your health. With any excess income you can buy luxuries.if all this are achieved, there will be no need for hatred. And love itself will be our main goal.
This would only have be realistically possible if all things had originally been made equal. There are persons not factored into your disposition - the dweebs, the misfits, the pariahs, persons born with one or multiple forms of physical or intellectual disability or disorder. I'm not asking that if he exists, he should provide for us that which he has empowered us to provide for ourselves. I'm rather demanding that he shows up like the all knowing, all powerful, omnipresent, omnipotent and omniscient God of gods he, along with theists claim he is and provide for us that which we cannot seem to provide for ourselves, I'm demanding that he shows up and fix the loopholes and messes in the superstructure he designed. Engineers commit blunders in the first generation of their inventions which they fix subsequently. No matter how much a father empowers his children to provide for themselves, there will always be things the children will not be able to provide for themselves without the assistance and/or support of the father, a great and caring father, not a dead beat father. If God exists, then he's no more than a father who abandoned his family when the going got tough or for some other reason or maybe, just maybe, he never and doesn't exist but is rather an invention of the imagination of certain persons to serve as an easy explanation to the absurdities of the universe in which we live.
Re: Atheist/theists:what Kind Of Evidence Would Convince You That God Exists Or Not? by vaxx: 6:50pm On Dec 02, 2018
francis247:
This would only have be realistically possible if all things had originally been made equal. There are persons not factored into your disposition - the dweebs, the misfits, the pariahs, persons born with one or multiple forms of physical or intellectual disability or disorder. I'm not asking that if he exists, he should provide for us that which he has empowered us to provide for ourselves. I'm rather demanding that he shows up like the all knowing, all powerful, omnipresent, omnipotent and omniscient God of gods theists claim he is and provide for that which we cannot provide for ourselves, I'm demanding that he shows up and fix the loopholes and messes in the superstructure he designed. No matter how much a father empowers his children, there will always be things the children will never be able to provide for themselves. If God exists, then he's no more than a father who abandoned his family when the going got tough or for some other reason or maybe, just maybe, he never and doesn't exist but is rather an invention of the imagination of certain persons to serve as an easy explanation to the absurdities of the universe in which we live.
it seems you are reading mantra . I will expect you to be more logical and critical.

Nature is reasonably meritocratic,(survival of the fittest) meaning ""equality of opportunity exists to every one "" notions of fairness and equality are human concepts. Nature, when anthropomorphized, is merciless, ruthless & pragmatic. Those organisms that are best adapted to survive & reproduce, will. Those that aren't, are eaten or, in some other way, used to advance the survival & reproduction of a more "fit" organism. That make morw sense to me.

If a lifeform is fit, it will out-perform others. Weak and diseased creatures underperform. This may result to some human concept notion ""inequality"" but each individual gets an equal chance at success.
Re: Atheist/theists:what Kind Of Evidence Would Convince You That God Exists Or Not? by francis247(m): 7:00pm On Dec 02, 2018
vaxx:
it seems you are reading mantra . I will expect you to be more logical and critical.

Nature is reasonably meritocratic,(survival of the fittest) meaning ""equality of opportunity exists to every one "" notions of fairness and equality are human concepts. Nature, when anthropomorphized, is merciless, ruthless & pragmatic. Those organisms that are best adapted to survive & reproduce, will. Those that aren't, are eaten or, in some other way, used to advance the survival & reproduction of a more "fit" organism. That make morw sense to me.
lol! Who made nature?

vaxx:

If a lifeform is fit, it will out-perform others. Weak and diseased creatures underperform. This may result to some human concept notion ""inequality"" but each individual gets an equal chance at success.
Who made the weak and diseased creatures?
Re: Atheist/theists:what Kind Of Evidence Would Convince You That God Exists Or Not? by francis247(m): 7:32pm On Dec 02, 2018
MuttleyLaff:
Be humble and in awe.
Too many people are full of opinions, with knowing less than half the facts. SMH.

If its a walk in the park, creating a universe, why dont you create one and lets see how good, pretty and dandy yours will be.

Is there anything He did a rich and good job on?





What a better place it'll be, if us humans naturally have love, compassion and empathy.
It's comforting to know that, in the end,
the universe will be one "tribe", "race", religion, nirvana, utopia, paradise, Eden revisited all rolled into one
I've been humble and in awe for a long time, a time way more than long enough. Too much of everything and anything is bad, very very bad for all round growth, progress and development. Africans have been humble and in awe ever since the Whites invaded the continent with their junks, religion and language. See what has become of the continent and her people today. Humility without rationality and commonsense, a thirst for knowledge, the desire to learn, relearn and unlearn antiquated ideas, beliefs and doctrines is a paragon of blind followership of which the consequences inherent are bound to be disastrous.
Re: Atheist/theists:what Kind Of Evidence Would Convince You That God Exists Or Not? by vaxx: 7:34pm On Dec 02, 2018
francis247:
lol! Who made nature?

Who made the weak and diseased creatures?
You shouild used what or how instead of who. What and how allow the possibility of research and who limit it. The nature is everything that exist around us and has been created in long term processes by very simple elements that evolute in much more complicate organisms. Something much more more pragmatic start the process that created the nature.. "" we nickname it God""

Weak and deasese people exist for a variety of reasons...for example ""genetic reasons"" which is part of the evolutionary process . Remember . It is survival of the fittest where equal chance is given to all.
Re: Atheist/theists:what Kind Of Evidence Would Convince You That God Exists Or Not? by francis247(m): 7:52pm On Dec 02, 2018
vaxx:
You shouild used what or how instead of who. What and how allow the possibility of research and who limit it. The nature is everything that exist around us and has been created in long term processes by very simple elements that evolute in much more complicate organisms. Something much more more pragmatic start the process that created the nature.. "" we nickname it God""

Weak and deasese people exist for a variety of reasons...for example ""genetic reasons"" which is part of the evolutionary process . Remember . It is survival of the fittest where equal chance is given to all.
grin! I should have used what or how instead of who? The title of the thread borders on "who", not "what" nor "how".
Re: Atheist/theists:what Kind Of Evidence Would Convince You That God Exists Or Not? by vaxx: 7:56pm On Dec 02, 2018
francis247:
grin! I should have used what or how instead of who? The title of the thread borders on "who", not "what" nor "how".
why can't you identify the flaws and improve it. You aren't meant to be limited.
Re: Atheist/theists:what Kind Of Evidence Would Convince You That God Exists Or Not? by kingvicky(m): 10:53pm On Dec 06, 2018
hahn:


Which god exactly or in this case what is the definition of this god?

I don't think it matters as to which god it is. Any chief god in any pantheon fits the description (Ahura Mazda, Chukwu Okike e.t.c)
Re: Atheist/theists:what Kind Of Evidence Would Convince You That God Exists Or Not? by Nazaretha1(m): 8:10pm On Dec 07, 2018
I would never say I have all the answers because humans, no matter how intelligent they are cannot think outside time, space and energy/matter. Well the things that convinced me of Elokim's existence;
1 The prophecies in Daniel, Ezekiel, Jusus's prediction of the destruction of jerusalem after his death and of no stone remaining on the second temple location, the siege of jerusalem, the deatructive desolation standing in the holy place which is the Al Aqsa mosque and the Dome of the rock standing there now. Jerusalem being trodden by the feet of men until the fulfillment of the gentiles in 1948 after the 6 day Arab war. The prophecy of paul in 1 Timothy 4:3 and what it relates to in the second lateran council in 1139 AD. Those of Ezekiel of about those that turn their backs against the temple praying towards the east, prostrating which is how those who worship in the Al Aqsa mosque and the Dome pray currently in Jerusalem.
2 "Tohu and Bohu", "Bohu" which means building blocks of matter, translated by Moses Maimonides 1125 AD regarded by Jews as the greateat teacher of the Torah after Moses in the bible in genesis.
3 Other human like creatures before Adam (although many Christians would say no) but without the living soul which Yahweh gave. This had also been said by scholars of the Torah like Nahmanides 1190 AD, Rashi 1109 CE and Maimonides 1125 CE centuries before paleontology.
4 A wing in the London museum dedicated to the beginning of civilization and trade by barter about 5750 years ago, about the time of Adam even though farming had existed for about 10k years.
There are others I can't remember at the moment but I'm very sure of these.
I don't just read the bible. I read other books, science, religion, history etc when I can find them, even Erich Don Vaniken's books about alien technology lol.
I used to be an atheist though and brothers, not to be judgemental, I do not have a right to be, I do not think I can go back to being an atheist with all the things that I've found myself. I do not claim I have all the answers but it's little by little.

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