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Re: Atheist/theists:what Kind Of Evidence Would Convince You That God Exists Or Not? by AryEmber(f): 5:36pm On Nov 28, 2018
brodalokie:

Yes bro I am a child of God.
It's sis actually.
Re: Atheist/theists:what Kind Of Evidence Would Convince You That God Exists Or Not? by brodalokie: 5:37pm On Nov 28, 2018
AryEmber:
It's sis actually.

My apologies sister AryEmber smiley
Re: Atheist/theists:what Kind Of Evidence Would Convince You That God Exists Or Not? by AryEmber(f): 5:40pm On Nov 28, 2018
brodalokie:

My apologies sister AryEmber smiley
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Re: Atheist/theists:what Kind Of Evidence Would Convince You That God Exists Or Not? by hahn(m): 7:02pm On Nov 28, 2018
johnydon22:
I think this is a necessary question to understand the nature of the disagreements exercised here.

Atheists: What sort of evidence would you think is sufficient enough to convince that God/Gods truly exists?

Theists: What kind of evidence or lack thereof would make you think or lean towards the idea that God/Gods probably do not exist?

Which god exactly or in this case what is the definition of this god?

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Re: Atheist/theists:what Kind Of Evidence Would Convince You That God Exists Or Not? by brodalokie: 9:20pm On Nov 28, 2018
PastorAIO:



This line of questioning would be a nonstarter unless certain things are established first. I reckon the first thing that must be established What We Mean by God.

A man who worships a rock as God has the evidence right there before him every time he goes to worship.


Let me help out with the misguided or misleading information you may have acquired from the Pagans, that worship an araba or iroko tree, a rock or iron.
They fact is that because every matter possess an Aura of God himself gives it some sort of potential or power but God is not there, He is now in a humaniod form (Adam was His carbon copy or clone) in the person of Jesus Christ or the Bible is God in written form.
Bible refference: in Him (Jesus) dwelleth the fullness of the Godhead bodily.
And without controversy, great is the mystery of Godliness, God was manifest in the flesh...
To wit that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto Himself, and not imputing our Iniquity... Etc etc
Re: Atheist/theists:what Kind Of Evidence Would Convince You That God Exists Or Not? by PastorAIO: 9:32pm On Nov 28, 2018
Please read the post you're responding to properly before responding. I get so excited when I see that I've got a mention, but imagine the disappointment when I read it and it is totally irrelevant.

Or maybe it is not irrelevant. Are you saying that the Bible is God in written form? Oh my God, that is actually what you are saying.

And if I make a thread called Contra Bibliolatria Ihedinobi will jump in and start foaming at the mouth and chanting gibberish.

Well if the Bible is your god then that buttresses my point. The OP needs to define what he means by God first because it is plain to see that your own God does exist. In fact I have about 5 copies of your god on my shelves.

brodalokie:


Let me help out with the misguided or misleading information you may have acquired from the Pagans, that worship an araba or iroko tree, a rock or iron.
They fact is that because every matter possess an Aura of God himself gives it some sort of potential or power but God is not there, He is now in a humaniod form (Adam was His carbon copy or clone) in the person of Jesus Christ or the Bible is God in written form.
Bible refference: in Him (Jesus) dwelleth the fullness of the Godhead bodily.
And without controversy, great is the mystery of Godliness, God was manifest in the flesh...
To wit that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto Himself, and not imputing our Iniquity... Etc etc
Re: Atheist/theists:what Kind Of Evidence Would Convince You That God Exists Or Not? by LordReed(m): 6:08am On Nov 29, 2018
The kind of evidence that would validate the kind of god.

The Christian god would probably need to come in human form, instantaneously transport a lot of scientists and cameramen with their equipment to a stadium then ask the scientists to dismember its body, certify it dead so that it can now resurrect in their presence. All the while cameramen are recording and broadcasting every step to the whole world and scientists are taking samples for analysis and testing

Alternatively, it can appear as the same person to every single person on earth and speak the same words which everyone will understand in their own language.

These would be good starting points for validating god claims. As scientists test further I am sure they'll arrange even more extensive tests for the god to perform.

Sounds like magic right? Well all those religious books sound like magic too.

Edit: changed translate to transport.
Re: Atheist/theists:what Kind Of Evidence Would Convince You That God Exists Or Not? by brodalokie: 7:24am On Nov 29, 2018
PastorAIO:
Please read the post you're responding to properly before responding. I get so excited when I see that I've got a mention, but imagine the disappointment when I read it and it is totally irrelevant.

Or maybe it is not irrelevant. Are you saying that the Bible is God in written form? Oh my God, that is actually what you are saying.

And if I make a thread called Contra Bibliolatria Ihedinobi will jump in and start foaming at the mouth and chanting gibberish.

Well if the Bible is your god then that buttresses my point. The OP needs to define what he means by God first because it is plain to see that your own God does exist. In fact I have about 5 copies of your god on my shelves.


And the Word was God is the expression that gives us the knowledge that the Bible is God in written form.
God has three temples. The Zodiac or solar system, the Pyramid or brick House temple and lastly, the human heart.
Since the Bible is a book of prophecies and example about the way and nature of God walking among the human being, it becomes the blueprint.
For instance it always tells of four cardinal point surrounding the eternal God in the center. The book of Acts was actually the act of the Holy Spirit (aka Christ) in the apostles, and was preceeded by four Gospels or preaching. In the book of Acts the word at already become flesh in the apostles so much that people could look at them and see Christ-ians, they were a living Epistles and not a written Epistle. But they claimed that anyone who preached a different message than their is cursed, this is what makes the Bible authentic.
In the book of revelation chapter four, the throne of God is seen to be surrounded by four living creatures or gaurds, and then twenty four elders. Twelve is the old testament patriarch while the other are the twelve apostles, with Paul replacing Judas Iscariot.
The human heart is the temple of God and has four layers and twenty four ribs caging it about in type.
Re: Atheist/theists:what Kind Of Evidence Would Convince You That God Exists Or Not? by brodalokie: 7:36am On Nov 29, 2018
LordReed:
The kind of evidence that would validate the kind of god.

The Christian god would probably need to come in human form, instantaneously translate a lot of scientists and cameramen with their equipment to a stadium then ask the scientists to dismember its body, certify it dead so that it can now resurrect in their presence. All the while cameramen are recording and broadcasting every step to the whole world and scientists are taking samples for analysis and testing

Alternatively, it can appear as the same person to every single person on earth and speak the same words which everyone will understand in their own language.

These would be good starting points for validating god claims. As scientists test further I am sure they'll arrange even more extensive tests for the god to perform.

Sounds like magic right? Well all those religious books sound like magic too.

Read my above comment.
It is stated clearly that the four beasts gaurding the temple of God has eyes all over their bodies and they always going one way (as we call it here, where belly face lol - wrong though). It should be noted that these living creature could see (maybe like CCTV or Web Cameras) everywhere and their only job is to give praises to God day and night who seat in the middle. But these four living creatures should not be mistaken with another four beasts that characterise the apocalypse having four colors each, white, red, black and pale respectively. By their froot you shall know then.
Since the human heart is four layers which blood that carries life flow through it can be said that the four Living Creatures are Life Assurance in contrast to the four horseman of apocalypse. One is the tree of Life Jesus and the other is the tree of knowledge of good and evil.
Since Jesus was God personified and our example followed by the act of the Holy Spirit in the apostles it shows that God dwells in our hearts. However, the Bible teaches about a time the temple with undergo what is called the abomination of desolation where a wicked one will try to take the place of Christ at the heart of the Church, and then promises that it will only be for an appointed time otherwise no flesh will be saved.
There is a God and there is an impostor. May God help us all.
Re: Atheist/theists:what Kind Of Evidence Would Convince You That God Exists Or Not? by LordReed(m): 7:55am On Nov 29, 2018
brodalokie:


Read my above comment.
It is stated clearly that the four beasts gaurding the temple of God has eyes all over their bodies and they always going one way (as we call it here, where belly face lol - wrong though). It should be noted that these living creature could see (maybe like CCTV or Web Cameras) everywhere and their only job is to give praises to God day and night who seat in the middle. But these four living creatures should not be mistaken with another four beasts that characterise the apocalypse having four colors each, white, red, black and pale respectively. By their froot you shall know then.
Since the human heart is four layers which blood that carries life flow through it can be said that the four Living Creatures are Life Assurance in contrast to the four horseman of apocalypse. One is the tree of Life Jesus and the other is the tree of knowledge of good and evil.

Huh? Are sure you meant to reply to me?
Re: Atheist/theists:what Kind Of Evidence Would Convince You That God Exists Or Not? by gensteejay(m): 8:03am On Nov 29, 2018

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W9feXeL-3XA

This video may offer insight into this age-old debate about God.
It's not a piece of evidence about God's existence.

I personally have the notion that God is existence itself and we (our consciousness or soul) are all aspects or parts of God (a Great Consciousness).

I don't mean the gods of religion here.

P. S.: I'm neither an atheist nor deist. I'm simply human.

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Re: Atheist/theists:what Kind Of Evidence Would Convince You That God Exists Or Not? by brodalokie: 8:09am On Nov 29, 2018
LordReed:


Huh? Are sure you meant to reply to me?

Yes sir. Scientists can't find God or else He would not be God. The closest to God is the human being yet he has missed the way, born in Sin knowing good and evil. Remember the book of Genesis tells us that Man was driving away from the tree of Life and never to return. No one can live forever because we are not in the original likeness of God even though we retain His image. At best what we have is a supernatural technology that can only activate the knowledge of good and evil because it is man-made. Our only pass back to Paradise is through Jesus Christ. Someday both the living and the dead in Christ will unite with him in the air then return to claim the earth after a great purging to rule a thousand years.
If scientists were strong enough to the capacity of God, there will not be sicknesses or deaths. What they have takes us back and forth.
Re: Atheist/theists:what Kind Of Evidence Would Convince You That God Exists Or Not? by LordReed(m): 8:18am On Nov 29, 2018
brodalokie:


Yes sir. Scientists can't find God or else He would not be God. The closest to God is the human being yet he has missed the way, born in Sin knowing good and evil. Remember the book of Genesis tells us that Man was driving away from the tree of Life and never to return. No one can live forever because we are not in the original likeness of God even though we retain His image. At best what we have is a supernatural technology that can only activate the knowledge of good and evil because it is man-made. Our only pass back to Paradise is through Jesus Christ. Someday both the living and the dead in Christ will unite with him in the air then return to claim the earth after a great purging to rule a thousand years.
If scientists were strong enough to the capacity of God, there will not be sicknesses or deaths. What they have takes us back and forth.

Well I don't see how what you wrote has anything to do with what I wrote.
Re: Atheist/theists:what Kind Of Evidence Would Convince You That God Exists Or Not? by brodalokie: 8:39am On Nov 29, 2018
LordReed:


Well I don't see how what you wrote has anything to do with what I wrote.

Scientists can't do what you said. They are only able to destroy and patch up a living thing while giving it a good meaning. Use a living blade of grass as case study and not a human being. Can they create a new living blade of grass without taking what was already in existence? No. Then imagine a God who would have formed something out of nothing in the beginning. Put all the planets in it's place in the Galaxy which is today exploited by the scientists. If we're could find God using scientific method then He wouldn't be God.
Re: Atheist/theists:what Kind Of Evidence Would Convince You That God Exists Or Not? by LordReed(m): 9:05am On Nov 29, 2018
brodalokie:


Scientists can't do what you said. They are only able to destroy and patch up a living thing while giving it a good meaning. Use a living blade of grass as case study and not a human being. Can they create a new living blade of grass without taking what was already in existence? No. Then imagine a God who would have formed something out of nothing in the beginning. Put all the planets in it's place in the Galaxy which is today exploited by the scientists. If we're could find God using scientific method then He wouldn't be God.

Maybe you didn't understand what I wrote. I never wrote that scientists would do anything but test the god as it is doing its thing. Read it again and understand it.
Re: Atheist/theists:what Kind Of Evidence Would Convince You That God Exists Or Not? by brodalokie: 9:30am On Nov 29, 2018
LordReed:


Maybe you didn't understand what I wrote. I never wrote that scientists would do anything but test the god as it is doing its thing. Read it again and understand it.

They have already done the testing. The Romans had the most evolved science when Jesus walked the earth and the devil is the author of science and politics. They put him to death and he resurrected. There are prophecies about His return but this time to execute a purging judgement upon all workers of Iniquity. Until then whatever guineapig kind of tests we are facing are just trying periods as believing children and not God. Don't expect God to come down in human form again to be tested by scientists, politicians or even Satan himself. He is coming to claim the earth and then banish sicknesses, hunger and death totally. I hope this helps.
Re: Atheist/theists:what Kind Of Evidence Would Convince You That God Exists Or Not? by johnydon22(m): 9:33am On Nov 29, 2018
gensteejay:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W9feXeL-3XA

This video may offer insight into this age-old debate about God.
It's not a piece of evidence about God's existence.

I personally have the notion that God is existence itself and we (our consciousness or soul) are all aspects or parts of God (a Great Consciousness).

I don't mean the gods of religion here.

P. S.: I'm neither an atheist nor deist. I'm simply human.

Being atheist or deists is not mutually exclusive with being human.

These things are not what you say you are, it is simply a label for a school of thought

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Re: Atheist/theists:what Kind Of Evidence Would Convince You That God Exists Or Not? by gensteejay(m): 9:35am On Nov 29, 2018
johnydon22:


Being atheist or deists is not mutually exclusive with being human.

These things are not what you say you are, it is simply a label for a school of thought
Yea, you're right.

What I meant is, I don't like such labels or subscribe to the atheistic and deistic ideologies.
Re: Atheist/theists:what Kind Of Evidence Would Convince You That God Exists Or Not? by brodalokie: 10:07am On Nov 29, 2018
Can somebody interpret these allegorical visions for me please?

https://www.nairaland.com/4873422/mystery-interpretation-needed
Re: Atheist/theists:what Kind Of Evidence Would Convince You That God Exists Or Not? by johnydon22(m): 10:18am On Nov 29, 2018
gensteejay:

Yea, you're right.

What I meant is, I don't like such labels or subscribe to the atheistic and deistic ideologies.

Your very definition of God leans towards Spinozism
Re: Atheist/theists:what Kind Of Evidence Would Convince You That God Exists Or Not? by hahn(m): 10:22am On Nov 29, 2018
johnydon22:


Being atheist or deists is not mutually exclusive with being human.

These things are not what you say you are, it is simply a label for a school of thought

Iroko tree, I asked you to define the god you are asking about and you are yet to reply me o undecided
Re: Atheist/theists:what Kind Of Evidence Would Convince You That God Exists Or Not? by johnydon22(m): 11:05am On Nov 29, 2018
hahn:


Iroko tree, I asked you to define the god you are asking about and you are yet to reply me o undecided

Troll. You know the type of Gods I'm talking about.

Transcendant personal Gods.
Re: Atheist/theists:what Kind Of Evidence Would Convince You That God Exists Or Not? by gensteejay(m): 11:09am On Nov 29, 2018
johnydon22:


Your very definition of God leans towards Spinozism
Yea. It does. But I'm not a Spinozist.

I have my own philosophy, which is not set in stone. I read wide, do research on different ideologies, such as Abrahamic religions — Judaism, Christianity, and Islam — Taoism, Bhuddism, Hinduism, African Traditional Religion, theism, atheism, science, new age, scientism, Eckankar, and several others.

There are some truths in all of them.

For instance, when I sought knowledge on Taoism, Buddhism, and Hinduism; I learnt the import of meditation and its numerous physical and spiritual benefits.

I have been meditating regularly for months now.

I used to be a Muslim and ditched the religion, and religions generally, early this year.

From Islam, I learnt a number of truths. Particularly, I find helpful the Islamic knowledge on alternative treatment of health conditions. Islamic scholars call this the use of prophetic medicines for treating health issues. It's a wide field.

While I know a lot of such medicines around and use them when necessary, I am averse to praying to any god or doing deliverance as I don't believe in demons (or Jinn in Islamic parlance).

As for Christianity, during my religious years, I studied the Bible (I still have a copy here with me) and have identified some truths in the religion too.

The same thing applies to other ideologies as well.

If you read this comment, you might be tempted to say my philosophy leans toward omnism.

But that's not true.

I'm more of a knowledge seeker. Wherever I see any beneficial knowledge, I do research about it. If I can see compelling evidence that such notion is a truth, I will include it in my philosophy.

And such evidence need not have any backing in conventional science as there are myriads of life phenomena with real, candid effects but the traditional sciences have not been able to come up with veridical explanations.

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Re: Atheist/theists:what Kind Of Evidence Would Convince You That God Exists Or Not? by hahn(m): 11:22am On Nov 29, 2018
johnydon22:


Troll. You know the type of Gods I'm talking about.

Transcendant personal Gods.

The reality is that it is not even possible under physical laws for them to exist.

First this god needs to be all good and considering all the poo going on in the world it is impossible for an all good god to watch women get raped, kids die of hunger and poverty, families torn apart due to tragedies while it masturbates to the smell of suya.

Like you once said, if there is a god that can create a peaceful world with all the goodies that Allah and Jehovah promise in the afterlife it would have done so already.

So you no go show me love for the weekend ni? Your boy is in need of cash o cheesy grin
Re: Atheist/theists:what Kind Of Evidence Would Convince You That God Exists Or Not? by LordReed(m): 11:52am On Nov 29, 2018
brodalokie:


They have already done the testing. The Romans had the most evolved science when Jesus walked the earth and the devil is the author of science and politics. They put him to death and he resurrected. There are prophecies about His return but this time to execute a purging judgement upon all workers of Iniquity. Until then whatever guineapig kind of tests we are facing are just trying periods as believing children and not God. Don't expect God to come down in human form again to be tested by scientists, politicians or even Satan himself. He is coming to claim the earth and then banish sicknesses, hunger and death totally. I hope this helps.

LoL! Now I know you are just trolling. Happy trolling. LMFAO!
Re: Atheist/theists:what Kind Of Evidence Would Convince You That God Exists Or Not? by LordReed(m): 12:03pm On Nov 29, 2018
hahn:


The reality is that it is not even possible under physical laws for them to exist.

First this god needs to be all good and considering all the poo going on in the world it is impossible for an all good god to watch women get raped, kids die of hunger and poverty, families torn apart due to tragedies while it masturbates to the smell of suya.

Like you once said, if there is a god that can create a peaceful world with all the goodies that Allah and Jehovah promise in the afterlife it would have done so already.

So you no go show me love for the weekend ni? Your boy is in need of cash o cheesy grin

I don't think being all good can be a characteristic that will determine a god's existence. For all we know maybe it is a capricious god that's why we have so much pain in this universe. Maybe its not even all powerful or maybe there are more than one and they keep killing themselves off.

My personal favorite is the gods are afraid of our weapons. If gods are still using horses and chariots while men have tanks, submarines and airplanes, maybe the gods are afraid to challenge us for fear we will mow them down in a hail of bullets, shells and missiles. LMFAO!

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Re: Atheist/theists:what Kind Of Evidence Would Convince You That God Exists Or Not? by hahn(m): 12:08pm On Nov 29, 2018
LordReed:


I don't think being all good can be a characteristic that will determine a god's existence. For all we know maybe it is a capricious god that's why we have so much pain in this universe. Maybe its not even all powerful or maybe there are more than one and they keep killing themselves off.

My personal favorite is the gods are afraid of our weapons. If gods are still using horses and chariots while men have tanks, submarines and airplanes, maybe the gods are afraid to challenge us for fear we will mow them down in a hail of bullets, shells and missiles. LMFAO!

Re: Atheist/theists:what Kind Of Evidence Would Convince You That God Exists Or Not? by brodalokie: 1:21pm On Nov 29, 2018
LordReed:


LoL! Now I know you are just trolling. Happy trolling. LMFAO!

This was meant to be a blessing. Won't you love to live in a land where there is no sickness or death? Isn't that a better dream than what you currently have?
Re: Atheist/theists:what Kind Of Evidence Would Convince You That God Exists Or Not? by PastorAIO: 1:33pm On Nov 29, 2018
hahn:


The reality is that it is not even possible under physical laws for them to exist.

He said they were transcendent so by definition they wouldn't be under physical laws. Unless by Transcendent he means they transcend something else other than physical laws.

Frankly I find this thread quite ill defined and nonsensical from its very premise.
Re: Atheist/theists:what Kind Of Evidence Would Convince You That God Exists Or Not? by brodalokie: 1:39pm On Nov 29, 2018
LordReed:


I don't think being all good can be a characteristic that will determine a god's existence. For all we know maybe it is a capricious god that's why we have so much pain in this universe. Maybe its not even all powerful or maybe there are more than one and they keep killing themselves off.

My personal favorite is the gods are afraid of our weapons. If gods are still using horses and chariots while men have tanks, submarines and airplanes, maybe the gods are afraid to challenge us for fear we will mow them down in a hail of bullets, shells and missiles. LMFAO!

Is it not the same weapons we are buying from our foriegn partners and paying them with nature and human resources?
The same people who had introduce the major religious system that dominate today's world?
In the pages of the book we have confirmed that there is only one God who is eternal.
Whatever gods that may seem to exist in the world now are mare humans who are possessing the powers of their corresponding ruling planets in the Zodiac system, popularly know as ancestors. The Christian faith doesn't support this craft because it places every human under the status of children aka mankind. In the coming world all those craft will be completely abolished.
God is not capricious or clearly put, represented by Capricorn.

Add: Jesus from intelligent calculation was born on April which is supposedly Aries, but He is a type of Abel the slained Lamb and not Cain. Count six months behind to November (Scorpion) when John the Baptist was born. Adam whom the ancient Pagans call Janus is pegged to the beginning of the year January aka Capricorn.
Now these are crafts not recognize in raw Christianity. Only people with mixed faith practice it.
Re: Atheist/theists:what Kind Of Evidence Would Convince You That God Exists Or Not? by LordReed(m): 1:56pm On Nov 29, 2018
brodalokie:


This was meant to be a blessing. Won't you love to live in a land where there is no sickness or death? Isn't that a better dream than what you currently have?

Fairytales won't produce such a land, that's for sure.
Re: Atheist/theists:what Kind Of Evidence Would Convince You That God Exists Or Not? by LordReed(m): 2:02pm On Nov 29, 2018
brodalokie:


Is it not the same weapons we are buying from our foriegn partners and paying them with nature and human resources?
The same people who had introduce the major religious system that dominate today's world?
In the pages of the book we have confirmed that there is only one God who is eternal.
Whatever gods that may seem to exist in the world now are mare humans who are possessing the powers of their corresponding ruling planets in the Zodiac system, popularly know as ancestors. The Christian faith doesn't support this craft because it places every human under the status of children aka mankind. In the coming world all those craft will be completely abolished.
God is not capricious or clearly put, represented by Capricorn.

We've confirmed no such thing. If we have it won't be necessary for this thread to ask us what type of evidence of gods we would require. All books that we know of were written by men including the one you claim confirms a god so please produce the evidence that confirms this god.

Meanwhile whether the weapon was built in my backyard or bought from abroad, its efficacy against horses and chariots is not in question, gods on the other hand can produce themselves and allow us to test our weapons against their claims.

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