Would you say it is illogical for God to punish people in eternal fire? If so, are the Jehovah's Witnesses right in their teachings?

Kholiwe:
Would you say it is illogical for God to punish people in eternal fire? If so, are the Jehovah's Witnesses right in their teachings?

Eternal punishment is inconsistent with the concept of an all loving omnibenevolent being.

There's nothing like 'eternal fire'.
Hell has an end. Only God has no beginning and definitely has no end. If hell is eternal, then it would be equal to God

Do you understand? I'll love to make myself more clearer.

Kholiwe:
Would you say it is illogical for God to punish people in eternal fire? If so, are the Jehovah's Witnesses right in their teachings?

The fire is not literal but it is hotter than physical literal fire.

Eternal fire is in eternal separation from God

Kholiwe:
Would you say it is illogical for God to punish people in eternal fire? If so, are the Jehovah's Witnesses right in their teachings?

Welcome to the awakening.

Do you believe that Satan deceived Adam and Eve in the beginning?

If yes, do you know how he was able to succeed in doing that?

If you say by planting doubt in their mind concerning God's goodness on the basis of what God did or did not do, than you are absolutely spot on.

Once Satan can do that to you then his job of deception is already 50% complete.

If you do not want to be deceived by him, you should observe God as perfect regardless of what He does or did not do.

And with that orientation you can go to Him ask Him any questions you have as such as Abraham had done, with respect to the people of Sodom and Gomorrah, and I'm sure that God would be more than willing to oblige you with whatever answers you desire from Him, as He did Abraham.(Gen 18:20-33)

For that's the way to be curious and yet not be deceived.

Kholiwe:
Would you say it is illogical for God to punish people in eternal fire? If so, are the Jehovah's Witnesses right in their teachings?

Hi. I'm a Christian, a committed follower of the Lord Jesus Christ according to the Bible.

It is not illogical that God should do so.

On the one hand, every sin is eternal in nature because sin is treason against an Eternal God. When we sin we challenge God's Authority over creation, pretending that we are as good as He is or better and don't need Him or want Him. That is, if we were able to, we would destroy God and take over His Creation. That is what sin means.

For that reason, it is only just that God should punish sin with an eternal punishment.

On the other hand, every good and perfect gift comes only from God. There is no other source of good thing whether of light, of desirable food and pleasing drink, of delightful music and joyful fellowship etc. Every good thing comes from God. So, when anyone rejects God eternally, they necessarily reject every good thing they can have. In the absence of all that is good, the only things available to the person who has rejected God are bad, unpleasant and undesirable things like darkness, pain, regret, sorrow etc.

Now, it is often argued by atheists, like one of those who responded on your thread here, that God's Love is mutually exclusive with His Justice. And I believe that that is what you are really asking too.

I think the answer is self-evident. Imagine a society where there are no penalties for crimes, where murder and libel and kidnapping and thievery can happen with no consequence. Would you consider it a loving world? Would you want to live in it?

Justice may be an unpleasant thing but only for the wicked. It is those who want to do evil who think that justice is a bad or unloving thing to have. But the poor family whose life savings are taken away by a ruthless gang and whose business is destroyed and possibly whose father has been killed would not think it an unloving thing to have the entire gang executed for their crimes against them.

In the same vein, if God does not punish sin as severely as He has told us all that He will, then we can never know peace in the universe. The severity of the punishment is commensurate to the crime. A little white lie told over the course of a few seconds may seem to us to be inconsequential but that is how it feels to us. In fact, if the lie gets us something we want we may even pretend that it was a good thing to do. But if each person were left to decide the moral values of their actions, then we would live in a chaotic world indeed.

So, the little white lie is only little in so far as God Himself considers it little. Unfortunately, He does not. He happens to know way better than us how much damage exactly each wrong choice causes in the Universe He made. Consider that at the end of Human History, the entire Creation will be destroyed because of all the evil that has been done in it. Then a new one will be made where faithful children of God can live without dealing with a corrupted creation. If sin is not that big of a deal, then why would the creation in which it was committed need destroying?

So, God is the One Who truly knows the enormity of the sins committed. If He says that the just punishment for it all is the Lake of Fire for all eternity, what do we know that we should argue with Him?

However, the Lake of Fire is not the punishment for sin. The Lord Jesus already suffered that punishment for everyone. The Lake of Fire is punishment for unbelief because unbelief is unrepentant rebellion against God. Those who reject Christ or refuse to accept Him actively choose to never be reconciled to God in spite of His incredible magnanimity in paying the price for all the damage that they have done to His Creation. There is no place for such people in God's Eternal Kingdom. What would they want with God? If they are allowed into it, they would only just seek to mess it up like they are doing this world today. So, the Lake of Fire is a place separated from God's Universe where these ones must stay away from God and His Family and His Universe. That is fair to God, to His Family Who suffered so much at the hands of these rebels and to the rebels themselves.

Please let me know if you need me to clarify anything.

Kholiwe:
Would you say it is illogical for God to punish people in eternal fire? If so, are the Jehovah's Witnesses right in their teachings?

For a god described as loving and just, eternal punishment is a ludicrous idea. Maybe the god is a cruel god in reality, in which case there is no guarantee that anybody escapes the hell fire. However it continues to elude us, the proof that any god exists, cruel or otherwise.

LordReed:


For a god described as loving and just, eternal punishment is a ludicrous idea. Maybe the god is a cruel god in reality, in which case there is no guarantee that anybody escapes the hell fire. However it continues to elude us, the proof that any god exists, cruel or otherwise.

That's why the gods are three. The loving one is probably Jesus, the big one is the hell initiator while the spirit one is the hell enforcer. Dude even have a ghost fire to solidify the name tag.

Omo, the hustle for souls is real

John 10:29
29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.

OP, pray to God and do what is right always.

There is nothing like Hell Fire. In medieval ages, Hell was coined from El, meaning God. That implies Hell Fire means God of fire. And the term has been existing long before the Christians coined it out. It is used in the similitude of Abyss, Hades etc.

You are served hot what you deserve here on Earth. Do not have illusive thoughts that you will go to Hell before suffering.

Hell fire is just a result of Scientology by the ancient Christians with the intent to describe the abode of the wicked hence commanding a society of people with upright virtues. It means it was employed as a Moral Police.

You would agree that, the Hell fire in Bible is only applicable to the New Testament believers; because they are the Christians(Christians mean gathering of people who are Christ-Like in nature). Meaning, the Judaism people are not Christians as well as the jews in Old Testament.

That drives clarity into the blurry concept of eternal judgement and the Old Testament Jews who are not Christians. The Bible says those who died in Christ would be awoken. Meaning the old testament Jews are not Christians(they are not Christ like) and hence they are not subjected to the Hellish beliefs but they also had a moral compass, which was the 'Law'. Can you see the pattern of the trends in belief, that there are ethical standards to uphold the principle of right and wrong in every sane society in order to attain a near perfect society

So Jesus is just like any moral teacher with high intellect who has built a decent number of followers(Disciples). So, there is no need to fear about the Hell Fire. Just be virtuous and you MUST believe in the higher power, being Godful. This would ensure you identify yourself with a certain teaching as a moral guide.

Higher powers(Godful) may mean you believe in Science as your God(meaning you would deepen your knowledge in science of creation, integral moral rules guiding science etc). Higher powers may also mean Jesus, Buddha etc. Just belong to a community of interest bigger than you, so you can have sense of accountability as well as diligently following moral rules guiding the community.

Just ensure wherever you find yourself, be enlightened and do not be like me .

The world operates like a mathematical model in which outcomes are precisely determined through known relationships among states and events, without any room for random variation. Hence what you do, you get, is a rule that rarely undergoes the system of variation.

johnydon22:
Eternal punishment is inconsistent with the concept of an all loving omnibenevolent being.

I thought He didn't even exist(?)

Lol these people. No matter how many times you are told that YHWH didn't create Hellfire for Humans you refuse to hear. Well, i understand, it's not the flesh/Humanity running scared, it's the demons who are destined for hell residing in men that gets scared and wants men to see God as evil, it won't change anything.

Anyone who is spiritually dead cannot enter into Heaven even if its gatez were thrown open for him. Children of darkness dwells in darkness, simple.

peteruuu:
There's nothing like 'eternal fire'.
Hell has an end. Only God has no beginning and definitely has no end. If hell is eternal, then it would be equal to God

Do you understand? I'll love to make myself more clearer.

Hell or Hellfire has an end?
I hope you know that Hellfire and Hell are two different places?

Hell otherwise called Hades or the world of the dead or Sheol or The Grave (Not literal) is where all men gather after departing from this earth at death and awaits Judgement day, it is not the same as Hellfire where there's real fire? There is no one in Hellfire yet.

Hellfire is a lake but fire is the water in that lake. this will only be activated after the White Throne Judgment, and it hasn't happened yet. In this lake is where evil men shall die a second death. And Hades shall also be cast in there. Whatever happens here is eternal. Eternal means No End.

So, if you think you'd go to hellfire temporarily, then you must create your own hellfire if you are a child of wrath.

MrPresident1:

The fire is not literal but it is hotter than physical literal fire.
Eternal fire is in eternal separation from God

Yes, And it is Second death.

JoannaSedley:
That's why the gods are three. The loving one is probably Jesus, the big one is the hell initiator while the spirit one is the hell enforcer. Dude even have a ghost fire to solidify the name tag.

You must be a Catholic to think that Gods are three. You'd have to show me from the Bible where it says the Gods are three.

Jesus is Jehova manifested and the Holy Ghost is His Spirit. ONE GOD.

Anas09:

You must be a Catholic to think that Gods are three. You'd have to show me from the Bible where it says the Gods are three.

Jesus is Jehova manifested and the Holy Ghost is His Spirit. ONE GOD.

Can you not differentiate a Christian from pagan. His words are pure atheist in nature.

So no need to insult the mother church

Kamxin:


Can you not differentiate a Christian from pagan. His words are pure atheist in nature.

So no need to insult the mother church

Catholic Church teach Trinity of three persons in One God so anyone who has the concept of three gods has his foundation in Catholicism.

Lol @ Mother Church. More like Mother Harlot.

Anas09:

Catholic Church teach Trinity of three persons in One God so anyone who has the concept of three gods has his foundation in Catholicism.

Lol @ Mother Church. More like Mother Harlot.

The guy ridicled christianity and you are calling him catholic.


Then which one do you believe and who thaught you?

We are mother harlot because we gave birth to a christian like you

Jehovah's Witnesses don't believe in a hell filled with eternal flames.

Kamxin:


The guy ridicled christianity and you are calling him catholic.


Then which one do you believe and who thaught you?

We are mother harlot because we gave birth to a christian like you

No, he didn't ridicule Christianity. He couldn't even if he tried. He ridiculed Catholicism which teaches idolatry.

Anas09:

No, he didn't ridicule Christianity. He couldn't even if he tried. He ridiculed Catholicism which teaches idolatry.

I thought I posed a question to you. Have you answered it? befor looking for people to insult

Kamxin:


I thought I posed a question to you. Have you answered it? befor looking for people to insult

Who are the people i'm insulting? Is your name Catholic?

Which question did you ask?

Dami12345:

Welcome to the awakening.

Yes, awakening into second death. R.I.Ps

rekinomtla:
Jehovah's Witnesses don't believe in a hell filled with eternal flames.

JW does not even believe in the supernal realm. In reality, they are closet atheists.

Anas09:

Who are the people i'm insulting? Is your name Catholic?

Which question did you ask?

There you go again. Try again next time

Anas09:

Yes, awakening into second death. R.I.Ps

Lol.
fear tactics.
Fortunately I've out grown them.

Anas09:

You must be a Catholic to think that Gods are three. You'd have to show me from the Bible where it says the Gods are three.

Jesus is Jehova manifested and the Holy Ghost is His Spirit. ONE GOD.

Jesus will never be the mass muderer or the havoc loving god depicted in your holy book. Naaaa. The dude is a legit guy...talking about peace everywhere, turning water into wine so people will make merry and so on.
I am so wary of the Christian god and his spirit....both are quite destructive, jealous and loves strife and wars.
The tag of being a Catholic is funny. I like them because they knows where all the bodies are buried.

Kamxin:


The guy ridicled christianity and you are calling him catholic.


Then which one do you believe and who thaught you?

We are mother harlot because we gave birth to a christian like you

I am a lady.
Not a pagan. Just indifferent.
The hypocritic posts of some of the Christians here push their confused brethren who are sitting on the fence over the edge like the poster you quoted.

Dami12345:

Lol. fear tactics. Fortunately I've out grown them.

No werris. Just wait for death.

Kholiwe:
Would you say it is illogical for God to punish people in eternal fire? If so, are the Jehovah's Witnesses right in their teachings?

I will reply you based on the religious concept you have in your mind.

Now, know that hell or heaven is in your heart, driven by your thoughts; good or bad, love or hatred, life or death... Provb 4 : 21 - 23.


Enjoy yourself and your blessings from your God, keep your heart pure, stick to the right path and you will be safe.

Every religion have their own ways, that they have programmed, for their members to follow.

Be watchful.

Peace...