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Do You Think On The Principle Of Equality A Man should Hit Back? by johnydon22(m): 11:38am On Dec 23, 2018
So, there is a growing trend today in the world which is an implication of the gender equality argument.

There is an increment on men and women who think that it is ok for a man to hit back a woman who hits him first.

I personally tend to disagree with this "Men shouldn't except on extreme cases that may be regarded as self defence" on my own reasons I will also reveal.

There are also other implications like more men now expect equal contribution from women, equal responsibility, less men still open doors, less still takes on the bill 100%. These to me are rather lighter issues that don't really matter.

But the idea of men retaliating when hit doesn't sit well with me.

What do you think? Do you think it is consistent with the idea of equality for men to hit back when hit by a woman?

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Re: Do You Think On The Principle Of Equality A Man should Hit Back? by CAPSLOCKED: 12:05pm On Dec 23, 2018
IT'S NOT ABOUT EQUALITY OR INEQUALITY, TO ME.
WHO WANTS TO HIT BACK SHOULD HIT BACK. WHO WANTS TO SMILE AND WALK AWAY CAN DO SO. IT'S ALL ABOUT THE INDIVIDUAL'S CHOICE.
BUT WOMEN NEED TO REFRAIN FROM HITTING MEN NO MATTER WHAT. "I'M A WOMAN" SHOULD APPLY BEFORE YOU HIT SOMEBODY PHYSICALLY BUILT AND STRONGER THAN YOU, INSTEAD OF AFTERWARDS.

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Re: Do You Think On The Principle Of Equality A Man should Hit Back? by LordReed(m): 12:34pm On Dec 23, 2018
I think your social conditioning is speaking.

Anyone who starts it has opened themselves for retaliation whether man or woman. If you can't resolve your differences amicably, walk away.

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Re: Do You Think On The Principle Of Equality A Man should Hit Back? by johnydon22(m): 12:47pm On Dec 23, 2018
LordReed:
I think your social conditioning is speaking.

Anyone who starts it has opened themselves for retaliation whether man or woman. If you can't resolve your differences amicably, walk away.
Oh I am a very traditional person. I believe in the equivalence of responsibility that comes with power.

Equality as an isolated term is meaningless. For it to have meaning, it must be describing a specific subject.

When someone says men and women are equal this is meaningless unless we say how.

So, men and women are socially equal.

Physically? No. They are not.

So, I expect more responsibility as regards physicality from men.

Call me old fashioned.

Don't get me wrong, I am not saying it is ok for women to hit men, I am simply saying I expect men to show more restraint on their violent physical interaction with women.

In a way this is not my social conditioning speaking, I have gotten to a cognitive and philosophical stage in life where i have discarded and questioned everything I know, I didn't stop at God.

I was raised to be a gentleman, to not beat a lady no matter what. This is true.

I was raised with the idea that men should protect women that this is a Nobel thing to do.

I was raised like this alright, this doesn't still mean I cannot arrive at this conclusions on an individual judgement basis.
Re: Do You Think On The Principle Of Equality A Man should Hit Back? by johnydon22(m): 12:50pm On Dec 23, 2018
CAPSLOCKED:
IT'S NOT ABOUT EQUALITY OR INEQUALITY, TO ME.
WHO WANTS TO HIT BACK SHOULD HIT BACK. WHO WANTS TO SMILE AND WALK AWAY CAN DO SO. IT'S ALL ABOUT THE INDIVIDUAL'S CHOICE.
BUT WOMEN NEED TO REFRAIN FROM HITTING MEN NO MATTER WHAT. "I'M A WOMAN" SHOULD APPLY BEFORE YOU HIT SOMEBODY PHYSICALLY BUILT AND STRONGER THAN YOU, INSTEAD OF AFTERWARDS.

I agree, but I kind of extend this grace till even after due to the obvious physical disparity of the sexes.
Re: Do You Think On The Principle Of Equality A Man should Hit Back? by LordReed(m): 1:10pm On Dec 23, 2018
johnydon22:
Oh I am a very traditional person. I believe in the equivalence of responsibility that comes with power.

Equality as an isolated term is meaningless. For it to have meaning, it must be describing a specific subject.

When someone says men and women are equal this is meaningless unless we say how.

So, men and women are socially equal.

Physically? No. They are not.

So, I expect more responsibility as regards physicality from men.

Call me old fashioned.

Don't get me wrong, I am not saying it is ok for women to hit men, I am simply saying I expect men to show more restraint on their violent physical interaction with women.

In a way this is not my social conditioning speaking, I have gotten to a cognitive and philosophical stage in life where i have discarded and questioned everything I know, I didn't stop at God.

I was raised to be a gentleman, to not beat a lady no matter what. This is true.

I was raised with the idea that men should protect women that this is a Nobel thing to do.

I was raised like this alright, this doesn't still mean I cannot arrive at this conclusions on an individual judgement basis.

I do not believe men should show more restraint, it is an unnecessary social burden that allows women to believe it is OK to become physically violent because the man is tasked with more restraint. The burden is on both to show/practice restraint. If a woman slaps a man the man still feels pain, if you will be willing to inflict pain why should the other person be more obligated to not retaliate?

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Re: Do You Think On The Principle Of Equality A Man should Hit Back? by vaxx: 1:12pm On Dec 23, 2018
johnydon22:
So, there is a growing trend today in the world which is an implication of the gender equality argument.

There is an increment on men and women who think that it is ok for a man to hit back a woman who hits him first.

I personally tend to disagree with this "Men shouldn't except on extreme cases that may be regarded as self defence" on my own reasons I will also reveal.

There are also other implications like more men now expect equal contribution from women, equal responsibility, less men still open doors, less still takes on the bill 100%. These to me are rather lighter issues that don't really matter.

But the idea of men retaliating when hit doesn't sit well with me.

What do you think? Do you think it is consistent with the idea of equality for men to hit back when hit by a woman?
women and men may rightly be equal as a human, but we aren't identical. and this biological difrrence in us, is very obvious that nothing society can do about it to change it . so with this fact, the gap of inequality will always be there as far as human is concern.

Now to your question, You never initiate a fight. When someone tries to start one. either woman or men, if at all possible you de-escalate or walk away. If you cannot walk (or run) away from the fight, you beat your opponent so thoroughly that they will never come near you again.. that is my own philosophy.

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Re: Do You Think On The Principle Of Equality A Man should Hit Back? by hahn(m): 1:13pm On Dec 23, 2018
johnydon22:


I agree, but I kind of extend this grace till even after due to the obvious physical disparity of the sexes.

As a guy before you hit another guy you go first weigh am to know if you can actually whoop his ass in combat to avoid stories that touch but women don't care how big you are they will still try to jump and slap you and start crying after they receive a hot slap
Re: Do You Think On The Principle Of Equality A Man should Hit Back? by johnydon22(m): 1:17pm On Dec 23, 2018
hahn:


As a guy before you hit another guy you go first weigh am to know if you can actually whoop his has in combat to avoid stories that touch but women don't care how big you are they will still try to jump and slap you and start crying after they receive a hot slap
LOL. Because they operate on the social responsibility expected of men to be the responsible one in the face of conflict with a woman. This social expectation i think is right due to the physical disparity.

I can tank slaps from a woman easily, don't tell me that a woman slapping you exerts the same force as a man your size.
Re: Do You Think On The Principle Of Equality A Man should Hit Back? by andrewjackson1: 1:17pm On Dec 23, 2018
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Re: Do You Think On The Principle Of Equality A Man should Hit Back? by hahn(m): 1:20pm On Dec 23, 2018
johnydon22:
LOL. Because they operate on the social responsibility expected of men to be the responsible one in the face of conflict with a woman. This social expectation i think is right due to the physical disparity.

I can tank slaps from a woman easily, don't tell me that a woman slapping you exerts the same force as a man your size.

So you mean my coach's wife who has won many belts in boxing and is a qualified kick boxing instructor will slap you and you won't feel it?

I laugh in waffi

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Re: Do You Think On The Principle Of Equality A Man should Hit Back? by johnydon22(m): 1:21pm On Dec 23, 2018
vaxx:
women and men may rightly be equal as a human, but we aren't identical. and this biological difrrence in us, is very obvious that nothing society can do about it to change it . so wirh the this fact, the gap of inequality will always be there as far as human is concern.

Now to your question, You never initiate a fight. When someone tries to start one either woman or men, if at all possible you de-escalate or walk away. If you cannot walk (or run) away from the fight, you beat your opponent so thoroughly that they will never come near you again.. that is my own philosophy.

What about the responsibility that comes with greater power?

Take for instance in the case of tragedy or war, women and children are saved first. More 3rd class women survived titanic more than 1st class men.

Because we know that given this objective reality, equality on this ground will be inherently unfair to women because men have far more likelihood of surviving due to their physical advantages, patriarchy as a fundamental concept infantilizes and pampers women.

I believe this makes every difference, men should take a large % of responsibility when dealing with violence from and against women.
Re: Do You Think On The Principle Of Equality A Man should Hit Back? by johnydon22(m): 1:23pm On Dec 23, 2018
hahn:


So you mean my coach's wife who has won many belts in boxing and is a qualified kick boxing instructor will slap you and you won't feel it?

I laugh in waffi
I am not saying you won't, i am saying you won't feel it as much as from a man with similar qualifications. Women have at least 40% less muscle mass than men. Their blows are averagely much much weaker.
Re: Do You Think On The Principle Of Equality A Man should Hit Back? by hahn(m): 1:24pm On Dec 23, 2018
johnydon22:
I am not saying you won't, i am saying you won't feel it as much as from a man with similar qualifications. Women have at least 40% less muscle mass than men. Their blows are averagely much much weaker.

Then they should be encouraged not to hit men. Simple

By the way she will knock you out

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Re: Do You Think On The Principle Of Equality A Man should Hit Back? by johnydon22(m): 1:26pm On Dec 23, 2018
LordReed:


I do not believe men should show more restraint, it is an unnecessary social burden that allows women to believe it is OK to become physically violent because the man is tasked with more restraint. The burden is on both to show/practice restraint. If a woman slaps a man the man still feels pain, if you will be willing to inflict pain why should the other person be more obligated to not retaliate?
What about the realization that men on average could easily take blows from a woman better than a woman can from a man.

I mean, you can knock a girl out cold if you attack her with similar ferocity as you would attack me physically.
Re: Do You Think On The Principle Of Equality A Man should Hit Back? by johnydon22(m): 1:27pm On Dec 23, 2018
hahn:


Then they should be encouraged not to hit men. Simple
Both can be true at the same time.


By the way she will knock you out
Not as easily as she would an average woman.
Re: Do You Think On The Principle Of Equality A Man should Hit Back? by beatmonster: 1:31pm On Dec 23, 2018
if a woman hits you, give her space that moment. They are too emotional beings and they overreact in that state. When she comes to her senses, talk to her never to try what she did again.
Re: Do You Think On The Principle Of Equality A Man should Hit Back? by LordReed(m): 1:32pm On Dec 23, 2018
johnydon22:
What about the realization that men on average could easily take blows from a woman better than a woman can from a man.

I mean, you can knock a girl out cold if you attack her with similar ferocity as you would attack me physically.

There are areas in which a woman has superiority but is still not obligated to show restraint. In the ability to dish out verbal abuse, most people will agree that women are superior but no social obligation is put on them to show restraint, instead everybody brushes it off, "na woman na" we all say. Unnecessary double standard, if you are going to be comfortable inflicting pain by any means then be comfortable to accept retaliation.

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Re: Do You Think On The Principle Of Equality A Man should Hit Back? by LordReed(m): 1:34pm On Dec 23, 2018
beatmonster:
if a woman hits you, give her space that moment. They are too emotional beings and they overreact in that state. When she comes to her senses, talk to her never to try what she did again.

If after a heated exchange a woman decides to hit me she should also accept that my retaliation is an overreaction.

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Re: Do You Think On The Principle Of Equality A Man should Hit Back? by CAPSLOCKED: 1:35pm On Dec 23, 2018
beatmonster:
if a woman hits you, give her space that moment. They are too emotional beings and they overreact in that state. When she comes to her senses, talk to her never to try what she did again.

YOU'LL DO THIS WHEN SHE'S A STRANGER ON THE ATM QUEUE? undecided

BEING EMOTIONAL IS NOT AN EXCUSE IF SHE CANNOT SLAP HER FATHER, OR A SOLDIER LIKE THAT.

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Re: Do You Think On The Principle Of Equality A Man should Hit Back? by hahn(m): 1:35pm On Dec 23, 2018
johnydon22:
Both can be true at the same time.

Not as easily as she would an average woman.

Donate your chin bro. No be by height. You will fall like a mango tree

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Re: Do You Think On The Principle Of Equality A Man should Hit Back? by johnydon22(m): 1:36pm On Dec 23, 2018
LordReed:


There are areas in which a woman has superiority but is still not obligated to show restraint. In the ability to dish out verbal abuse, most people will agree that women are superior but no social obligation is put on them to show restraint, instead everybody brushes it off, "na woman na" we all say. Unnecessary double standard, if you are going to be comfortable inflicting pain by any means then be comfortable to accept retaliation.
As a practice, the society expects more from men in terms of responsibilities than it does from women, this is fundamentally one of the reasons i disagree with the absurd arguments of modern day feminism.

This expectation is correct in my own opinion.

I agree that there are instances where the society should expect more from women but don't, but i do not think this invalidates the necessity of the masculine expectations on this issue.
Re: Do You Think On The Principle Of Equality A Man should Hit Back? by johnydon22(m): 1:36pm On Dec 23, 2018
hahn:


Donate your chin bro. No be by height. You will fall like a mango tree
LOL. Ok oo.
Re: Do You Think On The Principle Of Equality A Man should Hit Back? by vaxx: 1:36pm On Dec 23, 2018
johnydon22:


What about the responsibility that comes with greater power?

Take for instance in the case of tragedy or war, women and children are saved first. More 3rd class women survived titanic more than 1st class men.

Because we know that given this objective reality, equality on this ground will be inherently unfair to women because men have far more likelihood of surviving due to their physical advantages, patriarchy as a fundamental concept infantilizes and pampers women.

I believe this makes every difference, men should take a large % of responsibility when dealing with violence from and against women.
It is not wrong for a man to hit a woman. It is only wrong for a man to physically abuse a woman without cause. And the same applies in reverse.

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Re: Do You Think On The Principle Of Equality A Man should Hit Back? by johnydon22(m): 1:37pm On Dec 23, 2018
LordReed:


If after a heated exchange a woman decides to hit me she should also accept that my retaliation is an overreaction.
Hahaha. You are not a gentleman at all.

But shouldn't you consider that you are likely much stronger and could due to this cause more physical damage to her than she would to you?
Re: Do You Think On The Principle Of Equality A Man should Hit Back? by beatmonster: 1:42pm On Dec 23, 2018
CAPSLOCKED:


YOU'LL DO THIS WHEN SHE'S A STRANGER ON THE ATM QUEUE? undecided

BEING EMOTIONAL IS NOT AN EXCUSE IF SHE CANNOT SLAP HER FATHER, OR A SOLDIER LIKE THAT.

If she is a total stranger then it's a 50:50 decision depending on some factors
Re: Do You Think On The Principle Of Equality A Man should Hit Back? by LordReed(m): 1:44pm On Dec 23, 2018
johnydon22:
Hahaha. You are not a gentleman at all.

But shouldn't you consider that you are likely much stronger and could due to this cause more physical damage to her than she would to you?

I am a gentleman that's why I prefer to settle things without escalation but I pocket my gentility if the other thinks they can cow me by aggression.

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Re: Do You Think On The Principle Of Equality A Man should Hit Back? by hahn(m): 1:55pm On Dec 23, 2018
beatmonster:


If she is a total stranger then it's a 50:50 decision depending on some factors

If it is a stranger is is 100% for me o. I will beat her and her boyfriend and anyone else with her up

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Re: Do You Think On The Principle Of Equality A Man should Hit Back? by beatmonster: 2:06pm On Dec 23, 2018
hahn:


If it is a stranger is is 100% for me o. I will beat her and her boyfriend and anyone else with her up

chai grin grin

your blood dey hot like fire oh
Re: Do You Think On The Principle Of Equality A Man should Hit Back? by johnydon22(m): 2:10pm On Dec 23, 2018
vaxx:
It is not wrong for a man to hit a woman. It is only wrong for a man to physically abuse a woman without cause. And the same applies in reverse.
hahn:


If it is a stranger is is 100% for me o. I will beat her and her boyfriend and anyone else with her up
I can see the verdict is unanimous, which reflects the first sentence on my post.

We are quickly losing the idea of "It is unmanly to hit a woman"
Re: Do You Think On The Principle Of Equality A Man should Hit Back? by Seun(m): 2:20pm On Dec 23, 2018
It is wrong and criminal for women to hit men and vice versa. This is called battery. In my view, the severity of the punishment should depend not on the gender of the offender per se but on the amount of damage done to the other person. So if a woman slaps a man and it barely hurts him, and he responds by smashing her jaw with a knock-out punch, the man's punishment should be much greater. (It is ok for a feminist to recognise and take into account the biological differences between men and women. Men can't make babies. Women are weaker on average)

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Re: Do You Think On The Principle Of Equality A Man should Hit Back? by johnydon22(m): 2:23pm On Dec 23, 2018
Seun:
It is wrong and criminal for women to hit men and vice versa. This is called battery. In my view, the severity of the punishment should depend not on the gender of the offender per se but on the amount of damage done to the other person. So if a woman slaps a man and it barely hurts him, and he responds by smashing her jaw with a knock-out punch, the man's punishment should be much greater. (It is ok for a feminist to recognise and take into account the biological differences between men and women. Men cannot make babies. Women are much weaker on average, etc)

Feminists arguments sometimes blur the difference. Lol.

Anyway, even today in the society women receive far less sentence for the same crime than a man.

So don't you think given the strength disparity, it is far more likely for men to be punished since it is far more likely for them to do the most damage hence the need for more responsibility and restraint on their part?

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