cold:

The truth rests on you studying the bible for yourself.But i guess that would be too tough a task for you considering your mind is already made up.

cold:

The truth rests on you studying the bible for yourself.But i guess that would be too tough a task for you considering your mind is already made up.

mazaje:

Many people do study the bible themselves, and still come out with very different interpretations, so your statement here is moot. . . .

noetic16:

why not ask the author (Holy spirit) to interpret it for you?

Mad_Max:

They have different interpretations. So? Maybe everyone filters stuff, not just the bible, but everything in life, through complicated layers of thought and personal experience. It isn't only the bible people have different perspectives on, depending on who they are. It's not a crime. You aren't a Christian so what is it to you? "Why doesn't God heal amputees? He doesn't heal amputees so He doesn't exist." The World According to Mazaje. Go forth and multiply jor.

They have different interpretations. So? Maybe everyone filters stuff, not just the bible, but everything in life, through complicated layers of thought and personal experience. It isn't only the bible people have different perspectives on, depending on who they are. It's not a crime. You aren't a Christian so what is it to you? "Why doesn't God heal amputees? He doesn't heal amputees so He doesn't exist." The World According to Mazaje. Go forth and multiply jor. Grin

Mad_Max:

Er. Because he's an atheist? That's like someone telling you to ask Allah (about whom you are an atheist) to interprete the bible for you.

mazaje:

Did you read the OP at all? I said many christians i know have very different views and interpretation of the bible, yet they all claim that they get their interpretation from the holy spirit. . . . . . . . .

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Did you read the OP at all? I said many christians i know have very different views and interpretation of the bible, yet they all claim that they get their interpretation from the holy spirit. . . . . . . . .

[b]If I say tha[/b]t "mazaje told me he is a dysfunctional person, who is both a fanatic muslim and an ardent atheist"
. . , A. does the fact that I claim to have heard from mazaje, mean that I actually did?

B. does my allegation change/influence the personality of mazaje? the truth about mzaje?

please be objective. . , the fact that people go about lying in the name of the holy spirit. . does not make God less credible. It only reveals the dishonesty of many.

nopuqeater:

@Noetic16: « #15 on: Today at 06:57:35 PM »The burden is on you. If you did not hear him say it, then you are dishonest man, a cheat, a deceit and a liar. One will wonder what was your object to do so. If you heard from him, then you are correct, even if others assume that you are not. The truth lies in you, if you know it. But certainly, God Knows all truth and Jesus did not know all truth, even among mankind, since he said "The another Comforter will direct you to all truth".

No. But then you may not have known Mazaje's reality.

So the Question still remains unanswered. Maybe because you do not have a single Bible that will satisfy all christians. Have you though about this as the culprit of the confusions?

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@Noetic16: « #15 on: Today at 06:57:35 PM »The burden is on you. If you did not hear him say it, then you are dishonest man, a cheat, a deceit and a liar. One will wonder what was your object to do so. If you heard from him, then you are correct, even if others assume that you are not. The truth lies in you, if you know it. But certainly, God Knows all truth and Jesus did not know all truth, even among mankind, since he said "The another Comforter will direct you to all truth".

thank you.
but why cant you apply the above to the many cheats and fraudsters who lie in the name of the holy spirit?

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No. But then you may not have known Mazaje's reality.
Exactly. . . those who claim to have heard from the holy spirit . , do not know the holy spirit.

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So the Question still remains unanswered. Maybe because you do not have a single Bible that will satisfy all christians. Have you though about this as the culprit of the confusions?

no dude. there is no satisfaction in the bible but the WORD. . . . reading the bible without the guidance of the holy spirit is a fruitless exercise. but reading the word of God with the guidance of the holy spirit bears much fruit.

nopuqeater:


Malaika Jibril is Holy spirit to me (Ruuh Qudus).

nopuqeater:

@Mad Max: « #10 on: Today at 07:24:03 AM »I think the different Bibles have different Holy pirits who inspired differently. But what is so amazing about this is less amazing how the "Holy spirit" inspires or get everyone to come out with different meanings of the same Bible! My inference is this: The Holy Spirit who gets the individual reader to come out with different meaning when he/she reads the bible must be working cross purpose to the Holy spirit who inspired the specific Bible read by the reader. WHAT DO YOU THINK?On a lighter note, how are you Mad Max? How is the family? Long time and I wis you well.

noetic16:

and how is allah related to the bible?

mazaje:

The bible is alleged to be different because the people that interpret ALWAYS allude to the holy spirit as their source of guidance, people that read other books do not la claims of understanding or interpretation to any outside influence at all, its only those that read the bible that allude to an external force. . . . .If the holy spirit is true then why all the various conflicting and contradictory interpretations? Take the YEC and the OEC movement, both sincerely believe that their own interpretations is from the holy spirit and is very right. . . . .Does this not show that the holy spirit is just another non existent construct?. . . . .Me believe that people just self project themselves as the holy spirit and give their own opinions and interpretations all the time. . . . . .

nopuqeater:

@Noetic16: « #17 on: Today at 07:57:08 PM »Point out the fraudster[s] to us. This is your call, your religion.

Malaika Jibril is Holy spirit to me (Ruuh Qudus).

If the Bible is not the WORD OF GOD according to you in above, you being a christian, please sir give me the Name of the Word of God that the Holy Spirit will help me on, since it is not a Bible. Where can I find a copy, since it is not in the hands of the christians who are the holders of the Bibles?

Mad_Max:

We're fine, thank you. How is yours? I trust they are well?

Exactly.

Do you have a thing for recycled argument? Will anything do, as long as you get to sound like a vaguely disgruntled atheist? It's like your own remixed version of The Who song: Meet the Old Discussion, Same as the New Discussion. You've got tons of good stuff. Spill that.
In practice Islam has little in common with Christianity and Judaism. It's something of a huge leap to decide references to a few biblical characters in the Quoran makes of the religion itself a plagiarised thing. It's not. There's much in the Quoran that is fresh and new, and much in ancient Islamic religious thought modern Christian and Judaist thought can't rival. Buddhism has something to say about biblical characters. There are all these complicated religious treatises. By your lights, that must mean modern Buddism is a plagiarised religion as well.    

mazaje:

Every Christian I meet assures me that they are correctly interpreting the bible with the help of the holy spirit, but when I look around I see christians slandering each other constantly , and cannot come to any sort of agreement in their teaching or doctrines, most sects like to remain adamant  and claim that only they are the correct interprets of the bible or revelation. . . . . .So how do you know which christian correctly interprets the bible?

5solas:

Well Mazaje, in MHO, it would be the protestants, to be precise, the reformers (Calvinists). Read articles by the reformers, find out in particular what happened, before, during and immediately after[b] the synod of dordt.[/b]