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Re: How The Teaching Of Paul Differs From The Teaching Of Christ(part 1) by MuttleyLaff: 10:42pm On Jan 02
luvmijeje:
Please I've a low battery but promise to watch it as soon as I charged.

Dantedasz:
No wahala. I am sure you will enjoy it. grin
luvmijeje, dont bother watching it, as you'll not only be draining your battery all over again but on top, this time you'll be wasting it over watching a 5-sec clip of an abject hireling and his partner in crime, who goes by the name Creflo Dollar.

It is a very old Youtube video clip that featured here on the Religion forum more than once many years ago.
Re: How The Teaching Of Paul Differs From The Teaching Of Christ(part 1) by chiedu7: 3:37am On Jan 03
jesusjnr:
Matthew 23:8-11

But be not ye called Rabbi: for one is your Master, even Christ; and all ye are brethren.
And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.
Neither be ye called masters: for one is your Master, even Christ.
But he that is greatest among you shall be your servant.


Brethren = equals

John 15:5

I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.

Branches = equals

Matthew 25:1

Then shall the kingdom of heaven be likened unto ten virgins, which took their lamps, and went forth to meet the bridegroom.

Virgins = equals

Some may be better than others, some may have more than others, some may bear fruit more than others, some may know more than others, some may be older than the others etc., but they are all the same thing, brethren, branches, virgins, with only one Master, Vine, and Bridegroom who is Jesus, any otherwise suggestion is the real heresy in Jesus' the Master's church regardless of the source.

Jesus was called blasphemous in His day and was seen as a heretic to the Pharisees and their blind sheeple, so it's not about being called such names, it's about who is doing the calling, Modern day Pharisees and their blind sheeple.

Luvmijeje, make your Master proud, and I don't mean jesusjnr but Jesus the Master, for I am just a your brother.

Mumu the verse u gave gives heirarchy

Matthew 23:8-11 

But be not ye called Rabbi: for one is your Master, even Christ; and all ye are brethren.
And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.
Neither be ye called masters: for one is your Master, even Christ.
But he that is greatest among you shall be your servant.

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Re: How The Teaching Of Paul Differs From The Teaching Of Christ(part 1) by jesusjnr(m): 5:21am On Jan 03
chiedu7:




Mumu the verse u gave gives heirarchy



Matthew 23:8-11 



But be not ye called Rabbi: for one is your Master, even Christ; and all ye are brethren.

And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.

Neither be ye called masters: for one is your Master, even Christ.

But he that is greatest among you shall be your servant.
"Out of the abundance of the heart, the mouth speaks." (Mt 12:34)

You've shown that there's an abundance of spiritual ignorance and blindness inside of your heart, that it is overflowing through your mouth.

You see, yet you cannot understand, as you don't know that it's because of the worldly mentality of likes of you that Jesus made that particular statement.

I can fully understand the intentions of her heart is the same as that of Jesus here, even though she may not have aptly expressed them. And it is that intention of her heart that i'm therefore following and endorsing on this occasion.

For what Jesus tried to eliminate or prevent here from becoming of His church, is exactly what has become of the church today, where they are no different from the gentiles and those of the world as was aptly conveyed on this occasion:

And He said unto them, The kings of the Gentiles exercise lordship over them; and they that exercise authority upon them are called benefactors. But ye shall not be so: but he that is greatest among you, let him be as the younger; and he that is chief, as he that doth serve. Luke 22:25KJV

Did you hear that instruction "But ye shall not be so" from the Master, you that is not a mumu?

So your spiritual blindness and ignorance is why you can see but yet not understand that that this saying of Jesus "that is greatest among you shall be your servant" was Him actually eliminating the worldly and gentile-like hierarchy as is being practiced by the likes of you of today church, but introducing that of the Kingdom of God to those of His church, where everyone serves and is yet equal, as brethren, branches, servants, sheep, etc. irrespective of such hierarchy.

But I can understand why you don't want to lose the hierarchy type of the gentiles and those of the world of today's church, where those of you who are leading the sheep as being seen as gods, shepherds, masters, lords, fathers, kings, etc.

Because you guys love to exercise authority and dominion over the sheeple, hence anyone that would dare threaten that would become a "mumu" to you.

So i'll proudly be your "mumu" all day long.
Re: How The Teaching Of Paul Differs From The Teaching Of Christ(part 1) by solite3(m): 7:38am On Jan 03
bloodofthelamb:


So on point brother.
Jesusjr and luvmejeje are known for preaching heresies.

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Re: How The Teaching Of Paul Differs From The Teaching Of Christ(part 1) by Agrogbeide: 9:40am On Jan 03
luvmijeje:


I still have 9 more revelations to go. So get ready to collapse. Get ready to faint. Get ready to call me names.

I've already stated that I'm not a religious person. I've never hide that fact.

But despite not being religious again, my first step to where I am today was shaped by religion.

Are you going to forced your revelations down our gullets? If it is of God it will surely stand but if not I know it's dead on arrival. Please hasten these revelations so we can test them by the Spirit of God and also make sure you have peruse through the Scriptures so that your revelations won't contradict what has already been enclosed in it.
Thanks. God bless you.

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Re: How The Teaching Of Paul Differs From The Teaching Of Christ(part 1) by jesusjnr(m): 11:25am On Jan 03
It really feels good being called heretics by the Pharisees 2 and their blind sheeple, for that feels like being in the Master's shoes who was called a heretic and a blasphemer by the Pharisees 1 and their blind sheeple.

Maybe it just remains the blasphemy part for me to become completely fulfilled and I just can't wait.

Please the spiritually blind and ignorant should not make me wait for so long, for i'm getting desperate. cool
Re: How The Teaching Of Paul Differs From The Teaching Of Christ(part 1) by Janosky: 12:00pm On Jan 03
solite3:
are you aware that Christ had about 120 followers but only choose 12 disciples even in the twelve Jesus called three sons of bonerges. So Christ established hierarchy withing his followers even Jesus said his father is greater than him which means even within the trinity there is hierarchy acording to the function.

So, your 3 "Gods" are no longer co- equals?
Oturugbeke !!!!!!!

Your man made invention goes with contradictory versions.
Confused bunch of LIARS !!
Re: How The Teaching Of Paul Differs From The Teaching Of Christ(part 1) by luvmijeje(f): 1:43pm On Jan 03
Agrogbeide:
Are you going to forced your revelations down our gullets? If it is of God it will surely stand but if not I know it's dead on arrival. Please hasten these revelations so we can test them by the Spirit of God and also make sure you have peruse through the Scriptures so that your revelations won't contradict what has already been enclosed in it.
Thanks. God bless you.

I'm not forcing Sir. I'm only sharing.
Re: How The Teaching Of Paul Differs From The Teaching Of Christ(part 1) by luvmijeje(f): 1:48pm On Jan 03
MuttleyLaff:


luvmijeje, dont bother watching it, as you'll not only be draining your battery all over again but on top, this time you'll be wasting it over watching a 5-sec clip of an abject hireling and his partner in crime, who goes by the name Creflo Dollar.

It is a very old Youtube video clip that featured here on the Religion forum more than once many years ago.

Knowing that we don't see eyes to eyes on most things, I will still watch it just to prove whether we are finally going to agree on something.
Re: How The Teaching Of Paul Differs From The Teaching Of Christ(part 1) by luvmijeje(f): 1:58pm On Jan 03
MuttleyLaff:
Jesus had a caucus, and had an inner caucus. Peter, James and John were members of the inner caucus.

We are all equal before God, the same way husband and wife are equal before Him, the same way the human body's parts equal each other
but then the husband is the head, in a similar way, the topmost part of the human body is head, somebody has to take the lead, isnt it.
The whole human body moves forward but it is the foot who takes the first step forward then the whole human body follows, so what's giving luvmijeje headches God's beautiful arrangement.

It was Paul who advised: "Place yourselves under each other's authority out of respect for Christ"
with Peter complimenting with: "Don't be bossy to those people who are in your care, but set an example for them."
Now I dont know why luvmijeje is blaming Paul as being responsible for the sins done and still being done by others


Chillax. Two down, eight more to go. If at the end of unveiling 10 ways on why the teaching of Paul change the narrative of Christ's teaching still prompt you to ask why I'm challenging the teaching of Paul, then I'll look harder into the mirror.
Re: How The Teaching Of Paul Differs From The Teaching Of Christ(part 1) by MuttleyLaff: 2:03pm On Jan 03
luvmijeje:
Knowing that we don't see eyes to eyes on most things, I will still watch it just to prove whether we are finally going to agree on something.
Please feel free to. I promise I won't say, I told you...
Re: How The Teaching Of Paul Differs From The Teaching Of Christ(part 1) by luvmijeje(f): 2:22pm On Jan 03
MuttleyLaff:
Please feel free to. I promise I won't say, I told you...

I watched it and it's the absolute truth. You know I went to the cross over service 2 days ago. For the first time in a year I stepped into the church. The name of the church is Holy Ghost Christian Center. The pastor's name is Amos Fenwa.

Do you know that I didn't wait till 12pm before leaving because of an event that took place.

The Pastor climb the pulpit around 11pm. He said he has a revelation that a member of his church hit someone with a car. So everyone who had a car should come out to the altar. While those who don't sat down. I jejely picked my purse from the chair and went home. Some will not see anything wrong in this but I'll list 5 things that's wrong.

1. The church is now divided into the have and have not.

2. What makes him think those that have car now will still have it before the revelation takes place?

3. What makes him think those that don't have car now will not have it before the revelation takes place.

4. What makes him think that the accident will be cause by a car owner and not by a car or a bus borrower.

5. I was humiliated out of the church because I have no car. A place where I should be see with less judgement has now become a place I'm judge by my level of materiality.
Re: How The Teaching Of Paul Differs From The Teaching Of Christ(part 1) by luvmijeje(f): 2:26pm On Jan 03
jesusjnr:
It really feels good being called heretics by the Pharisees 2 and their blind sheeple, for that feels like being in the Master's shoes who was called a heretic and a blasphemer by the Pharisees 1 and their blind sheeple.

Maybe it just remains the blasphemy part for me to become completely fulfilled and I just can't wait.

Please the spiritually blind and ignorant should not make me wait for so long, for i'm getting desperate. cool

Let me welcome you again to the world of opposition.

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Re: How The Teaching Of Paul Differs From The Teaching Of Christ(part 1) by Agrogbeide: 2:46pm On Jan 03
luvmijeje:


I'm not forcing Sir. I'm only sharing.
No wahala. We are waiting.

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Re: How The Teaching Of Paul Differs From The Teaching Of Christ(part 1) by MuttleyLaff: 2:57pm On Jan 03
luvmijeje:
I watched it and it's the absolute truth. You know I went to the cross over service 2 days ago. For the first time in a year I stepped into the church. The name of the church is Holy Ghost Christian Center. The pastor's name is Amos Fenwa.

Do you know that I didn't wait till 12pm before leaving because of an event that took place.

The Pastor climb the pulpit around 11pm. He said he has a revelation that a member of his church hit someone with a car. So everyone who had a car should come out to the altar. While those who don't sat down. I jejely picked my purse from the chair and went home. Some will not see anything wrong in this but I'll list 5 things that's wrong.

1. The church is now divided into the have and have not.

2. What makes him think those that have car now will still have it before the revelation takes place?

3. What makes him think those that don't have car now will not have it before the revelation takes place.

4. What makes him think that the accident will be cause by a car owner and not by a car or a bus borrower.

5. I was humiliated out of the church because I have no car. A place where I should be see with less judgement has now become a place I'm judge by my level of materiality.
I would have done the same in that or similar circumstances. It is called perfecting the art of psychology and feeding on people's fears, insecurities, being naive and ignorant
Re: How The Teaching Of Paul Differs From The Teaching Of Christ(part 1) by MuttleyLaff: 3:02pm On Jan 03
luvmijeje:
Knowing that we don't see eyes to eyes on most things, I will still watch it just to prove whether we are finally going to agree on something.
There are things we agree on, there are things we both don't accept as being right but I don't see eye to eye with you on the issue of your discrediting Paul. Remember I said, I had the same opinion you had about Paul, but, I thank God, I found the error in my moment of lapse and misunderstanding of the whole issue.

luvmijeje:
Chillax. Two down, eight more to go. If at the end of unveiling 10 ways on why the teaching of Paul change the narrative of Christ's teaching still prompt you to ask why I'm challenging the teaching of Paul, then I'll look harder into the mirror.
You failed miserably the first find fault with Paul's teachings. Yoo would too with the second, third, fourth uop to the tenth
If others turn whatever Paul wrote on its head, what part of it isnt Paul's fault., dont you understand?

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Re: How The Teaching Of Paul Differs From The Teaching Of Christ(part 1) by luvmijeje(f): 3:24pm On Jan 03
MuttleyLaff:
There are things we agree on, there are things we both don't accept as being right but I don't see eye to eye with you on the issue of your discrediting Paul. Remember I said, I had the same opinion you had about Paul, but, I thank God, I found the error in my moment of lapse and misunderstanding of the whole issue.

So far, you have failed miserably in faulting Paul's teachings. If others turn whatever Paul wrote on its head, this is not Paul's fault.

If I place a knife on a table, and you pick it up to use but you cut yourself, is the fault of hurting yourself my fault? Why didn't you use the knife carefully and properly?

After unveiling my 10 revelations, if you still find Paul faultless, I'll look harder into the mirror.
Re: How The Teaching Of Paul Differs From The Teaching Of Christ(part 1) by luvmijeje(f): 3:27pm On Jan 03
MuttleyLaff:
I would have done the same in that or similar circumstances. It is called perfecting the art of psychology and feeding on people's fears, insecurities, being naive and ignorant

Finally. You agree with me on something.
Re: How The Teaching Of Paul Differs From The Teaching Of Christ(part 1) by jesusjnr(m): 3:47pm On Jan 03
luvmijeje:


Let me welcome you again to the world of opposition.
Hi sis! Hope you're good?

You call this opposition? Na this is more like child's kindergarten play to me.

If this was the kind of opposition that I would face, then I would go and sleep because the opposition would be to boring to keep me awake.

Let me not even go into what I call opposition here, so that the children here would not have heart attack!

It's really gonna get hot, just like it was in those days of the first church, because persecution arises because of the Word, and the Word is coming back to the church.

So that's the kind of opposition that we've been prepared for by the Master, that's why His Word is so crucial, because that's what would make us to be so invincible in spite of any kind of opposition, even the gates of hell.

So that is what i'm actually looking forward to.

Yeah!
Re: How The Teaching Of Paul Differs From The Teaching Of Christ(part 1) by Originakalokalo(m): 3:51pm On Jan 03
You are not running away from the church...

You are running away from yourself... You are just looking for excuses to cover your fears...

You want out of religion completely...to seek freedom to do whatever you want... It starts by questioning the word of God.

All these excuses will not save you....

There are good churches out there if you really want to serve God...I go to one.

Your belief is not hinged on anyone or any pastor.

If you believe in Jesus, seek him by yourself.

If you stop in believing in Jesus or God, that doesn't mean that God is not existing. It is just a belive... It still will not give you freedom.

Freedom is not in any belief. It is in Jesus.

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Re: How The Teaching Of Paul Differs From The Teaching Of Christ(part 1) by MuttleyLaff: 4:39pm On Jan 03
luvmijeje:
Finally. You agree with me on something.
It doesn't invalidate that you are wrong and continue to be wrong in all your false accusations of Paul

If I place a knife on a table, and you pick it up to use but you cut yourself, is the fault of hurting yourself my fault? Why didn't you use the knife carefully and properly?

luvmijeje, your second accusation, on your second thread, as I knew it would be, is abysmal and disgracefully pitiful.
Go to your "How The Teaching Of Paul Differs From The Teaching Of Christ (part 2)" thread and you'll see my response to it

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Re: How The Teaching Of Paul Differs From The Teaching Of Christ(part 1) by Michellekabod1(f): 9:04pm On Jan 03
MuttleyLaff:
I do remember I challenged you on on quite a few more other things than your slander against Paul.

The original and first one concerning the disciples training and testing, you havent repeated your false accusations upon being back from your brief hiatus

The subsequent one is where and when you went on a strawman mining and deflection, going on to, mix up the denying the existence of God, with delay of God intervening, mixing up a denial of the existence of God with Christ's assertion cry on the cross of purpose
Delay does not be denial. Just because I am late in turning up for a scheduled, expected or arranged meeting, doesnt equate to I dont or no longer exist, because you havent seen sight of me

You also misunderstood what Jesus uttered on the the cross on Calvary, misinterpreting it that Jesus was deserted by God

I think there is another one but I dont remember what it is but sure can find out what it is, if I scroll through the threads

Now you're coming up with this half thought through "no one came first, second nor third" false bullshit and comparing 1st Corinthians 12 : 28 (Paul's teaching) with Matthew 12 : 46 - 50 (Christ's teaching)

What have you to say about Matthew 19:30, Matthew 20:16 and Mark 10:31? Hmm? Huh?
Those are Jesus' words in white and red talking about first, he overstepped second and third, didnt talk about them but jumped to last.

You see, that's why I always pity the lot and their coveted positions of Pastor, Bishop, Arcbishop or Prophet.
The sheeple carry bible for them, the sheeple are subservient to them or the sheeple are with two knees on the ground, as they step out of their limousines.

Now the thing is, the so called self styled pastors, bishops, arcbishops and/or prophets dont seem to grasp or acknowledge that there is going to be a position reverse, so they enjoy the trappings and bask in the glory of being pastors, bishops, arcbishops and/or prophets.

Another thing, most dont what to know about, is you are not meant to be called or addressed as a Pastor, Bishop, Arcbishop or Prophet but hey, what do I know, someone will say, it's Paul's fault, that the blame rests with him. SMH.

You should cover your face in shame for admitting this:
"Believe it or not when I first told muttleylaff that the teaching of Paul differs from the teaching of Christ, I had no clue how. But in subsequent days I started receiving revelations"

You had no clue, yet you were huffing, puffing and snorting all over the place as if you had. Do you realise how many you've mislead or let go off the rail because of your cluelessness? I could spit on you, if you were near me now. So you hadnt a clue but you were doing gra-gra-gra upon nothing. No wonder, I repeatedly called you olodo upon twenty, there is truth in that afterall. I just knew you're all mouth & noise. SMH

I almost just tire for you, it's people like you, that turn the bible upside down because of misunderstanding and being ill-informed.

I am still waiting for you to dare repeat your false accusation that Luke 9:1-5 wasnt about the disciples being on a training course & getting tested
You speak exactly like victor hafichuk and paul cohen... they were my mentors until i left christianity
Re: How The Teaching Of Paul Differs From The Teaching Of Christ(part 1) by TruthinAction: 9:12pm On Jan 03
Confused op and his likes. Apostle Paul built on the foundation Jesus laid. He did not contradict Jesus, rather, his teachings were revelations received from Jesus himself. Pls, stop posting useless and baseless contradiction between Jesus and Paul. There is no such thing. Jesus laid the foundation, Apostle Paul built on it.

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Re: How The Teaching Of Paul Differs From The Teaching Of Christ(part 1) by Agrogbeide: 9:36am On Jan 04
TruthinAction:
Confused op and his likes. Apostle Paul built on the foundation Jesus laid. He did not contradict Jesus, rather, his teachings were revelations received from Jesus himself. Pls, stop posting useless and baseless contradiction between Jesus and Paul. There is no such thing. Jesus laid the foundation, Apostle Paul built on it.
The thing nor taya you my brother.
Just waiting for these revelations.
Re: How The Teaching Of Paul Differs From The Teaching Of Christ(part 1) by TruthinAction: 5:39pm On Jan 04
Agrogbeide:
The thing nor taya you my brother.
Just waiting for these revelations.

The writing of Apostle Paul revealed so many things that are not contained in any other book not even the gospel. And these revelations were given to him by Jesus.

1. Apostle Paul revealed that we died with Jesus, buried with him and also rose together with him in the mind of divine justice. You do not read such things in any other book.

2. Apostle Paul talked about the mystery of church that were hidden in ages. That the Gentiles should be fellow heirs and partakers of his promise in Christ. Even our Lord Jesus before his crucifixion did not see the church age. He taught his mission was for the Jews only. That was why he told the Canaanite woman that he was sent to the lost sheep of Isreal - Matthew 15:24.

3. Apostle Paul also revealed that when God made the promise to Abraham, he made it to him and his seed. He said that seed is Christ which includes the Church. So, we are the faith seed of Abraham. You don't get such revelations in any other book.

4. Apostle Paul taught us so clearly that the law of Moses has been abolished. You don't get such in any other book.

5. Apostle Paul revealed to us how the rapture will take place. This is not revealed to us in any other book.

6. Apostle Paul revealed to us the future plan God has for the Jews who are currently blind in part. You don't get this in any other book.

I could go on and on. Please, stop posting contradiction between Jesus and Paul. Apostle Paul is a servant of Christ and he taught was his master revealed to him.

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Re: How The Teaching Of Paul Differs From The Teaching Of Christ(part 1) by Agrogbeide: 6:10pm On Jan 04
TruthinAction:


The writing of Apostle Paul revealed so many things that are not contained in any other book not even the gospel. And these revelations were given to him by Jesus.

1. Apostle Paul revealed that we died with Jesus, buried with him and also rose together with him in the mind of divine justice. You do not read such things in any other book.

2. Apostle Paul talked about the mystery of church that were hidden in ages. That the Gentiles should be fellow heirs and partakers of his promise in Christ. Even our Lord Jesus before his crucifixion did not see the church age. He taught his mission was for the Jews only. That was why he told the Canaanite woman that he was sent to the lost sheep of Isreal - Matthew 15:24.

3. Apostle Paul also revealed that when God made the promise to Abraham, he made it to him and his seed. He said that seed is Christ which includes the Church. So, we are the faith seed of Abraham. You don't get such revelations in any other book.

4. Apostle Paul taught us so clearly that the law of Moses has been abolished. You don't get such in any other book.

5. Apostle Paul revealed to us how the rapture will take place. This is not revealed to us in any other book.

6. Apostle Paul revealed to us the future plan God has for the Jews who are currently blind in part. You don't get this in any other book.

I could go on and on. Please, stop posting contradiction between Jesus and Paul. Apostle Paul is a servant of Christ and he taught was his master revealed to him.
You are 100% on point bro. But let me quickly chip this one in, according to point number 2 the Lord Jesus Christ was aware of the Church age because He has not come to condemned but to save the world and that was while He said His gospel which is the gospel of God will be preached all over the world before the last trumpet sound.
Simeon also by the Holy Spirit prophesied about this fact during the dedication of baby Jesus in Luke Chapter 2.
In John chapter 17 Christ Jesus our Lord prayed for the disciples and Jews that has accepted Him and other Jews and Gentiles that have not accepted Him.
He also said that what enters a man does not defiles Him and this was the claim He also use to disprove Peter when he rejected the food presented to him in his trance which when stated clearly is an indication of the fact that both Jews and Gentiles are the CHURCH and one in the Lord Jesus Christ.
God bless you bro. More insight.

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